The Best Type of Mouse to buy in 2023

[@DygmaLab]

What type of mouse are you currently using?

[@johnmay9598]

MX Vertical, for work anyway. When are you making an ergo mouse?

[@thenetpagan]

Trackball MX Ergo, I actually love it because I don't need a mouse pad or real state on my desk which I don't have 😂😂

[@katarixy]

The most ergonomic are the trackballs. I just wished they were wireless. I have the logi ergo and lift. I think the lift is the better one if it fits your hands. Anyway I’d love to see what dygma would make.

[@yediydeyah78]

The Logitech MX Ergo Plus with a third-party 40° tilt stand to make the total degree of tilt 60°. I want to try the Elecom Huge - but I am not sure how well I will adjust to a finger operated trackball

[@yediydeyah78]

@@katarixy who makes the Lift?

[@Myr0n]

The absolute best tip I can give (as someone with 10+ years of Carpel Tunnel) is to switch it up. I switch between a Logitech Lift and Kensington Expert for work, and occasionally Razor Orochi V2 for gaming. Using any of those continuously hurts my hands, but this fixed it.

[@DygmaLab]

Nice, never sticking with one single position is the main suggestion we see around, super good! 😉 We also see a lot of those saddle chairs that has the main purpose of making you feel uncomfortable so you can change position often 😻

[@sinocelt]

@@DygmaLab ​ @DygmaLab Hey, I like saddle chairs. You just need to add a lot of padding. I once saddled a rolled blanket on a leaning stool, and it was the best: It allowed me to lean forward with my whole body rather than at the waist, which increased my focus without hurting my back. I was quite comfy... until the rolled blanket got compacted by my weight into something less like a cushion and more like a piece of wood. I should try sitting on coal next time. (Yes, I know, diamonds aren't _really_ made from coal subjected to high pressure.)

[@Tendee]

Raise your hand if you're hyped for the dygmouse!

[@DygmaLab]

🙋🙋‍♂️🙋‍♀️

[@eillich]

Came looking for information. Found high quality entertainment. And information.

[@DygmaLab]

That's how we do it at Dygma! 😎

[@Vleerik]

The MX Ergo trackball has an option to tilt it more, to reduce pronation and a button to switch pointer speed to counter both issues presented in the video. Been using it for a few months now, wouldn't go back and can't wait to use it with my Defy in the future!

[@DygmaLab]

Nice! Thank you for sharing that information with us. We can't wait to start delivering some Defys to everyone 🥰📦

[@Cruzdeonnaify]

I use the LIFT Logi mouse. Game Changer! Night & Day! Baby, Night & Day! I use to have such bad wrist/ arm pain. I would wear different wrist support or an elbow. It took no time getting use to. It came so naturally that was the true bouns. It even has Features like the buttons that you can customize. Who ever thought, huh. I didnt even think i would like this but i love it. Cut, paste, toggling is on a whole another level. Lol, I love the old school mouse. When we play jokes on each other in the office, We we would steal each other's ball out of the mice. For the laser mouse we would put a post it on the bottom so it would not work.

[@DygmaLab]

Oooo pranks for the office??? **takes notes** 📝🧐

[@Ilsyde]

Entertaining and interesting video. Subbed. I'm using a regular mouse (G502) but at the same time trying to play as many games on a controller as possible. When browsing i.e. don't require super precision I tilt my forearm to 60 degrees or so. Because I naturally tip-grip and my palm is now sideways, the sides of my fingers rest on the mouse buttons.

[@DygmaLab]

Thanks a lot! In regards to what you mention for the mouse when you navigate, it might be the time to test a trackball or a vertical mouse when browsing. Since those intend to keep the hand in that position, it might feel more natural. If you keep using the 502 with the side of the hand on the desk, you might end up maging weird stretches to reach buttons 😅

[@duartecunhaleao]

On the trackball species, I'm considering the index-finger-tracking Kensington Slimblade Pro. It's super thin, allowing it to be flexibly placed, and combined, in one's setup.

[@DygmaLab]

Looks nice! I think some people on our Discord channel have it... 😍

[@yediydeyah78]

@duartecunhaleao - I have considered the same 🙂 (but wasn't turned on to the fact if using the trackball as a scrolling wheel) along with the Kensington Expert Mouse Wireless Trackball and the Elecom Huge (yes - I know about the need to replace the rollerballs 😉)

[@em4me-Dan]

Been using the Evoluent Vertical Mouse since it first came out over twenty years ago. Though some have complained about the sensor I have had no issues as of yet. Thank you "Team Dygma" for another informative video. I am thinking of a new "Indiana Dominique" movie. Love ❤that hat👍. Saludos a todos desde Nueva York🗽.

[@DygmaLab]

Nice, we've reviewed that one on our video review of mice, great to hear that it suits your needs. In the end, this is really what matters 😅

[@jburnash]

This was very useful *and* entertaining. I actually thought I knew who the inventor of the mouse was (I thought Alan Kay) but I was mistaken. Alan Kay refined the mouse itself and basically sold Apple on the concept. Well done!

[@DygmaLab]

Thanks 🫶

[@yediydeyah78]

I'm one of the trackball fans that was referenced in the video 😂 PLEASE Dygma be sure to come out with both a proper ergonomic mouse AND a proper ergonomic trackball. I exclusively use trackballs and I would love to have a well thought out trackball from Dygma to compliment my Dygma Defy (which I know I won't receive until August/September 😀)

[@DygmaLab]

Oh we would love to work on one of those... We have some mystery devices in the oven 🤫

[@yediydeyah78]

@@DygmaLab Good to know. I know that a mouse is in the oven for sure (you've made too many videos on mice to suggest otherwise 😉 😉 😉). For a 🖲️ (trackball) - maybe get feedback from the community on the design and interest. I will HAPPILY volunteer to be a beta tester for a trackball 😅😅

[@senritsujumpsuit6021]

Gameball is an insane mouse it has a mosern sensor six programable buttons an a scroll wheel around the ball Frib has tins of viseos gaming with it ​@@yediydeyah78

[@block3732]

Hey, you guys should make a trackpoint module for your dygma keyboards. You could even have one on both halves and add extra functionality to it. It's the perfect combination! It isn't the best for every use case, but it does well on a lot of them and it doesn't take any extra space, you can have both the trackpoint and another mouse solution on your setup!!

[@DygmaLab]

Those are great ideas and we thought about those in the past. We've some mystery devices cooking on the oven and will announce them in the future🤐

[@block3732]

@@DygmaLab ehhh, that's BIG NEWS! Looking forward to it 🔥

[@lytsuei]

There is another device not mentioned in the video - the TABLET! Holding a pen is way more ergonomic than the posture on all other devices, and the tablet allows both fast and percise movements without much forearm movement.

[@DygmaLab]

Ooohhh that's a good point! ✍️

[@blacklistnr1]

Interesting that a keyboard-only company has done mouse research. *foreshadowing*

[@DygmaLab]

Soon ™️ 🤐

[@Zivhayr]

It will be the Best mouse to buy 2024 ;)

[@notsofast60]

I used vertical mice for a few years but love trackball mice and use them exclusively. For work i use the logi mx ergo tilted to 22 degrees. I've gone through a few logi m570's. I also love the nulea M501 from Amazon.

[@DygmaLab]

Mice with trackball are such a great option! If it fits your needs, it can be awesome to avoid some unnecessary movements 💪

[@Dale-TND]

do u have any Nygma?

[@06jrz]

The Straw hat, the red shirt, I'm getting major Luffy vibes this video

[@DygmaLab]

Sorry for the wrong answer before 🥴 It does bring a lot of One Piece vibes to it... right on time for the live-action ❤️

[@laughingvampire7555]

to me the master mx was a huge relief after using the magic mouse, now I use an elecom deft pro trackball, the trick with trackballs is making the pointer faster, at least for me, I can move the pointer from the left side of one 4k monitor to the right side of the second 4k monitor in a single flick.

[@DygmaLab]

Trackballs has a lot of advantages for sure, and one of them is the speed and of course, its ergonomy 💪

[@lawrenceneri2412]

great review, great insights! Super helpful.

[@DygmaLab]

🫶

[@realderek]

Waiting for the Dygmouse.

[@DygmaLab]

We'll get there, working on it as we speak 🤫

[@Tendee]

@@DygmaLab Will it be light, have adjustable debounce, and be comfortable enough for office and high performance gaming? Super exited for it.

[@DygmaLab]

🤐

[@Nephtys1]

Maybe a third video about mouse movement emulation by the keyboard would be nice to finalize the collection. I am somewhat interested in that but never found someone actually using it for real.

[@DygmaLab]

Nice! This is something we should bring to the channel, thank you for the suggestion. We have some Dygmates on our Discord channel that transitioned to no mouse at all and they use the mouse keys emulation on their Raise 💡

[@craigwarren]

I quite like the idea of a trackpad. I suppose it would be possible to tilt it at an angle to avoid pronation. If you do that, would it still be less than ideal for productivity? Great video.

[@DygmaLab]

Oh yeah, I think it would be awesome if you could do this and get used to it. Maybe you could even use it flat but with your hand on a more handshake position and only moving the tips of the fingers 🤔

[@Psoewish]

There's an even better pointing device option! A programmable keyboard, which you even make yourselves! :P It's a little hard to get used to doing mouse inputs with a keyboard layer but it's actually surprisingly good to actually use when you're willing to put in the time to learn it. I even play many games with just keyboard. I've never tried an fps with it though, maybe I should give that a go sometime.

[@DygmaLab]

Fun fact: we design and manufacture programmable split keyboards 😅 And yes, a programmable layer is very useful, but some times you need a mouse 😊

[@reykjavik9187]

You said that using a trackpad makes your hand pronated, yet as an avid trackpad user, I may disagree with the statement. Using a trackpad my hand and wrist are in their natural, relaxed position, I mostly use an index finder(for moving a cursor around) and a combination with a ring finger(for swiping).

[@DygmaLab]

What we've meant is that normally when using a trackpad users have their hands pronated, with the hand facing down. Unless you use the trackpad differently, with the hand as in a handshake position (which would be ergonomically better) and only touches the trackpad with the tip of your fingers. I've tried simulating that here and it didn't look correct 🤣🤣

[@0xff0000]

I see that you use only 2 fingers to operate mouse buttons and scroll. I utilize 3 fingers - middle for scroll/middle and ring for right button. For me it always felt natural. And since I use a thumb trackball (and occasionaly a gaming mouse with buttons on the side), only my pinky is jobless. Am I a weirdo?

[@DygmaLab]

Oh yeah, we've seen this technique in the past... nothing wrong with it if it works for you 😻

[@duartecunhaleao]

On the tilted/sculpted species, I'm currently trying the Handshoemouse Shift mouse. It has a hand platform that forces use of the forearm/elbow to move the mouse (which then must be well supported, with a good table and chair). Trying this after starting to feel pain using a vertical mouse (Logitech MX vertical). For either, though, I need better forearm/elbow support, a problem on the way to be resolved.

[@DygmaLab]

Thank you for sharing your experience 😻

[@josephhenderson2538]

I tried the Logitech MX Master 3 and the MX Ergo Plus. I didn't like the Master 3 because the buttons felt mushy and were too easy to click (I kept clicking them by accident while resting my hand on the mouse), and I didn't like the Ergo Plus because using it put too much strain on my thumb. I settled on the G604 because it has six programmable thumb buttons and an internal memory that means I don't have to connect to G Hub every time I want to use them.

[@DygmaLab]

That's actually a common complaint against silent mouse clicks, they can feel mushy and strange sometimes. G604 is awesome, having more mouse buttons adds a lot of possibilities for macros, commands at the tip of your fingertips 😅

[@n3burgener]

9:44 I'm not sure this trackball "drawback" about sensitivity conflicts between large screens and precision work, is unique to trackballs. And even if it is more specific to trackballs, there are easy ways to circumvent this issue with basic hardware/software configuration which are natively built into many trackballs' basic infrastructure, to the point that it really shouldn't be a deciding factor in whether or not to get a trackball. At most, it's a deciding factor in WHICH trackball to get. Most trackball software (including general-use third-party ones) gives you options for how to customize acceleration curves so that the cursor moves farther across the screen when you move the ball faster, and less distance when you move it slower. With the right acceleration curves and a little bit of practice you can reliably fling the cursor all over the screen with quick flicks of the ball, then hone in on smaller, slower movements for those tasks that require much more precision. I know it's common for people to dislike acceleration with a conventional mouse, but it's actually very intuitive with a trackball due to the physical nature of how a rolling ball will travel farther when it's moving faster, which is different from how your brain might think about cursor movement when moving a mouse across a two-dimensional plane. Certain trackballs even give you extra DPI toggle buttons in convenient locations or software-enabled chorded actions that you can click to cycle between two user-selected sensitivity levels, so you can have a standard default setting for general usage situations, and then click a button (or chorded buttons) to be in super low DPI when you need that pixel-perfect, microscopic accuracy. It's akin to having a "sniper button" like you'd see on certain gaming mice. Not all trackball manufacturers give you these kinds of options, but I know from first-hand experience that Logitech, Kensington, and GameBall do.

[@DygmaLab]

You're right, that's something we oversaw. Nonetheless, I think with trackballs you need to adjust your sensor DPI more. With mice you can do big and small swipes and be fast and precise. With a trackball you need to play with the sensor DPI.

[@joelsantiago8493]

Can you make a review on the RAGNOK 2 mouse?

[@DygmaLab]

We had one, and we did some shorts contet. The sum is that the mouse is more vibrating than recoiling, and the shape and weight don't make it very stable. All in all, it's an interesting idea with a loot of room for improvement in the the execution. If they keep releasing versions and improving the model, maybe is something to consider, but in its current state, we don't recommend getting one.

[@homawong]

1:32 A slight correction, the axis are flipped. The vertical bar is for x axis and the horizontal on is for y axis.

[@DygmaLab]

That's not how I was taught it 😅

[@homawong]

@@DygmaLab :) It's because that is the roller. Imagine how the ball rolls when you move the mouse and you will see.

[@PretendGoose]

Do some trackball company's drivers allow for a modifier to switch between two speeds (to allow for small and large movements)? I don't know as I don't use one. 😅

[@DygmaLab]

Oh yeah, the MX Ergo trackball for example has a button to change speeds on-the-fly. I believe you can even configure the steps you want saved on the software 🥰

[@n3burgener]

Many do, yes. I know the Logitech MX Ergo does with the Options software, and I presume other Logitech trackballs like the M575 would as well, though I can't confirm this as I don't have an M575. KensingtonWorks (used for Kensington trackballs like the Expert, Slimblade, Orbit, Pro Fit, etc) gives you an option to set a chorded button press to enable a lower cursor sensitivity. The GameBall has a DPI toggle button that lowers the currently selected DPI by 1/3rd. If you're capable with QMK programming, I believe you can configure a similar type of DPI selector on any of the Ploopy trackballs, or at least the Ploopy Classic.

[@michaelraney6732]

Seems like the best mouse would be a trackball/traditional optical combo

[@TaskSwitcherify]

I'm a bit blown away that a mouse & trackball review/comparison doesn't include actual device usage 🙂. Kind of like reviewing a restaurant without trying out any dishes.

[@DygmaLab]

Thanks for your feedback! We'll keep it in mind for the next video! 😊

[@CourtWatchAu]

Are Dygma going to make a mouse ?

[@DygmaLab]

Yes, we are working on a mystery device 😅

[@s1ncaster]

What about handshoe mouse, finger mouse and pen mouse?

[@DygmaLab]

You're right. Those are missing. We had those in our research phase, but we thought it was going too deep into the rabbit hole 😅

[@michaelwinter5292]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks all these mice videos might be leading to something!?? Great video again, love your sense of humour and the bloopers at the end!

[@DygmaLab]

Oh yeah, we are indeed working on a pointing solution that we want to announce in the future 🤐

[@Tendee]

I'm using a dygma raise with silent switches and fancy ceramic keycaps with a HyperX pulsefire haste 2. It's not that expensive, you can click any way with it (good for a minecraft player like me) and it's super light. Comfortable enough to use for a while, although not ergonomic.

[@DygmaLab]

That's a very good mouse with a very good pricepoint! Nice choice! 😻

[@Tendee]

@@DygmaLab Thanks! What will the dygmouse be like? Will it be light and/or have adjustable debounce?

[@Tendee]

@@DygmaLab Or is that a secret?

[@DygmaLab]

🤐

[@maurofagiani2365]

Dygmouse confirmed. On your desk soon* Soon = when it's done

[@DygmaLab]

Soon🤐

[@amig012]

funny because a lot of studios have trackball mice

[@DygmaLab]

Do you mean design studios?

[@MorvaridAkhbari]

I can’t believe I actually used that old mouse before. God I’m old 😂

[@DygmaLab]

OH! Hard same 🤓

[@TheAtHamptonDotCom]

the logitech mx ergo, dont @me just 1v1 me DMRs on Reflection(halo: reach) or Glitch(titanfall 2). I'm trash but that says nothing about trackballs.

[@DygmaLab]

Woah, gaming on a trackball with consistent results sounds awesome! 😲

[@TheAtHamptonDotCom]

@@DygmaLab Cortana seems to like it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/anSrY5R-fslmfac

[@tarvivor]

I really like the Logitech MX Vertical, been using it for 2 years. Though I'm eager to try a trackball too, thanks for the ideas!

[@yediydeyah78]

@tarvivor - the Logitech MX Ergo Plus would be a nice thumb-based trackball to start with. You can even buy a 3D-Printed accessory that tilts the angle of the device itself to be almost in a natural handshake position. I currently have it and it's almost impossible for me to use it without the tilt stand. I'm a trackball aficionado so I don't know anything but trackballs (save for the touchpad on my laptop (which I usually don't use anyway...))

[@tarvivor]

@yediydeyah78 thank you, might try that out!

[@yediydeyah78]

@@tarvivor even if you don't buy the third-party tilt stand, be sure to get the MX Ergo Plus model and not the Non-Plus model. The plus model comes with a 10° tilt stand to make the total degree of tilt 30° vs. the standard 20° 😉

[@tarvivor]

@yediydeyah78 great to know, thank you!

[@fatball9084]

Sailing in the search for the One Piece to control the cursor, some users also use a tablet with a pen. This way your mouse becomes a pen and you can get a better grab.

[@block3732]

Have you seen the trackpoint?

[@DygmaLab]

Nice, the one that looks like a pen would be the tracpoint: www.swiftpoint.com/products/ergonomic-mice-tracpoint It looks super cool!

[@senritsujumpsuit6021]

Who says I can't throw a trackball mouse around like a claw-grip one

[@DygmaLab]

I mean, you could, but sounds very uncomfortable 😅

[@CemeteryLarry]

You guys need to make one! Most mice on the market are terrible and have awful software.

[@DygmaLab]

Oh yeah, we have plans to release some pointing devices in the future, don't worry 😉

[@shayaxelrod7691]

MX Vertical

[@DygmaLab]

That is indeed one of the best when considering all of the available ergo mice in the market ❤️

[@JohnDoe_777]

Finger operated trackballs are just great for working with code! I have Kensington Slimblade Pro and Elecom Huge and they both great. I prefer Elecom, with balls mod it's super precise and smooth. I need to work more than 10 hours every day and trackball is great for me.

[@DygmaLab]

Glad to hear that 😊 It's the beauty of having multiple options: everybody can find a good fit for them.

[@renierlombard5758]

Pretty girl with pretty mice. How cool is that? Thank you for the informative and funky video.

[@DygmaLab]

Thanks for watching!

[@roccothegod8307]

You forgot to include 3D mice.

[@DygmaLab]

We didn't consider those because although they are called mice, they are not really a pointing device that can substitute a regular mouse. It's more a peripheral for 3D design.

[@HarryNguyenHa]

well the "invention" harmed a lot of people so it makes sense that the guy did not make any money out of it.

[@DygmaLab]

It does make sense, but considering how much it was used we would imagine that it bring some money to the inventor right? Many other worst things were invented and made their inventors rich 😂

[@dookie6734]

So the only solution that avoids pronation is the vertical mouse, but those are terrible for gaming. Maybe we have identified a gap in the current market? 🤔 Or is there no way to get around the straining pinch with vertical mice by nature of their shape? Also with trackballs, can you avoid pronation if it is a thumb trackball with a steep tilt? I'm thinking something like logitech's MX ergo, but I've just barely started to research trackballs so there could be other products I'm not aware of.

[@DygmaLab]

Hi there, Dookie! Those are excellent questions, let's see if we can help you. Vertical mice should not be an issue for gaming, the problem is that gaming is, to some extent, a dfferent activiity than using a mouse. In regular use of the mouse there's no stress of performance, you can change liittle details of the selection and you can double-check before cliking. While gaming, time is of the essence, and we tend to trust our muscle memory. Since most people learnt to play on regular mice, gaming will be an issue, but it's jsut a matter of tiime until you get used to it. As for the trackaballs, models like the MX Ergo 575 help with pronatiion, but not as much as a vertical model. The good thing about trackballs is that they prevent movement from shoulder, elboy and wrist. If your problem is not related to pronation, but a problem with those joints, they might be the correct choice. In the end, itt's all about the user and it's needs, we, companies, can only provide options and information as honest as we can, then it's up to you to decide 😊

[@n3burgener]

Trackballs are great at avoiding pronation due to the fact that you can use them at virtually any angle, since the device itself doesn't have to move across a flat desktop like a conventional mouse. Many thumb-operated trackballs are specifically designed with vertical tilt in mind, like the Logitech MX Ergo, Kensington Pro Fit Ergo Vertical, Perixx 520/720, Micropack Vertical Trackball, and so on. But even then, you can set practically ANY trackball on a home-made wedge (I use rubber door stops glued together) to give your arm a more neutral vertical tilt. This applies to finger trackballs like many of the Kensington models, as well. On the extreme end, you can get handheld trackballs like the Elecom Relacon that you can use with your arm hanging down by your side, or resting in your lap, or whatever other position you find comfortable.

[@sc9433]

Try the GUN MOUSE

[@DygmaLab]

We have tried it! You can watch it on our TikTok 😊 www.tiktok.com/@dygma.com/video/7255380775476989211

[@laughingvampire7555]

bro skipped the laser mice

[@DygmaLab]

Yessss, we have to name it next time 😅

[@m.d.8769]

Definitely Lift

[@DygmaLab]

It's a sound choice.

[@jp10580]

Ugh…just announce your mouse already! 😂😊🙊

[@DygmaLab]

We're getting there, don't worry 😅

[@cliffordnelson8454]

so basically there is no good solutions.

[@DygmaLab]

Well, that's not how we would put it, it's that is complicated to find the perfect fit for your hand and posture. Designing these is more complicated than it is with regular models, that's why you have to pay more attention to the model you choose, but sure there's one that works for you!

[@cjbtlr]

pobre pinky :(

[@DygmaLab]

Pobre 🤕

[@luisdha357]

So we are gona see a Digma Mouse?

[@DygmaLab]

Soon ™️

[@luisdha357]

@@DygmaLab omg omg omg, y only wish that the wheel will hace a button like the Logitech g500, that habilitue to have unlimited speed is perfect for editing and excel work. Pleas add it

[@luisdha357]

Lol, sorry for Mexican and dislexia english

[@anantgillmusic]

tablet pen better :P

[@DygmaLab]

That depends both on taste and what you use it for 😜

[@ezechiaschristus8594]

Dead annoying video, as well as the one with vertical mouses. So annoying, that I can't focus on the information provided.

[@DygmaLab]

You watched a second video after finding the first one annoying??? You have our respect!