DUKE the LOST ENGINE (RWS vs T&F) (Spot the Differences)

The Railway Series #25
Thomas & Friends: Granpuff ~ Bulldog ~ You Can't Win ~ Sleeping Beauty

[@mattevans4377]

Duke will always be my favourite engine. He's just so multifaceted. I particularly love how they show his trickster side in You Can't Win.

[@thesudricmerman3318]

Duke the lost engine to me is the best railway series book ever written as well some off the best TV serier episodes ever made

[@samuelfarris1949]

Other comparisons noted: - In the adaptations of 'Granpuff' and 'Bulldog', Rheneas and Duncan can be seen in background cameos, apparently supporting the narrator's claim 'other engines came and went' on the Old Railway. Despite this also being applied in the book's narration, we never see or are told of any engines besides the main trio and the ill-fated No. 2. However, at the same time as he was writing the stories, Wilbert Awdry had created a model layout depicting the old line where, in addition to the characters from the book, he made models of engines referred to only in his private notes, most notably Albert, Jim and Tim. A number of Thomas fans have attempted to expand on these characters. - No. 2's confidential name of Stanley was, although never elaborated, a likely reference to Stanley Baldwin, the UK's Prime Minister in the 1920s, which was the time period Wilbert Awdry set the story of the engine's downfall, as well as the fact that Stanley's type/basis was manufactured by the Baldwin Locomotive Works in the USA. In the TV series the character reused Rheneas's model for budget reasons. - In 'You Can't Win', Falcon is shown to be pulling his train when he parts ways after helping to rescue Duke's passengers. In the adaptation Falcon abruptly changes direction via a screen transition and leaves pushing his train, while Stuart backs onto his own train in front of Duke. In the book Stuart contemplates to himself about Duke's aging condition and that he and Falcon should keep the old engine in check; this note-to-self dialogue was not added to the adaptation. Regards, Samuel Farris.

[@retroflashbackdude]

More comparisons: In Bulldog, the adaptation left out Duke’s theory on why Falcon crashed, which was that he must’ve hit something on the track that he didn’t see as he was too distracted by the view. In You Can’t Win, the adaptation has Duke execute his joke as he and Stuart rounded the mountainside, but the book has him do his joke on the last half mile before the station, which was uphill.

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

For Smudger/Stanley’s derailing, besides being careless, Stanley’s real-life basic (Baldwin class 10-12-D) also didn’t have proper re-gaugements which lend to them derail during the 1st world war. Falcon’s basic had similar issues in its early days on the Talyllyn.

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

Sure Smudger/Stanley had a bad attitude, but it wasn’t his fault that he kept derailing because he wasn’t gauged properly.

[@sirwelcome]

The whole thing about Stanley derailing was because of Wilbert’s own model of Stanley constantly derailing

[@evanclarke5561]

I don't know if Stanley and Smudger got better than what they might've deserved. The manager could've scrapped them instead - would this have been more brutal than taking away their wheels?

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

Engines come and engine go, Grand-puff goes on forever!

[@Abbojnr]

This was perfectly timed since I finished printing off the pieces for a custom 00 gauge engine based on Duke and am getting ready to paint him up,

[@user-cl8xh6bc9y]

This is brilliant! A great celebration of both the books and the TV series. I'm looking forward to the next one 🙂

[@javielalvarez5459]

I’m ready for Tramway Engines!

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

The Mid-Sodor uses the Skarloey line set on TV, as if there was actually an old line to from the Skarloey line to Peel Godred (1 of the MSR terminus)

[@Gamebuilder2000]

I can't believe we're in the Endgame of Wilbert's books already

[@williambarnett8566]

I always felt like this book could have been a finale

[@MarvelMTs]

Awdry intended this book to be the final one in the RWS (or at least the last written by him and not his son Christopher). Unfortunately the publisher persuaded him to do one more so he could finish the series with Thomas involved

[@javielalvarez5459]

The Small Railway Engines appeared in SLOTLT in 2015 which was 21 years later!

[@billybath2140]

Duke is one of my favourite engine

[@heathertiplady]

While Smudger and Stanley (MSR#2) are completely different (i.e., Smudger is a repaint of Rheanas with a different face), I can understand where the team was coming from. After all, there's only so much you can do when you have small budget and creating functioning (albeit troublesome) narrow gauge engine models is no easy task. This is also why I can understand the exclusion of the miniture railway until the series transitioned from physical models to computer animation. Basically, the smaller the model, the more challenging it is to work with, hence the restriction regarding just how small a physical model can be made. However, with CGI there are far fewer size restrictions, which means that issues like jamming siderods and lost screws aren't an issue. Therefore, when combined with a much larger budget, more and smaller characters can be included.

[@thomasfune3383]

Awesome. I enjoy watching this and the previous videos

[@billyjudd3326]

3:13 You forgot to mention Stanley’s brief cameo in The RWS Adaptation Of Bulldog Jeffrey.

[@permvw]

A great video once more, for easily the best book in the Railway series. Thank you soo much once again 👍

[@Stardust_262]

Only 4 more of these left huh? You’re really nearing the end!

[@evanclarke5561]

Here are more differences you missed. In the TVS version of Bulldog when Falcon derails so does Duke. In the RWS version Duke called Falcon a young idiot. This did not happen in the adaptation. In the original version of You Can't Win, Stuart and Duke took Falcon's train to Arlesburgh. In the episode they took it to Crovan's Gate.

[@billyjudd3326]

And in the RWS Version Of You Can’t Win, Caroline makes a brief cameo when Stuart and Falcon help Duke to the station.

[@saltbombcreations8336]

Duke and MSR Stanley would make great additions to the CGI series

[@gavinomeara]

Notice how Duck asks for a story and when Thomas finishes the story duck isn’t present. I didn’t come up with this the unlucky tug did

[@Zacman1123]

I noticed.

[@cavesmudger5509]

It was Toby who asked for a story, Duck just added that it must have a happy ending.

[@javielalvarez5459]

Duck & Edward should have been in Sleeping Beauty!

[@gavinomeara]

@@cavesmudger5509 and Thomas decided to tell it when Duck wasn’t there.

[@mooseygoosey3749]

Literally took this off of twittet

[@mariobabbo3497]

Duke The Lost Engine feels dramatic

[@uncleherb5322]

FINALLY I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VID TO COME

[@Steamenginesunited3456]

Very nice analysis

[@thomasegcouplesandships1956]

IMO, I do think every adaptation is faithful to the original story. But my point is, due to budgetary reasons, some scenes couldn't be exact recreations from the Railway Series.

[@joshuaW5621]

1:00 you can also see Duck and Douglas.

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

What was the real-life event of You can’t win? (That’s the only Duke story on TV not to be told by Thomas)

[@josephmarrison4606]

I have been to The Ffestiniog Railway. Saw one of the engines that looked like Duke they have there.

[@supermariof0521]

Sweet. Did you get to ride on it? :)

[@josephmarrison4606]

@@supermariof0521 No. But I did ride behind one of The Double Farlies, (the one that Mighty Mac was based off of).

[@supermariof0521]

@@josephmarrison4606 Sweet.

[@Hercules658]

well we are nearing the end

[@SuperDavidBrothers]

Nice, is it okay if you eventually talk about the differences between Thomas and the Missing Christmas Tree too please since that story only appeared as a single book and not a separate story with other stories inside little short books?

[@darthknuxward3220]

Same with Thomas and Trevor and Thomas’ Christmas Party

[@SuperDavidBrothers]

@@darthknuxward3220 he already did Thomas's Christmas Party silly but it was Mrs. Kyndley's Christmas instead in the book series.

[@darthknuxward3220]

@@SuperDavidBrothers no? They’re two separate stories. Christmas Party is a sequel and a one off book like Missing Christmas Tree

[@SuperDavidBrothers]

@@darthknuxward3220 you'll have to send me the link to the Christmas Party story man because I've just never once heard of that.

[@darthknuxward3220]

@@SuperDavidBrothers kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnHZ6iXrr5lprM

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

The RWS Sodor history gives the MSR’s biography

[@diamondgold-92productions73]

I love Stanley the no2 engine

[@FitzyCify]

Staurt's coach definitely isn't empty. # ifyouknowyouknow

[@evanclarke5561]

Why didn't Duke tell Falcon and Stuart the sad story of Albert to shut them up? Albert - Falcon's brother - was a rude individual. So rude neither the coaches, trucks, passengers, crews nor other engines liked him. He was never allowed to pull coaches and angered the trucks by banging them all the time. Fed up, there was a time when they held him back because Albert overshot a water tower and the trucks held back, stopping him from reversing. Anyway, Albert wasn't trying either. He was late delivering the slate on this day because he ran out of water and was wheezing pathetically. The manager had a cow and scrapped him that day. His parts were used to keep the other engines including Tim, Jim and Duke working.

[@darkknight5541]

Because none of that is canon to the actual railway series. What you're talking about comes from the Extended Railway Series, which while they are they good stories are not canon to The Railway Series itself. As far as canon goes, all we know for certain is that Albert pulled a passenger train called "The Parliamentary" and was sold to keep the railway afloat.

[@MelindaFN]

FIDDLESTICKS

[@katgore17]

I wonder why in the book Duke was not painted

[@RicardoGaming09]

To pay respect to the MSR

[@jimmymccartney2049]

Series 4(1994-95)

[@katgore17]

This video right now has exactly 25,100 views

[@javielalvarez5459]

Don’t they mean 24 years! Season 4 started in September of 1994

[@thomasfan0114]

Yay

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

I’m glad the narrow gauge engines have different colours in the TV show, because the majority of them being red in the RWS is just boring.

[@Zacman1123]

I agree

[@sirwelcome]

Yeah, it’s so much better to have them be painted different colours and barely appear

[@jockdouglass3824]

@@cnmn1692 having them stand out makes them diverse and individuals

[@ashleydemoss4609]

Can you please do Edward's Exploit?

[@sirwelcome]

He’s already done it

[@jimmymccartney2049]

1970

[@jimmymccartney2049]

1880-1969