Dune - Integrity of the Suit

Integrity of the Suit

[@stevens9625]

Imagine being regarded as the Chosen One because you happen to put on your Nike sneaker the right way.

[@Embattled5211]

"Who taught you to double-knot these shoes?"

[@rayray6490]

@@Embattled5211 “as it was taught by my ancestors long before me”

[@jagaloon216]

r/woosh. That's not what Paul has done at all. He has fitted the shoes in such a way the pumping motion of his feet aid in the suits operation. Something that quite obviously requires specific knowledge. Jagaloon.

[@electrohalo8798]

@Eroshap98 He who controls the drip, controls the universe

[@martiedoherty5765]

Bit more than shoe know-how made them begin to believe. But then you need to know how to read a book to know why.😉

[@azmiraclegirl441]

Imagine having drip being a prerequisite for being a savior lmao

[@JoshSweetvale]

Stillsuits deal with having the drip.

[@ridergilwin1494]

THE D R I P MUST F L O W

[@VNG_oof]

“You wear socks with your Gucci flip flops, who taught you that?” “I don’t know, it just felt right.” *messiah status acquired*

[@leeboy26]

"You wear socks with sandals. Who taught you to do that, Carpenter from Nazareth?" "I don't know, it just seemed the right way" "I've decided you are the Messiah."

[@Raquya]

Knowing how to wear drip would be more accurate.

[@potaterjim]

"Holy shit this kid knows how to wear boots"

[@smyers820gm]

He will know how to wear boots without ever wearing them before! 😂

[@lightworker2956]

Agree that's a little silly. If I recall correctly, in the books it's presented as "holy shit, this kid put on a still suit correctly."

[@davidwilliams3659]

@@lightworker2956 no in the books the prophecy says he will know your ways as if born to them i think

[@kurtisburtis]

I guess no one understands synecdoche any more …

[@StealthyTNT]

@@lightworker2956 Yep! There's a whole internal dialogue of Paul figuring out how to wear a still suit properly by himself without any help, and Kynes is shown scanning over him quickly in astonishment. It's clear what Kynes is thinking (in the book), but the only thing she audibly mentions are the boots.

[@Spudtron98]

Knowing that these suits were made by the Fremen immediately illustrated that they were more than mere desert nomads. They have industry lurking somewhere below the surface, and technological prowess enough to construct advanced environmental suits. The Harkonnens did not appreciate this fact, and thought them to be simple savages.

[@Kncperseus]

Every culture has industry. No matter how primitive. All that matters is resource and knowledge.

[@julieenslow5915]

@Dank Waifu Industry has more than one meaning. Handmade objects are not thought to be industrial but they are an activity to produce something needed which is another definition of industry.

[@mcdldlgf6652]

@Dank Waifu Except Haiti, Omegalul

[@x808drifter]

@@fatdaddync The Fremen aren't the only ones who make the suits. A bunch of people do. The Fremen ones are just better than the others.

[@cyb-m]

This movie and Avatar .. they all have the common theme of telling the colonization story of the white-man trying to loot a foreign land and kill the natives, always considering them as savages, without trying to understand the native culture and civilization. This is exactly what the European treated the natives in India or Australia or Americas or Africa.

[@christianjack630]

This is one of the scenes that makes Paul so likeable. He's got this kinda wayward understanding that is fueled by genuine curiosity and he comes off so innocent. Great movie

[@Alvan81]

Chalumet did a great job! I also liked that on several occasions, he is the only one who drips the politics and says/confirms the truth of the situation.

[@countOfHenneberg]

I'd wish he'd use the line from the book, "The gift is the blessing of the giver."

[@stepanserdyuk4589]

@@countOfHenneberg I'd wish this line was spoken by Baron when discussing the "gift" of Arrakis to the Duke. Sarcastically, of course.

[@99Plastics]

Guy has the acting range of a wooden door.

[@ReMattch]

Making Paul's arc all the more sadder when you see his innocence :(

[@alexanderzippel8809]

Gotta love these 2 guards, standing in dark clothes in the sun, with a cool shadow 2 meters away

[@NewPaulActs17]

i'm getting star wars imperial vibes... then again, dune predates star wars by a decade. did george read dune when first published?

[@MinhNguyen-br3ij]

@@NewPaulActs17 star war was based on dune novels, you can look it up

[@maerosss]

Them suits be reaaaal comfy.

[@televized1781]

@@MinhNguyen-br3ij Warhammer 40k, Battletech(mechwarrior) a lot of sci fi takes hints from dune

[@RhodokTribesman]

@@MinhNguyen-br3ij Star wars fashion, wasn't, however. The Empire was very obviously modeled after Nazi Germany in their dress.

[@philipdillon83]

I love the ladder of command. The soldiers/guards follow Gurney Halleck's example. Gurney follows the duke and puts his knife down, but the soldiers wait until Gurney lower's his guard to lower theirs, instead of immediately on the duke's command.

[@RockSmithStudio]

Reminds me of a deleted scene in Gladiator where Commodus tells Quintus that a general is always in control, always in command. Strong empires work when soldiers respect/obey their superior because they understand that their superior also respects/obeys their respective superior

[@philipdillon83]

@@RockSmithStudio Or in the final duel when the guard ignore the emperor and sheath their swords when ordered to by Quintus.

[@davevd9944]

A monarch is only in power because the army says it is. When it comes down to it the strongest/most influential commander can take power. You see this in..less developed places on our planet.

[@GraemeGunn]

yup, that's how militaries work also, it's called the "chain" of command

[@NimbleJack3]

Watch again - all three knives come down at the same time, though Gurney's action is shown twice and lightly obscured the second time so it appears as if the third knife was delayed. You can clearly see each soldier lower their knives along with Gurney right after the Duke's command, rather than waiting until after Gurney starts to lower his.

[@ApostolosR]

I’m obsessed with this film and I can’t wait for the 2nd to come, the music fits the theme and the acting is nothing short of incredible.

[@BramMichaelson]

Watch the original .. then read the book. There is so much that is lost in the transition from the book to the movie. When Herbert first published DUNE.. he was accused of creating the foundations of a RELIGION... I can see the truth of it.

[@J17legacy]

@@BramMichaelson If they actually put everything in from the book, it would weird people out and blown their freaking mind. lol

[@BramMichaelson]

@@J17legacy AB-SO-FUCKING-LUTE-LY LOL

[@dieterdietert7232]

@@J17legacy some things just shouldnt be put on screen. And the absolute horror in that books is one example of it. Such as: Erasmus' experiments. The organ farms of the Tlulaxca. The slaying of Billions of slaves. XD

[@merky6004]

I do miss some things from the book. The “dinner” scene for one. That said, I look forward to the sequel. Just read that actress Florence Pugh, she played Black widow’s sister, will probably be Princess Irulan Corrino.

[@betterrobots]

i dont know what i did to deserve this film in my life, but i am so glad i did it.

[@apollion888]

seeing the dialog from the book brought to life is a thrill to be sure

[@elih9700]

@@apollion888 Brought emotion and almost a tear.

[@SeeJay804]

A bit sad for all the Dune fans who never got the chance to see this film. Sad for all of us who might not get to see the second part, either.

[@elih9700]

@@SeeJay804 On October 26, came official confirmation from Legendary Entertainment and Warner Bros. that “Dune: Part Two” was officially a go. As Villeneuve himself announced in a statement: “I just received news from Legendary that we are officially moving forward with 'Dune: Part Two.

[@danderby9270]

My Dad is 79 y/o and Dune is his favorite book of ALL time. To say Lynch's version wasn't up to his expectations is an understatement (fun and campy but not true DUNE). I feel so blessed that I was able to take him to the theater (I rented a cheap screening for just the two of us) and watch this masterpiece together. Halfway through the film, he looked over to me with a giant grin and said "this is so good". It is a moment I'll always cherish and never forget. Can't wait for Part 2

[@biekgiek]

One of the unwritten details is the lack of Dr. Keynes flinch. As a Fremen, she was already more deadly than most of Atriedies’ warriors. She understood the defense action of Gurney and the guard, instinctively, while at the same realizing her dropping of protocol and instinctual comfort with the Duke. It is a precursor detail to her acceptance of the Atriedies.

[@elmodiddly]

Yet you spelled Dr Kynes name wrong, "Atreides" is also spelled wrong and you forgot to mention that the character is supposed to be a man!

[@biekgiek]

@@elmodiddly Pedantic points taken

[@maxgoldfield7790]

@@elmodiddly "Yet you spelled Dr Kynes name wrong, "Atreides" is also spelled wrong and you forgot to mention that the character is supposed to be a man!" No one particularly cares of over such trifles.

[@xnyxiee1784]

@@elmodiddly Nobody cares.

[@Sgtassburgler]

@@biekgiek Just as pedantic as someone not flinching.

[@AllaMortify]

Interesting the different vibe she gives Kynes compared to Max Von Sydow in Lynch's movie. Von Sydow's somewhat stiff and proper Kynes very much initially makes you aware that he is an employee of the Emperor, making you not sure whether to trust him, something the Atreides feel. Duncan-Brewster's performance is much more relaxed in a way that makes it apparent that she has become more fremen than Imperial even before you learn much more about her. Again, you're not sure whether to trust her, but for different reasons.

[@Argumemnon]

Interesting analysis. And what of the 2000 version?

[@AllaMortify]

@@Argumemnon Similar to Von Sydow, though arguably even more crisp. You could imagine him at as Royal courtier in an 18th century monarchy. It's the worst of the three versions, as you find it hard to imagine him fitting in with the Fremen, where the other two are more believable as someone gone native and one equally adept in both worlds.

[@snakeplissken1933]

She is not bad at all but I still prefer Von Sydow over her. In some scenes she looks like forcing herself, not fully blending into the character.

[@johnpauljones9310]

@@snakeplissken1933 Compared to Max, she blows. But then almost any other actor would also blow. Lynch's Dune had many, many problems but when it came to casting, the actors were far better. Oscar Isaac doesn't have 1/10th the presence of Jürgen Prochnow either.

[@xhagast]

@@johnpauljones9310 Absolutely. You can say that all other Dunes had better effects, but the actors were far better in Lynch's. I am also unimpressed by the showmanship. It feels...hollow. When the Guild approached the Emperor in this one it was a joke compared with Lynch's.

[@TehCrushinatorz]

Someone who says "with your permission", just goes straight for them.

[@CaptainSeato]

I missed that, distracted by her pronounced lisp. Especially since the actress herself does not naturally speak with one.

[@maxwellharcey1581]

*Ding*

[@aaronmichaelwilkie9593]

Cool story, incel.🙄🤡

[@RhantheSlayer]

@𝓐𝓝𝓑 V𝖎𝖈𝖙𝖔𝖗-M. D-P. R𝖍𝖆𝖊𝖋𝖓𝖍𝖞𝖗𝖘𝖙 not cool mate, that's not right

[@ethantift3783]

@𝓐𝓝𝓑 V𝖎𝖈𝖙𝖔𝖗-M. D-P. R𝖍𝖆𝖊𝖋𝖓𝖍𝖞𝖗𝖘𝖙 this poor mf gets no pussy... praying for you bro

[@KS-xk2so]

What I love about this is you can read it in such different ways. Maybe he is The One and just innately knows their ways.... or maybe he's had some many visions of Fremen in stillsuits at this point, that he just subconsciously picked up how they wear their stillsuits and copied it. Dune's take on the falsity of prophecy is fascinating.

[@machdude3366]

It's not really a fake prophet, but instilled propaganda. The Bene Gesserit already know the context of their power and what the end goal is. They built the religion of the Fremen on the existence of a savior that is literally the KH. Paul played into it well because his powers would have already preempted him to going to Arrakis and given him tools needed to survive. The Fremen on the other side have been conditioned on generations to believe that what he sees and represents is their salvation. The ambiguity is in whether or not he his role was that of a savior or a destroyer. Not even the Bene Gesserit knew much of the golden path and even Paul was shaken at the notion that this wasn't just a future, but an inevitability.

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

And what about real life? We always hear things about false prophecy but what about what prophecy has come to truth? Knowledge or without knowledge

[@nikhilajith8880]

It's not a false prophecy if it actually happens 😂

[@sainsburyshopper]

Watched it last night. Just a really, really well shot, directed and acted movie. Didn’t feel like two and a half hours at all.

[@highrankdemon]

The fuck it didn’t nigga that shit was wack af barely got 15 minutes into that before checking how much was left

[@mikaelmike6006]

The batman should take notes

[@Shamino1]

It felt like four hours to me. I was cashed out shortly before the betrayal. Really stilted dialogue and super clunky. Felt more like I was watching a fever dream of someone who recently read Dune but forgot to dream about any of the characters and only dreamed of the location shots.

[@ledf2012]

very very immersive

[@s70driver2005]

More than anything I personally think the story is so true to the source material. Everything else is a bonus.

[@devorascott3669]

I love how the handful of unprepared and under equipped fighters on the stairs still tore through the harks until they were flanked. Shows how well they were trained.

[@razorburn645]

It really shows that the Harkonnen attack would have been a disaster without a few battalions (legions in the book) of Sardaukar. It was needed since the Harkonnen quality was so low. I remember the Baron being concerned that if the Sardaukar turned on them, they would lose despite having numbers on their side.

[@machdude3366]

@@razorburn645 The Harkonnens weren't bad, but man for man, they weren't a match for the Atreides. At the time of the first book, the Atreides were becoming a very threatening fighting force and their prowess was said to be comparable to the Sardaukar at the time. As a result, the Harkonnens were not going to do very well to begin with and it would not have given the Baron a return on investment. His decision to pay for the entire army's transportation and the recruitment of the Sardaukar was one born out of pragmatism; he was leaving nothing to chance and knew that as good as the Atreides were, outnumbering them with Sardaukar all but guaranteed their victory. The thing about the baron was that he placed faith in the wrong people as he sorely underestimated just how ridiculous the Fremen were once they coordinated.

[@razorburn645]

@@machdude3366 He also disregarded the opinions of the Sardaukar. You know the ones that focus on strategy and fighting.

[@nemanjamanutd]

@@machdude3366 thats usually how it goes , I forgot the original quote but it goes something like " you dont lose to the unknown but you lose to the things you thought you knew" . My point is that most people fail because they underestimate something/someone

[@omnipotentpumpkin9755]

The level of detail in this scene alone is incredible

[@thebighurt2495]

You can already see how much Duke Leto was trying to work with the Fremen. He didn't get all prissy with her. He politely allowed this woman into stabbing range and allowed her to do what she needed. He even complimented the Fremen tech instead of deriding it.

[@DaveDexterMusic]

I feel like, if you gave fifty people stillsuits, a good quarter would wear their boots slip-fashion by accident and another quarter would feel like it was the right way.

[@LabTech41]

That's sort of the point of the over-arching subplot of the story: the Bene Gesserit seeded legends into various cultures around the Imperium, so that they'd be so ingrained in the race memory that they wouldn't be questioned when the time came to use them later. Kynes is possibly one of the most educated and aware members of the Fremen, and even she/he took this 'sign' as a possible omen. The beauty of the 'sign' is that it can equally be accepted or dismissed to the advantage of the messiah-archetype user. If Paul wears his suit the right way, it lends credence to the growing mystique surrounding him; if Paul doesn't understand that Jamis' challenge is to the death, it's dismissed with a gesture. It's like the soft-reading of a charlatan psychic: so long as you make your predictions unfalsifiably vague, most people who've been primed to believe the myth will accept it, or at the very least won't aggressively reject it.

[@DevSolar]

But it is not just the boots. It's that his stillsuit does not need the slightest adjustment; the boots were just the only thing addressed in dialog.

[@squamish4244]

@@DevSolar I though it meant Paul subconsciously foresaw how to do it.

[@arealperson641]

it is indeed the worst part of dune, rejecting the null hypothesis without proper statistical comparison

[@giovannifontanetto9604]

@@LabTech41 heresy against the messiah

[@francisdavis1271]

While I enjoyed this reimagining of Dune I am greatly pleased that the young actor makes me think of Frank Herbert's Paul. He was small for his age. Only 15 years. Quiet and controlled, unlike the moody character in the Sci Fi channel version. But Paul loved his mentors; they were friends; so he regards them well.

[@sephelutis]

Must be weird for Stilgar to basically mentor their culture’s mythical god twice

[@Neolithika]

I cannot wait for the second part of this. I hope they do at least the second book as well. I would love to see the third done, but that might be a bit too much of an undertaking.

[@stevedixon921]

The third book gets a bit 'weird' too if I recall (or perhaps just theological?). I did read the books over 30 years ago, I may be thinking of book 4 or 5.

[@pl_caravan4679]

@@stevedixon921 it get's a bit weird, but it's nothing compared to later books, you're right. don't think the third book would make a good movie at all. second one i think would.

[@onbored9627]

@@pl_caravan4679 Yes, the mini series was wonderful. Children of Dune

[@VideoMask93]

@@KnightandDay33 I've heard that making this a trilogy of Dune Pt 1, Dune Pt 2, and Dune Messiah is Villeneuve's current plan.

[@fulopmeszaros5330]

I might be confused, but the second movie is still the first book, since the first movie didnt even cover half of the first book

[@jakeg3733]

It's interesting watching Kynes fight with herself. She is a trained scientist, and an imperial officer, but at the same time Fremen and wants to believe in this prophecy. One moment she'll be closed off and defensive, the next it's like she's almost ready to take the Atreides side

[@bondrewdthenovel3598]

Fun fact: The stillsuit is so efficient that it even recycles your shit and pee.

[@WE_WUZ]

What would matter most is how it recycles..cum. If I blow a load, which I often do, how would the stillsuit handle such a matter? Cumwater is the ultimate test

[@hallowen]

And as a result you smell absolutely horrible when you take it off :D

[@xAdam2gx]

Theres no way it would recycle some of the shits ive done in the past few days

[@whiteknightcat]

And it would seem some of that description was left out of this movie's dialog, unlike the 1984 version.

[@KBTW1]

Processed in the thighpads of the suit, from what I hear.

[@kebabsaurusrex1601]

What I liked in the Lynch version was the Fremen in the background (behind Max Von Sydow) getting ready to fight when the Atreides pull weapons when Kynes touches the Duke.

[@alittlecreepywhenyou]

That scene gave me chills. What a movie. Such a wonderful interpretation by Mr Villeneuve.

[@easternlights3155]

I must admit, I wasn't originally a fan of the gender swap, but I grew to love this version of Liet. The actress managed to convey Liet's entire arc (going from absolutely despising Leto for being an invader on Arrakis to genuinely liking him and regretting that his part in the Atreides' downfall) in mostly just facial expressions, something that is incredibly hard to do, since in the book, the character had paragraphs upon paragraphs of internal monologue to explain his feelings. She absolutely nailed the role, imo

[@johnharrison6745]

Nope.

[@WhoopityDoo]

@@johnharrison6745 Great counterpoint there, nimrod.

[@HarrDarr]

Liet was one of the characters that was completely mishandled in an otherwise very good adaptation of the book.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

​@@HarrDarr Could you elaborate? My only issue was having her notice Leto's true character in the thopter, but their next scene has her seem to regress to their relationship prior to the flight. It's fine really tho, she's talking about different things to him there than she was thinking to herself while observing him.

[@HarrDarr]

​@@pseudonymousbeing987 well the movie portrayal is not at all similar to the book character, the character doesn't solely exist to be a simple plot device to essentially hint that Paul is KH. The Fremen were barely portrayed in the first film, so all the political setup is completely lost and Kynes plays a key role in that.

[@collina5673]

Not sure if many fans of the book caught the error in the movie when they addressed Dr. Kynes as “Liet Kynes”. For the first half of the book the Atriedes were trying to figure out who the mysterious Fremen leader known was “Liet” was only for Paul to find out that Liet and Kynes were the same person. Introducing Dr Kynes as “Liet Kynes” kind of takes the wind out of the sails of the reveal.

[@bukszpryt_]

Also him being the father of chani is somewhat screwed here.

[@hardgay7537]

But does it ruin the John the Baptist to Paul's Jesus angle the book was going for?

[@carlossantillan559]

This woman looks as if she can't open a prickle jar.

[@sammiller6631]

@@carlossantillan559 Patrick Stewart doesn't look strong either but they still cast him as Gurney Halleck.

[@carlossantillan559]

@@sammiller6631 "What's wrong with Gurney? He isn't making this..."

[@RBoyle-fn5hh]

The interaction between Paul and Liet-Kynes is just...remarkable...all understatement and powerful for that. When Kynes mutters, under her breath, a line from the prophecy...I get chills, and then the camera shot pans to Paul, who silently takes it all in (did he understand the Fremen language enough to get what Liet said?).

[@dragonfire4869]

The fact that we get subtitles shows us that yes, he does instinctively understand and even recognise the language as fremen.

[@tomservo5347]

My favorite part in the book is when Liet Kynes at the Atreides banquet table asks the banker "Are you insulting me?".

[@pyroromancer]

this actress appears in many movies as minor characters with only 1 or 2 lines over the last decade. Im glad to see her progressing

[@jamallabarge2665]

She has a definite professional no nonsense presence about her. She'd make a great Jane Bond or some other spy.

[@perenniallachrymosity276]

Hilariously enough, she was one of the senators in Rogue one and one of her fellow senators was played by Fares Fares. The man who went on to play Bacho in Chernobyl. Another seasoned character who crosses paths with a youngster (also portrayed by a rising star, Barry Keoghan), introducing them to new territory in their lives. Both great performers playing the hell out of such minor roles (while delivering some great lines). Super cool. 👍

[@OptimusWombat]

@@jamallabarge2665 you mean "no nonsense"?

[@jamallabarge2665]

@@OptimusWombat Yeah, thanks.

[@Bergen98]

When you read the book, you always get that sense of imminent danger from ANYTHING. The most powerful, richest people of the Galaxy are always in fear, they are never truly free from the constant fear of poisons, assassins, hunter-seekers, and invasion by another house. Even something like shaking a hand or checking that the costume is safe makes the bodyguards of the Duke extremely anxious.

[@FeydTheRonin]

Always impressed when Hollywood continues to ensure people believe that little "shing" sound occurs when people draw or sheathe knives and swords lol...

[@dejomonylemon956]

This kid put his boots on perfectly! He must be the chosen one!

[@Edi_J]

There is 235 ways of fitting the boots, and he chose the correct one...

[@doobadood]

He is the Messiah!

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

He chose the one technique which would mechanically batterise the rest of the suit, as he walked. Out of a _lot_ of possible ways of fitting them. Given that Keynes was already a true believer, superstition-wise, -him- her getting a little bit of a shiver out of that makes perfect narrative sense.

[@jefftheriault5522]

In the book, it's more than just the boots. He has all the subtle points down pat. He was as ready for the desert as any Fremen.

[@toddkes5890]

I wonder if fitting the boots slip-fashion causes the wearer to make extra effort while wearing it? So the Duke fitted his stillsuit for comfort and ease of movement, while Paul fitted his suit for survival. Paul's reference to it seeming the right way meant he did this unconsciously. For example if the walking provides the pumping action, then setting the boots to slip fashion could maximize the pumping action while making each step require more effort. If the pumping action is necessary (i.e. in the desert), then setting them to slip-fashion would be necessary. Sietch Fremen would likely keep their boots slip-fashion because if they are in a milder environment then the extra effort while walking is not an issue, while if they are in the desert they are already prepared. Village Fremen might shift between the two as they have more access to a milder environment due to living in a village.

[@incognito_incognito]

"Boy's kicks drip like a broken faucet." - Imperial Ecologist

[@Leidern]

Interesting concept though. A suit that protects you from heatstroke, prolonged sun exposure, and dehydration. Only downside is literally having to drink your own sweat.

[@Excalibur01]

Sweat and piss

[@TerMau01]

@@Excalibur01 and your shit. The moisture is taken from it too

[@mike8984ify]

@@Excalibur01 and snot and spit :)

[@jack-exzolt9858]

Well it's what she's said, it dilutes your sweat in its purified form, meaning it basically turns your body sweat into tap water. This is what actually inspired the Warhammer 40k Spacemarine suit was taken from, the undersuit of a Spacemarine's armor basically functions like this. And also Halo, where Master Chief's undersuit preserves and recycles his sweat as coolant for his cybernetic augments, which allows him to fight for days and even months without stopping without the problem of dehydration.

[@lukebingus9432]

I believe its efficient enough to remove 99.9% of all biomatter from the recycled water. So i'd imagine the water from the suit would be similar to the taste from jugs of distilled water.

[@chillwillfromtheville]

Might have to go fire this classic up again. Brilliantly directed and magnificent acting all around.

[@elias_xp95]

Aquaman did really well out of the water, I'm proud of him.

[@joecarter3614]

🤠🤠🤠🤠

[@TileGuyJesse]

I'm so glad I saw this on IMAX. Can't wait for Dune Part 2

[@robertpascale6966]

There's so much going on you can't even walk away to make a sandwich during this movie it sounds like the end credits are about to play the entire movie

[@sagarthapa3765]

I am just surprsied how much details was included in the books, the dialogue exchange between Dr. Kynes and Duke Leto was amazing. I loved the film but I am loving the book more.

[@Paios]

I LIKE HOW THIS WHOLE SCENE IS JUST AN EXPOSITION DUMP IN AN EMPTY WAREHOUSE, THOSE ARE MY FAVORITE

[@RobbyBabes]

Paul is always giving off signs hes the Lisan al Gaib. It must be so crazy for the Fremen to see their prophecies unfolding. That woman who cried in front of Jessica, the one who gave her the Crysknife really freaked out. Awesome stuff.

[@toddkes5890]

The prophecies were set up by BG millenia earlier. Jessica was using her knowledge of different religions and markers in them to give key words to get the right reactions, and if Mapes had let Jessica talk longer then Mapes would have noticed the errors. For example Jessica was about to describe the crysknife as a 'maker of death', but Mapes cries out after the word 'maker'. That clues Jessica that it is the word 'maker' that is important. Jessica then asks Mapes if Mapes doubted that Jessica would not know of the Maker. Jessica is bluffing, but Mapes is too deep in the planted superstition to realize. As to Lisan Al Gaib, it is just referring to a son of a BG. If the situation is safe for the BG, then she can say something about it not being time yet. If the BG absolutely needs to survive, then she can work within the superstition to survive. If the BG has a daughter only then she can adapt based on if she needs help, and hint that the daughter is the one who might bear the Lisan al Gaib.

[@ChupeTTe]

Besides the genderswap a pretty faithful adaption for Liet Kynes.

[@howarddewing6617]

Probably the best character in the book to genderbend

[@TrollTrollski]

@@howarddewing6617 I had no idea books could do that. I will be careful what I read.

[@spoon2537]

dude I was so fucking confused. Legit I was thinking I was mis remembering things

[@11clarkec]

I forget who brought it up -- I think it was Quinn's Ideas on yt -- but Liet being a woman lends itself to better serve the narrative given the themes of the series.

[@banzaiboy1597]

@@howarddewing6617 I think it worked very well. Denis has a fondness for maternal/female figures of authority and it was really woven well into a film that at a glance I'm sure some would accuse of being male-centric. Here, it's the female characters who give Paul the most impetus to change and it works really well.

[@juangessinger5393]

comming back to this scene after reading chapter 15... they took so much care adapting this scene... I love it

[@benevolencia4203]

Again, it is the legend…. Gods, I love this story.

[@TheOakenTundrawolf]

I just finished reading both the first Dune, and the Dune Messiah Books. Quite an impressive read! Though Dune Messiah was a very good and heartfelt book, seeing Usul's transition to power, where he internalize the persona of Muad'dib was a tough one.

[@falco919]

RIP to the focus puller trying to keep her sharp standing in the backlight

[@davtona]

Some books we read leave a “Mark” on the reader, Dune was the very first book that did that for me - I was 13, Villeneuve’s interpretation feels the way I read it then, just incredible. God I loved this movie!

[@catintheukulelecase1973]

The part where Paul puts on the suit right the first time gives me a similar feeling to acing a test without studying

[@Michael-kd1ho]

Bear Grylls on Arrakis : Time to drink my own piss. "puts on stillsuit"

[@duncanidaho2130]

Isaac nails the Leto character... perfectly.

[@MCAQUIN0]

Such a beautiful movie

[@germany456]

BEAUTIFUL, imagine doing everything perfect bc you had memories from your past ancestors, Paul was blessed to have these powers

[@theodoredy]

Just recently I've read this part in the book. Seeing this now feels like a speedrun.

[@randomcurrypuff6237]

The whole movie is a speedrun, but still it’s an incredible movie.

[@JnEricsonx]

@@randomcurrypuff6237 And yet it's longer than the theatrical version of the first movie, of which this film is barely half the material of the book.

[@smellypatel5272]

I don't know this actress but she did a great job with her role, as minor as it was.

[@ofthehunt4243]

There is nothing minor about Liet Kynes.

[@smellypatel5272]

@@ofthehunt4243 didn't the character die in the movie??

[@ofthehunt4243]

@@smellypatel5272 Dying doesn't make you minor.

[@VoodooV1]

compared to the other adaptations, Kyne's role was a bit understated in this version. I liked how Kynes was portrayed in the 2000 miniseries. I similarly liked how they expanded Irulan's role

[@nercksrule]

@@ofthehunt4243 When you have 3 minutes of screen time in a 150 minute runtime; you're minor, dawg.

[@davidioanhedges]

The perfect scene ... he puts on the stillsuit the Experienced Fremen way, because it had seemed the right way (he had experienced the suits in his dreams for years), and then she says the Prophecy in Chakobsa ... that he speaks fluently... the prophesy seeded by the Missionaria Protectiva to aid someone like Paul ...

[@germany456]

1:40 the way the fremen speaks is beautiful, LISAN AI GIAB

[@briantayco6414]

I like that the dialogue is subtle. When Kines ask Paul who taught him that. And she responded as an aside as to who Paul is. That is what makes the movie unique.

[@Joshua-dx7zn]

What's funny is they are wearing those suits because they will die without them, but there are two guards standing in the sun by the ship without any sort of protection. I mean, couldn't they at least park the ship in the shade?

[@isiaharellano3789]

"This kid has drip. He's the Chosen One."

[@gywancityinnovations6628]

Good leadership with trusted Soldiers... This movie got a lot

[@SC-RGX7]

I like how those were Fremen made. It shows their technogical advancement.

[@toddkes5890]

It could also be a reference to Fremen desert stillsuits being far more complex for integral recycling, vs a city stillsuit only needing to store wastes for an at-home processor to filter the water. A city stillsuit would be cheaper, but you would have to fill it with water in the morning and remove the wastes in the evening to make it work.

[@colummccrudden101]

The fierce intellect of Dr Keynes was missed out from the movie that was featured in the books. The dinner party between the Atreides family and royal visitors. In the book Dr Keynes (a man) had a very good storyline despite its shortness. Paul noted how intelligent n acrobatic in an argument he could be and its a shame that it wasnt added to the movie as it would have added alot more of a background to the Fremen and the posh culture like Atreides in their differences and the Atreides literal urge to know more about the Fremen as a people and the planet itself. Dr Keynes had a small role which is a shame cos she would have been so good as an addition

[@Excalibur01]

The prequel books fleshed out this character and added more lore. Lore that is now fucked up because they gender changed the character

[@razorburn645]

I still can't believe we lost the banquet. It set up so much.

[@colummccrudden101]

@@Excalibur01 The gender change ironically doesnt annoy me as much as it would annoy me in other TV shows and movies. An extra 10 - 20 minutes of dialogue featuring her and the banquet would have been great!

[@sammiller6631]

Using "cos" is also a shame. If you want to nitpick about getting the book correct, you should do the same with correct spelling.

[@colummccrudden101]

@@sammiller6631 aye, you can fück up n all.

[@mitchbarredo3990]

This Timothy Chalamet is an excellent young man. He even looks like he could be Oscar Issac's son because he looks like Leto and also the lovely woman playing his mother.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

I too think the casting doesn't get enough praise. All three actors playing the Atreides family are pitch perfect adaptations from the book, and somehow Timothée truly could pass for their child. He has exactly his mother's jawline and sharpness, and his father's hair and droopy eyes. What are the chances of it all fitting so well!? I find the same with the cast for part 2. Austin Butler fits in perfectly with Stellan Skarsgärd's real life children, and Florence Pugh has Christopher Walken's exact mouth and overall look. How did they do it?

[@mitchbarredo3990]

@@pseudonymousbeing987 Agreed. Excellent casting. Like unbeleivably good.

[@aguspuig6615]

i was a huge 40k fan before watching the movie, i still am, but im realising not only does 40k copy dune, but the parts that i like about 40k are dulled down versions of the stuff that is in dune, plus 40k has a huge part of its comunity that have that wierd passive agressiveness towards realism, wheenver you ask why something is the way it is you just get ''muh realism'' ''bruh its 40k its ment to be ridiculous'' statements, but in dune it feels like everything makes sense and has an explaination, and asking a question in the comments is usually met with an interesting answer

[@kevinwijaya2580]

exactly, while asking a question in the 40k community usually leads to 3 people answering with slightly different but really complex 3 paragraph long answers lol

[@jmlaw8888]

40k doesnt "copy" Dune any more than Dune "copies" T.E. Lawrence. They take heavy inspiration and mould it into something new.

[@Somerandom1922]

I don't know anything about 40k (aside from the Astartes Project on YT) but you're right about Dune. I was vaguelly interested about why there were no computers when everything was so futuristic and just while browsing came upon a full ass video that covered how in the history of the Dune universe there was a Terminator style war with AI that got too advanced. Since then computers as we use them today have been outlawed and so they came up with other ways to get the same value but without the risk, like the enhanced doctor dude who can do full body scans just by touching you and the accountants that can process who numbers instantly.

[@talk-supersix-seven6021]

@@Somerandom1922 watch alt shift x “the real dune” so good.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

I loved 40K as soon as I found it _because_ I had first loved Dune, and I saw the seminal influence right away.

[@bubastis6306]

Dayum Oscar Isaac looked good in this movie

[@preparetoholdyourcolour7080]

Ikr

[@bobleglob162]

gives me chills

[@strawberryartonline5714]

Every angle of this movie are like concept art...

[@oliviavpb3482]

In the book this scene is amazing.

[@adamvoigt14]

I don't care what people say. This movie was absolutely amazing!

[@philipdillon83]

The general consensus is also that it is amazing.

[@Brandelwyn]

Not compared to the book its not

[@adamvoigt14]

@@Brandelwyn I'm here talking about cinema. Yes ,the book is good. But books and movies are on two different planes here.

[@FarremShamist]

@Ops Blac I mean... I myself would want that but that's besides the point.

[@craig3111]

Keins is a bloke in the books. Not sure why the change but she does it excellent

[@kieranschafer5180]

One overlooked aspect of Dune I think is interesting is manufacturing. This far in the future we have resorted back to feudalism, there are no companies or brands like we see today. Products like still suits, thumpers, and weapons are made to stand the test of time.

[@destroissomething2057]

I believe they may have had that issue at one point but then it all came crashing down so they grew out of it.

[@ogion539]

Even though she's a minor character, she's a part of my favorite moment of the movie, when she says "he will know your ways as if born into them."

[@slyguythreeonetwonine3172]

Yes it is impressive to be born knowing how to wear boots......

[@VideoMask93]

I like how they used the Chakobsa to illustrate her inner thoughts without a clunky voice-over. Felt natural.

[@WildBCFly]

Bullshit needless gender swap

[@sephelutis]

@@VideoMask93 i like that it feels like she is reciting a prayer

[@thegrimmretails3777]

@@VideoMask93 I do feel like mumbling something in a foreign language might be misconstrued in the presence of a Duke. But Leto Atreides is a laid-back dude so.

[@MrShadowpanther3]

Wonder if Gurney is going to have some stern words for the 2 bodyguards that were WAY late getting their blades out.

[@darthkek1953]

Gurney : I'm old but still faster than my best men. Gurney's Soldiers : always let the old man win the draw, it makes him feel significant.

[@sdcharger21]

People be busy, rich, famous, their definition of successful and still can be miserable, depressed, hurting, lost, unsatisfied, burnt and dealing all types of burden and unhappiness behind the curtain. Sometimes inorder to control the chaos without one must be still within.

[@fernander7826]

I have always tied my boots slip-fashion. Because 1 it looks cleaner than a knot with a bunch of excess. And 2 it helps keep ticks and bugs off my lower regions 😉 when hiking. Was never taught to do it, it just looked and felt right to do.

[@alexv1154]

HE IS THE MESSIAH!!!

[@StephenYuan]

I don't know what "slip fashion" is. Isn't it just a term from the book?

[@joshuacollins9346]

I was iffy on the gender swap for Kynes, but they really nailed the casting. Love this character. Glad it worked out.

[@davecrupel2817]

To me, this is integration done right. Done for the right reasons. A definite improvement over previous Dune iterations!

[@NucleaRaptor]

@@davecrupel2817 >right reasons Shitting over the source material to shove more stronk black wamyn in the cast? Those kinds of reasons?

[@antoniomv9444]

@NucleaRaptor oh stfu and be responsible for your own life. Nobody cares as long as it is a good change, the people who survived a world where hell rises by 6 am must have some type of pigmentation that protects them from the sun. If the point was to make her seen politically neutral she looking like the locals (dark skin and blue eyes) was the correct choice.

[@AtholAnderson]

@@NucleaRaptor In the book Dr. Kynes' race/gender have zero impact on how the character is in the story, so what does it matter? If you're going to get worked up over something, do it over something important.

[@henrimoore1215]

@@NucleaRaptor I don't think the change has any major impact on the character. Its not shitting on the source material it just a slight alteration. so what if it adds diversity. I would get it if she was shit but she plays her part well. There really isnt any reason to be upset over change. except of course if you object to a rad black woman doing cool shit. Daves got it right

[@WardNightstone]

"and he shall know your ways as if born to them" you really lose context of these scene without hearign her thinkign this in this momant

[@albinoadrianocordeiro9929]

That's a great movie!!!

[@zwojack7285]

"You wouldn't survive two hours without one of these" Meanwhile, the guards in black standing in the back in the sun:

[@matt-lang]

This was one of, if not *the* weakest scene adaptation from the book. In the book they highlight that the suit needs to be skintight and specifically tightened in certain areas to preserve water, which is unnatural for non-Fremen people to do when they wear it. It's implied that nobody would know how to properly wear the suit without direct instruction. So when Paul shows up with a perfectly worn suit it's extra noteworthy. All they had to do in this scene was even just show a few additional strap adjustments and positioning to make it perfect on the characters other than Paul, but they instead just said "oh hey you tucked your boots in properly" and were blown away by that.

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

That was fully communicated. Gurney and Leto needed adjustments all the way around their bodies, Liet knew and expected this. Meanwhile she takes one glance at Paul and can tell instantly he somehow knew what he was doing, and does not need adjustment. That's perfect text to visual adaptation. Actions speak just the same as words. No need for exposition, just action and meaning.

[@iamblade7862]

I like the 80s version actor of the Dr better. This scene is so much better with him👌

[@radabit2417]

I gotta have one of thoso suits for summer

[@davadh]

Damn, this movie look so good!

[@LuizFer081]

Liet Kynes foi tão icônica

[@IngvarMar]

Everyone praises the movie, but doesn't anyone feel like it's spoon feeding the audience most of the time about how everything works? Characters tell each other things they already must have known just like this scene explaining the suits. I felt that way most of the time during the movie

[@doobadood]

Nobody even read books nowadays so spoonfeeding would be a better way to help audience understand the story and it's just sad

[@ST0AT]

@@doobadood just because nobody reads books around you doesn't mean we've ALL become illiterate. Nobody reads book nowadays, my ass...

[@doobadood]

@@ST0AT this movie could've been great if it wasn't dumbed down to appease more audience. Literally made it looks like a marvel movie so people would watch it. With lackluster dialogue/lines plus incompetent writing that made it looks like for 12 years old. Plus I had seen more ignorant takes coming from people who claims they know everything while in reality, they really don't.

[@machdude3366]

People talking about the boots ignored the intro glance that Kynes gives Paul. As far as she is concerned, the boots were one aspect of the process as she was fixing everyone's suit during the once over. Her question was to inquire about Paul's source of knowledge and why he could do everything correctly.

[@AJ-wx8xf]

I cant wait for part 2

[@mensrea1251]

0:29 when the server informs me no more onion rings.

[@AlexanderNixonArtHistory]

hahhahahaha

[@vonn4017]

well, im pretty sure Liet likes the term planetologist over ecologist

[@toddkes5890]

I wonder if Planetologist would refer to someone becoming an expert on a specific planet, while ecologist would refer to someone being an expert for a general environment?

[@vonn4017]

@@toddkes5890 no, planetologist is the old school term. it's in the book

[@BrotherCam]

MoonKnight and Thanos in the same room? Ohhh shoot

[@joecarter3614]

Apocalypse and Cable To My Friend!!!

[@Thulthu]

The good Dr. forgot about the excrement part when explaining the suits.

[@mikedabig4088]

i still dont understand why nobody is actually sweating. We dont get the idea that Arrakis is very hot throughout the whole movie

[@jameslatta6813]

Sweating is due to humidity. Humidity comes from water evaporating from lakes and oceans. There are no lakes or oceans on Dune. It is a very dry heat.

[@nercksrule]

@@jameslatta6813 A dry heat is the ideal conditions for sweating as a method of heat dissipation. High humidity prevents sweat from evaporating, making sweating an ineffective form of heat dissipation. If these actors were actually sweating in a desert, the sweat would be evaporating almost as soon as it beads up on their skin.

[@samuelyeo5450]

Are you talking about visually? I am thinking the heat was so great that sweat never grew into visible droplets. The water of sweat simply evaporates without a trace.

[@jameslatta6813]

@@nercksrule I one lived in Florida and due to the humidity sweated a great deal. However when I lived in the high desert country of New Mexico it was very different. The term "dry heat" comes from the lack of humidity.

[@snakeplissken1933]

Hudson: Yeah man but it's a dry heat..

[@rwest1818]

Have to say, I've seen both but the original, for me, is the best version by far

[@johndunn1625]

finally watch the movie yesterday, and now I'm getting bombarded by every scene in the movie on here. i'm not complaining or anything, but it is strange

[@morgan4212]

He shall know your ways as if he were born to them

[@cartesian_doubt6230]

Here is the biggest question of all: This is far in the future, how the hell would they know what a thimble was?

[@Brainflayer]

You never know, some Sewing fanatics may have kept it going as a hobby/cult for a few dozen millennia.

[@rbd6502]

the same future where soldiers have knives as their main weapon

[@watchtherocks12]

They still wear clothes, so it would stand to reason they still make and repair them. Why wouldn't the term thimble still be used?

[@cartesian_doubt6230]

@@watchtherocks12 I have to imagine that this far in the future, robots are making uniforms and clothes, not people. Even today, in 2022, we have sewing robots already. I would imagine that in 8,000 years, making clothes is entirely automated.

[@UFO_PILOT]

@@cartesian_doubt6230 there are no robots or thinking machines in the Dune universe.

[@nepntzerZer]

this movie is the greatest movie of all time and i need it to live. please help me.

[@thomashart9290]

These suits be absolutely drippin

[@enzov9772]

A small thing from the book was that while Gurney was initially hostile to Dr. Kynes, once she fixed his suit, Gurney realized her fixes made the suit more comfortable to him. Would’ve been nice to see a quick “huh.” in the movie

[@brucereutens8730]

Almost feels weird seeing these far future soldiers draw knives and swords instead of pistols and rifles.

[@patrickkenyon2326]

When body armor technology far surpasses weapon technology.

[@dvncan]

Personal shields made projectile weapons virtually worthless. Las-guns are a thing, but shooting a shield with a las-gun = fusion and kills the shooter and their target

[@tuthiii]

@@dvncan causes a nuclear explosion

[@lil__boi3027]

The most bullshit thing about dune is th lack of nukes and 4th gen nuclear weapons, its supposed to be the far future and all of that, but since this entire book revolves about drug trade and mha profacy dont take it seriously

[@turbopokey]

Do they have those “Weirding modules” (sonic blasters) in this version of the story? That’s why I hated the 90s version of Dune because it didn’t have them.