Why Nobody Plays Toons | Yu-Gi-Oh!

[@MorallyAmbigousEnby]

I remember having a Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon as a kid and just using it like a regular Blue-Eyes during recess. None of my friends called me out on it because none of us were brave enough to read the effect start to finish.

[@mlee4815]

screw the rules I'm illiterate

[@fav843]

Lol imagine bringing a triamid deck to playground yugioh

[@knightchef]

Lol my brothers would often get frustrated if my cards had a dam scroll wheel of text.

[@smievil]

too much text, my only weakness

[@violetsparkles5453]

@@mlee4815 "This sign wont stop me cuz i cant read"

[@NastyCanasta561]

My first deck as a kid was the Pegasus starter deck, getting toon blue eyes out always made my day as both toon blue eyes and toon world were unsearchable one-ofs in my 60 card deck 😄

[@MeanderingSlacker]

Why would I want to play less than 60 cards, I have 60 good cards.

[@TheRedScizor]

@@MeanderingSlacker TRUE

[@guythat779]

Based

[@gravethestampede3454]

@@MeanderingSlacker you run less to decrease your bricking odds and get to important one-ofs faster

[@greatstate58]

@@gravethestampede3454 you sound like a man who doesn’t have 60 good cards...

[@AndreaGiuseppeCastriotta]

As a concept, Toons are amazing: They are basically a "What if we play Magic in Yu-gi-oh?" To use them properly you need a Land (Toon World), they have summoning sickness, they can attack directly unless the opponent has Toon "blockers", etc The fact that they are used in the story by Duel Monsters creator and are based on American cartoons aesthetic is cherry on top as reference to Yu-gi-oh original inspiration YGO can be incredibly creative at times but, alas, as we saw with Cardians, trying to play another cardgame within a cardgame it's simply a nice experiment more than something groundbreaking (as, I guess, it's correct in concept)

[@guythat779]

What game is cardians trying to play? Solitaire?

[@flexican5399]

F magic, all my homies hate magic

[@mayayamato7351]

@@guythat779 Hanafuda, famously Nintendo produced Hanafuda cards at their founding before video games were invented.

[@Rivarham]

Cardians are extremely gimmicky, but once the player has the combo built up, it's really fun to see how it works. It requires a lot of set up.

[@joshuahadams]

Toon DMG has Haste then, I guess.

[@DeezCards]

I won a huge tournament in 2004 you’ve never heard of that didn’t exist with toons what do you mean nobody plays them

[@Kawaiisikkusu]

"ok so first of all, its because of the KZbin Algorithm"

[@GIOBLANCO1]

Toon deck got me all the way to gold 4 on master duel. I think it’s viable, I’ve taken down some friends with my toon deck IRL even though it’s not even completed yet lol it’s not too bad and it’s slowness is 100% secured if you have the right hand traps and a nibiru

[@GIOBLANCO1]

Alsoooo, toon book mark exists, if you instead searched for TBM, instead of thinning the deck with ToC you’d be saving your kingdom by banishing it to grace when it’s targeted for destruction. Gotta have faith :)

[@endoesstupidstuff3566]

@@GIOBLANCO1 bro I need help how fo you get toon cards in master duel

[@VEGBOSS-1996]

​@@endoesstupidstuff3566 go to your deck and select "change deck" search about toon or anything related and u will find the toon collection but before Provided that you buy the card and you will see a shiny gold key, click on it and it will lead you directly to the collection, but make sure that you have enough resources first

[@PricefieldPunk]

Nothing shocked me more then seeing the Toon World card as a kid. I thought it would have so many effects and it just said pay 1000 life points to use and I was like WTF? 😂

[@Arak_Drakoniz]

That effect alone was enough to make me say I will never use toons.

[@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist]

@@Arak_Drakoniz Well, when you only had 4k LP understandable.

[@Arak_Drakoniz]

@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwisteven with a full 8k I wouldn’t. Throw in the 500 per attack? Yeah, their effect aren’t all that.

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

I run precicely zero toon worlds in my toon deck.

[@dubstepsoundwave-yo8te]

Haha, seems I can whip out more toons due to having several aroma jars in my deck, very handy in defense, indestructible by battle and 500 gained per turn? Yes please!

[@mattr791]

Reminds me of back in the early 2010s there was 1 dude who would always bring toons to locals. It was simultaneously the most expensive deck in the room with one of the lowest winrates while being responsible for like 60-70% of all judge calls

[@brandoncastellano1858]

Sounds like a hero.

[@DapaChrons]

what a chad

[@Ayrcantada]

me and that dude would make be great buds. TWO guys playing overpriced decks that barely win!

[@horusschnopp1882]

I'd literally be that guy. I would continue being that guy but the people around where I currently live really hate people like that. Sucks...

[@magicsack]

I'd be the Yujo friendship to unity to hand pants insert guy for the autowin for those who don't know about the idea acceptance clause.

[@mitsuruhype]

Every time I look at toons, they make me think "this would be a nice gimmicky otk deck" and then I look at all of the different types of contradicting effects for their support and think "this would be a cool gimmicky control deck instead" and then realize how fragile the deck is for control and can't help but crumble in a ball of tears knowing this cool concept for an archetype will keep getting shattered by any small gust of wind

[@kingkuriboh4528]

Yeah they only give crazy good effects to anime girl cards 😔 I wish I could use a deck from my childhood like back when Blue eyes was competitive

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@@kingkuriboh4528 You mean for that 1 week between a banlist nuking every good deck in preparation for worlds and a set that released new viable archetypes?

[@kingkuriboh4528]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Lol best week of my life

[@DimkaSulegnaa]

@Burst Your Bubble It was for a brief time back in 2016.

[@balisticemerald8512]

This is the point where you embrace the crumbleness and try to summon as many Toon Mermaids as possible in one turn

[@Thatposer444]

I think the single largest thing holding Toons back is their unique gimmick: attacking directly. Making them have summoning sickness, making them require Toon World and making them bad at swarming are all intentional balancing decisions to counteract their ability to ignore your opponent’s monsters. If they’d never had that particular “playstyle” they’d probably have been made a lot more playable at this point.

[@HoveringAboveMyself]

And that was entirely self-inflicted on Konami's part, in the manga/anime, all Toon World did was give a wonky form of battle protection to your regular monsters (visually represented by them becoming toons). If only they had followed and improved upon that concept instead. Edit: I just realized my last sentence just repeats yours, I'll change it a bit.

[@jofx4051]

They can improve toon, they give toon bookmark but it is stupid ONLY give additional protection for freaking TOON WORLD also its only OPT like WE DONT WANT TO BREAK BAD TOON DECK

[@Entei9000]

To be fair, battle protection was sorta OP back when Toons were first introduced to the game. I mean hell Marshmallon and Spirit Reaper were limited to 1 for a long time solely for that reason

[@reguluxd1237]

Ge0ew

[@HerrenGamingNews]

I'd love for toons to become viable without just using negates, I'd love for Yu Gi Oh to have more than just endless negates and watching your opponent play solitaire for 10 mins straight. We need to get rid of the control meta what's the point of playing if you cannot play to begin with?

[@VinegarPotato]

I'm a big fan of toons in duel links. Pegasus with the free toon world skill is great

[@julesgindraux2985]

Can we also talk about how 2020 gave us Toon Chaos, and that set didn’t contain a desperately needed reprint of Toon Kingdom?

[@BmanTheChamp]

That's Komoney for ya.

[@VixYW]

@@BmanTheChamp Which is dumb because that way people go buy from other people instead of them...

[@nicoleseraphita7613]

It was reprinted in another set like a month later? So who cares.

[@rayvmz1274]

@@nicoleseraphita7613 it also got an ultimate rare reprint in ots pack.

[@BlackBeartic229]

@@nicoleseraphita7613 It shouldn't have needed an entire nother set. It should've been reprinted right then and there. That was the point. It's always the bad decks they wanna do this with too. Never the good

[@Kura_mon]

As a fan of toons, I think noone should be mad at you for saying that toons just aren't competitive. No need for you to justify yourself this much in my humble opinion. Thank you for the entertainment, I love your videos ❤️

[@joshuahadams]

Toons are fun and dumb. Great for Messing around with shenanigans, ~crap~ for tournaments and the like.

[@mirraisnow6050]

A lot of competitive decks are boring to play so when I play with friends I break out my casual stuff

[@kinglysander100]

I think toons needs extra deck cards. Neos could be the fusion, stardust the synchro, Utopia the XYZ etc. And I think incorporating pendulums that act as toon world and set up the scale for summoning higher level monsters would be the best thing to do!

[@maxcrss2845]

They need to be able to swarm and or have a pricey, easy to out option to remove the summoning sickness

[@felixdaniels37]

@@maxcrss2845 Or they just need REALLY strong control options that can shut down the opponent long enough to attack directly.

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

Toon fans would probably spit and sneer at the idea.

[@user-lg5xu6id5j]

Toon pends that count as toon world or did good toon support would be awesome

[@Rivarham]

@@user-lg5xu6id5j Toon Dark Artist/Pain Painter and Toon Castle of Illusions as pendulum ideas. They can bring only Toon Monsters, act as Toon World or special activate a Toon World and give it a nice protection effect without being that broken. Also, side note, they missed the opportunity to create a card that help toons called Industrial Illusions (Pegasus' company).

[@zakd2124]

“Like a toon stratos” it took me a couple seconds before realizing it can LITERALLY just be a Toon Stratos

[@KapuRiki]

I would love to seen Too HEROes. Like Toon HERO Stratos or Took HERO Neos. If extra deck Toons ever became a thing, then Toons HERO Flame Wingman with the needed Toons HERO fusion monsters would be so much fun.

[@OwO377]

It take a decade for Konami to create official toon heroes and other archetype relate to toon type like toon magician,toon cyberdragon,toon ancient gear and other type as well.

[@servbot128]

@@KapuRiki Toon Red Eyed Dark Dargoon can technically happen lol

[@Clyde975]

But considering toons are usually based off consistent DM monsters aside from Ancieny Gear Golem, it wouldn't make sense to add a Stratos with Jaden barely used and is totally apart of its own archetype. It would make more sense for either a Neos and Extra Deck Toon or Sacrifice/relinquished monster. Possibly even a Toon God with more toon spells and traps. But Stratos wouldn't fit he deck. It's like saying give Utopia a Utopic Stratos or Dark Magcian Archetype a Odd-Eyes Dark Magcian.

[@alphamagnum13]

@@KapuRiki I would 100% play a toon flame wingman deck

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

This archetype has the most divergence between its gameplan and what its fans imagine how the decks works. In the anime, Toons were OP, being able to dodge attacks and preform crazy feets, even by Duelist Kingdom standard, whereas in the game they are slow and restrictive. Most of their monsters are based on DM & GX iconic cards which mostly means bricky high level boss monsters with effects that are battle focused, despite most Toons having Summoning Sickness and little swarming ability. The deck is kind of supposed to be a flashy beatdown that allow for direct attacking to close out games, whereas a control orientated & defencive playstyle is better, with focus on the Traps & Field Spell protecting everything. There is quite a disparagy in how Yugioh is shown & advertised and how we play the game. The 100 LP amazing Ace Monster comeback, with a heart of the cards top deck vs the methodical deck building focusing on consistency, tempo, versatility and meta analysis, for deck optimisation. Toons are the prime example.

[@calemr]

Yugi would get absolutely Stomped in any real world tournament because of this. A ton of random Goodstuff and big flashy creatures, with very little synergy. Dude runs cards he literally Cannot play unless he's playing with Joey. It looks cool when he throws out some super-specific counter card, but IRL, that just won't happen enough for it to matter.

[@Peashooter521]

@@steeveedragoon the need to reveal is implied. otherwise anyone could just go to a tournament and say they drew exodia

[@donavonhoward114]

@@steeveedragoon No, it's actually the opposite. The Konami real life imitation of the Duel Monsters card game can make the anime card game look more boring than it was ever supposed to be. The real life card game is a pale imitation of a great idea. Of course, as with every card game in real life, everyone eventually optimizes their decks to the point where everyone plays the same few strategies, and the game becomes less about creativity, and more about learning and copying everyone else. A meta is then created within the game itself, and the original beauty of the game becomes lost. How many Yugioh cards that were really cool in the anime ended up being useless in the Konami card game? Everyone uses the same few cards, and the game has become so much more bloated than ever before. To me the game was at it's best back in 2004-2008, but it even had a very complex meta back then as well. The game, and the shows should have stopped after GX. The anime is how the card game was supposed to be played, but as with everything in the real world, people would rather win than experiment, and it can be frustrating to try something that doesn't work consistently. I would do anything for the game to be more like the anime, and for cards to actually be hard to come by so not everyone could acquire certain cards. I don't even compare the real life Yugioh card game to the anime/manga, because it's not the same game. I hate when people put the two games in the same category, and criticize the anime's characters because they don't play the same boring meta that we do in real life.

[@horusschnopp1882]

@@donavonhoward114 This was compounded by how Konami started to race heavily towards embracing the archetype format and adding way too many game (summoning) mechanics. The power creep just made the meta-optimization worse.

[@fumoffu_l]

@@donavonhoward114 Half of what you said has been debunked by so many content creators (including the maker of this video). You state 2004-2008 as the best time of the game. Meanwhile, that's the time when Dark Armed Dragon was required to even win a single round at a regional. The meta back then was much more restrictive. I don't play much anymore, and 2003-2005 was when most of my playing happened. At my locals, almost everyone ran the same beat down strategy. There was no deck variety until me and a single other person shook it up. Also you're very very wrong if you think copying a deck means you can pilot it. On top of that, the people winning large scale tournaments aren't net decking. They are creating the net decks. You'll see the same deck types, but you won't see the same exact deck list when you get to top 8 or top 16. During 2004-2008 there would be maybe 5 decks that were even good enough to be considered rouge. Now we usually see 2-3 tier 1 decks, 2-3 tier 2, and 5-6 Rogue strategies. The variety is much larger, because Konami actively creates archetypes with intended synergy. Also "The anime was how the card game was supposed to be played" Is that way they play with 2000 LP? Is that why they don't have to tribute summon? Is that why they can play trap cards from their hands? TLDR; Almost everything you said is wrong; and you clearly just liked the game better when you were a kid, because you were a kid.

[@JJMomoida]

It's a shame, because I remember how, for a short while, toons sorta felt OP in my school. Now, granted, most kids there had JUST starter decks Kaiba and Yugi with very minor alterations from super early boosters like Metal Raiders and whatnot... But yeah, the fact that a toon monster could straight up just jump over your front row and attack you directly felt... well, it felt almost like cheating. It was one of those rare instances in which the real TCG actually sorta FELT like the anime in that you were fighting against these toons that would do weird, unorthodox things.

[@fumoffu_l]

I don't know about you, but kids in my elementary school assumed Toons were like the anime. So we thought they couldn't be destroyed by non toons. So we'd throw out a Toon Mermaid and it's like "hah! Your 3 blue-eyes are powerless against my Toon Mermaid!" Then 6 turns later we win from direct attacks because the opponent never top decked spell destruction

[@JJMomoida]

@@fumoffu_l Owing to the fact that this school was in a third-world country, we didn't exactly get the most up-to-date boosters or decks at the same time they would be released in, say, the US. As such, people were stuck with a rather small pool of cards for a while. At first, you bet that people were just dueling like in the anime, down to using just 2000 life points and all... I should also mention that this was a country where Spanish was the primary language, so this barrier exacerbated the issue of people just... not playing by the official set of rules. That said, we DID grow up with the game, and as time passed, kids came to actually read the card descriptions, and understand the rules of the game... So by the time the game picked up some more steam and more booster packs and decks were released (the Pegasus and Joey decks in this case), there weren't really a whole lot of issues or misunderstandings when it came to card text... Except for maybe Relinquished, which had... a LOT of text for a non-English-speaker to go through... lol

[@violetsparkles5453]

I built my decks from scratch when I was a kid and since we would bet cards I would get even more versatile while everyone else stuck to Kaiba or Yugi base decks cuz thats all they knew. I would never wanna face me on the playground.

[@platypusfox73]

It's a darn shame to as the Toon Monsters being Over Powered in the anime was one of the reasons why I wanted to build a Toon Deck as a kid.

[@Entei9000]

Yeah, it's kind of a shame that they were released so early in the game because the anime effects would've been pretty OP back then. These days they could've made them exactly like the anime or possible even stronger and they probably wouldn't be an issue

[@thescarecrow2710]

I ve loved toons ever since they were first released. Their artwork is priceless, their gimmicky direct attack fun and their appearance in the anime timeless. But if you re going to play toons, you can t expect to win. You are expected to have fun, that s kind of their whole point. Have fun, forget about strategy and rely on sheer dumb luck💞 -a toon player

[@diamondsanchez224]

The worst part about this archetype, almost like Blue-Eyes, Red-Eyes, and Dark Magician, is that it's extremely expensive too, while not at all being worth it. I've seen novice players purchase the cards for a Toon deck, rarely win their games, then either completely regret their purchase or complain that Yu-Gi-Oh is too expensive without realizing how many powerful budget decks are out there. I feel like if Konami is gonna make all these nostalgia-bait decks so expensive, the least they can do is make them worth it by making sure they're very strong.

[@Luna-Starfrost]

@Cookie monster 20-30 *

[@horusschnopp1882]

I mean, how is it nostalgia bait when Toon decks were around since the very beginning? And always had these problems?

[@diamondsanchez224]

@@horusschnopp1882 Look up the prices of Toon Kingdom, Toon BLS, Toon Bookmark, basically any of the good modern Toon support you need to play the deck.

[@diamondsanchez224]

@Cookie monster Marincess, Paleozoics, Altergeists, Magical Musketeer, True Draco, Shaddolls, Salamangreats, Gren Maju, any Pendulum deck, Graydle Kaiju from what I've seen, Gravekeepers, Zombies, Cyber Dragons, ABCs, Fur Hires, Unchained, Cubics, Subterror, I could go on about what budget decks are out there.

[@caseykazem4049]

Man you speak the truth. I made a toon deck for duel books and tried to battle with it. I lost so damn badly that, this being my first game and not knowing the rules so I’m not even following the rules, Im still lost. The guy I was against didn’t even tell me I couldn’t just throw out manga ryuran without a tribute. He just saw me using toon cards and was like oh yeah this will be easy.

[@knockers5943]

I’m glad he brought back “why nobody plays”!!

[@OwO377]

There lot like whole new type of cards Konami recently add for old archetype.

[@maskofthedragon]

Toon monsters are for some reason an entire type, despite every Toon having Toon in their name

[@AnRuixuan]

with the exceptions of Manga Ryu-Ran (part of the archetype) and Toon Alligator (not part of the archetype)

[@maskofthedragon]

@@AnRuixuan Manga Ryu-Ran is literally called Toon Dragon Egger in Japan, it's english name is just a tcg fuck up

[@MrCheeze]

There was no such thing as archetypes when Toons were first a thing.

[@Flash31893.]

Toon isn’t a type it’s a class like union spirit and tuner

[@Jay_R.]

@@AnRuixuan Toon Alligator is part of the archetype because it has "Toon" in its name. However, most Toon support cards only affect those monsters with the ability Toon, that is between brackets. The only cards that support Toon Alligator are Toon Table of Contents and Toon Dark Magician.

[@TheRetroReplay]

Not every deck needs to be a meta/competitive though, some are just meant for fun casual play and that’s the whole nature of toons, they’re supposed to be unique and play differently than the solitaire decks where 75% of the deck is staple cards that prevent your opponent from having a turn

[@draganreljic5568]

No one is asking for Konami to make Toons Meta/Competitive, poeple are just asking to make then deck somewhat playable against good decks

[@tubegerm6732]

the real reason nobody plays toons is because nobody can afford them

[@spaghettioverlord3247]

Everybody wants the cards, but nobody wants to use them.

[@princenoreally]

Alot of the toon cards are so expensive

[@ZidaneTribal93]

@@princenoreally why are they expensive

[@princenoreally]

@@ZidaneTribal93 no clue

[@themightyai-5302]

Toons are such a fun archetype since they take the more powerful cards from other archetypes and makes their effects about the toon archetype instead. The possibilities are endless, but it still seem like it's going slow. I feel like a step in the right direction would be a Battle Shogun of the Six Samurai-like card, so that the field spell would be readily accessible on turn one. Maybe even make that search effect non-negatable. I hope we see more in the future.

[@Kylora2112]

What Toons need: more Dark Magician, Red-Eyes, Cyber Dragon, and Harpie Lady (cards that establish field presence), and fewer Barrel Dragon and Buster Blader (cards that literally do nothing in Toons). basically take great generic monsters, give them another effect to fit in as Toons, and go from there (or make Toons of iconic archetype cards, like Toon HERO Stratos and Toonknight Altair). Their backrow is great, and they should be a "build a board, control the game for a turn, then swing for big damage." If they could attack directly the turn they're summoned, that'd be kinda stupid. It's just an incoherent mess right now. So yeah, cards that can special summon themselves or plus off of their summon and more control cards so you get a good stun deck that doesn't need to actually get over anything.

[@Dsauce128]

I use ancient gear cards with toon cards lol ancient gear dragon is pretty good at defending toon kingdom with its quick effect to negate spell/trap or card effects once per turn monsters like that will help out alot. And with a few terror kingdoms. Basically. Just kind of dont fully rely on a whole toon deck have enough to be able to get around and make sure u have enough protection on the field before even activating toon world/kingdom. Just have to be able to accept the gamble and be able to take loses if u lose because you lose your toon world and all toon monsters. But i mean shit when you do get a victory it feels pretty damn good 😂

[@Kloqdq]

This is an archetype I would love to see get a modern day structure deck just to try and get a few cards to hopefully tie it all together and give it available reprints for all the toon cards. It's a really cool archetype but it just lacks so hard in a consistent gameplay.

[@Roboshi2007]

I wish we got more toon of popular ace monsters, it feels like Cyber dragon was the first steps into doing GX era monsters but imagine if we got more, Toon Neos, Toon Stardust dragon, Toon Utopia?

[@XionSteel]

My favorite toon interaction was a random rogue toon otk, where they spend resources to get out toon dark magician girl who was one of the only toon at the time to not have the no attack clause on initial summon. boost her up to 8k with a combination of her own effect+megamorph, and then attack direct for game. At the time i was running semochi/reficule burn and just so happened to have a magical cylinder down. you can kind of guess what happened and no he was not amused by it lol.

[@samedwards3186]

Babe wake up, new Why Nobody Plays just dropped

[@cawrhy]

I had the idea for a “Toon Channel Flipper” or something like that, which is a cartoony-looking remote control for a TV that serves as a Stratos for the archetype, which gains the ability to let you special summon the monster you search as long as you control Toon World. I also thought of doing like a “ReTooned” version of some of the older cards, making a more modern version of the older, bad toons, and making them more viable as a rogue strategy.

[@flashbangjane1683]

As a die hard Toons fanatic of more years than I'd like to admit, I have zero issues with your cut and concise unbiased breakdown of them. Well done sir.

[@NotSpecialDude]

I think its because Toons are hampered by their anime appearance. There, the toon archetype's biggest strength was how un-interactable it was. Non-toons could not attack toons, period. Obviously, this wouldn't fly in the real card game, but despite that the monsters are still balanced as if they had the anime level immunity. Imagine it, if the toon type had a specific ruling that stated no non-toon can attack or kill a toon unless specifically mentioned via card effect.

[@Durgemann]

This man made this kind of video on both sacred beasts and Egyptian gods, both of which have gotten support since then. I’ll be expecting a toon structure deck within the next 3 years.

[@fumoffu_l]

Don't hold your breath. Even after a pack called "Toon Chaos" was released, the deck is still bad.

[@TheIcegiant]

I would love to hear your thoughts on if they printed a toon version of alot of newer famous cards like reverse power crept masterpiece or dragon rules or firewall. Toon as also very held back by thier lack of extra deck support i think a series of extra deck toons could give the archtype the boost it needs without going otk gimmick

[@DrakeSilver]

The problem with older toon monsters is very simple... they have their archetypical effect + the OG effect of the monster. This is bad because what it boils down to is that toons just end up having a whole bunch of random effects, leaving toons with little cohesion or end goal beyond "summon toon, attack directly!" Toons need some retrains from cards that Pegasus used that are normal monsters (parrot dragon, toon alligator, that random fusion monster) and give it effects that would benefit and create an end goal for toons.

[@BYERE]

I have to agree. I've always loved the Toon cards, but never really found a way to play them, even in just casual play. They're too restrictive to be viable as a deck.

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

Bruh, did you forget that bookmark protects kingdom from the grave?

[@AZ-rl7pg]

Toon Kingdom's effect should let you protect it from destruction by banishing a Toon from your hand face-down, since its cost for everything else banishing face-down too. It's from the hand instead of the deck just to limit it; you don't want a field card that gives all the opponents monster targeting/battle protection plus can't be destroyed as long as they have cards in the deck.

[@blackcadejo]

I think it should be protected from destruction AND banishing by discarding a normal card from your hand, even not a toon (once per turn). It could be still sent to the deck or GY, or returned to the hand

[@Bkindmonk]

They need tooners, and toon synchros, that require tooners instead of tuners. I think that is gimmicky enough for Konami to do. Make toon stardust dragon, and toon link monsters.

[@nunyabiznes33]

I like that, "TOONers". 😁

[@RobeonMew]

SIMPLE. Destroy Toon world, lose ALL your creatures.

[@BorderlandsBoy0]

The only thing “Toons” have got going for them in Duel links is Toon Dark Magician Girl being able to work with Berry Magician Girl to search and summon her if you have Toon world up and get a double Attack for game.

[@andilex01]

I feel like what makes toons weak is that so many things can target toon kingdom and toons without targeting. Maybe making them unaffected by card effects if kingdom is out. And more ways to protect kingdom. Like banish a new support card from grave and all cards with toon in their name are unaffected by cards effects or just one toon card is unaffected

[@minajmyles2687]

That’s exactly what they need

[@williamtommartin-berry4011]

I agree, I have been playing toons For a while now and always have liked them as a deck. When I do play my toon deck with my friends just for fun or casual play because I know it won’t stand against tournament play. I agree with you, when tune kingdom gets destroyed the deck is almost unplayable.

[@KingBat]

I've been playing toons regularly for about a year. The deck itself plays really well until your opponent learns the only three strategies you can do with the deck and they counter it from them on.

[@Leogryph]

I play toons fairly regularly. Definitely my favorite deck. Most people don't have an out to how invincible everything is, and the fact they can all attack directly. Maybe they might have a kaiju, but not often enough. I win most of the time with toons, although every once in a while I'll go against someone who has a lot of card destruction. If your opponent can regularly clear your field spell card zone, this deck loses very easily

[@Modie]

As someone who had a few Toon cards back in the day, I feel the main problem from a design perspective is that Toon cards were not supposed to be an "archetype". Toon cards were basically just toon versions of popular cards. They weren't new, they were just cards that already existed + having the toon effect. So it was not like you had effects in these cards that would play off each other. It seems like Konami at least added new effects to some of the toon cards later on, but as long as they are just redoing popular cards (and they are mainly popular due to the anime), then the main thing missing is some strategy that goes beyond "summon and attack directly". I mean, just having a monster that could protect Toon world itself would already be helpful.

[@NickersonGeneral]

This comments section just makes me shake my head. Could you imagine if any other competitive game was like this? "Lol, who the heck is this Magnus Carlson guy to tell me how to play chess? I just shotgun my queen every 3rd turn and I win most of my games (that are against amateurs/randos online), therefore I know better than professional chess players how to win this game"

[@doomsday1131]

I would love to have a competitive toon deck. But I'll wait for the altergeist with Pookuery update video..😁

[@shade5640]

I agree with everything you said. Just don't tell anyone in my local hobby store... None of them know how to play against my toons for some reason.

[@duckyjellomana4316]

“Toon might be the most field spell reliant deck in the game” Earthbound Immortal: Hi

[@8bitdiedie]

Malefics: Am I a joke to you?

[@Ridley882]

@@8bitdiedie Yes. You and your Malefic House.

[@ghost2coast296]

I was just reminiscing earlier today on my 6th grade attempt at a toon deck back in 04, and then this video pops up at the top of my front page recommendations. Creepy ass algorithm. Mind you I haven't thought about this game in years and my thought never left my head.

[@LunaticKD1991]

Pegasus' face right now --> 😡

[@dethstalker59]

I would really like to see extra deck toon monsters. It's been a long time coming for that and would be a cool new twist on the toon archetype

[@fumoffu_l]

I Think that's the biggest problem. Sure you can search out a decent toon monster while also thinning the deck by 6-7 cards, but the result is a single monster on the field. And no Toon Kingdom, or no Toons in hand to tribute with, you may not even be able to play that card. And even if you can, any other archetype is going to combo, and build a much stronger board using the extra deck, and all you have is a single toon monster that took 6 cards to get, is dependent on a field card with no protections staying in play, and isn't hard to run over with most extra deck monsters. There's no combo potential. There's no good strategy. I'd wager even a less than perfect Ice Barrier deck would easily beat out toons. It just can't go anywhere.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Me: “Hahaha! When will those Toon players learn!” Also me: *Sweats in fear he makes a video about Contrast Hero Chaos*

[@eleonarcrimson858]

That card sucks a massive dck it actually makes me sad 😔

[@auranecropolis2848]

Chaos is easy to summon with necro fusion but not worth the extra deck space

[@4EverBanishment]

Nobody plays tools simply because Pegasus J. Crawford didn't release them to the public. So we consumers don't have access to the Toon archetype. Very unfortunate 😕

[@aurafox1]

How about a "Toon Reboot" archetype that focuses on summoning Toon monsters from the GY and allowing them quick jabs at the opponent's lifepoints along with other support effects?

[@Deathmare235]

Or extra deck like toon elemental hero flame wing man and toon stardust dragon

[@aurafox1]

@@Deathmare235 The joke with the Toon Reboot thing was to bring back dead cartoons in a modern era.

[@jare3459]

Toon monsters got a huge Skill cap only Pegasus can pull off

[@silverslayer6262]

Ironic for the creator of duel monsters to play a terrible deck.

[@gaukaiser]

And the king of games is playing mushroom man

[@BmanTheChamp]

So terrible he kicked the World Champion's ass. (Yeah, I know, he used weird magical glowy eye powers)

[@matthewbyrom5394]

Last year I won a tournament using a Tune deck it almost impossible to counter the only way to properly stop a tune user it's go after their life points directly not the monsters but their actual direct attacks

[@Roboshi2007]

what's really weird is that they're not just an archetype but an entire "type" of card, toon is treated the same way as "effect" or "union" or "fusion"

[@flexican5399]

Or normal

[@CobraRedSNK]

As an Avid toon deck player, I agree, I ran several of my toon decks, including my Speed duel variants, and they have at the highest a 72% win rate, the average unfortunately being a 59% most of that is luck. I often make jokes on Facebook on Team APS' fb page about them being amazing, but I do want to see a bit more out of them.

[@crestfallenwarrior5719]

This Archetype needs a continues Spell that reads: "This Cards name is treated as "Toon World". "Toon"-Monsters can Attack the turn they are summoned. Once per Turn: If a "Toon"-Monster is special summoned, draw a Card."

[@guitar242465]

Toons is one of my 5 favorite decks to play, I hope they continue releasing support for them

[@Moshuun]

I think YGO players are just *lazy* when it comes to Toons. I actually think they’re quite broken. For 9/10 of them, just protect yourself for a turn & all hell breaks loose. Not to mention Synchro/XYZ/Link makes the fact that they special summon even better. There should never be a pure toon deck, it’s made to make *OTHER* mechanics easy. IMO.

[@nairbgolden2008]

I love toons so much

[@MonteScarf]

They're pretty OK by Rogue Standards; of course they're not going to do great against the infinite advantage engine of Eldlich or something, but they can be a fun option regardless. Their back row is some of my favourite in the game, and is really damn powerful and *reasonably* accessible. Their monsters are still kindof the weak point, as there's only three that actually do much besides being a body on field.

[@Moshuun]

@@MonteScarf yea, I hate eldlich with a passion..

[@Tomha]

The most fun I have with Toon decks is using Comic Hand and Mimicat to steal enemy cards. Nothing adds insult to injury like the opponent stealing your best cards.

[@Mochael98]

@@Moshuun Finally , an intelectual

[@scooterwango]

One of my favorite archetypes. I really hope it gets some love eventually

[@jshtng78]

If Konami wants a to make an archetype flavor card to do absolutely nothing other than sit on the field and enable other archetype cards to even stay in play they need to make it automatically set and activate at the start of the match with zero cost and have complete protection. Even then it still potentially messes up Link plays for the user.

[@ivolopez-felix5270]

Make a continuous spell (that is toon searchable) that cant get popped once per turn, and have it allow toons to attack the turn they are summoned but cant use "their own effect" to attack your opponent directly.

[@MrChillaxin2010]

Call Doug here The Nostalgia Critic, cause he's judging some Toons (They even share the same first name)

[@Bored_Barbarian]

I still love toons. My second deck after Labirynth Wall/sword and shield was a Toon deck right as MRL dropped haha

[@vaatiwrileythewolf1746]

I play toons as my original deck, they eventually went to a secondary deck for my blue eyes deck. My toon deck is pretty good and it runs off of red stone of legend into red eyes toon dragon which could possibly lead into a toon dark magician, which in turn is another toon monster all on turn 1 without the summoning conditions of toon world. Alternatively, if I have 2 toon cyber dragons (or at least 1 dragon with the previous set up) I can summon cyber dragon first then do the previous set up to either get a second cyber dragon from my hand using red eyes, or if it's in the deck, i can use magician to get it from the deck which I can then syncro into nova dragon and then into cyber infinity. I know that's a wall of text but that usually what my deck runs off of and how it works. I have other things as well but yeah the main weakness is any anti spell cards to get rid of toon kingdom or world. But if there aren't any or you outplay it, you can survive pretty much anything and get fast and easy kills or shutdowns

[@felixdaniels37]

As someone that plays Toons, they're kinda aggressive in how anti-meta they are by design. Even if Toons get absolutely busted support, the idea of a mirror match would be enough to keep it from being prevalent. A mirror match between Toon decks is equivalent of pulling teeth because Toons lose their direct attacks if there's a Toon on the opponents field. It would just be a race to see who can set up Kingdom and a large beatstick first while the Toons pound on each other, either until someone loses LP for run out of cards to banish. They have to rely on being rogue in order to not be a nightmare to play. That being said I still love the archetype, and are only really a few key support cards away from being really good.

[@Ryalkos]

I agree toons need a handful of cards to push them. I make custom cards has a hobby and I think I do a pretty good job at making fair and balanced cards. One of my absolute favorite projects is custom toons. I have 3 main deck toons, a Lv 4 that searches for a toon spell, a Lv 6 who revives a toon once per turn and a Lv 8 who’s powerful but is in essence a different bls. I also have extra deck custom toons which included toon god cards. I actually had to dial back these cards a lot cause it made the deck way too versatile, consistent and just down right powerful. I love my toon support and wish I could play it more often. I’m still working on improving and balancing the deck. I want to add toon utopia as soon as I find good art for it.

[@alyshacoe2082]

Ill let you in on a secret, skill drain toons are actually a decent rogue option. Still not perfectly consistent ofc but the amount of searching and spells that affect toon cards, if you can remove their awful restrictions via skill drain the decks actually really solid

[@fumoffu_l]

You are aware that the result of that is just having the non toon versions of the cards, except worse because their positive effects are negated as well right? Running a deck full of the original versions and not requiring a trap card would be better. That's the problem. The cards are too week. The original versions are better because they don't have summoning sickness. And being able to search bad cards isn't helpful. Sure, you can search Toon BLS, but then what? You can't combo off of that. You can't make an extra deck play off of that. You use 6 cards to get one easy to remove monster on the field, then your opponent reacts by removing it with an effect, or simply building a stronger board and running over it.

[@alyshacoe2082]

@@fumoffu_l actually what this results in is a group of monsters who can all still be affected by all toon spells/traps, no summoning sickness AND it stops your opponent playing through SD. Its not meta or anything but for semi comp play is more then serviceable

[@RayneDeoman]

You're an inspiration to me dude. You, as well as Farfa and Rata, have shown me how fun it can be to work on Yugioh projects. I have been working on the first episode for my project for a long time and your videos keep me excited to keep trying my best. That being said, this project has taught me that the most field spell reliant deck to ever exist is Malefic. There is no way in hell you can convince me that Toons are more reliant than Malefics. They are bad yes, easily one of the worst, but Malefics are just sad man

[@diamondsanchez224]

At least Malefics can run multiple Field Spells, since a lot of them work with any Field Spell (Only Paradox and Paradigm Dragon require Malefic World). Heck, they can even work if the opponent controls a Field Spell while you don't. I feel like they offer more protection to their Field Spells than Toons do as well, via Malefic Stardust Dragon and Malefic Territory.

[@RayneDeoman]

@@diamondsanchez224 I respect that point and I thought of those too when I played the deck. It's just that without a field spell, they literally cannot exist. Most Toons can still be played even if you dont have Toon World. I get your point, although I definitely don't enjoy that the gear monsters cant search Malefic World or anything Edit: Skill Drain is the 4th copy of Malefic World lmao

[@diamondsanchez224]

@@RayneDeoman That's true, and your points have been quite fair as well. I've seen Malefics also run with Necrovalley, as to lockdown the opponent while keeping the Malefics on the field. I've also seen them run with Mystic Mine, since you usually won't have more than one or two monsters on the field at once, and Stardust Dragon can protect Mystic Mine. I think Malefics can be pretty cool when run as a control deck. Definitely not an amazing deck but I do think they're better than Toons. Lol.

[@RayneDeoman]

@@diamondsanchez224 I really appreciate the feedback, I love discussions on this game. I agree with you there. I still believe that Malefics are more field spell reliant because of the whole, they cannot exist with them schtick, but they definitely are better than Toons for sure. Although I would say that if you believe that since they require a specific field spell(Toon World and Toon World Accessories) that they are the most field spell reliant archetype, you are completely right. I'm viewing it from the necessity to exist standpoint, but the necessity to function is just as valid. Regardless, I hope they actually make Toons better though since they technically are a card specification like Geminis are. I think different Toon variants would be cool too. It wont happen though :(

[@otakotako2601]

hey malefic was my favorite on the 5D's games, permanent speed world on turbo duel broke them in that game lmao but yeah, they are sad in the real game

[@somebody850]

one thought i had to improve the Toon Archetype would be to remove/reward the "must have toon world" restriction on some of the toon spell/trap cards, or adding conditional effects if toon world is not on the field. like comic hand could only control a monster for that turn if toon world was not on the field. For example, making it so that you could use page flip, comic hand, or toon terror without a toon world would make the deck more consistent. Another idea would be to update bookmark from negating just destroy effect of toon world to include negating targeting effects so it could a better protector of the toon world.

[@unbantwin3900]

This is a good video. Would love more videos like this. "Why dark magician isn't played and what it would need to be viable " style videos

[@RebelPride1993]

I love playing my Toon deck!! I get 8-9 wins in a row before losing. people usually ain't ready for you being able to attack their life points directly as so many card effects rely on the opponets monster being involved in battle.

[@pixelsheep3443]

Really surprised me to see this video since I was just looking up about Toon decks just hours before the vid popped up. I love the archetype, but it really does feel like it's missing some of that special sauce. I'm happy that every update so far has brought it higher and higher, so maybe the next time it gets support, it might get what it's finally missing. In the meantime, I'm still gonna be trying my best to put a deck together for it.

[@cutecombo8496]

The blue background is really cool, I like it

[@bigdaddyjh2002]

I know I'm late to this video but this is an incredible explanation. I do wonder if Toons would be better if they had a dedicated monster searcher or something along side Table of Contents. I have no idea what would make them better. But, I agree with Dzeeff that Toon Kingdom should have some self protection.

[@ffjj3964]

Maybe they should do Archetype Toon Cards? Like Archetype ‘Monster Reborn’ and ‘Polymerization’. Monster with the Toon Theme, but design with synergy to other decks. While gimmicks being around field spells.

[@pistincup352]

Toon Stratos: Has the ATK, DEF, Level, and Attribute of original Stratos It’s effect is… While you control “Toon World”, you can special summon this card from your hand. If this card is summoned, activate one of these effects: 1. Add a “Toon” card from your deck to your hand 2. Destroy Spell/Trap cards on the field equal to other “Toon” cards you control. (This effect might be broken without a once per turn effect, but this is a complete reference to Stratos, that I don’t want a once per turn, but, if it must, there might just be a once per turn) While you control “Toon World”, this card can attack your opponent directly, unless your opponent also controls a “Toon” monster, this card must attack that opponent’s “Toon” monster for its attack. (I don’t want it to have summoning sickness) That’s all for today’s “Potentially real card”, see you guys soon

[@66Sora]

Lol when I seen this vid on my recommendation I started laughing so hard cause I was like no way he’s talking about “duel links” cause I’m Plat 1!!! But this I clicked and watched and was like ok ok you got it lol much love brotha

[@66Sora]

I use toons btw with Pegasus 🤙🏽

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Toon table of contents! Also known as +3 to have more consistency for the rest of the Deck!

[@ytmndman]

In the old Eternal Duelist Soul game for the GBA, I played against Pegasus and his Toon deck literally hundreds of times, and I can't recall a single instance of him actually getting off a direct attack with one of his toons. Either I stop the summon, pop the field spell, destroy the monster before it attacks, or stop the attack with mirror force or waboku or something.

[@palams7861]

A good while ago, a had an old flamboyant friend that enjoyed dressing up, and had a BRILLIANT Pegasus voice when he busted out his Toon deck. He loved that character, and made a creative fun toon deck. So SOMEONE plays toons :p

[@NovusIgnis]

What Toons need is a better field spell. Books don't need a world, or a kingdom, in order to be safe: they need a library! Toon Library - Field Spell - Activate this card by banishing 5 cards from the top of your deck face down. Card effects cannot be activated in response to this card's activation. ( Maybe even a restriction that it can't be activated if you have an extra deck? Maybe only one of these restrictions, maybe both) This card gains the following effects depending on how many Toon monsters are on your side of the field: 1+ You can banish the top card of your deck face down when a Toon card would be destroyed. 2+ All Toon cards gain protection from targeting. 3+ Once per turn, you can add one Yoon card from your deck or GY to your hand. 4+ Once per turn, you can target and destroy one card your opponent controls. 5+ All Toon Monsters you control can attack twice. For fun and extra support, you can also add a different spell card to counteract Toon monster's drawback Speed Reading - Continuous Spell - All Toon monsters you control can attack the turn they are summoned.

[@captainmurphy4949]

They should do a comic book artist or “breaker of the 4th wall” for the level 4 searcher

[@chrislabedzski9076]

It's simple why,,, most players rely on negation effects, to prevent the opponent to use much cards, if not at all,, so we have to have negation cards aswell to compete aka ash blossoms,, red eyes dragoon ect,,

[@dakotamilner6475]

Toons: needs a field spell Dzeef: complains about it Malefics: Sweats

[@madnessends2477]

Toon Jinzo, Toon Harpies’ Pet Dragon, Toon Relinquished, Toon YXZ Dragon, Toon Dark Magician of Chaos Just hire me Konami

[@crestfallenwarrior5719]

Toon Jinzo is a very cool Idea. Maybe a Toon Gaia, the fierce Knight. Toon-Relinquished is a pretty good Idea too, but...its own Archetype isnt very strong and...it needs help itself. Maybe the Toon Archetype needs a Toon Gilford, the lightning, If it gets summoned as long as Toon-World is on the Field, destroy all Monsters on the opponents side of the field.

[@madnessends2477]

@@crestfallenwarrior5719 those ideas are very cool too!

[@deadlineuniverse3189]

One of the most interesting duels with a toon deck was against a toon mine OTK of all things with me using beetroopers.

[@GITRDONE7117]

Some of the toons allow you to special summon with toon world so you could get a lot of low level monsters out fast and it would be pretty neat if there were some fusion, syncro or especially xyz toon monsters since most are lv4.

[@damianstarr1696]

Toons can be somewhat consistent on duel links if you grind Pegasus to lv50 to get toon table of contents. Having the skill to already have too world out makes a huge difference and then a 20 card deck with 3 toon cyber dragons, 3 toon DMG’s, a toon rollback and the rest protection can work quite well.

[@williamdrum9899]

I had decent fun with them in duel links, using Paradox Bros (pre-nerf 3 star demotion made Toon Barrel Dragon easy to summon)

[@HonkingTank]

As someone who has built the deck and played it a few times at Local events, the problems I faced were often consistent: 1. Price wall. Toon cards (at least in the uk) can be very expensive to pick up. 2. Most toon variants (I.e. dark magician) sadly don’t work with their non-toon archetypes such as dark magic circle or buster blader support. 3. Until page-flip was released, toons depended on tribute summoning or black sone of ancients to summon red-eyes/dark magician 4. Over dependence on toon kingdom as a card to play. Shame every deck main decks back row hate 5. Summon sickness gives toons an unfair advantage compared to better OTK battle decks 6. Very difficult to make the deck consistent due to requiring 3 of each good toon card.

[@bramvaessen1576]

Me as an avid Toon player: sees title, gets mad. Also me: watches video, agrees with most (if not all) of the points

[@MorkellTV]

This would be a fun archetype to make a custom card video with Duel Logs for.

[@emanuelperez3595]

Best collecting archtype ever❤ old school vibe, sweet art and it all come from one of the wackiest and coolest character. Pegasus

[@danielbaker4899]

I used to play this game so much when I was growing up. Had a beast zombie deck years ago

[@crh1985]

I won my first store tournament with toons mixed with the movie “pyramid of light” cards (500 life to get a dark magician or blue-eye is great fight me the trap card down side was not so bad back when there only 4 good spell and trap removal)