Dumbledore VS Gandalf | BATTLE ARENA | Harry Potter vs Lord of the Rings | Secrets of Dumbledore

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It’s time. It’s time that we do this fight justice. We’ve done this fight before and y’all were a little disappointed in the results.
And so I think it's fair that we stop sleeping on Gandalf, show just how powerful he can truly be. And if Dumbledore is gonna win this one again, well show why he truly deserves the victory
Its two old men with great luscious beards and magical powers goin at it! Dumbledore vs Gandalf! Who’s gonna win? Well lets get into it!
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[@ifapollovisitedtajmahal5273]

Dumbledore magic is versatile, but honestly this isn't even a match up. Gandalf just does not let Dumbledore pass.

[@tulkis843]

"Versatile"? *flashy

[@Smile-Zilla]

The real question is can Dumbledore *PASS* Gandalf?

[@pharaohkai1]

😆

[@rokomarkov3077]

YOU SHALL NOT PASS!

[@Fw.Ryan_Gosling]

HE SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!

[@samsilversmile6511]

With ease

[@JayThaDon41632]

Shit im be honest i watched all of the movies this week and he can pass but he cant ride a horse like gandalf bruh always look like he going 80 on a horse while everyone else goin 45 so can he pass if gandalfa blocking yes but can he pass him in a race no

[@yoyomayne]

Gandalf is literally MOUNTAINS more powerful than Dumbledore as he is basically an angelic being who helped sing the world of Tolkien into existence

[@lookeshdas455]

Yo for real?

[@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer]

@@lookeshdas455 yep, Gandalf is a demigod

[@mydad1043]

He helped create the universe through SINGING!!!!

[@KJAD_Radio]

Dumbledore is actually more powerful kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5jZmHiDosp2is0

[@instantheadshot3324]

Man people always use the angel argument. Go do research, the Istaris aren't that powerful, since they're immortals trapped in human mortal forms. So they can be killed like Saruman for example. And talking about feats, in the movies all gandalf can do is summon fire and light. Y'all overhype him just cuz he's angelic or whatever

[@Elysia63]

I asked my dad once if Gandalf and Dumbledore were "cousins". But he said they weren't cousins, they were *COLLEAGUES*

[@edisonlaw934]

Gandalf is an archangel, Dumbledore is just a very old wizard.

[@mahed82]

Fighting 10 days straight. damn

[@Aknight292]

Everything that Dumbledore does is flashier. It's just the nature of magic fights in Harry Potter, a lot of lights, fire, elements, explosions. But when you breakdown what Gandalf does and who he does it against (and think about what they did) it's just not close.

[@lordschnitzel7961]

Oh please. Gandalf stomps. Hey is a Maiar. Basiscally a half God or Arch Angel. Sent by the gods themselves to fight Evil itself. Dumbledore gets obliterated. Anyone who actually thinks that Dumbledore has a chance, has probably never read LOTR or the Silmarilon

[@mydad1043]

^ FAXX

[@Otterdrawings]

Cap dumbledore stomps

[@denizkenger52]

@@Otterdrawings Yeah Dumbledore destroys Gandalf, easily. One avada kedavra and he's dead. His demi god state will only help with unlimited respawn, so he will be killed constantly.

[@denizkenger52]

ive read lotr, silmarillion, hobbit, unfinished tales, children of hurin. Gandalf would die against Dumbledore because he doesnt know Avada Kedavra cannot be blocked or countered, so if he uses his staff to do so, his staff will break as avada kedavra destroys anything in the way. He'd die upon impact. He would keep dying until he figures this out. If youre gonna say this magic wouldnt work on Gandalf, then I could say Gandalf's magic wont work on Dumbledore so for consistence sake, accepting each story's magic is equally efficient against each other as they were in their own stories.

[@jimmyjoyce3554]

@@denizkenger52 gandalf can just instantly destroy dumbledores wand like he did with sarumans staff then dumbledore literally cant do anything

[@xXcashXx3]

Gandalf: YOUR WOND IS BROKEN

[@jasonG72]

*Wand

[@josiahwhite9496]

Yeah, I didn’t realize that Gandalf was an actual Maiar, I thought he was created by them, but also, the problem with this is Gandalf could be capable of the same versatility, after he is a wizard, he just had no need to use it, and so Tolkien never had him use a whole bunch of spells when only a few were what the story was told best with

[@bensalmon2949]

he wasnt really in his grey form but after being reborn by illuvatar he gained the power of them

[@alexreid2365]

Been waiting for this 🔥🔥🔥

[@acheaenmt]

Gandalf was thought and created at the beginning of time and helped create the universe. I don't see Dumbledore doing anything that's close to that

[@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR]

1) Kingsley, Shacklebolt and McGonagall are way more powerful wizards than the 5 deatheaters who fought Dumbledore 2) Voldemort fought the aforementioned 3 wizards to a stalemate only because he was using the Elder Wand, which he was not the real master of, and at that point the Wand didn't let him do anything harmful, the book says that at the very end he hit people with curses and they just jumed right back up unfazed... 3) Dumbledore did try to kill Voldemort and Vold. had to defend himself with a magical shield, he even asks Dumbledore at that moment if went for the kill there + Dumbledore DEFINITELY didn't win that battle, in fact according to the book Voldemort would have even killed him if it wasn't for Fawkes, who had "swallowed" one of Voldemort's rapid deadly curses that Dumbledore couldn't react to in time.

[@beardedpanda5086]

Dumbledore and Gandalf are from completely different worlds. Dumbledore doesn’t hold a candle to Gandalf,whose a Maiar . He’s essentially the level of a Angel or lesser God who doesn’t really die.

[@jeffpeltier6570]

Gandalf is just a shell for basic angle who was around before time was even a thing. In the movies and books, Gandalf is basically fighting with both hands tied behind his back and is so handicapped except when no one is looking like with the balrog when everyone else is gone.

[@derrickjackson5455]

I like how he broke down both wizards and i totally agree on the outcome. Great context.

[@TheBlond49]

Gandalf stomps

[@ingobernoble2678]

I don't think most Harry Potter spells could even hurt Gandalf. Strong characters like Hagred and Dragons in HP can shrug off spells that would severely injure or kill a regular human. Gandalf just in his "Grey" form was strong enough to fight the Balrog and cracked the mountain in half. He'd just walk through HP spells.

[@theguy8474]

What if dumbledore turns him into a goblet? Or Instakill spell?

[@docomega7862]

​@@theguy8474 instakill wouldn't work since it specifically targets the soul and does not actually do physical damage. Gandalf having an immortal soul means he is immune to it. As for turning him into an object, his raw power alone should protect him against such tricks

[@theguy8474]

@@docomega7862 fair enough my knowledge of Gandalf isn’t very high what about the torture curse then. Could just spam that over and over again?

[@ismata3274]

@@theguy8474 forms ainur show themselves in are like clothes to them. As it writes in silmarillion. A form of yavanna was a very tall woman. Another was a veeeeeeery tall tree. Those forms are bodies. Yes, solid forms. But are like wearing a robe for ainur. Imagine aziraphele of good omens s body lend to him, to live among humans on earth. He had to bring it back but accidentally "broke" his "body!?".

[@guesswho5170]

Gandalf is cooler in every regard.

[@wannabeangler]

"Gandalf....the grey?" He will also out live Dumbledor thus giving him the win through longevity.

[@seanmurphy8578]

Book Gandalf literary can just say no to death. He has greater stamina and is a god/angel. The dub is his

[@skywalker2158]

Can they block each other's magic if their magic is two different kinds of magic from different magical instruments.

[@Alice_Haukea]

Comparing Lord of the Rings to Harry Potter is like comparing Star Trek to Star Wars. Lord of the Rings is Dungeons and Dragons in cinematic form. The way monsters and magic works in LotR is much more grounded and quantifiable imo while Harry Potter universe is whatever the plot wants it to be in that moment. I would probably agree that Dumbldore is more versatile, maybe. But Gandalf as well as any lv20 Wizard, would have the sheer power scale advantage. No, what I would wanna see is a D&D Terrasque vs the entire school of Hogwarts. lol

[@stephenblack5425]

When you said D&D, it reminded me of Will Byers 😊

[@sheenamathewsjonesissus2285]

Love your videos and I always leave a like bye

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

Kratos _(GoW)_ vs Dante _(DMC)_ Alduin _(Skyrim)_ vs Slyrak _(Dota)_ Voldemort _(HP)_ vs Imhotep _(The Mummy)_ Death Eaters _(HP)_ vs White Walkers _(GoT)_

[@Aknight292]

Voldemort vs Imhotep intrigues me.

[@Hypocrisyfanboy]

great analysis on Gandalf, Dan has surely improved a lot, everything is correct, except he fought the nine Nazgul as Gandalf the grey.

[@tadantandadan9107]

I think gandalf is basically immortal cause he can just be resurrected if he dies in his mortal form. The fact that dumbledore needs a wand to be an effective duelist makes the fight way more one sided.

[@sigmawolfphilippines1036]

Gandalf helped in the creation of middle earth and Dumbledore is a Headmaster different power levels

[@Scifi4life]

Gandalf actually knows combat too.

[@instantheadshot3324]

Yeah. He carries a sword because he probably runs out of magic. Which is why Dumbledore solos, wand spells dont consume energy

[@docomega7862]

​@@instantheadshot3324 he doesn't run out of magic. Magic in lotr isn't like a rpg with magic points, it is divine miracles. Gandalf is a lesser god / angel, he carries a sword because it is way quicker to slash someone's head off than to conjure lightning to destroy them. And he can also use his sword to perform magic, so there is nothing about him running out of magic. And even if he did, that's like saying that a child with a water gun with infinite water ammo could beat a sniper wgo only has a few bullets simply because he can last longer, forgetting that it only takes one strike to bring him down

[@Coziness101]

​​@@docomega7862 you dont need to argue with instandheadshot, he's saying the same thing in every video about gandalf vs dumbledore, there's like 10 of them telling him the same thing as you do and he's not even bother reading any. Also some one even write a fucking 2 page of fact and he's not even look at it's once and tell them do the same message again.

[@docomega7862]

@@Coziness101 thanks for the heads up

[@surusurustudios4284]

Dumbledore can cast a protection spell, but it will only delay Gandelf.

[@angelvasquez1592]

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[@superioraf9313]

Gandalf definitely stomps a mud hole and walks it dry. I can’t believe I never saw the first vid you made of this but I’m glad I didn’t

[@carloscenteno1766]

Suggestion: Esther Wegereef-Sibelelink (Flikken Rotterdam) vs Trish (Sons of Liberty)

[@kingshadow8782]

Awesome

[@mydad1043]

C'mon,man.How is this even a question?Gandalf is an immortal angelic being that literally took part in singing the song that makes the world. Dumbledore is a mere mortal that knows a few party tricks.

[@denizkenger52]

Gandalf is an immortal angelic being that is known for party tricks, he would get absolutely demolished by the mere mortal known as Albus Dumbledore. Gandalf being immortal just means he can live forever, nothing adding to his power level. Having unlimited respawn if Illuvatar wills it is again not adding to his power, he can come back loads and get defeated loads.

[@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer]

@@denizkenger52 Gandalf wouldn't get demolished by Dumbeldore, Gandalf would teach Dumbeldore how to use spells without a catalyst like a wand or staff Also Gandalf fought against the barlog for days.... Dumbeldore doesn't have that sort of stamina

[@denizkenger52]

@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer wdym, Dumbledore can already do wandless magic.

[@denizkenger52]

@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer doesn’t need that stamina. One avada kedavra would do the job.

[@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer]

@@denizkenger52 he can't cast every offensive spell wandless tho, Gandalf doesn't need his staff for offensive magic

[@kingshadow8782]

Heck Yeah!!!

[@Princewilliamultimatepower6105]

John smith from I am number four vs Eragon

[@carloscenteno1766]

Suggestion: Terry Aramis (3 Musketeers) vs Brooke Baker (Acts of Violence)

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

How is this still a debate, gandalf easily stomps, he's a god, he literally helped sing the universe into creation

[@instantheadshot3324]

Go do research on the Istaris. Stop overhyping him

[@angelacosta5457]

How does "singing the universe into creation" helps you in a duel against someone that can cast death in a second? That's got to be the dumbest argument i have ever read

[@omarscarborough4274]

Captain Atom vs Firestorm

[@thermalserpent4269]

is this a fight or facial hair contest

[@Tristan_00715]

gandalf:your wand is broken

[@carloscenteno1766]

Suggestion: Dana Scully (X-Files) vs Cayce Bridges (Fear)

[@sheenamathewsjonesissus2285]

symbiote scream vs Riot

[@omarscarborough4274]

Mr Terrific vs Dr Doom

[@neonproxyx3982]

how is this even a topic or video, one is a a literal "god like " being that is immortal, if his phisical form is killed he goes to the land of the gods , when he died they sent him back "until his task was done" a literal mayar same rank as sauron in the LOTR universe, another is a old man, powerfull wizard yes but a mortal man. In the movies we dont see much of gandalfs magic power, but in the books and lore they are insane. Gandalf is 24,000 years old i mean jesus.

[@kimbelsimpson7535]

I knew that Gandalf had this fight because he had more impressive feats than Dumbledore and when he survived the fight with the fire demon he went from being Gandolf the Grey to Gandolf the White which made him even more powerful like when a Saiyan gets a Zenkai boost after surviving a hard battle.

[@denizkenger52]

he didnt survive the fight with that fire demon, ie balrog. His physical form died, he was resurrected by Illuvatar. He would have been in the void without Illuvatar. Him and the balrog both went to the void, the balrog is maiar as well.

[@kimbelsimpson7535]

@@denizkenger52 But he came back as Gandalf the White a more powerful version of himself and he was already formidable as Gandalf the Grey and what I liked best about him was he was no stranger to using a sword if it came down to it.

[@instantheadshot3324]

Hell no. Gandalf has 0 feats compared to Dumbledore. In the movies, all gandalf can do is summon fire and light. And u know why he carry a sword around? Because his magic has a "cooldown"

[@kimbelsimpson7535]

@@instantheadshot3324 When's the last time you saw Dumbledore battle a giant fire demon and come back from the dead even more powerful than before? When Dumbledore died he stayed dead and he fell to a sorcerer even weaker than him on top of that where Gandalf held his own against a sorcerer who was more powerful than him at the time before he got a power upgrade.

[@instantheadshot3324]

@@kimbelsimpson7535 Bro do u even watch harry potter. Dumbledore's death was planned. He didnt duel Draco or Snape.

[@carloscenteno1766]

Suggestion: Hannibal Lecter (The Sikence of the Lambs) vs Bodhi (Point Break)

[@austinhathaway182]

Bushmaster at his peak from Luke cage or killmonger once he’s black panther but without the suit.

[@TheV_]

Next final batsuit vs ziran armor

[@carloscenteno1766]

Suggesrion: mackenzie Previn (Adventure Inc.) vs Amalia (Six Bullets)

[@omarscarborough4274]

Hermes vs Quick Silver

[@bananaman8807]

a fight I think would be cool is doing the most powerful forms of all the justice league vs the most powerful forms of the avengers

[@acies239]

So like CAS and Dawnbreaker batman bs Rune King Thor and WBH?

[@carloscenteno1766]

Suggestion: Simon Phoenix (Demolition Man) vs Goku Black (Dragon Ball)

[@carloscenteno1766]

Suggestion: Laine (The Frontier) vs Ilsa Faust (Mission Impossible)

[@omarscarborough4274]

Ares vs Dr Doom

[@atrocitusbane689]

Can you do domino vs black cat or mystique vs silver sabel or phylock vs mystique next please

[@lambert581]

How about Alf vs Alien. Savage He-Man from the Nelflix show vs Wolverine. Predator vs Kraven the Hunter

[@shza622]

Rhino vs elephant

[@darkcabinproductions4575]

Gandalf claps

[@davumorrena4235]

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[@emersoninfinitystone5785]

AHSOKA TANO (Star Wars) VS. GAMORA (Marvel)

[@BenTennyson10494]

Ahsoka

[@omarscarborough4274]

Silver Surfer vs Scarlet Witch

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

Scarlet witch

[@phelmardalida7264]

Anti-Monitor Mobius VS Apocalypse 🙏

[@omarscarborough4274]

Mr Miracle vs Loki

[@omarscarborough4274]

Dr Fate vs Dr Doom

[@jcbarron2783]

Strange be like : hahahahhh

[@legoluke646]

Can you do a Zeus dc vs mcu Thor

[@omarscarborough4274]

Zeus vs Dr Doom

[@BenTennyson10494]

Gandalf stomps Danco WTF is this

[@omarscarborough4274]

Magik vs Clea

[@omarscarborough4274]

Zeus vs Zatana

[@lambert581]

Xena Warrior Princess vs Batman

[@omarscarborough4274]

Namor vs Wonder Man

[@deanasaurs]

LOTR vs Star Wars pls

[@michaelkelley2727]

i would rather see them being friends.

[@omarscarborough4274]

High Father vs Scarlet Witch

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

Wanda

[@sagit9835]

Suggestion: Fenris Wolf (MCU) vs. Warbat (MONSTERVERSE)

[@SSJBlueVegito]

Fenris easily.

[@BenTennyson10494]

fenris

[@SSJBlueVegito]

Fenris scales to Sakarr Hulk who is much stronger than he was after the events of Age of Ultron and The first Avenger’s Movie. A much weaker hulk in the first Avengers movie was able to casually punch a giant Chitari Levithan with ease. Fenris fought a much stronger hulk and was winning until Hulk had to punch Fenris into the abyss.

[@acies239]

Everyone says Gandalf wins bc of his divine nature and his raw power but no one acknowledges the fact that he can be killed by something as simple as an orcs sword. Dumbledore can transmute matter and has shields that can block any spell besides the kc and provide at least some phyical shielding as well. He can also change and redirect spells back at his opponent. Dumbledore is more than a match for creatures like giants and dragons in his own verse. Both of which have very tough skins and high AP. Gandalf's best feat is beating the Balrog and he died in the process. It's an impressive feat don't get me wrong but I can see Dumbledore replicating that feat without dying due to his great versatility and power. I don't see how Gandalf gets close enuff to hurt Dumbledore without being killed himself. Gandalf may have power of a divine nature but what can he do that Dumbledore can't replicate besides coming back from the dead?

[@ceejaydaniel2287]

Better/more combat experience too. That being said I see your point. Been looking for comments on Dumbledores side for another persons perspective on what could be

[@acies239]

@@ceejaydaniel2287 Even elven lords have defeated Balrogs. At one point in time the Balrog were basically just really tuff orcs and Gandalf was able to inflict damage on durinsbane with Glamdring. Some of the winged dragons are far above any Balrog like Smaug who us comparable to dragons from HP. Dumbledore is being slept on here.

[@theguy8474]

I was thinking the same thing bro, like if dumbledore used the killing curse on gandolf isn’t that kinda it for him? (I know this isn’t the thing his character would do but if it was a fight to the death then he has that as an option) if that fails he can just turn gandolf into a cup or something or even use the torture curse. We’ve seen gandolf get rag dolled by Saruman (before his transformation to be fair but it still happened)

[@docomega7862]

​@@acies239 what are you even talking about? Balrogs are corrupted angels, not stronger orcs. And while it is true that elves have matched balrogs, you should really do a little digging on elves of the tolkien universe and you would realize that they are very strong in their own right, being the chosen people of the god of lotr. Yes, dumbledore is versatile, but he is a man. Gandalf simply scales higher to him, and the only reason why it isn't obvious is because tolkien doesn't use flashy power moves like city wide explosions to show people's power

[@acies239]

@Doc Omega I read ab the evolution of Balrogs in the lore. I read ab a lot of stuff before I made this post. Gandolf hasn't shown anything to make believe he can win this fight and he certainly hasn't shown anything that Dumbledore can't replicate. Elves have certain abilities but they aren't gods. Enhanced humans at best. Also seems like having all that divine power is useless if you or can't or don't use it. Too many ways gandolf can defend and attack and not so many ways Gandolf can defend or attack. I mean the guy relies on swords wayyy to often. That speaks volumes in itself.

[@adyingtribunal6034]

They look identical in the thumbnail

[@urielguerrero1632]

An atribute to mention, both are master constructors

[@omarscarborough4274]

Mr Miracle vs Batman

[@larrymenard7626]

IMO, It is more likely that they would end up an old couple together than they would fight to the death. But if they did fight to the death, IMO: Dumbledore ends up bending Gandalf over and driving him to death.

[@youtubesearcher9052]

I think what it comes down to is what dark side said to superman once you are but a man and I am a god

[@grifo3310]

He did this same match 3years ago

[@zaiah9252]

Suggetion: Falcon vs Taskmaster Black Widow(MCU) vs John Wick

[@omarscarborough4274]

Dr Fate vs Dumbledore

[@april-ludgate-karate-dwyer9556]

Dr fate stomps

[@alucardbloodream2013]

Harley vs electra

[@zaiah9252]

Comics: electra 8/10 DCEU vs MCU: Electra at least 6/10

[@ThatGuyz82]

What about when Sauruman was able to bring a storm down onto the mountain range... something Gandalf the White for sure and possibly Gandalf the Grey could have replicated.

[@superjones732]

Do Harry Potter vs Grindelwalt

[@mandolorian162]

Grindewald stomps, Harry doesnt have the same hacks against him

[@omarscarborough4274]

Athena vs Wolverine

[@eddieaalborg1691]

Considering sauron can become a spirit after death and gandalf i just as power full dumbledor can’t even kill him

[@sheenamathewsjonesissus2285]

Top 10 symbiotes

[@alucardbloodream2013]

Tarzan vs shere khan

[@Differentforever.]

Do Gandalf & Dumbaldore vs Dr Strange & Dr Fate . (Must see TV)

[@omarscarborough4274]

Wonder Woman vs Captain Marvel Carol Danvers

[@char_lizard8440]

I'd man, Dumbledore fighting a Balrog ....

[@bromixsr]

Gamdolf, a Maiar is the more powerful of the two, especially when his white status is unlocked. As the Gray, it would be a closer fight... but the demigod still wins. However, Tom Bombadil could stomp them both.

[@omarscarborough4274]

Wonder Man vs Captain Marvel Carol Danvers

[@Tristan_00715]

gandalf isn't exactly an old man his a god or an angel in an old mans body a "maiar"to be exact. his a maiar like SAURON "the dark lord." if gandalf wasn't held back by his old wrinkley mortal form he would be right beside sauron or a touch bellow him in terms of overall power.