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[@matteopepe28]

Disagree. Being able to banish opponent to shadow realm and stealing their deck is a +40 in card advantage which is very powerful in the current meta

[@Duckineer11R.E.A.L]

😂 Underrated comment

[@Flexy59]

69 likes DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT LIKE THIS COMMENT

[@GiantCaliber]

Card Advantage doesn’t mean anything if it’s just a bunch of garbage cards your getting from the poor sucker that’s stuck in the Shadow Realm

[@nyanbrox5418]

@@GiantCaliber what if they were a rich kid like kaiba?

[@hellajeff5613]

Very true and it's a particularly good matchup against Shaddolls and Lightsworns with a 60+ card advantage.

[@GroundBack]

Because they changed it from "DEATH" to "FINAL" and everyone lost intrest

[@jare3459]

4KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!

[@waltercardcollector]

But I wonder, if you use the Japanese A and the English A, do they count as duplicates or not?

[@jare3459]

@@waltercardcollector ok now I'm wondering this now you ruin my sleep over this now

[@GroundBack]

@@waltercardcollector You can use both of them to spell out a word

[@Quesoe]

🤘

[@freman007]

Destiny Board had two periods when it wasn't competitive. Before it received support, and after it received support.

[@ZenoDLC]

How about right when it receives support?

[@Goblin_Hands]

@@ZenoDLC Those few hours when stores were receiving support...we will never know...

[@Mernom]

@@ZenoDLC The boundary between two periods doesn't exist in the real world. There's only before, and after.

[@bhumibolrushing7830]

@@Mernom ok morpheus

[@waltercardcollector]

You know what would have actually been cool? If Destiny Board didn't have its win condition, but instead Spirit Message I-A had increasingly strong effects and L had the "you win the Duel" effect.

[@melek_the_weird]

Yes!

[@claudiarey699]

+Walt Gottlieb That would have give a new meaning to "Make your enemy take the L" LOL

[@XBlaqKrowX]

@@claudiarey699 nice lol

[@TheTerminator8397]

F- Your opponent can't summon cards from the extra deck. I- Your opponent can't special summon. N- Your opponent can't activate effect monster's effects. A- Your opponent can't use spells or traps. L- You win. Each card gets more and more powerful.

[@waltercardcollector]

@@TheTerminator8397 Yeah just like that. I was thinking more along the lines of: F - Maybe no effect because you can activate it on your opponent's end phase. I - Once per turn, each Spirit Message and Destiny Board you control cannot be destroyed. N - Once per turn, you can destroy 1 card your opponent controls (or negate 1 summon or something like that). A - Something similar to N. L - You win the Duel.

[@mateuscarvalho3870]

Ok, ok, but hear me out. The "F" and the "L" arts would make great memes.

[@erikwoodruff5643]

They already do. Person : *Dies* Satan in Hell: *Destiny Board *

[@echelonii3403]

Use Magical Contract Door to force your opponent to take the L

[@SakuraAvalon]

More thematic. Use Exchange with L being the only card in your hand.

[@FrameLinks-kd1yh]

At Ceotaku last year, someone handed out the "L" card when they won against someone. We already there at meme status.

[@darkriku144]

@@FrameLinks-kd1yh I'm happy someone remembers that I did that at Taku

[@zamorak888]

I really want a lost art version of Destiny Board which spells out "death" instead of "final".

[@XalLord]

Probably won't happen because then card names would have to be changed

[@user-qd8wn8cg3x]

In ocg it is death In tcg it is final

[@beatsbyadmiralz5915]

TalonGB you don’t have to change the name, just change the art...

[@nonenone4560]

@@beatsbyadmiralz5915 Then you've got a super confusing situation of a Spirit Message N that has the same art as A. Or DETAH if they decide to keep the A as-is and make N into the T.

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

@Pharaoh Red Eyes Black Chick and Frog the Jam got renamed, and the Archfiend and Ultimate Crystal monsters got erratas to state they they belong in these archetypes. There IS a precedent for cards with censored/mistranslated names to get fixed with renames and erratas.

[@j.romero3889]

I just realized that you can get two copies of destiny board "A" so that you can spell A N A L for the amusement and approval of your friends and peers at locals.

[@MrPanda_Cake]

Imagine being in the Finals of the World Championships... Spelling A N A L AND winning the match.

[@ang47]

@Casswury i laughed so much lmao

[@ethanc1121]

@Friendly Neighbourhood Sun Wheel pfp just makes this post even better

[@Mernom]

Except you can't. You MUST place i, n, a, l in order. can't use 2 a.

[@cashnelson2306]

@@Mernom to win with it, yes. the point isn't to win with it the point is to spell anal

[@helixier6629]

I really like how you paired small lessons like card advantage, bringing up magical mallet. Very helpful for casual/new players to find this sort of information in these videos. Keep it up.

[@exeledusprince9165]

"Just shuffle them back in with card trader..." Who the f*** would ever say that? Really? I'm sure destiny board players love having a card on the field that prevents them from using their win condition.

[@50Stranded]

This is why Destiny Board is so ass lmao, playing a single card trader shuts down your whole strategy

[@internetclown1325]

@@50Stranded you also have dark sanctuary dumbass

[@SaltedNeos]

@Seto Kaiba 123 You'd rather play Mystic mine in most instances. As sad as that is.

[@darthmatt67]

@@50Stranded The only way u can get destiny board cards on the field and protect ur self from attacks is to play dark sanctuary but then if u put them all on the field the only protection u have is if u flip heads everytime on attack

[@clydetighe6563]

I am a destiny board player and I can confirm that it is great to have spirit message cards in my hand but I only have a problem if I don't have destiny board on the field because then they become a brick in my hand

[@theclocksman]

''Why Nobody Plays Destiny Board'' 2 Years later new Destiny Board cards.

[@peteryanes9339]

Lol

[@TTRPGSarvis]

There's literally no way to make these good without an errata.

[@fakename8030]

Osayas ‎

[@Relisoc4]

SprotossP I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets future support, but it’s hard to make it viable without making it busted, so I doubt they’d do anything crazy. Imagine a world where destiny board is T1, yikes.

[@cybzer0560]

@@spyro2002 At that point just give me a card that if it's summoned i win the whole tournament.

[@InvaderWeezle]

In the manga Destiny Board seemed a lot more viable. The spirit messages weren't cards, it was just Destiny Board generating a new letter each turn (could probably be replicated with counters in real life I imagine). The only condition of Destiny Board staying active was that Dark Necrofear had to stay in your Graveyard.

[@chrismiller3548]

The destiny board itself should have just gotten counters added instead. After 4 counters were added, you win the duel. The counters could represent each letter

[@hnicholson999]

I'm surprised for April Fools he didn't make a "Why nobody plays Pot of Greed" video

[@locke103]

but what does pot of greed do?! [/old complaint with the anime]

[@ryantruax4635]

It's an incredibly complicated card. One that requires big brain tactics and perfect timing to ensure maximum effectiveness. Not for the average player

[@SaltedNeos]

I remember the one locals I played this deck... I drew all 4 Spirit messages at the same time with no Destiny Board. What a great deck!

[@EthanMiyai]

Hey Doug, I really like your analysis whilst analyzing certain cards! Thank you for taking a break from the repetition and revamping the series of “Why Nobody Plays”. I’d like to throw in my feeble recommendation of a “Why SOMEBODY Played”, which may perhaps be an analysis of a certain rogue card and a summary of what made it so effective at the time. Anyway, have a good one!

[@garymcginnis8511]

Final Countdown would actualy be great for this, especially since it's become somewhat relevant again with Mine decks.

[@Kloqdq]

Imagine a world where destiny board letter cards all had effects that on activation then shuffle them back to deck if you actually played them outside of Destiny Board. It may actually be interesting then.

[@CardMasterBrian]

Hopefully Konami is taking notes :) we can get new cards that count as the letter cards that have effects!

[@Kloqdq]

@@CardMasterBrian That is what i was thinking as well. It would let the deck's core idea actually work and could be really fun to play around with.

[@CardMasterBrian]

@@Kloqdq My friend plays the Destiny Board deck using the new cards... thing is that he relies heavily on mystic mine.

[@Kloqdq]

@@CardMasterBrian Oh yeah a fun win con. that is made even more fun by the addition of Mystic Mine. I think i'd rather play against FTK then another Mystic Mine stall deck XD

[@13thKingMu]

Today:"Why Nobody Plays Destiny Board" Few weeks later:"Commenter Don't know Destiny Board"

[@thelenneh409]

well just skimming these comments is a goldmine of content

[@13thKingMu]

@@thelenneh409 hope Doug see it and review it if he think about to make it

[@LtheOriginal]

"Commenters don't know" is basically the Part 2 of these vids.

[@jenniferlynn3579]

"Why Nobody Plays" is one of my favorite topics you cover, and alternate win conditions are always neat to hear about, so I'd love seeing more from you!

[@princequincy5421]

You know an archtype is bad when they give it a spell that could potentially draw you 5 cards. (Banish Dark Spirit Mastery, shuffle all 5 pieces into the deck from the grave, draw 5.)

[@double2helix]

The Spirit messages really should get a retrains that give them continous effects which prevent your opponent from targeting or destroying your spell traps, impose limits on special summoning or negate monster effects.

[@fawfulmark2]

Why nobody plays Flying Elephant. It just writes itself.

[@cybzer0560]

poor dumbo

[@sweetpotatoffa94]

Was looking forward to why nobody plays Jerry Beans Man but this satisfied my needs Appreciate the time you put into your vids Doug 👏

[@joeytmog8267]

wdym,every meta deck runs jerry beans man at 3

[@El-Gato69]

The reason no one plays Jerry Beans Man. Is that decks are too focused on big long combos on turn one.

[@TetsuRiken]

A wnp Jerry beens man would be a great April fools meme video

[@combater5430]

I mean, 1750 atk is kinda op, so people dont play Jerry Beans in order to not get hate xd

[@double2helix]

If you don't play Jerry beans man, you are playing yugioh wrong

[@bell.with.one.e]

You should do "Why Nobody Plays ___ Anymore", continuing this series but highlighting formerly good cards that fell from power.

[@babysinclairfan]

I've been waiting for this since dzeef did the Exodia one. When I was a kid I got so excited when I got the destiny board cards. I think I got them off once and I may or may not have been cheating

[@b750d6]

babysinclairfan I won on my first attempt using it. I have won a couple times with it, but don't always use it.

[@ChaddyFantome]

"BUT I PLAY DESTINY BOARD!!!" inb4 "inb4 but I play destiny board comment" comment. Also, about Dark Sanctuary winning more games than Dedtiny Board, can confirm lol.

[@JJMomoida]

I remember getting all 5 of these via trading and getting booster packs back then. I felt invincible, but there were very few instances in which I actually could get all the cards out on the field.

[@paulieswalnut]

I can almost hear Yami Bakura laughing in the background.

[@koopakingdom]

I think it's cool when they add support like that. Destiny Board always felt like such a let down when the anime made it seem so powerful. Anyway, I agree with another comment that you could do a "Why Somebody Plays" for rogue strategies.

[@coreypatterson5827]

Destiny Board looks powerful in the anime for the same reason a lot of "antagonist of the week" cards do: almost nobody runs destruction effects in the show.

[@dewclawz]

I want "occult" to be good so bad, all I can think is retrained letters or a link Necrofear/new destiny board that gains effects that locks your opponent the more letters you get

[@joedevo3298]

Destiny Board has always been cool imo. Never considered making one because obvious reasons but still a cool concept

[@martynkalendar]

They would play it if it spelled out Deep-Eyes White Dragon and instead of winning the duel it searched Deep-Eyes when completed

[@CkWuScBlNrhMwhCkWuScBlNrhMwh]

That would only work if you could use your opponents field aswell for the messages.

[@roguesincc6420]

Hey Doug why not make a new vid for the Sacred Beast and call it "Why people Should try 'blank' ". Because sacred beast is getting some fun support cards.

[@any13th]

A few proposals for why nobody plays: -most structure decks -Raigeki/Dark Hole/Mirror Force -flip monsters (aside from shadoll/guru) -life point gain cards -multiple copies of utility links (ex: knightmarea) -equip spells (that aren’t revival/broken) -atk reduction cards (that don’t have other effects) -polymerization (in non-archetypal fusion decks) -atk boosting field spells -link 5 cards -Gamble cards -atk/defense swappers -high defense walls -exchange -yu jo friendship(lolol) -(vanilla) trap hole -Supply Squad -orichalchos -destroyed by battle floaters(ex: mystic tomato) -union monsters (oldschool ones anyways) -gemini moneters -piercing beaters -magic hats -defusion I’ll admit some of these are way too general, were probably already covered, straight up wrong/misplaced or contrary to the standards of WNP, but I just wanted to throw a bunch of ideas out there.

[@garymcginnis8511]

Gemini was meta once, but it was just Neos Alius in HERO Beat for his stats and Gemini Spark. You'd never gemini summon him, but those two cards have a lot of tops

[@jaspertyler4557]

But people do play raigeki. Why else do you think it's still limited.

[@platinumtrophyreview2049]

I remember making a destiny board deck back when I played tag force every day after school and was underwhelmed at how bad it was. Things like card trader blocked me out from my own strategy so I couldn’t use any stall spells or traps. And if I wanted to revive a monster I couldn’t use all of the haunted. Basically the only strategy was to play “not destroyed by battle monsters and see if the AI could get around it.

[@Lira_orpheus]

As always, great video. Also I have an idea, "What happened to Raigeki?" like the "What happened to Fiendish Chain?" video. I'm curious about why it fell out of favor.

[@jaspertyler4557]

Still limited.

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Don't know you but I still see Raigeki all the time. The only reason I don't play it in either of my decks is that Dinosaurs prefer Dark Hole since it doubles as the unironically best combo starter of the deck, Crystal Abundance is just too good to pass up only my Tribrigade-Crystal deck, my Six Samurai deck couldn't care less about how many monsters my opponent has, since it can very easily FTK going first or drop a monster with infinite Atk going second; my Ancient Gear and Train decks need my opponent to have SOMETHING I can beat up with Giant and Liebe, and the Flunderzee/Winged Dragon of Ra deck has Soul Crossing and Sphere Mode.

[@jaymercer4515]

Just recently got back into the game about mid to late 2018 after having left the game for 7 years because I didn't like the direction, but your videos and other channels like TGSAnime and TheDuelLogs had revived my love for the game, and I've swiftly been picking up on how the game's changed and really love a lot of the new Archetypes.

[@kinoalove5817]

Epic, you can enjoy the game and you are not a yugiboomer that says "back in my days the game was better because bla bla bla".

[@tartantulakid666]

Hey Doug, how would you feel about this revamp of Destiny Board? Instead of having the letters in your deck, move the I N A L to the extra deck and give them protection effects. I know it wouldn't be the most amazing thing but I feel like moving the bricks to the extra deck would give the deck a lot more consistency. They should probably receive some monster cards that can act as lightning rods to protect the spirit messages.

[@Omicron9999]

That would probably be the only way to make it a viable strategy. But then you'd have people saying it was too OP and demanding it be banned. Can't please anybody in TCGs.

[@cybzer0560]

The spirit messages should have what Dzeef mentioned, 1 for 1 effects like "destroy 1 card" or something then shuffle it back into the deck.

[@Flexy59]

Triple waking the dragons wants to have a word with you

[@tartantulakid666]

@@Flexy59 how would waking the dragon work if the effect text contains "can only be brought out of the extra deck by the effect of destiny board" or "banish this card once destiny board leaves the field". You could easily add some card text to make it pointless to cheat it out of the extra deck.

[@Flexy59]

@@tartantulakid666 makes sense my brain stops thinking after 5am sorry

[@Slayerthecrow]

I think that if they made new "Spirit Message" cards with like Bonus effect to not brick in your hand, then we will see some Destiny Board shenanigans, but I guess it would be too good for a win condition card.

[@ZenoDLC]

How about the effects affecting both players? Like blocking all summons for two turns, all enemy monsters lose attacks for each player's attack phase, etc. And the new Destiny Board makes it so the cards must be played if possible so you have to time Destiny Board when you're sure you can stay alive and defend backrow until L hits the field while slowly losing backrow slots

[@divinityd662]

Dzeef at the beginning: alright assholes no one can defend this crap!

[@Weasel_Face333]

This is probably the best one in the series! I really enjoyed the discussion on modern support.

[@Agriotroll]

It seems you overlooked that Dark Spirit's Mastery can also place cards from the graveyard to the bottom of the deck resulting in actual "free" draws. (I'm not saying this makes it any more viable you still have to play destiny board)

[@mango-uj1bq]

i love playing destiny board with necrofear on master duel. there is a funny combo that you can do with destiny board, sentence of doom, and battle fader. battle fader is a fiend monster that you play from your hand when your opponent direct attacks and it ends the battle phase immediately but is banished when it leaves the field. sentence of doom allows you to once per turn retrieve fiend monsters from banished or graveyard up to the number of destiny board/spirit message you have on the field. essentially what it does is let you indefinitely recycle battle fader and become untouchable. they can just destroy your traps but i think its a neat combo that allows you to stall for the destiny board win condition.

[@phantomnite]

Doesnt really help it be good

[@KevProd]

Nobody plays destiny board because we're all focused on trying to figure out what Pot of Greed does

[@combater5430]

Destroy 2 cards the head judge controls in their GY, face sideways

[@TheTerminator8397]

What does pot of greed do?

[@Blarsen780]

Apparently Pot of Greed jokes will never get old in this community. Whoops, I meant "I still don't know what it does!" Yuk yuk yuk

[@gregzo2021]

I think you can get rid of the "probably" on if Mallet +1 would be banned, lol

[@luisavila6221]

what manga is that profile pic from. It looks cool.

[@ultrachris2geometrydash]

Fun fact: With sentence of doom you can infinitely loop battle fader to your hand as long as you control another letter, since it can target both banished fiends and fiends in the graveyard.

[@Dracosis1]

Hey, i just wanted to say that I love your analysis content. Maybe you could do a series taking a look at some different deck archetypes that are currently too weak to see play and point out some flaws and maybe support that they could get which would push them into viability. Awesome content as always.

[@biblicallens9161]

Paleozoic Marrella goes great In altergeist. Example. When you activate it, you send altergeist camouflage to grave. The reason for this, because altergeist camouflage protects altergeist cards by banishing it. It helps with deck thinning, as well as the grave as a interruption. Also once the Paleozoic is in grave, it’ll revive back as a monster trap.

[@Dzeeff]

Why did you spam this comment five times?

[@williamdrum9899]

If all the spirit messages had effects: I: Spell/Traps you control cannot be destroyed by card effects. N: When this card is placed on the field: Draw 2 cards. A: When this card is placed on the field: Destroy all monsters your opponent controls. (L doesn't need one since you win at that point)

[@phantomnite]

Still not good, cause your opponent can just remove the cards from the field still.

[@mafiakickproductions]

I play it and have been before the new support cards and when they came out I ordered them in right away something about game ended decks I just love

[@lukemacinnes5124]

if the letters slowly gave you either, more protection to prevent them all getting wiped, or some more control power to the deck giving it an actual way to interact with the opponent it could probably be the "best" alt win con deck, being actually viable unlike venominaga etc. but not an, i go first i win any interaction i lose like exodia

[@SplashCity46]

Great video! Glad to see this series is back!

[@troy242621]

Another way to go would be to have the I, N, A and L spirit messages trigger an effect when sent from the field to the graveyard, thematically kind of cool for the spirits to "take revenge" on their destroyer. Would make it easier to justify a "mash-up" with a non-dedicated Destiny Board deck.

[@PelemusMcSoy]

I remember getting excited when I first learned of the Destiny Board (I think I got Message I first). But even my young mind knew it would probably be too hard to pull off once I read Destiny Board. Oh well.

[@hightidekraken]

Last time I was this early Old-school Yu-Gi-Oh! was still Old-school

[@matty9460]

I love when it spells out Feath and I win, keeps my opponents guessing

[@pukalo]

I lost to Final Countdown around 8 years ago because the person playing it had an unbreakable stall deck.

[@duskmeteor8671]

I would rather look into the solutions for making Destiny Board better. some good things to note: -Dark Sanctuary gives protection for the letters used as monsters, opening space for more diverse game play as Battle Damage protection -Dark Spirit Mastery - incredble search effect, great effect from the Graveyard can be used also for free draws if those cards are in your GY, Discard effect could also be used as a benefit when the Fiend Monster line up would consist of a mix of Archfiend/Darkworld and the Dark Spirit/Necrofear monsters add Call of the Archfiends to it and it could combo really nicely and if you got also that Eradicator Virus that's a 3 turn spell or trap protection you can create for your Destiny Board. -Sentence of doom when in multiples can Turbo Destiny Board even faster making it a 2/3 turn win scenario even if one of those letters is in your GY, also getting to use some of your monsters again can be very useful too if you picked the right cards to go with your deck. -The Duel is put on a Timer thanks to Destiny board which can put pressure on some opponents depending on their decks -Depending on the deckbuild it can give you various win conditions: Destiny Board, Dark Sanctuary as just a Beatdown from your monsters. The cons/Weaknesses -while it does give some protection 2 very important cards are still wide open: Dark Sanctuary and Destiny board itself -all other letters Brick in opening hand which is really big negative -it is very relient on the Deck and Extra Deck how well it does perform What does it need in my opinion: -A Extra Deck Monster who has build in Protection for both the Field Spell card as the Destiny Board Cards(there are probably extra deck monsters who could already function this position but a Necrofear XYZ/Synchro or Even Fusion would be great) -A Main Deck Monster Card that can Summon itself by using Spirit message cards in your Hand/Field/GY with the effect to loop them back into the Deck -An Extra Deck Monster that could be summoned by the Fang of Critias which part of it's effect is the same as Destiny Board itself as getting protection from Dark Sanctuary -A card that lets you draw up to the number of Spirit message cards you have in your hand. -A Fiend type Monster that has Battle-destruction Protections as forcing your opponent to attack it with all monsters as receiving 0 damage while through Dark Sacntuary burning your opponent lifepoints basically turning their own board against them.

[@crowhaveninc.2103]

Nonsense! The Destiny Board winning animation in "Stairway to the Destined" was the best way of winning by far!

[@joeytmog8267]

why nobody plays timelords if you haven't already

[@w2cfx]

Timelord Trains was a thing for a little while

[@Hornetog9vp]

Joey who need time lords when you got time waizard lol.

[@joeytmog8267]

@@Hornetog9vp time wizard is obviously a staple 3 of in timelords,its op because your monsters are never destroyed! jokes aside,timelords have some cool shit they can do with their anti destruction effects,like dark hole n stuff and since you usually keep 1 on the field mystic mine works okay with them still rely completely on burn and are pretty hard to actually do stuff with when any non destruction removal hard counters the entire deck

[@jxjunk]

I play timelords

[@xXFrItZgErAlDXx]

I'm pretty sure I have seen at least Metaion and another time Lord top a tournament or two... I'm pretty sure Metaion was a side deck option for a while

[@A88mph]

I do remember the only time I won a duel at a local back in the GX era. I played DB at my opponent's first End Phase, and he was unable to stop it from there. He even told me that the only reason it worked, was because he could not draw his MST in time.

[@Thomas-dm6tt]

If dark sanctuary would special summon destiny board or spirit message cards which are already in your spell/trap card zone as monsters it would be so much better. The uneffected by card effects really doesn't matter otherwise if you can just hit destiny board

[@Lightn0x]

Just errata the spirit messages to be place-able from hand. It won't make the card competitively viable but at the very least it's something. It would create an interesting dynamic where your opponent would have to MST it asap in case you have the remaining messages in hand instead of knowing for sure they are safe for 4 turns.

[@l0st5oul45]

"why nobody plays venominaga" fits both the big boss monster which is weird to summon and the alternate win condition category

[@13thKingMu]

If Konami make more good reptile monsters and support then venominaga will be good

[@jaspertyler4557]

The venom archetype sucks. Video over.

[@xgongivittoya1931]

@@jaspertyler4557 It needs way better support, yeah

[@jaspertyler4557]

@@xgongivittoya1931 Honestly, if they gave Venominaga it's anime effect, where you win the duel 3 turns after it inflicts battle damage to your opponent, it would still be useless just because of how hard to summon it is.

[@biordikoci3161]

Yo dzeef new darklord support has come out can you talk about the new cards and how much stronger will the deck become Pleasee answer my question

[@emred4653]

just a simple destruction protection or a high def/atk fiend monster that cannot be destroyed by card effects while destiny board was on the field would help this deck extremely

[@mix-n-match834]

I know that it's old vide but my mild OCD is tingling because you forget about main point of Dark Spirit Mastery, dzeff. It can also put Spirit Message cards from graveyard into deck for its effect, which not only helps you recover your precious win condition but mainly can make +whatever for free. Hec, this card makes sending Spirit Messages into graveyard to turn it into Pot of Greed on steroids much more valuable and powerful than the actual instant win bs. I'm curious if there's some hidden draw engine to make out of it, lol.

[@phantomnite]

That's not really OCD mate. Someone not mentioning a card that didn't do much to help spirit board become meta. The video is only talking about the meta here

[@MyNameWasCensored]

I think a cool concept for destiny board support would be that they could be used for a archetypal xyz monster summon that can either use the destiny board cards for a win condition or, as negation tools.

[@ZyxWhitewind]

Had a Destiny board deck back when it launched. It won on occasion, but took a lot of luck. Used cards like messenger of peace, waboku and Imperial Decree to help stall, but can also remove themselves if I needed board space.

[@Raining_Heavily]

Great video Dzeeff !! :) This video is very informative 😄

[@sammydelorenzi]

It was just a cool anime archetype that they printed and nerfed the shit out of from Yami and Bakura’s battle. Sounds like they are showing it some love after all these years.

[@faisfaizal5194]

Other people's alternate win condition: final countdown Me, an intelectual: 3 wave motion cannon

[@mokeymokey1035]

I wish each letter protected the previous one, that way your opponent couldn’t just easily sweep your letters.

[@ryanrobot7975]

It would be cool if there was a destiny board retrain that brought out a series of lettered monsters from the extra deck in order, each one getting harder to get rid of till the last one has like 8,000 atk or something

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Two quick notes. Dark Spirit Mastery also retrieves from GY, wich is absolutely CRUCIAL as it gives you a comeback chance if your opponent blows up Destiny Board and the Spirit Messages. Magical Mallet actually DID shuffle itself back to the deck in the Anime, and if it worked like this in the TCG or let you draw an extra card it ABSOLUTELY would see a lot of play and would get Limited at the very least. Just look at Moray of Greed, wich does work like that and is a staple 3-of in every WATER deck in existance.

[@phantomnite]

Morey of greed doesn't work like that though

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

@@phantomnite it effectively does the same, it resets 2 monsters from the hand and draws 3 cards, thus going hand neutral. It does not recycle itself reusable, but if you draw more than 1 you can fire them off one after another.

[@phantomnite]

@@joanaguayoplanell4912 yeah but it still doesn't recycle itself

[@TheMightyGiantDad]

Thank you for inspiring me to build a destiny board deck.

[@cullenlatham2366]

hmm.. trying to consider a more fair retrain of the strategy... How about: (f) unchanged (i) add "when this card is summoned by (f), lower the attack of all opponents monsters by 500 times the number of (letters) on your field as long as this card remains on the field." (n) add "when this card is summoned by (f), all effects that target a destiny board or spirit message you control are redirected to this card while it remains on the field. when this card is sent from the field to the graveyard by card effect, play 1 (f) and (i) from your graveyard [they are treated as summoned by (f)]" (a) add "when this card is summoned by (f), disable one zone of your choice while this card remains on the field" (l) add "you can discard this card from your hand to add one (letter) to your hand" notes on my shorthand: i use the letters to indicate the cards, not their full names. if the proposed effect says (letter), it means any piece of FINAL.

[@icemythic6076]

I still remember Yugioh4RealMens Herald of Destiny deck. Summon Herald of Perfection to block your opponent until you can activate Destiny Board. As "I" "N" and "A" were activated and his opponent struggled to out the Herald he tributed the 3 letters for Hamon Lord of Striking Thunder and attacked for game. That guy was lightyears beyond the meta.

[@xdarkangerx7601]

To be honest, it would actually be worse if destroying one card didn't destroy all of them in most cases. Think about it, if you've got F I N and A up and your opponent blows up the F, what happens to your board? Your stuck with three spells that literally do nothing clogging up your S/T zones, and even if you do somehow recover with another Destiny Board, it HAS to activate the cards in order, leaving you with F I N A I, no zones, and no win. The new support can help with this situation, but most of the time you're better off just starting from scratch as to not shoot yourself in the foot.

[@munchrai6396]

The Necrofears are actually really great in Infernoids and some of the bigger ones can be used in recycling your Infernoids when you run out of steam from Monster Gates

[@eniferxamm]

This is a great idea, I like the change to more interesting discussion :)

[@beatsbyadmiralz5915]

Imagine having 4 of the 5 cards out and your opponent Lightning storms you in the face

[@Clonekiller66]

the most fun thing about Destiny Board is arranging the letters to spell silly words. it was funny to me when I was 7 and it's still funny to play Scrabble during a game of Yu-Gi-Oh

[@drak5860]

The best use of Destiny board is to tribute the spirit messages for Hamon

[@autobotstarscream765]

And then drop Phantasmal Martyrs to Link spam ftw! :3

[@___i3ambi126]

Could you go through single cards that made their architypes go from a casual strategy to a tier 1 or 2 strat? We could then use that information to see what kind of cards would need to be printed to make other fan favorite strategies viable.

[@lumiverinightstar228]

Very late comment here but wanted to speak my thoughts on it. I love Bakura's deck theme with occult and paranormal cards. I'm not a tournament league duelist I'm at best adept. I can build good rogue decks but I've just never tried building anything otk speed, I just don't like duels to end that fast. Destiny board was one of the most troublesome set of cards to try and make work, second only to trying to summon exodia necross (I love exodia necross to death, but it's summon condition is murder) the only somewhat feasible method I had found for it was to run a deck of all monsters and anything else being copies of destiny board cards and deck shuffling, recycling or draw power and all the monsters being time Lord's, of which the majority of the entire deck was timelords. Years ago timelords were ridiculously difficult to contend with monster to monster so they were the only thing I could think of that could stay consenstent and keep coming out to protect the field while destiny board did it's thing. This was before I had access to timelords support, at this time only the monsters existed. All the test results was the deck just turned out to be an infinite deck by way of the timelords that just stalled for 30-50+ turns at a time because often AI would blow up pieces of destiny board and I'd have to start again or just finish them with timelords. Considering I hear nothing about timelords in the current meta, I'm gonna presume even with whatever support they may have gotten, even they cannot help destiny board sadly.

[@JDragon272]

I remember these cards from that series, once insane back then it was like Exodia, I was on the hunt for the whole word of FINAL, I only gotten 2 or 3 of them though back in the old days.

[@MeepersWaffle]

You should do a series taking bad/mediocre archetypes & discuss what kind of support or cards they would need to become rogue/competitive

[@zachrowe1511]

If the destiny board strategy played like a control deck. I think that would be a lot more fun

[@treyg2010]

Yay so glad that this series is back

[@Rioluman10]

13:58 It's better than a magical mallet. It's like a combination of magical mallet and pot of avarice.

[@lucasworley4707]

This was overdue. Good video.

[@ur_b1gg3st_h8r]

What about looking into the Venom archetype and their alternate win condition? I love that deck and think it would be interesting as it's a big monster AND an alternate win condition.

[@xiphos8219]

Because it takes up all your spell slots, makes your deck constantly reshuffle giving you even less of a draw chance, and because all you have to do is wait for D-E-A-T or F-I-N-A and hit Destiny board with Mystical Space Typhoon and the entire board is cleared.

[@thesvet6969]

I don't want to say that that is a viable strategy, but in duel links destiny board is a totaly different Thing (not even a card) In yu Gi Oh duel links destiny board is a bakura exclusive skill. It has the effect of: if "Dark Necrofear" is in the graveyard, and your life points are at 2000 or below after 5 of your end phases after this skill activates, you win the duel. This effect is negated if "Dark Necrofear" leaves the graveyard [note that it doesn't have to be that same Necrofear you send in the grave].Since in duel links this is a skill, and skills can't be responded to as long you have atleast 1 Necrofear in the grave it's still active, which is very different than the TCG version. By no means it's viable since you still rely on drawing the Necrofear , discarding it and being under 2k LP which is kinda hard to pull out since it's hard to survive at that point. *You expected a comment about TCG casuals complaining, but it was about me, Duel Links!*

[@BlackRose-rp7kv]

Its like a more fun exodia in concept with getting little messages from a ouija board but its so hard to pull off. Truly the main problem is not with the I N A or L spell cards doing nothing. Its the trap itself. Destiny board and that final piece of text. When a spirit message or this card leaves the field, destroy all other spirit messages you control. Thats the main problem with this deck. Dark Sanctuary is great that it turns the messages into monsters when summoned and they become immune to card effects and being attacked. If it also protected Destiny Board, that would have been what we really needed.

[@SelfReassuringTitle]

"Why your casual cards are not competitively played"

[@amcub]

What if Destiny Board (and the spirit message cards) had either some or complete protection from destruction? In an old school sense, it might have been overpowered, but I don't think it would be overpowered in a modern sense. It still takes at least 8 turns to resolve (which is insanely long in the modern game), and reduces access to spell and trap zones as you go. In an old school competitive sense, I think it would be interesting if each spirit message protected the one placed before it, rather than one being destroyed means they're all gone. I'm nowhere near an expert, but I feel like this would definitely help Destiny board be at least viable at some point in its existence

[@givecamichips]

I think that "F" should have a once per turn effect that prevents one of your Spell/Trap card from being targeted, "I" should prevent all your opponent's Spell/Trap card from affecting your Spell/Trap cards, "N" should negate monster effects that target your Spell/Trap cards, and"A" should prevent your opponent from Special Summoning. As you build more of the board, you're slowly crushing your opponent's ability to stop you.

[@OurDarkGoldenHero]

Can't really use card trader or other spells because they need your S/T zones. So, back then, it'd be a heavy monster deck with 1 trap and 4 spells if you think about it on the surface.

[@13KuriMaster]

I would not mind seeing more of this targeted towards alternate win conditions. First one I think of that you may have fun with is "Jackpot 7", as it allows you to point out how it can be hard to force your opponent into preforming certain actions.

[@Rooksftw]

I just love how as you're talking about this unplayable deck the card art is just a giant F.