Dutch Mantell on If Shawn Michaels & Vince McMahon Were Lovers

[@mellosunflower]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised by anything at all where it concerns McMahon. I could tell even years ago, he was the type of guy who got his kicks humiliating people and making them acknowledge he was 'better' or superior than them. So maybe forcing a male wrestler to do certain sexual things was one mode of achieving that? Only Shawn and Vince know. I doubt either of them will ever enlighten us.

[@jaritime1406]

Nope it was a simple as they paid him NOT to go to WCW and reignite the NWO with Nash & Hall they couldnt risk it kept him paid and wouldn;t you know when his contract was running down and WWE didn't need to worry about WCW shawns back heeled super quick.. If True Nash or Hall would have said something by now

[@jamie.777]

Wow , what a genius u are, so your sayin the kiss my ass club was a sign?? 😂😂

[@jamie.777]

​@@jaritime1406good point, 👍

[@joeblo5804]

For fans that really want to know, it was a bizarre 3 way love triangle between VM, SM and steve Lombardi (Brooklyn brawler (BB)) and pat patterson (PP). When BB was dating PP it was around the time SM got his face kicked in by the marines and the reason this happened is because SM was proposing sexual favors with one of the marines. It did not go well according to my source, staff sergeant Barnes. PP reached out to SM to assist, which led to the both of them going dancing at the then popular tropicana in Florida…. One thing led to another and the BB became jealous and threw all of PP’s belongings ( high heels, his purse, etc) out of their shared domicile in NY in an absolute fit of rage. PP was pissed but did not tetaliate. VM sensed a big problem and immediately called all of them into the office and put a stop to it, and in order to keep their jobs they had to dress up like Puerto rican circus midgets in drag and get it on as a threesome and videotape it all for VM. All videos as of 2010 were still owned by VM and this drove SM to his retirement as he wanted copies for his post wrestling get-togethers with Kanyon, but VM said no.

[@jaritime1406]

@@joeblo5804 Well that's a hock of Sh*te while BB may have been a ring boy PP abused (Never said it tho) it's very clearly a lie as the Bulldog & X=Pace who were with shawn said he kept hitting on one of the Marines girls and they asked him to stop he wouldnt he went out to the car and kept hitting on her till the kicked the sh*t out of him Davie got there quick and it was over.. Don't lie like the woke you'll call Grace a woman next

[@johnny5805]

So, Vince is the TRUE Ringmaster ?! 😂

[@jesahnorrin]

He's the genetic jackhammer. He mastered that ring.

[@MyNameIsUnavailable]

Dingmaster 😂

[@HulksterNevaLies]

@@johnny5805 it’s POOsible brother! -HH

[@Daves_Faves]

Video summary - "Maybe"

[@thenextlevel112]

All his videos are maybe because he wants that wwe money and hall of fame 🗑 typical shill dutch mantell

[@lukestone365]

Not confirming, nor denying anything between the two! If something was going on? I guess those two were having some Sunny Days!!

[@COYBIG1967]

That doesn’t work at all

[@koolkeiths]

You’re staring a holy war down here in the comments section Dutchy 😂

[@mikeg2491]

Personally I think it’s great it proves not all of us conservatives are holy rollers.

[@meekrob]

​@@mikeg2491 And here I thought it was just me and Dr. Robert Price 😊

[@dallas317]

​@@mikeg2491I don't wear religion on my sleeve but don't disrespect my God, just don't bring it up. Defamation of Shawn Micheals is enough to make this video terrible alone.

[@koolkeiths]

@@dallas317 Michaels is a twink

[@mikeg2491]

@@dallas317I interpreted it as him disrespecting fake Christians not Christianity itself.

[@PassivePortfolios]

Not that there is anything wrong with that except that Michaels was McMahon's employee at the time of their affair so it was conflict of interest.

[@Megatallica000]

Idk... Theres also the rumor of vince and ultimate warrior butt naked on the bear skin rug 😬

[@JimmyMac-jo3zh]

That doesn't sound like something that would make the world work.

[@gocanuckurself1]

@@JimmyMac-jo3zh😂😂😂

[@toma.4808]

Vince likes big sweaty men. 300lbs , well built. Vinces favorites

[@Cherryponut]

​@@toma.4808wasn't he molested by a big burly dude?

[@jd9119]

That was just Bret Hart's weird fantasy though.

[@99somerville]

Since none of us have access to Shawn's medical records, it is all guesswork. Those four years off certainly would have helped his back.

[@natwolf687]

*Deductive reasoning*

[@sammmm87]

@@99somerville maybe that's what injured his back, taking that genetic jackhammer 😂

[@GV213]

​@@sammmm87😂

[@darknessandlife777]

There wasn't a back injury. It's pretty blatant. First, his back was fine after RR and he walked into Raw with zero back issues. It was only when Vince told him "You're putting Austin over at WM" that ouch, ohh, owww! My back is bad, no can do! Second, upon doing the job at Wrestlemania, he went back to Texas and immediately opened his 3rd rate wrestling school and bingo hall promotion, taking bumps regularly. Third, he spent the lad up to WM 14 and 1998-2001 begging Vince to release him so he could go to WCW and reunite with Hall and Nash. Fourth, his back miraculously recovered out of nowhere when WCW went under and his contract was close to expiring.

[@mattlarson8358]

You make good points but you could see the pain on his face at wm 14. Maybe he had an injured back but was willing to push through it so long as he deemed it worth it

[@kumiliarostreamsarchives3079]

Nasty rumors

[@darknessandlife777]

Inconvenient facts.

[@ericapeters6017]

Nothing is off the table with Vince, but I feel the talk of he and Shawn being “lovers” from the boys was just jealous spite and nothing more, but like Dutch says, who knows?

[@rjgbass]

Anyone who listened to Vince in those days having an orgasm on commentary whenever Shawn came out wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Vince actually made fans resent Shawn by doing that.

[@hbgoat8352]

@@rjgbassVince was just a huge fan of Shawn, and was trying to push him hard as a face, not realizing how annoying he came off. Their relationship always looked like the Coach and his favorite player. Nothing romantic or anything. Are you going to say JR was in love with Steve Austin because of how he marked out for him?

[@adamirishconundrum851]

Shawn gave Vince a sparky big time 🦴

[@mitzicarpenter2820]

@@hbgoat8352well said

[@mikeg2491]

@@hbgoat8352I think announcers always have favorites, Tony Schiavone is definitely sweet on Britt baker and a mark for Sting and Hook in AEW.

[@ManahManah77]

In a locker room typically full of mostly naked dudes, gay rumors are a dime a dozen.

[@sammmm87]

So are actual gay men

[@BirdGang6]

Vince and Shawn we’re genuine lovers though

[@thepainfulreality]

Vince loved hbk because if Vince was ever a trained professional wrestler Shawn Michaels is the type of wrestler that Vince saw himself as !! 100% FACTS

[@hgriff14]

thats why he took steroids to look like a body builder, so he could look like one of the smallest main event wrestlers ever. the only thing he cared about with shawn was how much money he could make off of him, just like every other person that has worked for him.

[@wizzerwiser2056]

Vince liked muscle heads not small high flyers

[@richgreen2954]

I think Vince has said if he was a wrestler he would have the million dollar man gimmick. A couple of others have said the same thing.

[@darknessandlife777]

​@hgriff14 Had Yawn actually made him money that would be true. The fact is Yawn tanked the entire Company and cost Vince money yet Vince continued to push him and verbally glaze him every week.

[@billycox2040]

Dutch kills me with that cigar chewing 😂

[@jvharbin8337]

How do you spell Shawn the way Dutch pronounces it? Showne? Shone?

[@brianrife9603]

😁😁😁 He pronounces it the exact same way Jeff Jarrett does lol.

[@cathallynch1]

We've since heard that Vince named sex toys after his wrestlers, presumably whilst in use. We are never hearing the final word on this.

[@salmonstring]

where did u hear that 💀😦

[@liquidgeorge]

Vince treated Shawn no more or less than Hogan, Austin, The Rock or Cena when they were at the very top. Yes, his obnoxious commentary was annoying, but I think that was born out of desperation to put over the next big thing at a time WWF were getting hammered; he overdid it, and he did it with Vader initially too. These ridiculous rumours are built purely out of jealously from the other wrestlers and the marks.

[@millec60]

HBK was far worse than them though

[@liquidgeorge]

@@millec60 So?

[@darknessandlife777]

Pure BS and copium from a fanboy, nothing more. Vince repeatedly tried to screw over and replace Hogan and Austin whipe they were still mega draws. Meanwhile Michaels was the worst drawing WWF Champion in history and McMahon would not relent on pushing and glazing him.

[@ojmcclanahan689]

That's not necessarily true. Commentary is irrelevant. I don't think Vince and HBK had any kind of sexual relationship, but Vince did let Shawn get away with a lot of nonsense that he wouldn't let anyone else get away with. I've heard people say that HBK was the only person that could literally kick Vince's door open and tell him to go f**k himself without any repercussions.

[@Amos_Huclkeberry]

Has anybody directly asked HBK about this?

[@MrSircharles05]

I'm sure he's heard the rumors. I think he was asked about it once and he said he's not a homosexual.

[@ChrisMS0815]

He said "Shawn is not gay, why don't you ask yo momma if Shawn is gay?"

[@JimmyMac-jo3zh]

So he's not gay. Is his boyfriend?

[@darknessandlife777]

No, but Yawn DID allude to it in an old shoot interview when Bret was pissed over the Sunny Days comment he admittedly told Bret "so what? Call me out for all the Homosexual stuff."

[@salmonstring]

@@ChrisMS0815theres another one where he says “don’t knock the gay lifestyle till you try it”, its from a dark match

[@tonyslicer7399]

One most ridiculous rumors

[@genecide6869]

Always bringing this crap up and it's just the Stephanie Macho Man rumors

[@ryankeefe2102]

I honestly never believed that nonsense. Whatever we say about Vince now I just dont it sounds like lockerroom talk nonsense. I believe Jim Ross where he said Vince viewed Shawn as a younger Vince. Like a father son relationship

[@alanmacdonald1457]

well considering how many wrestlers were forced to perform sexually or lose their spot in wwe when vince was around, seems extremely likely since vince knew what was going on and covered up all the stuff about the kids being molested

[@ryankeefe2102]

@alanmacdonald1457 what does that have to do with him and shawn though

[@alanmacdonald1457]

@@ryankeefe2102 what does the fact the company was known to have forced their employees to perform sexually for them to move up in the company have to do with a guy who climbed to the top faster than anyone and his position was even safe when not working? lol, i dunno

[@hbgoat8352]

@@alanmacdonald1457The victims are all women though? There’s no concrete proof that any of the male wrestlers had to deal with what the divas did.

[@alanmacdonald1457]

@@hbgoat8352 you obviously know nothing about pat patterson and the ring boys scandal, many people involved in wrestling have talked about being pressured into sexual favours to keep their positions or move up, not just women

[@mitzicarpenter2820]

Good Lord people still talking about these nasty rumors 🙄 that’s all they are just nasty rumors 🤦‍♀️

[@thenextlevel112]

It's real deal with it karen

[@darknessandlife777]

It's fact, not rumor. Cope harder Michaels mark.

[@theonewhostandsaboveall6826]

Such a naive response

[@fmthebaron]

There were rumors of Jim Ross plowing Steve Austin as well and Austin really got his neck injury from giving Jim Ross too much Hawk Tuah.

[@amiyna12]

Lmaoo that's wild why u say that

[@natwolf687]

​@@amiyna12 He's just trying and failing to be funny.

[@mileycirus]

@@natwolf687Nah this is funny af

[@Jared40]

@@fmthebaron wouldn't surprise me good ol JR was such a lover of Stone Cold 🤣

[@bloodhound3817]

It was a slobber knocker! Wild as Tulsa, Oklahoma on a Saturday night!

[@McGomezAddams]

Shawn has been many things but he's never been accused of sexual assault by anyone, so this is a rumor by salty less talented wrestlers

[@genecide6869]

Seriously haters and this interviewer is Shane Douglas's boy so of course he wants to slander Shawn with the gay stuff

[@darknessandlife777]

So much copium from the marks 😂😂😂

[@McGomezAddams]

@@darknessandlife777 Meltzer is that you?

[@darknessandlife777]

@@McGomezAddams That's the best comeback you have? Yawn Michaels was blowing Vince for his failed pushes, cope harder.

[@genecide6869]

Again with the gay rumors so JR. was gay too because he screamed Stone Cold's name like a fan boy lol

[@rdesi78]

Absolutely not. Vince liked Shawn bcuz he was marketable(He was totally Over) was great on the Microphone and was one of best wrestlers ever.

[@darknessandlife777]

He wasn't over at all, he never drew a dime and tanked the numbers yet McMahon continued verbally blowing him every chance he got.

[@rdesi78]

@@darknessandlife777 As Champ in '96 the shine wore off in the Fall but overall Shawn was crucial to the success of WWF. He had the "It" factor.

[@darknessandlife777]

@ronalddesimone5383 Except he didn't have the "IT" factor. He didn't draw his entire main event run and he had zero to do with the WWF's success, success that only came after he was sent home to pout.

[@rdesi78]

@@darknessandlife777 He totally pushed him tho throughout his career bcuz of his entertainment and mic skills but yeah he wasnt Austin '98

[@darknessandlife777]

@@rdesi78 He wasn't even Diesel 1995 🤣

[@mosesmelchezidek5295]

Very sad to hear Dutch say that. Youre holding on to your mancard to tightly Dutch. Jesus died to set dead men free from their bondages.

[@rybacksmith2672]

We see plenty of evidence of evil ruling the world but no evidence of a team light side......one must conclude then that there is no team light side........and that from here on out things will only get worse as darkness and evil remains unchecked.

[@sammmm87]

@mosesmelchezidek5295 ooh men in bondage you say?

[@j.c.ca.o.l7035]

Completely agree with his views on religion. I had a toxic family member like that, and when he found religion he thought he could tell us how to live. I will tell you, it did not change his life for the better.

[@FerretJohn]

God save us from pretentious fanboys who think they know all the sordid backstage truths. No, Vince and Shawn weren't lovers, when McMahon looked at HBK he did not see hearts and unicorns, he saw dollar signs. Despite Shawn's backstage and personal issues on camera he was breaking demographics, pulling in younger and female fans like the Pied Piper at a time when McMahon was desperate to get fans in the building. Shawn was the Money Machine, you protect the Money Machine.

[@Brian22-up3eu]

He saw hearts and unicorn and a dollar sign.

[@sammmm87]

@@FerretJohn he saw that HBK Leather-Daddy outfit and knew exactly what shawn was into😂

[@kingkold]

Shawn never drew a dime

[@darknessandlife777]

Holy shit this revisionist history is hilarious. Yawn Michaels wasn't drawing anyone. The ratings, buyrates and attendance all TANKED whenever Vince put him on top. The fans were changing the channel to Nitro in DROVES. Vince was losing money by the week yet insisted on continuing to push a 5'7", 175lb vanilla midget that couldn't draw a dime if you spotted him a nickel and four quarters.

[@bigdaddytrips6197]

It's just a silly rumor.

[@scottfaber3232]

I remember watching during the Micheals era and Shawn taking his clothes off and Vince screaming “HES ENTERTAINING THIS CAPACITY CROWD!” I was like who??? The moms? But it was entertaining Vince

[@shermhart7617]

I was working for them back then, me and timmy Gordon walked in while Vince was beating the living hell out of his backside. Vince yelled get out and wasnt this damn door was locked!

[@martyjohnson753]

I was a loyal follower of this podcast, watching one episode after another many days. This was my very last one. Never again.

[@lewieanderson6579]

Vinny blew Michaels' back out so shaun had to take 4 years off

[@ericsweeden474]

Better be careful Dutch !!!!

[@veritasunleashed]

It's a shame that Dutch wast turned away from God at a young age. The people or religious figures in his life definitely failed him.

[@mkultra5752]

How brainwashed can you be? its a game

[@popeyedoyle6360]

What?

[@b33zNet]

Watch it again, that's not what Dutch said.

[@COYBIG1967]

This is so out of order , even the title is too much. FFS . 😔 I’m kind of shocked and gutted that Dutch and James would even entertain this and talk like that , you’re attempting to tarnish someone who’s married sexuality , someone who is a devout Christian now. Fair enough Dutch don’t listen to Shawn about his beliefs but maybe let’s not try to out the guy who’s not gay for some views and if you watch back you quite clearly were suggesing it was right . I respect you and James but imo this section is totally out of order

[@jamali76]

You shouldn't be surprised, all these 2 do is sit behind a microphone and put people down. Of course they would never do it to their faces because they don't have the balls to do so

[@Brian22-up3eu]

Lol enjoying a homo relation doesnt tarnish anything. Grow up. Jesus never cared about this.

[@dallas317]

​@@Brian22-up3euit's called defamation

[@alexello1189]

This was a rumor from back in the day . If Nash can joke about the summer of 92 but Shawn can’t joke about being Vince’s golden boy then you’re taking it way too seriously. Grow the fuck up and realize nobody cares about shit from 30 years ago

[@darknessandlife777]

Except 1: Michaels admitted he is Gay in a 2000 shoot interview, 2: It's been well established by people he was glazing McMahon for his push and 3: The Christianity was 100% all an act after he was ran out of the locker room in 2001.

[@DingDongDaddyFromDumas933]

So what if they we're?

[@60BloodyChamp60]

I don’t think the idea was ever taken seriously. It’s no different than 2 pals at any normal job, particularly a normal job where there’s a pecking order, being buddy buddy. Everybody else will say under their breath that they’re gay together. It’s just something people say to blow off steam.

[@alberts1985]

I could see that

[@rickyregisterkjv1611]

That’s a shame Dutch Sounds like hurt in your past… God specializes in changing the most vile sinners

[@PatBrooks-u6w]

Now I know why Michaels was called "Boy Toy".

[@cats362]

even jim cornette said it was a lie. and cornette doesnt even like shawn. Other wrestlers came out stating, it was a rumor due to hatred for shawn back then and some even apologized. Dutch needs stories for views

[@IronDiva]

Is this a wrestling show or the National Enquirer?

[@Az__T]

Explains the eye. Vince "poked" him.

[@dallas317]

Awful video. Oh, yeah! jesus is king!

[@thenextlevel112]

You're American you should be used to disgusting people like trans

[@spectrumlocalb191]

I HEARD THAT RUMORS HAVE JAMES AS BISEXUAL I KNOW HE HAS A WIFE BUT IF YOU NOTICE HE ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT SEXUAL ACTIVITIES BETWEEN GUYS LIKE SHAWN AND VINCE MCMAHON?

[@jameskelly5672]

Shawn and Vince,Pat Patterson got some broke back mountain going on.

[@acork7601]

Of course they were.

[@iscariot666]

Dutch sounds like he’s running from God.

[@VeronikaGama]

It’s hard to run from something that doesn’t exist

[@robertwilkinson4435]

​@@VeronikaGama you are a fool saying that

[@LordBalin]

@@VeronikaGama bingo

[@SpaceshipRocketFuel]

​@@Batis_Patikilyeno-one's reading all that bollocks 😂

[@VeronikaGama]

@@robertwilkinson4435 you mean “you’re?” And whys that? Because I know he and all the other gods in religion don’t exist.

[@mrT-qp1mf]

I feel Dutch has missed something here. Vince actually fired sean in his rockers days him and Janetty. So he wasn't untouchable then. So imo something happened on Sean's accent up the card. I mean u think Sean has dirt on vince so much so vince payed him for 4 years for doing nothing. Stating he didn't want wcw getting him? More like your scared of what the drug addict might say about you. Sean has dirt on vince and with what's coming out. It's obvious what sort of dirt it was.

[@jaritime1406]

Naw Shawn was plaing on the Injury BUT WWE wouldn't reliease him as he clearly wanted to go to WCW he was hanging out back stage there at this time he meet his wife (She did turn his life around). WWF Brought WCW in 2001 and his contract was coming up in 2002.. Shockingly he got better and back in the ring at that time

[@ERICARCIERI-t1x]

If you watch the royal rumble where Shawn Michaels beats Sid visious in San Antonio I think after he wins he gets up on the table and shakes his behind in Vince face like a stripper so who knows it's definitely possible

[@Junk_Yogurt]

Scott Hall and Kevin Nash talked about Vince telling them about his "first homosexual experience" so we know Vince is bisexual. Also, look at the way HBK and Vince embrace backstage when he put him into the hall of fame. There's a serious connection between the way they hug and look at each other that appears more than just friendship.

[@anthonystark4135]

It’s called a fatherly bond Vince has even said it before and especially at Shawn’s appreciation night on raw that he felt like Shawn’s dad and then said “I just want to say I love you son” Shawn is an extended family member to all the McMahon’s

[@SightsandSoundsofEastTen-rd2nt]

Dutch Mantell: "Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story!" Also Dutch Mantell: "I don't want to hear it!!!" Not hard to figure out what's going on here.

[@kingkold]

Truth not fairytales

[@SightsandSoundsofEastTen-rd2nt]

Yeah, he'd rather hear the fairytales.

[@kingkold]

@SightsandSoundsofEastTen-rd2nt so you're mad that dutch doesn't follow a middle eastern religion. That Europeans hijacked. Only for American to pervert it with American ideals 🥰

[@crazypainter56]

who was the pitcher and who was the catcher-???-----------LMAO

[@LordSnarff]

Vince like it the caboose

[@fredverdugo5034]

Vince was putting his chocolate in Sean Michael’s peanut butter

[@Jared40]

VKM is not gay end of story😒

[@meekrob]

Maybe folks are confusing Vince with Pat Patterson? It's weird.

[@matt6sic651]

No, he just likes taking dumps on peoples heads and shit

[@EdwardDean-pz5db]

Pictures of HBK n Pat Patterson's porn pictures

[@darknessandlife777]

Vince: "Scott, have I ever told you about my first Gay experience?" Scott Hall: "First? There was more than one?" Cope harder.

[@theonewhostandsaboveall6826]

@@darknessandlife777he told that to Scott? Wouldn’t put it past him

[@jayonlinemaster]

That Cigar is so gross

[@WMW011387]

Sting and AJ Styles are religious but you don't hear bad stuff about them. Shawn is a douche but you're defining a group by the worst in the bunch.

[@jamie.777]

Vince would $hit on shawns forehead for a push

[@mkultra5752]

Vince was top and shawn bottom

[@jd9119]

I've heard people refer to Shawn as "H-B-GAY"

[@alberts1985]

😂 clever blokes

[@QuothTheRavenclaw11]

What's with all of the zealots in the comment section today?

[@McLovin_2007]

Shawn was young and athletic in the 90s, so I can see why people would be attracted to him. But who would bang Vince? (Picture me coughing and vomiting).

[@vinceraven1501]

Honestly, this is actually reappearing again as well I remember reading something just like this around 20 or so years ago.... Michaels also devoted time to his own promotion & even competed while he was gone during those several years.

[@thebaneking4787]

Shawn was Vince’s David Lee Roth. Pat Patterson was the finger up the rung test you had to pass during massages. I swear “Fighting Tommy Riley” was based on Shawn and Pat.

[@naturallawman2965]

Dutch has had some tragedy in his life. He's got real heat with God, for real reasons. Let it be.

[@OrionOodama]

A hunching theory back in the mid-to-latter 1990s. After all, Shawn was the lead executioner of the Screwjob. And then in WWE documentary "Rivals", there's a previously-unreleased footage of Shawn displaying tantrums after Stone Cold won the WWE title in post-WM14 press coverage (that time, no one knows if it was a gimmick or real). Maybe Shawn is upset losing the belt despite his nagging back. Maybe Shawn thought his "relationship" with Vince would be good enough to spare him not losing the title -- then becoming a hindrance to Steve Austin's unprecedented rise.

[@DRV404]

I wouldn't be surprised at this point from any of these clown wannabe athletes

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

Right on, Dutch.

[@mcwhorter141mcwhorter8]

If Dutch is waiting on a perfect person to tell him about God he's got a rough road ahead of him.

[@KClouisville]

I get the impression he doesn't want anyone to tell him about god. He's a grown man that can read...if he wanted to or wants to find information he can seek it out himself.

[@theonewhostandsaboveall6826]

Yeah, see the thing is he’s older in life too, so I know he has some good tales and has probably developed some wisdom. However, his true wisdom is definitely gonna have to come from God and he’s going to realize his money and power that he’s accrued over life will not help him from tragedy and crisis. Only the Lord can pray for his health and his wife Help has to think about their eternity

[@stevejamieson8468]

Honky Tonk Man has made reference to Shawn being Vince's boytoy. Brian Clark aka Adam Bomb referenced Shawn being kept around for more than his in ring work by Pat & Vince. Hawk based upon what he saw thought it was real possibility that Shawn was doing special favors to stay at the top of the card. Maybe there could be truth to him being the Career Carpet Kid?

[@DrHDoofenshmirtzphd]

So you are saying Vince blew out Shawn's back?

[@rob1979]

Yeah, Vince used his genetic jackhammer on hbk 😂😂😂

[@geraldedouard8102]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@rmcdudmk212]

Not just his back. 😂

[@Queenlunaloveswolfking]

I've heard stories about that 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@johnbollinger6080]

I tell religious people to keep it to themselves and stop trying to brainwash others with their beliefs.

[@McLovin_2007]

You should hold yourself to your own rules.

[@dallas317]

Maybe just don't bring it up period.

[@McLovin_2007]

@@dallas317 Ok, you first.

[@jeff-ds2pr]

I agree but on the other side, I tell gay people to keep their sex lives and their queer lifestyles to themselves.

[@Jimbeam151]

Shawn's back injury was due to Vince blowing Shawn's back out on the casting couch.

[@SelahEspiritual]

Right on, Dutch. I don't wanna hear that bullshit either. Take it somewhere else.

[@jim217ful]

They were lovers

[@matthewalkman386]

It’s so disgusting but I think it’s possible Pat and Shawn might’ve happened; and Pat probably pressured Shawn into it

[@jaws848]

Well one thing can't be denied....Michaels was ALWAYS vince "Golden boy" who could do no wrong.......and wirh all the recent revelations about vince i wouldn't be surprised

[@GLJosh]

"Golden boy" so what you are allegedly saying is the HBK could have been Vince's "#1 boy"?

[@ediddy2497]

Golden Shower

[@jingalls9142]

​@@GLJoshthere no fooling you is there?

[@jaws848]

@@GLJosh there is no "could have been" about it....he WAS his no 1 boy......its a well known fact that Mcmahon let Michaels run riot and do what ever he wanted without any repercusions or consequences......as to why i have no idea.

[@jaws848]

@@ediddy2497 would surprise me about that either considering how much of a perv Vince is

[@johnm3907]

He posed for playgirl. And like bret said, women dont buy playgirl.

[@popachellione6799]

Real-life experiences are, most of the time, better spiritually than what is in the Bible. Mr. Mantell does not need the Hallelujah stuff.

[@Ordo76]

These religious fanatics are ruining the comment section today 😂

[@Hangingwithfarrah]

Everyone kissing gods ass thinking there going to heaven

[@leetheleo9602]

It is strange how much Vince dealt with when it came to Shawn. He was never built like the guys Vince saw as top guys, but he was certainly treated like he was.

[@allencollins5666]

Wrestlers Had To Sleep With Him To Become WWE Superstars. I Found Out About In 25 yrs ago. It Mostly Started In The Mid 90’s

[@PatBrooks-u6w]

There's no such thing as "getting religion". Christians are not Mormons. Mormons are not Buddhists. Buddhists are not Muslims. Etc., etc.

[@meekrob]

Yeah but they're all deluded.

[@BigDaddyCola]

Bruce Prichard revealed years ago on his podcast that circa 96 shawn had a rich money mark fan that gave him money as a gift or in a will that made shawn absurdly rich. This coincided with shawns absence, along with the drugs and back issues. Shawn also has guaranteed money on wwf contract. Shawn only came back in the 2000s when his contract ran out and wwf forced him to get to work.

[@ryanvannice7878]

Dutch's loooong pause after being asked the question said so much more than his actual words.

[@christhornycroft3686]

All I know is, business got bad when HBK was at the top of the cards and if he hadn’t gotten injured/become a drug addicted mess after Bret was kicked out, WCW might have won the War. Shawn wasn’t going to put Steve Austin over in 1998 if he wasn’t leaving. Shawn was the only smaller guy besides Bret that got pushed in that era and of the 2, we know who drew more money and got more guys over. Shawn kicked Vader, a monster in WCW, in the head on PPV. Bret got Austin, The Rock, Waltman and others over. While Shawn was willing to take the company down with him to feed his ego, Bret was doing what was right for business, win or lose.

[@Flytotheangels]

The ratings declined under Shawn, but didn’t the attendance gate actually go up alittle when he was champion compared to diesel?

[@janitorbiesel3183]

@@Flytotheangels yes, attendance did go up from Diesel. And, Shawn was having better matches than anything that was on WCW at the time. The NWO was drawing a lot of viewers, but NWO matches were really crappy, looking back at it. Nothing but run-ins. So, i personally dont fault Shawn as champion. It was just a 90's cultural thing that got TV viewers switching to WCW.

[@Flytotheangels]

@@janitorbiesel3183 I agree completely. The best matches hogan, nash, and hall ever had were in the wwf. Hogan turning heel for the first time ever was so big, I never thought it was fair to fault Shawn for low ratings during that time his gate draw was kinda keeping the lights on to a certain extent

[@andrewmachado6988]

I always found it funny Vince apparently despised Louie Spicoli for being a drug addict meanwhile Shawn and the rest of his “tree house Kliq” buddies were all pilled out of their minds all the time. Nash said they used to take a handful of somas before going out to the ring and they would “go home” just as they were starting to kick in.

[@brianthomas3451]

Dutch playing it safe with his weak answers

[@dbone3356]

Obviously. There's no other reason Shawn would have gotten away with the shit he did, otherwise.

[@TheWhackyIraqi]

“I’m just a sexy boy. I’m not your boy toy!” Lol the signs were there.

[@jeff-ds2pr]

Quite possibly the gayest ring entrance music of all time. Sounds like something you would hear blasting in the background at a gay strip club.

[@bigcally5567]

I know HBK and Vince were POS but wouldn't surprise me if people made it up as they were jealous of him being the bosses favourite

[@jeremiahthompson8951]

Or maybe it's just true. Are you homophic? Lol

[@Edddddddddie]

He was vince’s boy toy 😂

[@austindanquer2936]

damn so shawn was vinny macs lil boy toy? 🤢

[@timburr4453]

Where there's smoke there's fire. Plus Pat Patterson was around as well and we all know what he was about

[@RaymondReigns]

Rumor has it under all the born again bullshit HBK is still the same person he always was

[@crossface7770]

the "losing his smile" shawn got beat up in Syracuse NY at a bar by a bunch of soldiers for hitting on some girls , so couldnt wrestle after..and he did smash his lower back on that edge of the casket vs Taker, that messed his back up pretty good.

[@justint8635]

Did he really get beat up though? That's been contested

[@Nostalgia9478]

Nope. Chickenbottom lost his smile in 1997. Syracuse was 1995. Youre conflating McMoustache paid his boytoy 750 k a year from 1998-2002 to sit home with that FAKE back injury

[@bradleylepper]

​@@justint8635 yes he did, he showed up on raw with a nice black eye. What's contested is if it was one or a bunch of marines I believe it was one personally 😂

[@petebagwell6666]

I heard it was sailors

[@cajunasian71]

One Marine. He kept hitting on his girlfriend and got his arse handed to him. Other wrestlers (like Davey Boy) stayed back as there were other Marines at the bar.

[@knifeandfork821]

Personally I think that Shawn Michaels was having sex with Vince McMahon and his associates in exchange for top billing in the show. In fact I'd take it a step further and say that a lot of the top guys in the company like Triple H , The Rock and many others did the same . Far too many wrestlers have come out with far too many stories about performers having to have sex with higher ups in the company to either progress in the WWF or just keep their place there ( Rowdy roddy piper straight up said that he was forced to have sex with Pat Patterson at one point) so the heart break kid sleepiing with the boss isn't that far fetched. That would definitely explain why his image is centred around being a manly , hyper masculine sex symbol - its to throw off that gay scent .

[@adamirishconundrum851]

Honky Tonk Man said it the best about Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon

[@Teddy42O]

HBK was Vince McMahon's "Boy Toy" in the 90's 😂

[@SynDC6]

Poor Sherri! Lol

[@rmcdudmk212]

There was a reason Vince liked when he wore those lather chaps 😂