F-Zero's Future: What Happened [Exclusive] Ft.

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[@albertoromero5075]

dear DYKG people: don't keep making videos worse by ruining scripts!!! I want the DYKG that I know instead of these new ones with worse narration!!!!

[@bluebaron6858]

4kids only produced a season of 26 dub episodes of F-zero GP Legend, not the whole show...

[@MasterNightwolfsDen]

are you guys still gonna make new episodes of region locked?

[@Howwy191]

Guys you got bs f zero gp 1 and 2 wrong they were for the snes sattelaview add on not the n64 dd.

[@albertoromero5075]

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

[@TaelAlchemist]

I think F Zero also needs a good story mode. It has fun lore and great characters, so this should be a given.

[@memestealer6348]

I think something open world might work really well for F-zero. Imagine being able to drive around the city like we see C. Falcon do in some of the GX cutscenes.

[@buchiklop110]

Maybe in a sequel to the revival, but at this point, the series just needs to get any new game out there to justify the added expense. A cheap, racing-only revival that sells a million units would need to be the first step.

[@corey2232]

This is what I've been saying too! Why not give it a crazy, in depth anime-style story, something Nintendo's other racing series doesn't have?

[@custom-r]

@Junpei They do need to make it so that humans can do them on Very Hard. 40 seconds for Chapter 5 is unreasonable.

[@wanderingmarshadow]

@@memestealer6348 And a bunch of sidequests ending in a super-tough race against a guy in a black coat and sunglasses.

[@Lythero]

One day (thanks to some goated insider help) I snuck into TheCompletionist's office at night and played on his F-Zero AX machine for 2 hours straight. I felt like the machine was ricocheting in a way to try and kill me. Best 2 hours of my life.

[@elleshugon6807]

mfw

[@QWERTYCommander]

I was able to play one at a convention. I saw the game's warnings about having to wear the seatbelt when playing, and I thought "Why would I need a seatbelt for an arcade cabinet?" So I tried playing it without a seatbelt, and immediately understood why.

[@djhero0071]

I can imagine Jirard popping out like Big Smoke from San Andreas getting ready to break some knee caps over someone touching his office's AX machine lol

[@niteriemcfarlane5285]

​@@djhero0071 yeah right jirand would never lol

[@stanzacosmi]

WAIT THE CHAIR MOVES?!

[@one_step_sideways]

The F-Zero AX machines can still be found in some cities of the US, Japan, as well as France, Spain, Netherlands and Russia (which has more AX machines than Japan does now, curiously) and some other countries. A total of 250 arcade machines were produced. Only 20 of them were officially imported into the US and run the English version of the game (Sega Triforce is region-free, but with some caveats). Now there are about 100-120 machines that exist in the world. Needless to say it's an ultra-rare arcade game from the start. I recommend you all to play the Deluxe model of F-Zero AX, the one with the motion seat, a deluxe sound system and rumble. There's a map and a list of all known F-Zero AX machines locations on the internet. It's also worth noting that more machines are now in the hands of private owners taken for preservation during the past 3 years, some of them take the machines to various conventions.

[@ReikuYin]

Can agree. Was lucky enough that the small arcade we had were I live got one. Strapping in, putting your licence and meme card in and ending up almost completely sideways on a hard turn is something that should be experienced at least once.

[@TheDarkYoshi64]

The Galloping Ghost Arcade in Brookfield, Illinois has an AX Machine that still, surprisingly, moves and is in great condition.

[@heyhackurs]

Sounds fun

[@tristanmoehl5544]

I am one of the lucky mofos who lives near Boss Battle games; they have 3 functioning AX machines with a 4th on the way that allow you to do race each other. Now if only i can get some gamers to race with me 👀

[@GamEntertain]

There was one in North Wales in Rhyl unfourtunatly it has been removed due to breaking down.

[@kaijuotaku2738]

GX is the hardest game I've ever beaten. It's also one of the best games I've ever played. Truly hope Nagoshi can pursue a sequel one day. Same for Goddard. F-Zero still has so much potential.

[@danb7601]

same!

[@orangeslash1667]

@@danb7601 Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin are important because there nothing else like them. Now days there are other arcade racing games like F-zero such as Fast Racing Neo, Horizon Chase turbo, and Cruis'n Blast. In Miyamoto's eyes if a games series can't standout why bother?????

[@custom-r]

@@orangeslash1667 Each of those racing games you mentioned are wildly different from each other. 3D F-Zero especially. No other game series plays like those. 30 racers on the same track at once, plus incredible high speed, and that's to say nothing about how wild the tracks are. There's also the ability to spin attack and side attack. (Plus built-in track and vehicle editors, character interviews, movies) There very few that feel or look like the F-Zero Games. Other anti-gravity racers usually do not replicate this. Fast Racing Neo doesn't have as many racers present on the scene, but it becomes important to know which color to switch to not only heal energy but speed up. Horizon Chase Turbo is a lot closer to games like Top Gear or Outrun, where you do have to outrace opponents, but tracks are built differently there. You don't really fall off course like in other games, but you do have to weave in and out of traffic a lot. Plus, tracks are a usually "flat" in comparison to the other games. It's how they're handled that really sets that game apart from the others you list. Cruis'n Blast is also hugely different because you're mainly drifting and speeding up a lot on a lot of tracks that are Point-to-Point races. Not only that, but said races feature more detailed environments than the other games listed. You really feel like racing in Hollywood style set pieces for these tracks. Every time I see "F-Zero feels to similar to everything else" it triggers a defensive reaction because that's a clear lie. And I'm not going to hear that Mario Kart is the same as F-Zero. No it isn't. Thinking that F-Zero or other racing games don't stand out is inherently flawed thinking.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@custom-r The problem with F-zero GX is the game works as a single player game, but the game’s difficulty is what makes the multiplayer so frustrating. Now a days multiplayer is a big selling point in racing games but F zero is not known for multiplayer. There are arcade racers out there that probably more accessible in multiplayer than GX. Nintendo doesn’t see the point in extremely hard single player games now a days. Another problem is that F-zero X had to sacrifice graphics for frame rate. So there’s a big chance that a modern day F-zero would have reduced frame rate because the game is too ambitious. There are other option if you didn't my previous ideas. there is Redout 2, Pacer, and Super Pilot. However that Last one is only on Steam.

[@desamster]

@@orangeslash1667 They planned LAN multiplayer for GX but canned it to work on the story mode. I believe Mario Kart Double Dash and Kirby Air Ride were two of the few Gamecube games that offered LAN play. F-Zero is a very competitive series, hence the strong time attack competition in all of its games. Competitive multiplayer would suit it well. Saying the game is too difficult is like saying Quake or Tekken are too hardcore. There's a crowd for these kinds of games. Honing of skills and competitive play are a core part of gaming. Custom R is right. Those other racing games are wildly different. A lot of the futuristic racing games are Wipeout clones. Aero GPX looks promising though.

[@DaxtotheMax479]

Reporter: "Can we get a new F-Zero?" Miyamoto: "We have F-Zero at home." F-Zero at home: Nintendo Land

[@seanmcbay]

Still fun for what it was but yeah we need a new thing. It’s been 10 years since even that mini game.

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

You mean Mario Kart 8.

[@GreatFox42]

oh god that cut deep

[@Granadico]

Inactually really liked that game lol but yeah :(

[@orangeslash1667]

@@seanmcbay Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin are important because there nothing else like them. Now days there are other arcade racing games like F-zero such as Fast Racing Neo, Horizon Chase turbo, and Cruis'n Blast. In Miyamoto's eyes if a game series can't standout why bother?????

[@HenyaStudent]

Shout out to didyouknowgaming for being something I've been into since highschool like 9 years ago

[@TaroAndreas]

I remember playing it back on GBA, stuff was awesome

[@mattjindrak]

Shout out to me for replying to your comment

[@HenyaStudent]

@@TaroAndreas If you mean F zero, I have never touched it in my life LOL I just like learning about games so I've been following didyouknowgaming's content for 9 or 10 years

[@curseofizanagi]

Been watching this shit for most of my memorable life

[@Silver-Nao]

@@mattjindrak shout out to everyone besides the main comment for commenting on this comment

[@FLYNN_TAGGART]

Aero GPX is the closest I've found to GX gameplay that innovates. I miss X's OST though.

[@thejman5683]

I funded the Kickstarter, I wish I’d I gave more money. I have a lot of faith in that project

[@VexAcer]

Yeah I've always found that a lot of futuristic racers (including Fast RMX) are moreso just their own thing. Aero GPX actually feels like F-Zero in gameplay/design.

[@Ginrikuzuma]

I also funded it on Kickstarter I'm really looking forward to what the creator comes out with in the future. Though I do miss the cheesy 90s rock that F-Z X has.

[@djhero0071]

@Ginrikuzuma 90's metal, and in the case of Devil's Call in Your Heart, 90's DEATH METAL

[@CesarDaSalad]

Aero GPX and Super Pilot are the only games I've found that actually look and feel like F-Zero. Everything else is just too... Wipeout for that.

[@WillKeaton]

Minor thing: The BS stands for Broadcast Satellite, and it was an add-on for the SNES. The two BS F-Zero games were for that. The 64DD was a disk drive that was an add-on for the N64, and allowed you to edit courses for F-Zero X. Both of these add-ons were Japan exclusive.

[@darktetsuya]

yeah I had to rewind to see if I heard that right, but you're correct.

[@DJIVision]

I think he's saying "and the F-Zero 64DD expansion" not "on." Or at least that's the way it was written (I wrote this video).

[@bt3743]

Yes we know what the 64dd is. It isn't 2007 anymore

[@aurafox1]

This hurts. This hurts so bad. F-Zero is by far the franchise I want to see return the most. Every year around E3 time it's always the game in the back of my mind that I know would be the highlight of the entire year if it was so much as teased. But I'm also realistic enough to understand that it's not likely to come back anytime soon. The thought that we've come so close to getting a new F-Zero so recently but the plan fell through is painful. At least there's still hope the idea might get to see the light of day if they're persistent enough with it. I want F-Zero back! And this prototype sounds so cool! There's so much you can do with F-Zero!

[@desamster]

Check out Aero GPX it looks promising. I've given up on Nintendo basically.

[@franck4727]

2:48 Nagashi and his team totally deserve these praises. GX in terms of graphics, performances is an achievement, it blew my fucking mind when the game released back in the day on the gamecube

[@mcurran6505]

F-Zero deserves a comeback.

[@pivotguydc1149]

Miyamoto: "What do you want that we haven't done before?" Access. Nobody has a GameCube or arcade cabinet anymore. It doesn't matter what you've done in the past if no one can currently *play* those games.

[@desamster]

Access, track editor, online, hd. And perhaps, y'know, caring about a phenomal racing series they have in their portfolio? It was always just an excuse anyway for them to instead develop more low effort games and DLC to print them money. Oh yes how I look forward to yet more Smash, 2D Mario and Ring Fit U. This is the kind of company Nintendo has become, there's no going two ways about it. If you want a new F-Zero, check out Aero GPX.

[@pixelatedsethtube1271]

@@desamsterman screw off with your trash attitude. There will be a new fzero eventually

[@Freezerker]

@@desamsterThe Wii killed hardcore Nintendo. Now it just panders to cat-ear wearing sissy mfs and casuals...

[@sem_aki]

It's so cool to see that DYKG is able to get the developers themselves to speak for the video, I couldn't even imagine that 1 year ago now we got stuff like the Metroid video or this. Amazing!

[@DerekMcDouglas]

And we just got F-Zero 99.

[@JJAB91]

Which is hardly a real F-Zero game...

[@gabrielbalderrama2002]

​@@JJAB91it is a game and it has f zero in the name and plays like it, so for me it is very real

[@otaking3582]

At least until Nintendo decides to stop supporting it, like they did with SMB35 and Pac-Man 99.

[@TJ-Henry-Yoshi]

​​@@otaking3582smb35 was always advertised as a temporary endeavor and pacman99 pulled was by namco, not Nintendo. The only reason I could see them pulling 99 is in reaction to people no longer playing it. And as someone who still plays weekly, I wouldn't blame them at this point since I've witnessed how the average fzero99 lobby doesn't even reach 50% capacity anymore (at least at the hours I play)

[@UltraNurture]

It's great to see developers willing to make a sequel. Hopefully one day it can happen!

[@joshoshea3194]

Nintendo always innovates, arguably more so than anyone else. But what REALLY annoys me that they seem reluctant to make a new game unless there's a big innovation involved. They need to take note; there's a fine line between "innovation" and "gimmick". Just make it good!!

[@backup368]

They're reluctant because Mario Kart.

[@Austinator0630]

@@backup368 Unfortunately, Mario Kart is successful enough to ape out all racing games in general.

[@elistewart3170]

Y'all thinking about the innovating part way too much. It's obviously a front for the series just not selling. GX being better than X but selling worse and Maximum Velocity having a whole anime as production and selling so bad it never left Japan is huge reasons why to leave a franchise dormant.

[@atre5763]

You missed the point entirely!!!

[@jlev1028]

And yet Nintendo milks Splatoon despite each sequel's lack of innovation.

[@YoMamaBih]

The sad thing is.. everything is selling millions on Switch .. F Zero could do the very same thing. && Congratulations to Lythero for being featured on here. This was a great choice. He's a great streamer, funny af, got a really dope squad of friends, and has been a vocal advocate for the latest F-Zero-esque kickstarter (I apologize, I forgot the name of it but please feel free to put it in the replies).

[@custom-r]

Aero GPX

[@duuuvalvillain]

the cutscenes in f-zero gx story mode are great. they give the game so much character

[@austinfondren5053]

The amount of anxiety I felt when Giles was talking about how he could possibly show the demo footage was real If he shows the demo to the public, you can bet that it'll never become a Nintendo game.

[@mythosinfinite6736]

Out of sheer spite, too. Every day I curse the luck I leave to heaven for damning my favourite franchises to be held under the thumbs of ancient tyrants.

[@KingdomKey57]

@@mythosinfinite6736 Nintendo and a lot of Japanese companies suffer from this. They always have too veterans in power that halt progress. I just hope the next generation does away with this practice.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@KingdomKey57 Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin are important because there nothing else like them. Now days there are other arcade racing games like F-zero such as Fast Racing Neo, Horizon Chase turbo, and Cruis'n Blast. In Miyamoto's eyes if a game series can't standout why bother?????

[@generalcjg]

@@orangeslash1667 I can honestly say the same thing about Metroid regarding "In Miyamoto's eyes if a game series can't standout why bother?????". Since the release of Metroid: Other M and that game selling less than the Prime games, we have seen many 2D Metroidvania games come out and basically do what Metroid has done before but differently (sometimes better), so if you ask me, Miyamoto could employ that same question to the Metroid IP, how could Metroid standout from other Metroidvanias that are coming out as of late? However, Metroid Dread has officially proven that Metroid can indeed standout on its own even in a sea filled with cheaper Metroidvania games as it became Metroid's best selling game ever. This shows that the IP itself does indeed stand out despite many other games having similar gameplay and level designs existing; so really I do think F-Zero could indeed standout among the other futuristic arcade racing games, it just needs to be a good game, and be marketed rather well by Nintendo.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@generalcjg Dread does not count because Miyamoto was only involved in the Prime. The 2d games were handled by Yoshio Sakamoto. He may have made Other M, but he loves Metroid. For ideas of games to play that are like F-Zero. there is Redout 2, Pacer, and Super Pilot. However that Last one is only on Steam.

[@svenbtb]

I was always one of the ones wondering why just making F-Zero look better and adding more racers, ect wasn't enough, but after hearing about the sales numbers I can kinda see what Miayamoto was talking about (I loved that anime though lol). It's such a shame that Giles team wasn't given the go-ahead to make the new F-Zero, that game sounds seriously amazing. Plus it's been SO long now, literally a generation only know Captain Falcon from Smash and would probably be interested in checking a new game out, and those of us who played the older games have missed it and would also love to check out a new game. ESPECIALLY if it was 60fps on Switch, that would be luxurious ...or maybe they should go the Fire Emblem route and just make everyone thirst after all the racers lmao

[@carlosaugusto9821]

A good story mode is enough to make it stand out. It already has characters to use for that.

[@aballofgrime7273]

I saw that some guy I don't know said somewhere that 2023 was going to be the year of F-Zero and I'm gonna believe him for no reason.

[@AGameNetwork]

So excited. Yalls videos have gotten so much greater over the years

[@albertoromero5075]

i miss the old DYKG instead of this!!!

[@PhantomRetrospective]

@@albertoromero5075 stay mad lmao

[@albertoromero5075]

Thank you! 😠

[@AGameNetwork]

@@albertoromero5075 *farts seductively* cool.

[@albertoromero5075]

i smell a fart!

[@Bro3256]

1:16 BS F-Zero Grand Prix 1 and 2 released on the Satellaview for the Super Famicom, what released on the N64DD was the F-Zero Expansion Kit

[@alecciarosewater7438]

Given the game's long absence there could be a plot where the original Falcon is missing and the other heroes have to compete to see who deserves to be the next Captain Falcon. We could also be shown what happens off the track - the moronic conversations between racers, the activities done offseason, and what kind of crazy personalities manage the grand prix

[@hogoototwilightian628]

It's fitting Lee got on to DYKG for one of his favorite series. He's one of the first content creators that has been vocal about wishing for F-Zero to come back. Fantastic to see him hosting this inside story on the franchise. Go Lee, go fans! Let's wish for F-Zero's return together!

[@SuperWiiBros08]

Giles Goddard's F-Zero could be the one entire new big thing that Nintendo needs for a new F-Zero game

[@funnyguy150]

It seems like, when Nintendo made F-Zero games, they existed as tech demos to demonstrate the proficiency of the hardware, back when Nintendo cared about such a thing. From the Wii era onward Nintendo has given up that race. Hence Miyamoto's unwillingness to make a new entry unless it has an interesting angle--and let's be honest, an angle that they couldn't just build a Mario Kart game around and guarantee 5x the sales.

[@notsyzagts7967]

It's also possible that they don't know how to recreate the work that Sega did before, but implying that there's nothing interesting to bring to a new FZ game is lame; they obviously aren't listening to fan suggestions, so what can we do? (Yes, there's much more that can be done with the series than an MK variant)

[@YdenMk-II]

Wow, I knew the sales numbers for F-Zero was bad but I never knew they were that bad. It sure is telling that the SNES version is the best selling game in the series. I wonder if the others games even made a profit?

[@carlosaugusto9821]

After the SNES many Nintendo franchises dropped in sales or just died or went on hiatus. The SNES was the golden age of Nintendo's franchise management. All games had high quality, passion, creativity, drive to innovate past the previous generation (NES). FZero, Kirby, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, etc, all going strong with solid SNES releases.

[@lenmutt]

I just want F-Zero back. doesn't need some gimmick, just FAST F-Zero. Mario kart can keep the gimmicks

[@SullySadface]

Yoooo, quality! I love how the complaints about F-Zero being hard are basically just hit with a "yup." It's always been hard, lol.

[@ajiaji7949]

You actually gave back all faith in the world to me. Thanks a lot for being a great information source. Giles Goddard is the GOAT.

[@georgem2768]

I started playing F-Zero GX at the end of 2020. It was a Christmas present from my mum, it was so hard and fun at the same time. I truly hope a sequel by Nagoshi comes out.

[@iamyoung4eva21]

i love how f zero gx put a spot light on everyones personalities with their own music. Gotta admit i actually put some of the songs on my mp3 player back in 05. They should really have a hd collection of this!

[@maidor]

Fzero grand new idea is unfortunattly ''battle royale''. 100 players, One track, one winner. It was always a hard game, the fastest thing, to make you feel insanely better than the programed racers. now we need a game that can handle more than 4 players with no NPCs. That if you die from crash, derailing, boosting too much, u are out. Together with the GX sequel idea of random generated tracks, this would be awesome for another decade.

[@Naspheratu]

i PERSONALLY think that OUTSIDE of the original characters, i’d be ok with PAYING for characters outside of the F-Zero universe being in a new F-Zero GX. samus and her spaceship as an fzero vehicle, fox and his ship as a racer, kirby and its star, mario and his zero gravity gokart. maybe even more characters outside of nintendo, like sonic and shaddow with themselves as the vehicle lol

[@WhyYouWahYoo]

Man, stuff like this just makes me so sad. Making games is so involved and there are so many pitfalls and barriers to being able to make what you want, I guess it’s a miracle we get amazing games at all, but still… what might have been…

[@solidskullz5736]

Another f zero would be great. It hasn’t had a release since 2004

[@custom-r]

Yeah, a newer one that isn't a re-release is what they need to do.

[@spookytanooky]

Congratulations, you figured out the point of the entire video we just watched!

[@Falzyker]

SHIIIT I could feel my blood pumping when the Giles said that he could upload the game and immediately started looking into the description and comments for a link... Fuck that was a massive cblock right there.

[@MINI_91]

I would do nearly anything for a new F-ZERO in the style for GX. F-ZERO is one of my favorite Nintendo franchises.

[@notsyzagts7967]

One easy idea is to remake some classic tracks into full 3D as one segment of the game. Battle Royale as suggested by some others here. Character-based story missions, a separate new main story to flesh out the F-Zero characters and universe. Customizable drivers to take through the main circuits. Retool upgradeable parts to be won or found during different modes. Maybe even a type of hub world that lets you explore the FZ universe personally for the first time; complete with shops, hangouts, bars, and specific character dwellings. Not even Mario Kart has that yet. Yes Nintendo, there are interesting angles to go with the series.

[@renato_watch]

Thank you for this video. I became a meme among my friends for always in the last 15 years saying my most wanted E3 game is a new f-zero.

[@RadikAlice]

You are a committed man, a man of faith

[@harrisonwhaley7872]

As much as his career isn’t a straight forward path to success, the series and games Nagoshi, and his teams over the years, have brought to the market are all certifiable classics. To think Yakuza, Monkey Ball, F-zero GX all wouldn’t be exactly how they are today without him is quite interesting

[@Lucas-db2jq]

Damn, you gave me hope for a moment there. Seeing footage from a new F-Zero game pitch would have been beyond amazing. This was really great regardless.

[@Madblaster6]

A big part of the GX series was the music. You can make a copy of the game but it won't feel nearly the same without the sound.

[@KeebeThePlush]

Wonder if one day we will see the virtual boy f zero ever get leaked to the public, I can imagine how insane the public would be to see something like this like the beta Mario kart

[@MineCreeperLPs]

If it was going to happen it would have been a few years ago when they got access to a ton of source code like for Mario 64.

[@Wimmle]

I can play all the F zero's on my Xbox series S or X lol

[@QWERTYCommander]

@@MineCreeperLPs The gigaleak is still being looked through. There were a LOT of things leaked. So there's still a chance.

[@Eggerhexe]

It would have sucked. I had a Virtual Boy and it just didn't have the hardware for F-Zero. It would have been as slow as Mario Kart 7 and the graphics of F1 Racer for Game Boy. This is tough love, but I gotta be honest.

[@Thor-Orion]

Giles is like a super genius.

[@RadikAlice]

I might need to watch this video twice, thrice even because of the information density But man, the more I hear about Nagoshi, the cooler he seems. And wild how Goddard was willing to basically leak a prototype in exchange for more potential eyeballs on his posts Man really has that developer grind down, God bless him and may his studio have the best of luck

[@kholdkhaos64ray11]

F-Zero's drastically declining sales are so depressing man. Why is it so hard to sell this series? It's even more frustrating knowing how praised the main character is

[@steelballrunner636]

I think the series isn't approachable for a mainstream audience. Anyone can play Mario Kart but F-Zero's learning curve and difficulty turn off casual gamers from playing it instead of Mario Kart. F-Zero's difficulty is great for experienced gamers but most people don't want to master a game. Most people just want to sit down after work and play an easy-going round of Mario or Pokemon.

[@custom-r]

Nintendo gives it poor marketing and it is hard to tell people it exists. It's a bit harder than Mario Kart but it's way more honest.

[@goranisacson2502]

F-Zero's gameplay is based around kicking you in the dick until you puke up so much you have no puke left- THEN if you've weathered all that, you learn how to play the game. It is hardcore masochism to play, and you know- I like that! But I am one of a very small niche, and most Nintendo fans who like racers would prefer the friendly Mario Kart-way that takes you by the hand and teaches yoi how to play it in a friendly manner, letting you go soft or hard, it's okay buddy, you can do it how you want to. What can I say- Nintendo just isn't in the dick-kicking business these days.

[@lakitudude7577]

@@custom-r wtf does more honest even mean?

[@NoxiMation]

​@@lakitudude7577 I guess they mean more skill-dependent and doesn't feature RNG

[@xaytana]

Back in the PS3 era, Sony had an MMO space, that would now fall under the asinine metaverse naming, called PlayStation Home. Within PlayStation Home there were different worlds, or spaces, with different games, one of these home spaces was Sodium, which contained two games, a tank-like shooter called SodiumOne and an anti-grave fast-paced racer called Sodium2, all developed by Outso and published by Lockwood Publishing, SCEA, and SCEE. I don't remember much about One, but 2 had a ton of unlockables and customization, as well as it's own in-game hub area for between race stuff. I think a cohesive world like this is the way F-Zero should go, rather than just racing it should provide more of a world, provide alternate gameplay, have more story to it, etc. I remember loving Sodium, though this was also 2011-2013 for me personally, the entire project was 2009+, probably up until the death of PS Home in 2015? Sadly, with that death of PS Home, there's no access to it, unless there's some revival project I don't know about that also includes the various home spaces, so low quality videos are really the only way to experience Sodium these days. I'm also not familiar with Outso, they seem to be a Europe-based outsourcing team (I guess the name Outso makes sense now), that did some work within only PS Home, developing the spaces for SOCOM, Warhawk, Uncharted, Infamaous, and Resistance, Sodium seems to be their only original project; similarly the publisher, Lockwood Publishing, seems to be a mostly Home-centric publisher, Outso and Lockwood don't even have their own wiki pages but you can search pages that have their names in them for context of what they've done, with SCEA and SCEE being Sony Computer Entertainment of America and Europe. At the end of the day, Sodium is the perfect template for F-Zero going forward. Online hub world with other activities, a sprawling world, online with a reasonably high cap, the game doesn't have to be super demanding, world lore could be easily shoehorned in, a single player side with an actual story could also be shoehorned in. Combine the template of Sodium with the things Giles wanted to do, throw in the updated visual style that newer alternatives are coming out with, along with the classic F-Zero aesthetic, and it'd be a fairly cohesive game that has a lot to provide, and via that online hub world with side content it could evolve over time; hell, even throw in some generated track segments, one of the previous devs wanted to do it, and there's been other studios that have done similar, for example FOAM Entertainment's Riff Racer that algorithmically generates tracks based on a music file. There's massive potential, beyond just a racing game with a loose story, if Nintendo would greenlight a project; I mean, we've seen similar with Splatoon, we have the online game focus, a hub world with side content, and a single player that has a shifted focus and story, and we've seen how Splat has evolved between titles, there's no reason why F-Zero couldn't follow a similar world formula, especially when Sodium did the groundwork a decade ago and other titles are filling the various niches.

[@jgodden8022]

What an interesting bit of insight. Don't know anything about that particular corner of gaming history.

[@xaytana]

@@jgodden8022 PS Home was extremely niche. I'm not even sure how popular it was, I think it only lasted so long due to how much of a money sink it was for Sony, considering a large amount of exclusive IPs were outsourced and how the three major branches of SCE were involved in it. It definitely catered towards the MMO social world space crowd, so IMVU, Roblox, Habbo, etc., though it was all Sony made/curated worlds and not really custom or personal worlds. I'd say it was ahead of its time, and might make a comeback now that everyone is doing their own metaverse thing. I remember one of the few promoted events I participated in was E3 of some year, long before anyone else started doing digital tradeshows and conferences, and those were mostly a product of the pandemic rather than a feature to increase viewership of said tradeshow. I also remember some minigolf game, disconnected from any IP similar to how Sodium was an original project, basically the proto-form of social golf games like Golf With Your Friends. Maybe it got less niche in its later years, but I didn't get a chance to spend all that much time in it, I just remember Sodium being one of my favorite spaces with the time I did spend within Home. There is a revival project called Destination Home. I'm not sure what the scope of it is, current states, or when an open release is projected to happen. Late October of this year saw a closed beta, but again I have no idea _how much_ this actually covers, as PSH was massive. Honestly DYKG should do a video on Home, both its original iteration and the revival project, there's probably enough content there for an entire series of videos.

[@ja4039]

Actual game journalism. Thank you for putting in real work on this stuff! Really interesting.

[@SamsonSaysandTheEvilGenius]

Story mode, online, upgradeable ships; armor, health, boost cababilty, aerodynamics, custimazation, paint art work lights. Alot stuff i dreamed about playing fzero on snes

[@Celuan1999]

If the formula needs to be evolved to justify a new entry why not add weapon mods that can be unlocked on the final lap similar to how the booster is unlocked on the 2nd lap? Like how in the Speedracer film the vehicles had these secret weapons inside of them, imagine if there were character specific weapons such as Michael Chain firing a hook shot onto another racer to spin them around like a wrecking ball, or the hitman Pico having a sniper cannon, or The Skull being able to drop curse fields that siphon energy. That kind of innovation I think can breath new life into the series. Add a good campaign that's not just for masochists with maybe a Three Houses esque hub that you can walk around to buy parts or take on bounties while being able to interact with the characters and I think that would be a very appealing title for returning veterans who want high speed madness and newcomers who to get into the series.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Nah don't bother thinking about any of that. That's just Miyamoto BS. Racing games are not supposed to be highly innovative, unlike many other Nintendo's franchises. It's not like Zelda. Just look at racing franchises, scifi or normal. Good sequels need to have better graphics, better controls and physics/mechanics, and good levels. Simple. So he's making a bad excuse to refuse reviving FZ.

[@yourfavouritenerd]

As someone that loved F-Zero X, Aero GPX is is really fun and from what I can remember, a bit harder. There is a demo on Steam, so if anyone wants to give it a try and fall in love all over again, I can highly recommend it.

[@CAB-yu8uj]

I am very happy to see this, I remember see you guys at OLL telling about this. I am very privileged to have that moment! :)

[@delphoxlatias1821]

We were SO CLOSE to having an unofficial official new f-zero WHY

[@jinzo664]

Honestly, I'm over constantly frowning over the lack of F-Zero games. At this point, I ask everyone to put your full support behind Aero-GPX. The demo was mindblowing, and I backed it.

[@bananabike279]

Thank you for this video! Massive respect for not pressuring Giles to show the demo build for the sake of content (although I hope one day we eventually get to see it)

[@rodrigoalvas1866]

a battle royale fzero game!! random generated tracks that gets more complicated each race and the players that survive the most or even win the race wins, like fall guys or something, that would be an awesome idea for the online multiplayer aspect of a f zero game

[@newageBoundhippie]

a battle royale mode based on F-Zero X's death race mode would be a great way to do multiplayer beyond standard racing. it's such an obvious concept....but Nintendo constantly feels either blind/oblivious, stubborn af or just plain backwards to just use their IPs these days unless they can shoehorn some gimmick into it that will alienate most of the existing fanbase ( unless it's Mario in which case they rehash the same basic ideas and the same handful of characters & enemies and call it a day after thinking up a couple new power ups )

[@squidtheinconsistent]

thats actually a pretty genius idea. I don't think anything that comes close to that has been done before, not even Forza Horizon's BR. I think that alone could justify a new game.

[@kid14346]

Thank you for shouting it out at the end, but I can't wait for Aero GPX. For those that don't know it is coming out on steam, the kickstarter just ended, and there is a demo on steam.

[@MonitorLizardTV]

"The whole thing ended up falling apart, we'll spare you the details" that sounds like the fun part tho! "Legal concerns" are what keep a lot of lost games under wraps, and if nothing else, I think it would be cool to understand those a little more specifically. Like why is it that showing what's essentially a fan-game in a non-competitive, non-sales, non-pitch context could endanger the future of a company? I think the details of a game's industry legalities are just as fun as the details of the game itself, and would always be interested in hearing about them in future videos.

[@TriforceWisdom64]

Even if the legal team was 100% sure they're in the clear, Nintendo might not be happy with them releasing an F-Zero demo to the public.

[@CAB-yu8uj]

CORRECTION: at 1:20 - BS F-Zero Grand Prix never released on the 64DD, it was for the satelleview :) F-Zero X Expansion kit was released for the 64DD

[@MrFunnyManChris]

I bought the gfx from a retro game store near me for like $20. The problem that I had was yes the difficulty. I legit couldn't get passed the intro. Didn't have time to grind on it. My buddy who I used to work with wanted it. So I gave it to him few years ago as a Christmas gift

[@squidtheinconsistent]

the story mode really isn't a great place to start on GX, even some better players struggle with it on NORMAL difficulty. the best starting point for the average player is the main GP on Novice skill, just because learning the physics and driving techniques takes a while and the game will leave no room for error on standard or above. I'd suggest giving it a second shot if you ever get the chance. It's a really fun game once it clicks.

[@justsayin4632]

Nintendo’s had major VR rumors the last few years. If that ever came to fruition, F-Zero HAS to be a part of that. Imagine it. Just imagine it….

[@avaboaudione]

Played the Aero GPX demo. Had an absolute blast. Can't wait for online play.

[@Kummahndough]

The dev already stated on the Kickstarter that online play is beyond his skillset and that it's more than likely not possible. Disappointing, but I'm honestly not too upset myself.

[@avaboaudione]

@@Kummahndough oh... didnt know that. Well shucks

[@nahometesfay1112]

@@Kummahndough I wonder if GGPO (a form of rollback netcode intended for a variety of fighting games) would work on a racing game

[@orangeslash1667]

@@avaboaudione The only reason why F-zero was made is because Nintendo of America assumed that Americans only liked edgy racing games, but once Mario Kart 64 came out Nintendo of America was proven wrong.

[@jacealbine]

"What do we want that they haven't done before?" New tracks New story mode Great graphics Super fast gameplay And most importantly of all mass online multiplayer Could you imagine racing against 30 people online with peoples ships blowing up all around you as you speed around? It would be awesome.

[@robofistsrevenge3288]

"Nintendo are very wary of using old IP...It's much easier to go with a new IP than reuse an old one." Are we...still talking about Nintendo? I guess the most frustrating thing about Miyamoto's "We already gave you F-Zero in the past, what more do you want?" excuse is that there is currently no way to play a majority of these games on the Switch. Yeah, you can play the SNES game via Nintendo Online and the N64 game if you shell out for the Expansion Pass, but what about the GBA games? What about the Gamecube game? They're not re-releasing their own library, expecting us to...I guess pay exorbitant prices to third-party sellers to play on hardware that's well over two decades old? Because emulation will apparently get you sued. What more do we want? _Access to the franchise, Miyamoto._

[@HDGamerofficial]

I’ve been wanting a new F-Zero for soooo long, I got the Snes one, F-Zero X, GP Legend on my Wii u, I got Fast Racing Neo on Wii u, Fast RMX on switch, I’m gonna get Aero GPX (hoping it comes to switch) and I’ve been trying to get my hands on a copy of GX for years. It’s great to know that there’s devs that still want to make a new game, hopefully this’ll mean something in the future 🤞

[@Austinator0630]

Speaking of Suzak, Nintendo later brought them on board to do Wario: Master of Disguise.

[@StonedPriest]

A spiritual successor with custom vehicles like GX, and quirky colorful characters would be an instant purchase for me. GX is my all time favorite game.

[@TheIandustry]

Gotta love the F-Zero Giiyums!

[@EvilPixel]

lmaooo

[@st0rmcat]

Yeah what accent?

[@COLOFIDUTI]

after playing motorstorm apocalypse ive been dreaming of a f zero game with track deformation and destruction,scripted events etc.The future sci fi elements would give so much freedom: imagine racing on a track that circles a black whole;or racing through a volcanic planet raging eruption;or a race on a planet with huge tsunamis like that of interestelar movie...That would be the thing Miyamoto San was looking for when it comes tô something never done in the series.

[@elock]

Game barely ever sells, people ask "why has there not been an F-Zero game in many years?"

[@squidtheinconsistent]

it doesn't help that the final game released they restricted to Japan, the country where F-Zero has notoriously sold the worst, and throughout the franchise they advertised the game less and less and less. It's the same thing as Chibi-Robo. No shit the game failed, they didn't advertise it, and since the game failed, they advertise the next one less because the previous one failed, but in doing so make an even bigger failure, until they basically executed the franchise because they didn't want to just make a game people wanted and advertise it at the same time.

[@custom-r]

They kind of never gave it a fair chance in the first place.

[@jayst]

Strange, I feel like this video was almost hidden. I normally get notified when you guys upload, and at the very least will see it at the top of my KZbin “homepage” when I open the site. This time I was left in the dark 😢 Anyways, another banger!! I absolutely loved F-Zero, and am one of the many many fans who feel totally neglected by Nintendo. I get that Nintendo feels disincentivized to develop a new game based on historically low sales in previous titles, but it’s annoying when they make radical changes in a new title for a “risky” series and are confused at why it didn’t do well. Oh well :p

[@haydenetic]

1:17 ig a script error, b/c BS F-Zero 1&2 were on the Satellaview for SNES, not the 64DD. Though, the 64DD *did* receive an F-Zero X expansion in the cleverly titled F-Zero X Expansion Kit.

[@NekoBoyOfficial]

A track editor like the N64 DD would be enough to make it stand out. It doesn't need to be "revolutionary" to sell well. Nintendo's biggest impediment is themselves.

[@mattstyles2498]

How the hell did the sales suck soo much. I dont know anyone that didnt like it. Ya it's a bit too difficult for casual players but that's easy to fix.

[@custom-r]

Bad timing. F-Zero GX in 2003, with GameCube being poor in reception overall GP Legend and Climax which came way too soon on GBA when DS was getting ready to launch. The anime being 52 episodes failed internationally. Didn't even get halfway done in United States. And ate up budget that would have been used for a potential DS or Wii title.

[@flashn00b]

I think the only thing left for F-Zero at this point is for a new Mario Kart game to have a dedicated F-Zero Circuit, along with all the hover vehicles from that franchise.

[@ZeroMayhemZX]

I'd be happy with a GX remaster with all the AX stuff unlocked at this point.

[@KreshWC]

That's what I've been saying for years. Just remaster GX with AX, give it online play and it will sell.

[@charlestaylor5150]

F-Zero 99 just sparked it back up... We need another new game

[@napoleonfeanor]

Giles could do a crowdfunding campaign and just ditch the brand for it and call it spiritual successor.

[@nahometesfay1112]

It seems to me like a lot of people have tried to do that... I think some of the appeal is the world, characters and aesthetic which is hard to capture with a new IP

[@napoleonfeanor]

@@nahometesfay1112 I think it would not be very hard to create something very similar, especially if it is modeled on the art style of the F-Zero 64 and SNES game's world. Of course, it would never be as big as a real F-Zero but still. If the project has a lot of success in relation to what they had as a budget, maybe Nintendo will eventually allow them an attempt. Also: an own IP would not need to be Switch exclusive. Trying probably won't hurt.

[@equiroz77]

Excellent video, I miss playing F Zero X

[@joshoshea3194]

I'd be much more than happy with F-Zero GX on Switch. But an F-Zero GX REMASTERED on Switch would really fly my kite!

[@ozma6918]

Oh boy, F-Zero GX... played that since high school TBH. Me and one of my friends jokingly (tried to) introduce the game to other friends saying they'd need teflon fingers to play this. Sure enough, the two of us were in a tier of our own among the players we knew. Never really got to play it with anyone else, sadly. But these races we had together? Heck, our races were so intense and close, often needed to be counted down to the 100th of a second or less, that we often made the GameCube lag. Good times!

[@jaye4521]

I'm all for more futuristic racing games, and Aero GPX in particular looks highly promising and worth any F-Zero fan's attention. Still, no matter how many developers put out great spiritual successors, I know I'll never be fully satisfied until we see an honest-to-god new entry in the series. Something about F-Zero specifically - the physics, the art, the music, the characters, etc. - makes it irreplaceable to me. A new F-Zero is what I most want to see from Nintendo at this point - I'd trade 5 Fire Emblem games, some Kirbys, and even a couple of Zeldas just to see it happen.

[@DXS_RyonGoris]

I would love to see F-zero revived into a racing/visual novel. Imagine Cowboy Bebop, Initial D and Megalo Box except it's F-zero. You play as Captain Falcon, contracted bounty hunter. Your mission is to bring down an intergalactic super mafia who runs a corrupt high speed space racing series. To do so you enter the races, travel between different tracks and towns from planet to planet, meet all kinds of cool, threatening, wacky and funny characters, some friendly (they may even be your colleagues) and some not so friendly. Imagine you arrive on the next planet and in the first race there is this local big shot who is clearly part of the mafia and he cheats like crazy, you don't stand a chance. So next you go into a more story driven visual novel part where you end up sabotaging the bad guys cheating scheme and thus you end up winning fair and square and move on to the next GP. Free pitch!

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

If there is one golden opertunity for an F-Zero revival; the Switch would be it. Just about every single 1st or 2nd party Nintendo IP had their best selling installement on Switch. Zelda, kirby, Metroid, you name it. Nintendo does not need to worry it won't sell well (because it will) they just have to make the bloody thing!

[@daveknox7249]

We need an F-ZERO with track editing, online sharing, and competitive online Grand Prix. It could play like F-ZERO X for all I care, but Goddard's game sounds incredible! It would be great to see physical damage (cracked windshields, broken panels, fire) on the machines. The broken turbines idea is so awesome.

[@buchiklop110]

14:45 THANK YOU. Every time I bring up the whole "F-Zero wouldn't cost much to make" point, I keep getting shot down with "All games are expensive and a new F-Zero would be guaranteed to fail because of GX" and other such bullshit excuses.

[@custom-r]

Yeah, that's really dumb. Anyone saying things like that aren't really thinking.

[@goranisacson2502]

I would really like him to go into further detail on HOW exactly the game would only end up costing a million or so. Like, how many people are developing it for that money? Do they already have an engine built, do they already have courses made- how on earth does it slip through for that low price?

[@richardsonrichly8456]

0:49 so thats why f-zero gx and yakuza music sounds so similar

[@dewww3368]

I know this video will be good even before watching

[@albertoromero5075]

I was vomit when I was start watching the video and hear the worst narration!!! 🤮

[@albertoromero5075]

I'm confused, is this a comment bot or did I win for no reason?

[@Rat_King_Covenant]

It frustrates me that Nintendo is like, "yeah the last game was really good, so we're not going to make another one because we don't know how to top it, or innovate it." And I get that, because their brand is basically known for being creative and making sure each game stands out from anything else, even previous titles. Buuuut, people just want more of what they like. Just make it look nice, feel smooth and responsive, add some stable online play, have a reliable framerate, and make it so you can share replays and custom maps/vehicles. Maybe even do a story mode for each character and boom, there's your game. We don't need any weird gimmicks, or anything that compromises what made F-Zero good in the first place. Just some of that good old fast-paced chaotic future racing to some of the greatest soundtracks of all time. Just like we remember.

[@Rat_King_Covenant]

@Checkmyprofile__ piss off

[@Louie_Log]

F-ONE when?

[@DonutBurger]

That'll be the day.

[@Nekotaku_TV]

You know what F-1 is right? ._.

[@Louie_Log]

@@Nekotaku_TV wot

[@AHMEDRAVENBARNACLE-84]

We have F-ZERO AX Monster ride cabinet in Kuwait,it’s still working.

[@MoonPrincess28]

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not a fan of F-Zero. Racing games just aren't my thing. However, for the sake of the F-Zero fans, I'd like to see it come back.

[@Lifescythe]

Really Nintendo? You don't know what direction to take the series? *USE THE LORE!!* F-Zero is a world filled with Bounty Hunters, Government Agents, Assassins, Child soldiers, Gang Leaders, Corporate Kingpins, Crime Lords, Thief Clans, Body Guards, Super Heroes, Super Villains, Clones, Cyborgs, Robots, Time Travelers, Aliens, and Evil Emperors! That's more than enough to work with, in addition to the Racing. It's also an untapped well that could create an entirely new generation of fans.

[@goranisacson2502]

A new direction that will sell well, is where I believe the problem lies. All that stuff you just mentioned are neat storyhooks, but if the gameplay hook has only resulted in diminish returns so far, it doesn't really help them that they have all this cool lore, does it?

[@Lifescythe]

@@goranisacson2502 Actually, I gave this some thought. There would be a way for a story mode that captures the Lore AND the racing. They could have a story mode that is radically different from the racing. They could structure it like the Arkham games where you can leave your car and free roam as the character. Or a compromise where you have a section where your character can free roam and interact with people but you have to go somewhere to trigger the cutscene that will jumpstart the racing segment. You could have chapters that have you play as different characters, each contributing their part of the main story. Each chapter can be dedicated to a rivalry. Guster vs Goroh (Guster could be a bodyguard for Kate Alen and Goroh could capture her for money) The Arrows vs Zoda (Zoda could strap civilians to his car and the Arrows have to chase him down without hitting him-or its game over) Federation vs Takora (Jody, Tanaka, and Lily think Octoman knows about a terrorist attack on the Federation. You play as Octoman and have to survive their attacks but can't destroy them cause your machine's technology is weak) Pico vs Roger Buster and Draq (someone hires Pico to stop them from delivering their machines, which just got claimed by the owner, and you have to dodge his rocket fire, the effects of which cause road obstructions that can kill you) Phoenix/QQQ vs Deathborn (Phoenix chasing Deathborn through the timestream-a phantom road esque place) C. Falcon vs. B. Falcon (Falcon is chasing Blood Falcon after Blood Falcon killed his bounty before he could turn him in, only to be led to Black Shadow) Black Shadow is behind everything and the final level is everyone racing to stop Black Shadow from getting something that will allow him to destroy/remake the universe and each character has a common ending (Black Shadow's defeat-unless you play and win as him) plus a character ending unique to the person you beat it with.

[@axelarias3067]

Thank you lythero for being in this episode.

[@Qtip290]

Aero-GPX is so far the only F-zero-like game that felt like F-zero. Fast, Redout, and the others are great but they all feel more like burnout. I am sure Gile's attempt at a fast futuristic racer will be great, but the idea of pileups and blown engines might interfere with the unique feel of F-zero.

[@BabyDanielBD]

I think Nintendo sees zero value in making a new F-Zero as sales were just pretty much declining hard after the original. Sure, a Switch could sell quite well, but firstly that applies to every 1st party that is currently on the system and secondly, that is not their mindset when deciding what games should get sequels

[@JaronOdele]

7:45 has me thinking... Of 'F-Zero like games', a really underrated one in my opinion was Powerdrome for the PS2. I wish I had more local friends to play that with even today...