DWe Review

[@65Drums]

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[@jujoboha]

Way out of my price range, but can't wait to see this technology trickle down!

[@65Drums]

That's the best part of flagships, they spend R&D money on the hard to do tech first, and later when it's cheap and figured out, it trickles down to lower end drums

[@bucknaked31]

I’ve had it for years… I bought Versatriggers…

[@65Drums]

@@bucknaked31 Versatrigger existed yes, I have one too. But did it have positional sensing on the snare? Pitch bending? Snare throw off? I'm not saying that's all necessary, but DW is bringing more stuff to the table than wireless only

[@mikeydreadmastalski4345]

It's got to be some sorta magic...

[@bucknaked31]

@@65Drums It was going to have positional sensing, but development stopped when DW got involved. It was a big letdown for me, but I assumed that I would be able to buy the DW version soon… had no idea it would take years, though. I was working on a snare throw off, but pitch bending wasn’t on the radar at that point.

[@michaelschack]

Hi Justin, as usual a super high quality & truthful review! The Roland engineers in Japan continue working on those little things you mentioned. And more :-) Hope to see you again soon - it's been a while. Kudos for what you keep on contributing to the e-drum community!!

[@MrBPJS]

Hoi Michael, hoe houdt de wireless connection stand wanneer er veel andere draadloze systemen aanwezig zijn? Zijn daar resultaten van? grts P

[@thedrumdoctor]

Brilliant job! You're a natural at this and I'm not surprised DW lent you this for a review. They're right to take you as a serious voice and you remain my No.1 go-to channel for product opinion.

[@sammcdouall4849]

Good honest review Justin. Watching the online reviews it sounds like the hi-hat, crashes & ride don't have enough multi layered samples, I can hear the cymbals machine gunning.

[@vanessaadams3500]

On my wish list !!!😎

[@hamjam4]

Yes to the part 2! Very interested to know the smaller details of this kit.

[@wouldstock1]

Ya,Iike how the conversion to acoustic goes.

[@billmarshall2536]

As you stated, this set is only for a small percentage of drummers due to the price, but 100% of e-drummers would love to go wireless (with little to no latency). Great review, as always!

[@earldrum]

Absolutely the best review of this product that I have seen to date! Great work! This review really dissected the pros and cons of this kit and ekits in general.

[@angelorasmijn7306]

This is the best review I viewed so far. Great job!

[@dankenton]

Great review- would like to see you use and record this with another drum library like Superior Drummer.

[@Edrumcenter]

Very good review Justin!

[@65Drums]

thanks!

[@paradiddle5150]

Thanks Justin!

[@fredturatti]

Excellent video, thank you. You were unbiased, comprehensive, and accurate. You have the best e-drum channel on KZbin. Thank you for your service to drummers everywhere.

[@josephludwig1126]

1st, Justin, your playing has much improved over the years since I have been watching your videos. This technology will eventually make it affordable for all. Thank You

[@phoon74]

You serious? Technically he's still really not very good, but he obviously researches e-drums very well. His presentation is top notch, but a shame he can't back it up with his playing. Just my opinion of course ;)

[@reread2549]

Thank you for doing such a detailed review considering the limited time you have the drum set. You discovered flaws other reviewer’s had skipped over. Thank you again.

[@matthewgray713]

This is the 3rd review video I've seen on this kit and you answered all the questions that the other reviews left me wondering about. Great job Justin! I think I'll be sticking with my VAD-506 with SSD5.

[@matthewpaluch777]

FINALLY!!! The 1 review I've been looking for! Thanks Justin.

[@johndef5075]

The review we've been waiting for! Thanks Justin!

[@rockon856]

Thanks for your video Justin ! Loved it

[@user-ny3rk8cr1t]

Hey man, I'm a big fan. It goes back to watching your early videos years ago. All thanks to you and your videos I was able to buy my first e-kit. The DWe video from some other channel popped up in my yt feed. As soon as I saw that DWe launch is here, I searched for your channel to understand everything. Thanks once again for being such a help. All the very best.

[@napoleonsmith3028]

Thank you for making this video Justin! I’m always happy to see your videos

[@drummer93uk]

Hopefully they do a more affordable version of this e-kit with their PDP drums line-up 🥁

[@mypetdrgn]

Really appreciate the honest review and never a sales pitch. Interested IF there’ll be a 2nd gen

[@65Drums]

I hope so, there's a lot of potential here. But it's still a gen 1 product at the end of the day

[@caseyschultheis]

best video on this ekit I have seen so far. all my questions are awnswerd! Can't wait for a lower cost version.

[@ThePowerchimp]

Great review. I never buy the 'worlds first' of any product category, as they inevitably improve so it was great to hear that philosophy from someone else! I also appreciate you going in depth on the pros and cons of metal e-cymbals, something Ive long wanted manufacturers to nail. Questions for follow up / to test before the kit goes back...: 1. Is there any reason the kit needs a full size acoustic shell design? Could the tech work equally well in low profile/pad based configuration? 2. Does the wireless ecosystem make wireless headphones viable now? With everything routed to a computer rather than a module, can you use regular airpods, bluetooth headsets etc for lag free reliable use? Thanks again!

[@daltonidaho]

I'd love to pair these drums with my Roland cymbals! DW did an outstanding job with this release. Love the wireless capability and it sounds great. Can't wait to see how they continue to tweak and improve over the years.

[@EDCaub]

That will be possible. They are selling the shellpacks by themselves as well.

[@arsonne]

These things sound amazing. The only thing I could possibly ask for with these is same kind of mesh heads pearl uses. Love that stiffer mesh

[@genisis53]

Great review! Thanks for all the work that went into this

[@gregthegroove]

I’m veryyyyyyy impressed with this kit. I did this exact thing with my DW Collectors series kit. I converted it and played that kit with both a 2Box module and the Pearl Mimic Pro. I love it. This is good stuff. Those cymbals look awesome and fun to play.

[@marv6424]

I really appreciate the extreme high quality and balance in your reviews.

[@TransgenderTalkTime]

Nice shout out to Fork’s. I absolutely love that shop. Great staff, amazing stock and it is a drum lovers true heaven.

[@rando_SC]

I'd love to see the wireless version of this with the VAD 506/507 shells and rubber cymbals. Maybe in a couple of years they'll bring it down to a lower price point with "crappy" shells.

[@benjamini25]

ePDP-Drum kit is coming soon... 😅

[@BrettVano]

As someone brand new to edrumming with a TD27, it's mind blowing to learn about the other stuff that's out there. Nice review. Thanks.

[@troublesomecorsair]

9:28 I like that you put a Prophet-6 in the slide instead of a Korg microPiano 61

[@brentsutherland]

Very detailed review. Thank you for breaking this down. Am considering this set so your thoughts are helpful, especially the truthful comments on the cymbals. Will find somewhere to test it out in person.

[@drummeranimal]

Love this review, Justin. You covered most of my thoughts about a wireless edrum kit. ❤

[@spyrosmagliveras8851]

Congrats on the video! This was a very difficult product to present and you did a great job. Very objective and realistic when highlighting the pros and cons. I think DW made a huge bet on this one. The price range is extremely high and I think many drummers will think twice before making such a big investment on such a new (and undoubtely cool) wireless technology.

[@W3ndigX]

Wow, I'm really sold on some of the features of this kit. Pitch bending, throw-off and the high end shell pack are awesome. I would love to have a trigger that allowed pitch bending on my kit.

[@rasakiayodele7479]

High end shell pack is a plus only if you want to buy a stupid expensive acoustic kit just to use it as an electronic kit. Personally, I already have a nice acoustic kit I prefer.

[@yinYangMountain]

Part of the cost solution was to make this DWe kit available in a less expensive DW shell pack. And, in the future, there is no reason Roland (who owns DW) can't put those 'basket-type' sensors inside the VAD shells.

[@Shug1145]

Yeah

[@Bill-vy3fx]

This set is outrageous, its electric & a DW acoustic. Nothing is better than this.

[@miguelelasmar]

Excellent review. I command DW for trying this and pushing the envelope, however I don’t see a big market for this kit. The eAcoustic hybrids are a tough sell, they’re really not ideal for either use no matter how you slice it, even with Collector shells. The wireless is impressive and it must be a lot of fun, but yeah, unlikely to set the industry on fire or to be seen live ar a club next to you. Again, great review.

[@chaindrums]

Amazing review as always! Impresive kit and the fact that they are premium DW shells and one can easily convert into acustic e such a great ideia. I hope this comes to less expensive kits!

[@sarinsahil]

This is an excellent direction for e-drums to move in. For someone playing live this brings the best of electronic drums, looks and the easiest setup possible, ever. No cables about it! I am quite excited see how this will evolve in its upcoming iterations. Personally speaking I think this one lays a solid foundation for the evolution. Being a tech yourself, what do you think Justin? P.S I am coming from a place where the biggest tours in the world are mostly reliant on the hybrid approach, more of electronics and triggering pre-made sounds .... a lot less reliant on actual acoustic drums for the mix.

[@WillBeavis]

Superb review! Very honest & informative. Thanks Justin 👍

[@K3NH]

Justin. You're the beast. They should be picking you for a tester before they send out to the market. Cheers M8!

[@nicksintos5232]

Been waiting all morning for your review! 🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@65Drums]

Thanks! I was a bit late, but wanted to get it right

[@ikigai47]

Amazing! Finally some real evolution

[@charlesrocks]

This sounds fantastic. Those dynamics are very realistic.

[@stofzuigzakkie45]

ohhhh man! I am so excited for this wireless stuff to be more affordable over the years. im a left-handed drummer and I can only dream of easily sharing an e-kit with right-handed people

[@DouglasLippi]

Very interesting, great video. I am not an early adopter when $10k is on the line. Will watch its progress eagerly.

[@gualtercouto]

I love your reviews dude! Really looking forward to trying the cymbals! It's so COOL that they have 360-degree sensitivity and can free spin with no cables. Someone finally came up with a wireless system...the cable management on my drum kit is a nightmare haha

[@grooveincorporated]

Great video as always Justin. Yeah the noise of the metal cymbals is the deal breaker for me, but I'm sure it will suit gigging drummers

[@progression_decibel]

Wonderful and insightful review as always Justin! I wholeheartedly agree with a lot of your points, especially with the cymbals and target audience. Look forward to the wireless technology trickling down to other Roland kits and pads. A couple of fun facts: you can purchase the Soundworks VST and expansion libraries through Roland Cloud Manager, the kits were recorded with something like 15 mics, and there will be a few dot revisions of firmware coming as this thing is released/bought. If Pearl ever gets their act back together and matures the ePro Live kits paired with the Mimic Pro module, it would be an interesting commerce battle. I'm not holding my breath though, sadly. Hoping to give these a go at NAMM if the company gets a booth.

[@SoonerThunderFan]

lol when is the last time DW didn't have a booth? They have every year I've gone, I skipped some COVID years though.

[@progression_decibel]

@@SoonerThunderFan I was at winter NAMM this past April 2023 and they were not there. Hoping they and/or Roland will be this coming January 2024 NAMM.

[@youngguns996]

Great Review Justin! I'd love to buy one, but I'll wait until they sort out all the bugs.

[@ChrisBakerDrummer]

great review man... nicely done

[@TheInOrIn]

Great in-depth review, as always…

[@65Drums]

Thanks!

[@Lemordison92]

The first step towards the evolution of electronic drums impressive as Roland always does especially in the e drums category.

[@mikosoft]

Well this is tech that Roland bought with DW and they themselves bought it. So yea, not really a Roland innovation in this case

[@Lemordison92]

@@mikosoft You are wrong my friend first ever wireless drums with no cable's and removable🔋 the next evolution first we have xlr inputs lately we have 3 usb inputs on electronic drums now this is the next step from Roland that's why he bought dw and the future is brighter then ever.

[@anthonycousins1162]

Great review! I love high-end drums and would buy an instrument like this in a heartbeat! 🥁

[@1977eliasfigueroa]

Great DEEP Review, as always!!!

[@RunningInSuits]

I’d love to see a comparison of this kit vs the vad706 with superior drummer.

[@rioborzeli147]

Your right about the cost, that said ...😀😀🤘🤘🤘NO CABLES, No more bad ends, no more re splicing , no more routing all cables all over and plugging into wrong inputs lol. Old times. Love the wireless also love it works with mac, The price is not that bad for the convenience . Very nice

[@egigar8520]

For me what has worked the best is to use electronic pads and acoustic cymbals with overhead mics. For live performance.

[@marcusdrums_hh]

Great Video again! How is the Hi-Hat compared to the Roland VH-14D?

[@65Drums]

Roland and then EFNOTE are the kings at the moment in the hihat world

[@johnpietrolaj8917]

Awesome review!!

[@drummermomcjs]

It totally makes sense now why Roland bought DW. If they had a whiff of this kit and the tech in this kit, then Roland had to jump on this. It shall be interesting how things progress in the next few years on the ekit front now that this has come out. I am a little surprised that you didn't cover how long it takes to change it from an ekit to an acoustic kit and from an acoustic kit back to an ekit. If you could, do a video on that, and on the availability of user ekits vs preset kits and how many preset kits does it come with? Thanks Justin for another great video review.

[@MrTdg2112]

Love to get more look into the software module and the sounds it comes with. But I'm impressed with what they did here with the wireless. I could see others getting some competition out there in a few years, and that would be nice.

[@shiznatz1]

One of the major selling points for this kit is that you can easily remove the electronics and have a top of the line DW acoustic kit to play. How practical is that application, and could the electronics be moved to a different kit with similar results?

[@EverythingWithEric]

I’d be interested in buying the triggers, hardware/software to upgrade my Design series

[@TheLeftistOwl]

I just recently played this at a local store and I could not tell a difference in latency between this and my kit at home. This is definitely going on my wishlist and if they ever sell the trigger system or the module separately, I'm going to get it piecemeal. It is so much more convenient than my current kit and would be my forever kit.

[@cd-vq6dz]

you do the best videos online about e drums I've seen Justin. I just watched a video about e drums that was suppose to be a sort of introductory roundtable discussion about e drums and the differences between e drums and acoustic by Drumeo, and it was total f'ing garbage. Nothing about hot spots, nothing about what happens when or if you break a head or cymbal, nothing to really speak of in regards to understanding a module if you've never used e drums etc. What I did get from those fools was close to an HOUR of jokes, an inability (on the rare occasion they did get into specifics) to stay on a specific topic or concept, nothing about potential durability issues, and instead a whole lot of their opinions on what each of them personally liked or didn't like about e drums. In other words, a TOTAL waste of time. I wanted to thank you personally for taking so much time in your videos, being thorough, and realizing that just because you know a whole lot about e drums, a lot of us still don't. I'm in my early 50's and I played very seriously for over 25 years, stopped for roughly 10 years, then came back to drumming. My body isn't the same (multiple surgeries etc), and because of that I'm considering an e kit. Your videos have been truly invaluable Justin. Keep up the good work. I wish you all the success in the world.

[@ricklang_drummer]

Good review Justin. The metal cymbals are probably a dealbreaker for many. I am however yet to be convinced that people would prefer having a "hybrid" kit like this one where they need to assemble/disassemble the kit (sort of) when they need to go acoustic and vice versa, over having a dedicated acoustic kit which is "just there", possibly along with a serious e-kit that has a solid reputation. Most drummers I know (including myself) have at least 3-4 acoustic kits. It's like buying 2-in-1 shampoo and conditioner. If people buy this kit I would presume it's primarily for it being an e-kit (and, of course, the groundbreaking wireless novelty being the USP). The other dealbreaker is the ability to connect this kit to other drum software VSTi:s. Here, the Soundworks software is basically the module sounds, so I would really hope there is a way to continue routing the outputs from the Soundworks software to Superior Drummer or other libraries (BFD, AD, SSD, NI, OWD, GGD ...). I tried to find some info on this but haven't. Will see Sweetwater Nick's walkthrough as well. Huge miss if that has been overlooked, even if I'm sure Soundworks is capable. I am more than happy to let the early adopters take this bullet.

[@482jpsquared]

The DW trigger interface is agnostic. You don't need to use the SoundWorks software. It produces MIDI signals and that means you can connect it to any drum module and any drum software.

[@michaelday6987]

What a killer set!

[@ajmpatriot4899]

It sounds great 👍

[@camrongray3406]

Very neat kit.

[@boinknook]

Well, this looks like the beginning of the end of wired module edrums. Eventually this is gonna be the new standard. It would be great if you can just install this in an existing shell pack. Also with 30 drums, the sky is the limit!

[@ChrisBealsProductions]

I’m assuming the snare throw off is applied to an FSR sensor and the pressure of the magnet turns snare sounds on/off OR simply a switch that the magnets engage? I’d also say that the “wireless feature” was added to the v1.0 to draw more attention out of the gate. Hardware-wise it’s probably okay. Firmware updates abound.

[@robrobertson2661]

I hope they will make a version that you can apply to your own, acoustic kit.

[@sembalo1776]

this seems really dope, id prolly personally get just the drums with some acoustic cymbals that would be a dream kit then again roland is also a god option. love that software aswell

[@stevebarnes9694]

Another stellar review. Straight fwd and helpful. Can you compare the hi hat to the VHD14D?

[@LordSnad0r]

Would love to hear your opinion on the durability of the materials and latency/lags or even sounds drops a bit more. Might be difficult to judge in such a short time window but from your experience maybe. The price is super steep so any acoustic die-hard early adopter would like to understand if warranty claims are a high risk here and/or whether the tech will be a little less unique in maybe half a year from now? Meaning, do you think that many of the other brand will now soon follow? My guess would he that dw has something that sets them far ahead of the competition which is qualitatively better for years to come, that would make the expense more future proof. Happy to hear your thoughts. Lastly, what about the differences in finishes and price for these variations? Where do they stem from?

[@davidgirtzOnAirMedia]

What a kit! Wish I could afford it…someday!!

[@kdw735]

I would just like the internals so I can retro fit my DW Collector. I don't take my ekit out to gig with because of all of the cables I'd have to deal with all the time.

[@matthewkitchens5796]

Go ahead, justin, I see you buddy, working on your fundamentals

[@65Drums]

lord knows I need it

[@ssvillcYt]

I’d love to see you going through sounds (not all obviously) but basically build your dream kit live with how it sounds along the way.

[@marcosdepaula3593]

In comparison to the VADs, how much louder or quieter are the actual drums? The cymbals seem to be much louder, but what about the drums?

[@tcellen2136]

SounDWorks is available right now by the way and works with any V-Drums kit too.

[@friedpicklezzz]

FINALLY some real innovation in eDrums land. I applaud DW for doing something new and exciting. Roland has been sitting on their asses for decades, only doing the bare minimum. They even sound like early 2000s tech. Price is a problem though. Hope they can revise that.

[@Tom-sd2vi]

Not the type of product I am interested in but it is exiting to finally see some serious technological innovation.

[@coder4liberty]

You might not need a super expensive audio interface to get individual outs for this. There are a few low priced digital mixers out there which could do the job including those made by Behringer and Soundcraft. There are also audio interfaces which may not have ten outputs but do have mixer software to do stems of drums (like all the toms on one output, all the cymbals on another). Several of the MOTU interfaces can do that.

[@65Drums]

Good point! Though I think the person who drops $10k on this set, will probably buy a expensive interface to go with it anyway

[@bucknaked31]

You are correct… I use SD3 into a Behringer X32. I originally used the USB built into the x32, but to get the latency down to an acceptable level, I had to use an RME Raydat and lightpipe into the x32 lightpipe card. Now it’s ridiculously low, but it cost a little over a grand to do it. The upside is that I have by far the lowest latency setup available…

[@coder4liberty]

@@65Drums Probably but as an audio engineer if it was me I would see a $1400 Apollo interface as major overkill. MOTU even has one which has just outputs that would be perfect for that.

[@coder4liberty]

@@bucknaked31 The ones I'm thinking of are the small rack mount mixers like the XR Behringer or the Soundcarft UI stuff which are well under $1000 and that's if you get them new.

[@bucknaked31]

@@coder4libertyThat’s all well and good, but the latency is terrible on those. When I said $1000, I wasn’t including the cost of the x32 because we already used that board as our main PA.

[@michaelk8642]

Fantastic review of this hi-tech drumset! Like you, I can't afford it, but it's just another option for those who can and eventually, the tech in this kit will filter down to other product lines and at a lower price.

[@cmd_f5]

Nice kit and sounds! I gotta say, glad to hear you can buy the sampler plugin as its own thing. Right now I'm just writing drums on a midi keyboard (sigh) . Really interested to see how this works out for DW. Ambitious indeed.

[@dericyoung6835]

Cam you use them as triggers while you have acoustic drum heads on it

[@BrandonMilner]

Spectacular review. Thorough and very very helpful. I was struck though by just how BAD those hi-hat and floor toms sounded. I’m really sensitive to that machine gun repetitive sample sound and that hi-hat sounded nothing like a real hat to me. Was it just the sound chosen?

[@reubenk7331]

Pretty cool stuff!

[@Tomtamo1]

I would like to know more about DAW setup, plugin vs standalone app, etc.

[@Fiascopia]

Fantastic review, thank you! I'd love to go wireless so my music corner does not feel as shackled to the laptop, coupled with a good control surface this could really be fantastic for a home studio. Price is kinda nuts when I have a TD-50 already and I think the cymbals would be too loud for my apartment but it's reaaaalllly tempting.

[@MikeLuke]

I am impressed, though. Wireless drums are a dream come true. I think for a touring drummer, this is the way to go due to the convenience that goes along with it. Probably would pair this on stage with acoustic cymbals, though. Yes, the price tag is pretty high - but ultimately you also get a full DW high-end acoustic shell pack included. Just remove the internal trigger system, put some Remo heads on it and you have DW Collector‘s series which alone would cost $3,500 and more. Thanks for the review Justin - and hope you‘re doing well.

[@65Drums]

Hey Mike long time no see, yeah it's a really interesting kit!

[@thomaskennydrums]

To be honest I think it being wireless absolutely kills its potential for use by touring drummers, since no matter how reliable a wireless system is, on any big tour I can't imagine any drummer wanting - or more importantly, engineer allowing - wireless instead of wired (especially for something as vital to the show as drums) and for smaller tours I can't see anyone using this either. It's incredibly expensive so likely beyond the budget of 99% of drummers (and even those who can afford it probably wouldn't bring something so valuable on tour with them) and it being the same size as an acoustic kit and requiring the exact same hardware loses the (relative) portability more standard electric kits have.

[@65Drums]

@@thomaskennydrums about the wireless angle, I understand what you're saying. But if wireless can't be used live, then why do I see guitar players using them instead of cables on stage? How come I'm handed a wireless In-Ear system before going on stage? These drums use 2.4ghz to transmit, similar to a monitor pack. About the price, yeah I have no argument on that. DW is the Gibson of drums. They both charge too much.

[@thomaskennydrums]

​@@65Drums ​ (I'm looking back at this just now and realising it accidentally turned into a bit of an essay haha) - Wireless can be used live, but there's no point using it unless it's actually needed and provides a significant advantage over wired, which isn't the case for drums. Guitarists benefit from wireless much more than drummers would given the risk of tripping/unplugging the cable, moving about on often large stages and regular guitar swaps. Drummers (and even more the drums themselves) don't need that mobility, and going wireless when you could go wired is just another potential point of failure both with latency and connection. I know drummers do use wireless in-ears (especially if they'd be getting up and down from the kit) but I also know a lot of drummers/engineers absolutely refuse to do anything but hardline for their ears as if the drummer loses track/click/the other instruments it's absolutely disastrous, and it's significantly more likely for that to happen with wireless (and harder to troubleshoot) than wired. In the case of a wholly electronic kit for a gig then I can't imagine any engineer allowing arguably the most important (or at least most obvious if it cuts out) instrument on stage to be needlessly wireless since it has zero need for mobility, and if it would just be some electronic drums as auxiliary sounds etc (where it wouldn't necessarily be world ending if they cut out), the extra ease and the appearance of wirelessness is irrelevant as it isn't hard to connect a 1/4" cable and everything else will have wired mics anyway. Even then, big tours aren't prioritising what is essentially laziness and minor aesthetic choices in not wanting to plug in or see cables over reliable, consistent sound. I can also imagine the receiver being pretty off-putting to any tech/engineer on a tour, as it's a pretty new proprietary technology so isn't as road-tested, probably less repairable/interchangeable/compatible with industry standard stuff, and more importantly, doesn't seem to have any capacity for redundancy which is absolutely vital for wireless on big tours. With regards to price, as expensive as these are, I think the price is fair (ish) to charge given that it is a Collector's series kit and brand new very impressive technology, it's just too expensive to afford for most people however fairly (ish) priced it is.

[@Worldpaintedblood-md2fw]

Been waiting for justin to review this product.

[@jonno509]

It would be kind of nice if you had a DB meter and compared rubber drums/cymbals to this just to get a gauge of the noise difference. but I really appreciate you tapping the cymbal so I could hear it.