D&D Wizards: The Illusionist and The Necromancer - The Dungeoncast Ep.195

[@wesleybutcher3389]

Hell yeah boys, nice builds !

[@timothywootton5331]

Grats on 50k

[@danagroupsrl6613]

Thanks.

[@XXPURPLEDUDEXX]

Joe the necromancer call an ambulance but not for me! 😂

[@bobtown500]

Loved the cast guys. Finally got a Dungeoncast t shrit. Will start advertising for ya. Cmon Will, necromancers rule!!! I liked your build.

[@snarkback]

Always love the content. Thank you guys for all the hard work!

[@Valoruchiha]

Love you guys, always watch your videos and take what you say with intense interest as I incorporate the lore and information learned here into my own games both as a DM and PC.

[@Eruvadhril]

Before I started playing my Glamour Bard, I wrote a bunch of ideas in a notebook for how to lock down enemies with illusion spells. Phantasmal Force is great for that because it can actually do damage to them when they interact with it. The necromancy school always makes me think of the Discworld books, where the magical university has renamed the Necromancy school to the Department of Post-Mortem Communications.

[@Buquenque]

Dope video! I bought the d&d gift set because of your videos and enthusiasm. I am really excited about getting started and doing research is great with your help

[@asaka616]

Will's character reminds me a bit of Lizardman Priest in Goblin Slayer.

[@Thedungeoncast]

I haven't seen it, but I have heard of Goblin Slayer.

[@GhostlyNomad130]

Oooooo! That sounds really interesting. I'm currently trying to homebrew up an Animancer. It's like A Necromancer but they study souls. So I'm really looking for some creative inspiration.

[@asaka616]

@@Thedungeoncast once you get past the extremely confronting first episode a couple of things happen. 1. You despise goblins 2. You begin to see a fair bit inspired from D&D, i.e. the magic system, spells, monsters and races. (Even the two main gods roll dice.)

[@TLBainter]

Brian: "Ok, cool." My Google Mini: "🚨🚨🚨"

[@DragonGunzDorian]

I have liked and commented! I continue to serve the magical dungeoncast! Don't really have any ideas for what I can talk about in my paladin bit this week, so I'll skip it rather than force it. Thanks for another great episode guy's, really love the characters you came up with this time around. Especially the necromancer lizardman, then again I'm biased because I love necromancy and anything with scales. Anyway, hope you two are having a good day, can't wait for the upcoming episode of SQS. :)

[@mcswaggerduff8946]

This episodes timing was impeccable, I guess you could say it gave me life

[@ashenwuss1651]

Don't fall for its false pretenses. It's better to study than to have it all handed to you

[@DragonGunzDorian]

I actually commented here yesterday. I'm totally not a day late. That thing next to my name showing when I posted this comment is merely an illusion.

[@ashenwuss1651]

@@DragonGunzDorian Your alimony is that you were simply counter commented? Ugh. It's too early. I already need my arcane restoration. You know how it is. Once you do that, then you'll need a long rest so you can use restoration again, yadayada.

[@DragonGunzDorian]

@@ashenwuss1651 it's ok ashen, you take a nice. . .long rest. I'll make sure to *raise* er, I mean wake you when it's over.

[@ashenwuss1651]

@@DragonGunzDorian You must be an enchanter, because that's compelling

[@masheroomboi2884]

I have had both an illusionist and a necromancer in one campaign, one of them (the necromancer) would brag about having read the books 100 times, but he still didn't know the difference between a class and a race. The illusionist was a quiet kid who didn't always say much, but when he did he would make a white dragon eat its own wings and then jump off a cliff 😂

[@nickabsent958]

That Illusionist ability is literally the Loki trick lol

[@Lendel_Smânio]

So, the thing is that for illusion spells usually there's an intelligence check to know that is an illusion, or an iteraction of some kind is required, therefore is rather difficult for a DM to just say "Oh, they ignore the giant fucking dragon bc they are still mad at you" because that doesn't make any sense. Of course, there is some logic you still have to follow, that may raise suspicion, but the character is convinced until they do the check. That may not be true for every spell, but is a general rule that mitigates the "Illusion is all role play" aspect.

[@HavocTheWendigo]

Nick cage version of color was pretty good

[@tonysebree6455]

Always wanted to play a necromancer and go against a night stalker. Challenge level 20 monster that can be permanently controlled.

[@mwil2495]

Tony Sebree the big problem with it is it’s passive damage for anyone within 30ft. But you can possibly force an encounter by Plane Shifting any creature, a zombie for example, to the Negative Energy Plane. This should cause a Nightwalker to appear according to the flavor text in MToF. Use control undead. On success you control a CR 20 undead. On failure, cast Banishment.

[@Runeify00]

illusionist is a Mesmer in GuildWars2 !

[@indridcold2229]

I got the hp love craft reference don’t think I didn’t catch it

[@cameronpearce5943]

My Wizard would get along very well with your Necromancer

[@pricerowland]

I made a spore druid lizardfolk for Curse of Strahd, and I'm definitely "borrowing" a lot of ideas from Will's excellent character design. Except my concept is more of an ecoterrorist "end justifies the means" type.

[@Rubidius]

Color spray is an illusion spell, not an evocation spell. Prismatic spray however is an evocation spell.

[@mcswaggerduff8946]

Mahawei(spelling?) Reminds me of my lizard folk death cleric named Gar who wants to make everyone food. He uses a skeleton kitchen crew as well

[@robertcurtis8585]

Ducking a thousand ads jfc

[@Thedungeoncast]

We are on it. YT has been slapping excess ads automatically on all of our vids. Should be fixed momentarily.

[@notsae66]

@@Thedungeoncast Apparently they've been doing that to everyone lately. It's had rather the opposite effect of what they wanted I'd imagine.

[@DeedeeDirt]

I can't wait to play wayward warlock what wonders on a wyrvern

[@darugger1130]

Hey they recently made a movie for lovecraft’s “color out of space” staring nick cage. I thought it was a fun movie.

[@CleverPsuedonym1]

I’m pretty sure all clerics get animate dead and I’m not sure why, but options are always good.

[@eduardobruno7310]

you guys could use this classes episodes to do characters more outside the box, like an illusionist based on itachi's genjutsu or something like that

[@brianroberts783]

One of my favorite early characters I played was a Dragonborn Necromancer for an evil mini-campaign. Chill Touch became one of my most used spells, partly because the image of a ghostly skeletal hand squeezing the life from my enemies was too awesome to pass up. One of the best moments, though, was when I took down a Paladin who had come to face us, then raised him as a zombie and sent him after his former partner. FYI, zombies are way scarier in full plate.

[@lawaern3474]

Ooh. I'm early. Better like the video.

[@chuckallerston9997]

First wizard ever was a gnome illusionist .i had to know or have knowledge of monsters i'd want to create or situations

[@xezzee]

I personally think Necromancer is Evil only because it is taboo -> player should be able to play LG necromancer but understand that npc will see them as evil. I think I can make Necromancer bit more appealing for you guys ^_^ most of these ideas are from others. This is missed opportunity to talk about animated dead which is why necromancers are known for. One is not necromancer unless they rice dead. At lvl 6 with 3 spell slots that can rise 2 zombies and control 4 you can control 10 - the last one raises 2 can control 4 but you if you raise 2 more you lose control over the 2 others ~ bit weird how it goes but basically you lose 2 as you take control. Your lvl 6 Nercomancer can have 10 zombies / skeletones with you. How I would play Necromancer was to stack up ~10 times bows, short swords, quivers with arrows, shields and basic armor untill I'm lvl 6. Then I would say I gather 10 dead bodies and grave out the bones to make the bodies be raised as skeletons. Now, technically why could you not equip your skeletones? They already have weapons in Monster Manual and if we take a look of the picture it looks like the armor is wearied down from age. You could also argue the items they have should mean they keep the DC they had when they were alive ^_^ Then you have 10 archers with you all the time. When your Cleric uses turn undead your skeletons are out of the way and won't be harmed. In dungeons you can always keep one skeleton in front of the party for traps/ambushes ^_^ You can have the minions do work, they might help you in other SIMPLE task . . . I think the skeletons are not smart enough to be black smiths and so on, but some field work should work. Question. If person knew Sign language can they speak as undead? ~ undeads can understand the languages they spoke when they were alive but can't speak. Is sign language off the table as speech? Like, do they lack the brain to form words even if they can understand them? it would make pretty cool skeletons zombies and all undead who would wave their hands in sing language trying to tell the players "For love of our god, Place end our suffering, We ask you, As we can't do it our self!" ^_^ Ask DM -> Can you equip skeletons and zombies if you spend the coin to buy basic armor and weapons. Then agree how complex work they can do. I would say farming is ok but blacksmithing maybe not. To play LG I think you have to rise only bad people or people who's permissions you get. Then you must also bury all who you rise and give them proper funeral so I think in lore sense you must have proficiency in religion and history so "you know about how different cultures practice funerals" -> Sage -> who specializes in religion. When you go to battle you get bodies of willing people or criminals -> then you raise them as dead to fight on your side. After the battle is fought you order your skeletons to dig graves for all who died them included. After that you order them to haul the bodies in the graves and last you order them to go to the graves them self and you finish them off. When you kill undead you at the same time hold funeral to them stopping for moment before moving forwards. You should only keep zombies when you use finger of death that gives them to permanently for you. So no abusing hordes of mindless feral zombies :D Use them for good. Give them proper funeral. Have them be part of your party. Make sure to use bows and arrows. Let them scout. They are great at protecting you nights while your rest soundly knowing they will alarm you. Get Feat Keen Mind so you know how much clock is so when you have to recast the spell ;) DM else might be asshole and say "you don't know how much time has passed and your zombies turned feral and killed you" ^_^ I would make backstory be that she was raised as noble. The Family had a sacred that you would teach your children Necromancy after they get their children. While she lived as kid she often saw zombies and people raised as zombies. This made her not understand the necromancy is taboo. She never fears death as she has lived her life with undead. The noble family often used dead children as "friends" for their kids if they didn't have anyone close to their age. She would be mother who lost her family for another Noble who told to everyone that the family was practicing necromancy and murdered most of the people. Some lived like she and her kids, who were given to the uncle to continue the tradition. The Sage is part of the packground where before they would learn anything about how to animated dead they would spend their time learning differend religions and how to honor the death once they were placed back to the grave. Why is she advanture is 100% to claim her land back by becoming the known necromancer hero :^) Thinking if she can proof to the world that not all necromancers are evil she might be able to claim her land back. She has Noble ring but if anyone looks in to that they are bound to learn that she is part of "necromancer cult" ^_^ friends said I was banned for playing necromancer after I told them you can rise 10 zombies or skeletons at lvl 6 and have skeletones with bows + lvl20 can have upwards of 150 or more . . . If you plan to play this way here is challenge -> the character is N alligment. Not Chaotic nor Lawful. Not Good nor Evil. You challenge your self to do so much good DM gives you both Lawful and Good. Sure if you get CG, G or LG it is all Good and that is what you want to do. Once you get the Good from DM it is time to claim the land back :^)

[@jokubasbalciunas6185]

I don't know how to write the nesromancers name (sorry) but he is so cool, will you play him in some patreon podcast or something else like when superquest saga is done?

[@onisinn1]

🔥🖤🔥

[@cadecook8067]

Here’s a fun fact you can do with the illusionist level 14 ability: the bullet is what kills you, not the gun