E-Bikes: The phenomenon, The Problem.

[@alanchase7329]

Massive stretch to say the person on the ebike did stop. They fell off and quickly jumped back on and fled the scene.

[@terrydray]

That's exactly what I saw too.

[@MrMandown46]

Not his best video tbh, they clearly didn't 'stop' they were back on the motorbike as soon as they could pick themselves off and fled.

[@sjsf200]

I didn't see anyone on an e-bike, there was an illegal electrically powered motor bike though

[@harrison00xXx]

@@sjsf200 The driver was for sure illegal and should be banned from the road for lifetime on ANY vehicle, probably even on walkways to walk/run... But the electric bike... hell no, that was fine and did nothing wrong! Dont blame it on the vehicle just because a few wannabe racers are using those.

[@mailmallett]

BBB is a bit blind we need to help him cross the road safely.

[@rogersimmons8788]

E bikes are not the problem. The problem is the yobbish behaviour of certain members of society and the fact there is no deterrent to this kind of behaviour.

[@nickbreen287]

You mean cyclists?

[@Pro2eus]

I really agree with this,, people always seem to argue about the tools but never the actual problem.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

@@nickbreen287 YAAAAAWN, it's a good job motorists only kill and maim around 24,000 people ever year and have licence plates VED licences Insurance MOT otherwise we could point the finger at that group eh ...

[@gingernutpreacher]

​@@nickbreen287was just about to say that

[@harryrowland4734]

@@nickbreen287 that's offensive to the cyclists who are not yobs and you've offended me

[@simonp75381]

That looked like a Surron electric motor bike - no peddles, not an ebike at all, the law is very clear already and just needs to be enforced! - I don't know how!

[@davidy7004]

Enforced how though? As someone pointed out there has been a backlash recently in the UK after 2 incidents when police vehicles tried to follow teenagers on some form of electric bikes, but the teenagers crashed and lost their lives. Given that, it will be hard for police to do the same the next time they suspect someone is illegally riding an unlicensed electric moped.

[@highheels200]

Exactly this, ebikes seem to get bundled in with electric motorbikes. This thing looks like it should be cleared as a moped and taxed, insured etc

[@arcadeuk]

@@davidy7004 The "backlash" was from a bunch of chavs who think they should be able to do anything they want. We should not have the police stand down and not enforce laws because a bunch of criminals dont like the laws being enforced

[@MeasuredE]

These types of bikes with no pedals, are illegal on the road without number plate and insurance. Unfortunately there is such a grey area with e bikes at the moment.

[@TenFalconsMusic]

From how they sped away without pedalling, they obviously had a throttle. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is illegal here in the UK unless it's registered as a motor vehicle. Probably why they were cloaked head to toe. Dodgy d***ards they are. And the police don't seem to give them a second look.

[@kerbain]

That's clearly not an E-bike, it's an electric motorbike.

[@jl-xs6ud]

Absolutely, I ride a legal ebike every day to commute or go mountain biking. It's just a normal push bike with help to get uphill. These electric motorbikes are used for drug running and I'm really sick of the media putting me under the same umbrella. They are two different things completely

[@user-mg8pj8vl2g]

Exactly what I just muttered to myself.

[@kjj8770]

​@jl-xs6ud I use my surron for mountains also and I'm not a drug dealer, I have a family and a high paying job, why should I loose my license for cruising around forestry roads

[@user-mg8pj8vl2g]

@@kjj8770 Agreed you cant put everyone in the same basket. Im glad you enjoy yours. Keep it shiny side up 😀

[@HoratioChinn]

@@kjj8770 If it's on private land and you have permission to ride it there then you can ride it legally. If you willfully ride it on the public road knowing that it is illegal to do so then you should take responsibility and face the full weight of the law just like anyone else has to when they do something illegal.

[@david22591]

I'm a cyclist and I also have an e-bike (GTech). These kind of people really infuriate me as they get everyone on bikes a bad name. I also have insurance for my e-bike in case of an accident. It has two settings 12mph and 15mph. We have e-scooters in our city for general use. There are areas they are not allowed (parks, 40mph zones, footpaths) and if someone does they are banned. These e-scooters are seriously heavy and would do some serious damage if it hit someone.

[@TheRip72]

They cause drivers to be prejudiced against all cyclists. I occasionally use an e-scooter & am appalled at how infrequently these are parked properly. It is not any more difficult at all to park one at the side of the path, yet so many insist on parking them as much in the way as possible.

[@martinbulmer1868]

Any e bike that can accelerate away like that and attain those speeds without being pedalled is not compliant with the regs anyway. Police seeing this should spend a day in the area seizing and destroying such vehicles without any hesitation.

[@darrenhenderson6921]

Right you do know you have personal property insurance and not accidental accident insurance don’t you? You have to have a road legal vehicle to have motor insurance

[@malcolmemsley5909]

Oh yes they love to scapegoat these days . Remember Charlie Alliston, and how the media ranted on about cyclist after that. Death caused by cyclist is extremely low, yet death caused by motorist is accepted. Another dick head with no brakes on the bike, would love to see him try to join a cycling club, he would get his arse kicked straight through the door.

[@QiuEnnan]

Don't worry, you're a cyclist, but these people are motorcyclists!

[@davidlane166]

That wasn't an e-bike that was an illegal electric motorbike - as classed by law. you can tell this because after the accident the rider rode away without turning the pedals and to be classed as an e-bike it needs to be pedal assisted ( among other criteria ). call it what it is - an illegal motorbike

[@Man_v_Cars]

Legal to ride and own on private land, you can also get road legal versions too.

[@dynamike72]

Well said

[@nighttrain1236]

Indeed. Bashing ‘electrically assisted pedal cycles’ (EAPCs) is just a red herring here. It's an illegal motorbike that just happens to be electric.

[@stephenb1367]

​@@Man_v_CarsAlready got 2 and looking to get a surron ultra bee for the road as well. They're fun but a hot magnet for theifs

[@killcar5nbike2]

The whole point is that the issue with ebikes is with the non legal ebikes. Whether it be pedal assist, power output or max speed. If you're going to say it's not an ebike because it doesn't meet x,y or z terminology. Then by definition there is no problem with illegal ebikes, as there can be no illegal ebikes.

[@georgebarnes8163]

That was not an Ebike, it was an electric motorcycle therefore must be registered, insured and the rider must have a motorcycle licence and wear a type approved helmet.

[@knoxieman]

Yup he needs to delete this video or do a follow up video, he's just made himself look stupid

[@skandral1339]

it looks like a stealth b-52 bomber ebike, which looks like a e motorcycle. but has pedals so it is not.

[@bramelsheretan]

that is an e-ike, cost around £3k and the top of the range is around £4.5k

[@jonathanbonner1672]

Unless its different in the UK, Surron bikes are not motorcycles.

[@jimioutback]

This certainly is Not a legal e-bike as it clearly takes off, even power-wheelying, without any pedal input whatsoever: a legal ebike must only be power-assisted, in other words you must pedal to propel it, the battery/motor then provides assistance at varying levels. This thing took off soley on battery power...just the kind of operation I would like for quiet country rides, though riding it a lot more responsibly of course. I was quite disappointed trialing an e-bike from Halfords recently because the motor assistance to the significantly heavier machine (than a manually power bicycle) just about brought it up level, but at twice the cost, and lots more hassle.

[@iantheinventor8151]

The bike in the clip appeared to be an electric motorcycle not a pedal assist bike 🤔

[@lendaryreviews]

Legendary! Almost as good as adding a sticker to the bike ;) to make it legal 😂 but I do see if you can program it to break speed limits then you can do the opposite and make it legal ! 😊

[@MC-emmcee]

The trouble with laws such as this is the reluctance to police them. If the authorities are unable to, or not willing to, police these laws then there is not point to the law in the first place. Such laws then only subject to goodwill compliance.

[@inregionecaecorum]

All the scumbags that ride these wear masks, that tells you everything you need to know about them.

[@ruan13o]

Agreed, the law is not the main issue, it's the police who are reluctant to enforce them. An e-bike that follows the lawful restrictions isn't really any more dangerous than a normal pedal bike. But because the police don't care or don't have the will to enforce the law, more and more people are putting on non-restricted motors onto their bikes to go way faster than allowed. You're right that food delivery drivers are the most obvious and numerous offenders (but the delivery companies I'm sure would say they do not encourage that behaviour) and the other group are youths looking for a good time and criminals who want a way to get away quickly and anonymously. All of these bikes are super easy to identify and confiscate if the police wanted to or had the resources to though.

[@harrison00xXx]

@@ruan13o The law IS the main issue. Its ridicilous... either allow them on walkways in super slow speeds or allow them to be faster with more torque and acceleration. But forcing 20-25 km/h vehicles on the road where agressive idiots in cars feel annoyed by those slow, small vehicles, THATS DANGEROUS AS FK. And thats why i drive an illegal scooter, it just goes 45 km/h with 2000W peak but i can tell you already, my next scooter will go like 60-80 km/h and climb steep hills even faster than the actual scooter which is just too weak and slow in some circumstances.

[@BadDriversOz]

The UK police WON'T do anything UNLESS this rider makes an 'illegal/offensive' Tweet! THEN he will be arrested!

[@soton000]

Buddy this is not an e bike !!! this is SUR Ron electric motorcycle with 5 kw of power torque figure of 40 newtonometers and top sped around 55 mph

[@mikeharvey9844]

Yes, not an e bike. It is an unregistered electric motorcycle. Do not get them confused.

[@mapledelight]

Well said. You'd think a barrister could tell the difference.

[@soton000]

@@mapledelight He is ok in general but looks like on this subject here he`s got not much clue .

[@megapangolin1093]

@@mapledelight Can you imagine an 80 year old judge having a clue about all of this when he sees a legal case? Not on your nelly..

[@steve00alt70]

Even my 125cc only has 15 nm but can go faster

[@thathurt]

You need to distinguish between e pedal type bikes and e motorbikes and scooters. There's a big difference. 🙄

[@mapledelight]

Yep. You'd think the barrister could tell the difference between an ebike and emotorbike :(

[@nighttrain1236]

@@mapledelight Apparently not.

[@micwatson2776]

@@mapledelight exactly what i said , i certainly wouldnt want him representing me in a court if he spouts rubbish without fact checking

[@GunnyUKsarge]

Most Police forces have been told to do nothing if they see these Ebikes. This is after the backlash they got from the two teenagers losing their lives. The entire situation is crazy!

[@mapledelight]

It was an emotorbike not an ebike.

[@mapledelight]

Those boys were also on an emotorbike.

[@mrbluesky9891]

"After the backlash"? They didnt stop them before either!

[@mynameisnobody5295]

E-Bikes should be classified as Mopeds depending on their power. Though what we really need in the UK is better bike lanes kike those in the Netherlands. Amsterdam probably has the best infrastructure for bikes than anywhere in the world. It the video you have see a speed ramp that could possibly had caused the collision. You are supposed to slow down for speed ramps as they are designed to slow traffic. It would have been a lot worse if someone in a car did that. Ive been hit by a car and it hurts. Even if people are legal they still can drive recklessly as I see it all the time. Bit when you put up speed cameras people think is just to make money when its designed to protect people from harm which is the number one role of governance.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@@mynameisnobody5295 They are classified that way already, but I think the onus is on the purchaser to comply with the law, not the vendor.

[@imperialinquisitor510]

"Some people don't comply with the law" *Socked Pikachu face*

[@neilhales4693]

I see that the "lollipop" has a round end for warning people to stop - and a pointy end for sticking through spokes. Just a thought ...

[@daveetches3251]

These bikes are electric motorbikes, or Mopeds as we used to call them. As such they should be treated the same way as we treat electric cars. ie Insured plated with a license.

[@stewartsherwood7769]

This is exactly what I've been thinking. Just calling them E-bikes basically masks the fact that it's just short for Electric Motorbike.

[@CLIVETHE125]

I,d be up for that,had a full motorcycle licence since 1979 , be nice to zip around on one of those instead of a mobility scooter !

[@EvilGav]

Came here to say this. They have no pedals, it's only form of locomotion is an electric motor.

[@stephengraham1153]

I believe that is already the case for e-bikes over 250 watts which have to be insured and licenced. There are too many people who are prepared to abuse the system for e-bikes under 250 watts to be used safely so really _all_ e-bikes should be treated the same. The problem then becomes what do you do about hoverboards and e-scooters? Do they use the road or the footpath? How do you attach a licence plate to a hoverboard?

[@zivkovicable]

What the idiot was riding is actually treated as a moped according to the law in the UK...Definitely overpowered for a legal e'bike, and was using a throttle, which alone puts in the category of moped. To ride it legally he would need a helmet and numberplate. Legal e-bikes are pedal assist only & cut off at 19 mph. about the same as an average cyclists can achieve.

[@Immortal-Headcase]

That was an electric motorbike, they don't have peddles and can go 40 to 50+mph and above. I live in Blackpool and during the good weather you'd see one dressed all in black zipping up and down the prom at crazy speed. These types of motorbikes are now the preferred bike of the discerning chav Ninja, a new cultural phenomenon.

[@nighttrain1236]

I don't know how these scrotes afford them and these XL Bully dogs too. I wish someone would go Charles Bronson on them :D

[@BlueShadow777]

“pedals”

[@Immortal-Headcase]

@@BlueShadow777 I never caught that, ah well, 👍

[@beaver2543]

Yes ! We have 'The Blurred Hand of Havant' here. Failed ninja, overdevelloped right forearm etc. Police absent. 😢

[@marekohampton8477]

We have one moron where I live, bombs along the crowded pavement at full pelt, with 2 large dogs running alongside him. He parks up and leaves his bike in shop entrances, causing major inconvenience to shoppers. When confronted, he gets aggressive and starts screaming "RACIST" He does it deliberately, to antagonise people and cause confrontation.

[@boosteddiesel1834]

There’s something important that needs to be pointed out here. There are e-bikes or e-bicycles as we know them but there are also electric motorcycles/dirt bikes. What I saw in the video appears to be an electric dirt bike. The difference being that the dirt bikes are designed for off road use and hence are much more powerful than an electric bicycle, these will do 30-50 mph quite easily. What the yobs do is remove the dirt bike plastic panels leaving the black metal frame exposed, making it look more like a bicycle. They are quite easy to identify as up close they look a bit strange with the exposed cables etc, they don’t have the clean sleek look of an e-bike, they also typically have thicker chunkier off road tyres and motorcycle like front and rear disc brakes. I’m quite sure that was a dirt bike which probably has different rules or laws that apply for use on a public road.

[@kevinrkinsella]

I use an e-bike (Brompton/Swytch) and was already well aware of the legalities of ownership. Two thoughts: firstly hereabouts in (London W5) we have a huge flock of high powered e-bikes rushing around. A goodly proportion of these are operated by staff contracted to and liveried to various highly advertised food, drink and essential supplies companies. It’s noticeable that the largest bikes mostly have ‘number plate’ brackets on the rear which show evidence of having once been used with identification plates fixed on the brackets. This type of bike has been observed travelling well in excess of our local speed limit, 20 MPH and leaving us boringly law abiding riders amazed at what behaviours they can get away with. My second thought (perhaps it should be just an occurrence report?) is this: sitting in a cafe in rural Buckinghamshire a well padded gentleman in full riding out regalia arrives and parks an e-bike fitted with a conspicuously large motor and battery. During conversation over refreshment this gentleman tells me that the motor is a 750 watt item providing him with large numbers of Newtons torque. 750 watts is one horse power. I make reference to the definition of a pedelec (250 watt motor) and get rank pulled on me. I am told that his machine is fully compliant, I have it all wrong and that he should know because he is a sitting judge. The conversation petered out at this point. At leisure I had a look at the web to get a feel for what law abiding citizens are being given as gospel by manufacturers and traders. Pedelec, Pedelec S and e-Bike Manufacturer’s websites seem to have it that provided the purchased software limits Pedelec top speed to 15.5mph then Horsepower (wattage) and Torque aren’t relevant. Actually the excess torque over “standard” (whatever that is) gets mention in marketing material as being a good thing. Incidentally Pedelec-S maximum powered speed is 45 Kph ~ 28 Mph and the UK has these as motorcycles in licence category AM So, if the gentleman I spoke with only had information from the sources I found it’s no surprise that there is an issue, but the licensing situation is muddled by the Construction and Use regulations, which is another story!!

[@EvilGav]

A couple of weeks ago I went to buy a new jacket to use in the summer on my motorbike. On leaving the shop, I headed down the A34 out of Reading at around 40mph, and was caught up to by a chap on a similar bike as the one in the video. He was comfortably keeping pace with me. I'm dressed in armoured clothing (because falling off hurts), wearing a helmet, I'm licensed, I'm insured, and I have a plate to determine who I am. The chap doing the same speed I was has none of those things. The recent cases of people dying on these bikes should have been a wake up call as to how dangerous they can be, instead it's everyones fault but the parents or the kids on the bike.

[@hippophile]

We need a government that, you know, governs...

[@JohnnyMotel99]

@@hippophile it's basically an out of control situation, in London today, walking down Green Lanes, two e-scooters zipped past me on the pavement. I didn't hear them coming and a collision was seconds away from happening.

[@petwyn66]

​@@JohnnyMotel99I sympathise, almost knocked down by an e-scooter myself a couple of days ago ☹️

[@margaretcunningham9092]

In Lanzarote, they banned electric scooters because they were going too fast & were driven recklessly Kids should be walking as many are fat enough as it is!.

[@JohnnyMotel99]

@@petwyn66 I cannot justify e-scooters on pavements unless there are lanes for bikes etc. They move to fast, they are silent and that makes them dangerous to the elderly and anyone else really!

[@ssjmonstar]

Would this be an issue if the bike wasn't electric powered and the user still crashed into them pedestrians ? Is the problem the ebike itself or the users?

[@arronshaw5358]

Absolutely correct

[@user-Wojciech]

The main difference would be a number plate, but yobbos like this even strip plates of bikes.

[@rogerhargreaves2272]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. Also, it’s not the bicycle, it’s the irresponsible rider.

[@EvilGav]

You do get similar problems with pit bikes, but they have the problem for the rider of needing fuel (which they cant just turn up and buy, due to age restrictions and the slight problem of all the cameras catching the face of the unlicenced rider) and the "helpful" element for pedestrians of actually making a noise and not accelerating particularly quickly. The bike in the video I have seen versions of doing 40mph and getting to that in 4 or 5 seconds. Compared to a moped or pit bike, they are lethal.

[@atwaass]

the users fault hence the balaclava and lack of respect on the roads

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

Thats a surron, no pedals, twist throttle, 6kw power, can be modified to 15kw They might as well be a petrol scooter

[@mapledelight]

It's an emotorbike.

[@jasonkillbourn]

There currently seems to be a whole number of problems with e bikes, mostly stemming from the ebay and ali express DIY kits. I had been interested in building one myself, as a cheap alternative to taking a car or motorcycle into town, but noticed that a huge number of kits being sold are way in excess of the legal power output, with 48v, 1000w and 1500w motors being the most numerous. You can spot loads of these on the road in London (there's certainly been an exponential rise in the past year), at least the ones with a dinner plate sized hub motor, usually in the rear wheel, as they seem to be the preferred choice for fast food delivery riders. The problem is, these kits will turn a regular pushbike into something quicker than a 50cc moped, but it still looks like a pushbike to most pedestrians and motorists, who are easily caught out by its unexpected turn of speed. Furthermore, for a long time now there has been a growing problem of cyclists ignoring traffic lights and using the pavement, but now you've got people pulling those kinds of stunts at two to three times the speed, and of course, with no number plate, the recent 20mph zones are completely ignored, so it's inevitable that incidents, like the one in your video, are going to proliferate, and sooner or later there will be a tragedy , at which point there will no doubt be a crackdown and maybe a change in the law, so I've decided to put any ideas of getting an e bike on hold, at least till the present wild west nonsense blows over.

[@joules531]

You are absolutely correct. And there are two solutions here. Firstly, in a similar way that eBay doesn't sell knives, eBay shouldn't be selling these huge dinner plate rear e-bike wheels. And secondly, the police need to wise up on these wheels, which, as you rightly point out, are very easy to spot.

[@peterwillson1355]

@@joules531 the police couldn't be bothered.

[@harrison00xXx]

Well, expectations about car people are also useless. As well the expectations about people on scooter can be, he definitely didnt think this can happen today. Today a car driver lost a side mirror after brake checking me, stopping me and harrassing me as well attempting to ram me. Why you may ask he did all that? I was driving with my scooter 30 km/h in a 30 zone, he felt annoyed that he also have to drive 30 (in a 30 zone, same rules for him...). I was even purposefully driving faster than i would do because cars were behind me, but damn, after acting as if he wanna ram me.... i lost my temper, kicked his door and ripped off his side mirror before leaving with a middle finger and a big smile in my face.

[@jonsnow6741]

the villages in the midlands are full of them . Generally the illegal ones appear to be driven by those with little money yet they cost 5k plus !

[@justinbogart278]

Still a shitton cheaper than a car. Worst scam in history....

[@mr.christopheralancurd1349]

Greetings, how's it going? I have a full clean B/B1 Driving licence and Pass Plus. It's been a nearly 14 years since I drove a car. 🚗 similar time since ride a cycle 🚲 bike. I was also tried to apply for my CBT, but sadly failed. I was thinking of buying a e cycle 🚲 bike. But I think I'll just buy a cycle 🚲 bike until I pass my CBT. (I'm not sure of all the facts, but get 2 years for moped, need L plates, not aloud passengers, can't go on Due Carage ways or/& Moter ways.) But please don't quote me and feel free to do your own research. Also, I'm currently unemployed and searching for Permanent and Full-time Career direct with employer. Thank you and Farewell

[@tethealey2955]

There is a distinct difference between a pedal assist bicycle that is restricted to 15mph and an electric motorcycle that has no such restriction and has to be insured, taxed, fully licensed, the user required to wear a crash helmet. I think the clip shows an electric motorcycle not complying with any of the aforementioned laws. Most electric bicycles will struggle to keep up with a decent lightweight normal bicycle ridden by your average fit human.

[@mapledelight]

Exactly.

[@carlwilliams3488]

Problem is that EAPC's can easily be 'chipped' and that limiter is easily removed. They can then happily hit 30mph and present as much of a problem (or even more) as the illegally ridden electric motorbike in this video.

[@mapledelight]

@@carlwilliams3488 true enough, although 2023 Surron can do 68mph straight out the box and illegal to start with.

[@iamrocketray]

@tethealey2955 Except when it comes to hills 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WizardNumberNext]

​@@iamrocketraylook I can do 17mph very steep uphill from stand still and I am just human being. No I am not professional cyclist

[@paulburns6090]

This has become the chosen form of transport for Drug Dealers where i live, its funny how they wear ski masks and goggles in the height of summer.

[@gobshite99]

That wasn't an ebike. It's a bike fitted with a motor and throttle. Completely illegal.

[@GarrattHamster]

You can have a throttle/walk assistance, as long it goes up to 3 or 4 mph and cuts out.

[@VictheSecret]

@@GarrattHamsterNot the same thing at all, as you well know.

[@knoxieman]

It's not an ebike bb needs to do research these are motorbikes with electric motors, he's not helping law abiding ebike riders by lumping everyone in to the same basket, it's like saying everyone who smokes anything is smoking drugs, pathetic I'll informed video

[@alphonsotate2982]

I am glad I live in the USA i have a 2000 watt two motor wheel bike but I go slow like a bike suppose to I ride sensible on bike trails and I peddle using the assist

[@TheBlibo]

You have hit the nail on the head If they are safely used. There is a percentage of the public that don't care backed up by a retail system with only one agenda and parents that couldn't care less with a run down police force. This country is getting worse day by day

[@shed.projects5150]

This is what you get with a lawless society.

[@bigbasil1908]

And a lawless government

[@ynotnilknarf39]

An enslaved and impoverished society ruled b a terrorist government that takes its orders from the like of the WHO UN EU WEF. Divide and conquer b the elite scum class incl Charlie boy. What we see here is part and parcel of people literall surviving and living in fear such that the make horrible decisions. In a world not led by greed and extremet globalists, this is far less likely to happen

[@DemonXeron]

Laws do not prevent people doing crimes. Enforced authority can disincentivise crime, but it's a sticking plaster. Too much policing and law and you end up with an authoritarian state. Balance between liberty and authority is important. This balance could be met by society, but that doesn't mean all bad things stop happening, just that justice is more likely when they do and fewer people want to commit crimes. You can also prevent crime by tackling the source of the issue. In this case it's a transportation issue, so methods of prevention are obvious.

[@mattski8787]

Full electric bike with no pedals. Sur-Ron other brands are available. Got plenty of little bells using them around my way. Generally using them to run errands and causing a nuisance. Pretty much a silent motocross bike

[@ISOSAILING]

thats all they are, they will do 70mph they are supose to be road registerd, classed as a mophead ,yet the minute i do the same thing with my montessa i'd have the police at me in minuets.

[@mattwardman]

It's an electric moped not an ebike.

[@georgebarnes8163]

@@mattwardman it is an electric motorcycle not a moped

[@skyrise4827]

Just made the same comment. :D

[@skyrise4827]

@@ISOSAILING I really like the idea of the Sur-ron road legal one. Fast, Cheap and fun..

[@deezus1750]

Doesn't look like an electric bike, looks like an electric motorbike, but I'm still surprised something going that fast, with the possibility to severely hurt someone doesn't have a piece of identification on it

[@definitelynotkwacker]

They never had identification when I was a kid back in the 70's either. First thing people did on their old or stolen motorcycles was take off the number plate. Nothing new here except that being silent electric motorcycles are harder to target because you can't hear them from miles away and the youths riding them are responding to the "surveillance culture" we have by covering up.

[@disaffectedmale]

But it's so good for the environment... If I run someone over on my 1000cc motorcycle (boo hiss) I have a numberplate to identify me, I had to pass a difficult test in order to ride the thing in the first place, there's a licence on which I can be endorsed off the road completely by a judge and insurance to claim against.

[@davefb]

Its supposed to. they're sold for off road purposes.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

Over a million car drivers with no licence, no insurance, no MOT no VED, motorists kill and maim best part of 24,000/year and virtually all have a genuine reg plate. What makes you think having one is a deterrent to committing an offence and going to reduce harm?

[@ynotnilknarf39]

@@disaffectedmale naive reply having a reg plate didn't stop anyone from killing or maiming others, nor did passing a test (it's not difficult, stop kidding yourself!) Over a million motorists have no VED, have not passed a test so no licence, have no Insurance or MOT. Putting plates on an e-motorbike is worthless because the death toll WITH that system is futile to stop humans from doing harm.

[@ValisFan3]

This is a case of China dumping their e-bikes and batteries onto other countries and saying "you figure out the laws and the safety." A lot of people in the US and UK just aren't responsible people, and shouldn't have access to something this heavy that can go at such fast speeds. Someone with no cycling experience shouldn't be able to ride at Tour de France speeds on a vehicle that weighs 60 lbs.

[@TrepeGB]

It’s a serious problem. The pavement has become an extension of the road and I don’t feel safe walking on a pavement anymore. I have electric scooters, e-bikes, mobility scooters, bicycles, one wheels and mini motos racing past me daily. It doesn’t help that many councils have started letting these bicycles ride on pavements that are assigned dual use. Every day is a near miss for me walking on the pavement and even if I’m not hit, I’m unsteady on my feet and having something race by at high speed can make me fall. Something needs to be done about it.

[@alexmousley7213]

Sorry to hear you are unsafe on pavements, the lack of decent cycle paths doesn't help matters- some roads are so dangerous to cycle on that cyclists sometimes use pavemets (though some pavements have cycle paths on)- certainly anyone using pavements to cycle on needs to slow down and give space for pedestrians.

[@anthonyduffy1278]

I too am in Birmingham. During the recent e-scooter trials. I was overtaken by an E-scooter. The rider was on and off the pavement, in and out of traffic, wildly swerving to get past other traffic. Imagine my joy, when 100m further on, he clipped a bollard and flew through the air, landing on his face. I drove happily past, as he sat dazed, in the bus Lane looking very sorry for himself! Made my day!

[@stephengrimmer35]

In the bus lane? Shame there is never a bus coming along when you want one!

[@DrRusty5]

Anytime I see a scooter, I am immediately in a heightened state of awareness as they are so unpredictable.

[@guruoo]

It's unhealthy to take pleasure in other's misfortune, whether at fault, or not.

[@uncensored5104]

The ebike isn't the problem. Its the bellend riding it! But the bike was also home made and over powered, as you could tell as he pulled away. Im not totally against some sort of registration, but we already have to much law and control over our lives as it is. I also own a 2000w ebike myself, but it is road registered as a moped and restricted to 29mph. Because of this it is also Taxed, MOt'd & Insured. But a word on the insurance which in my opinion needs to be addressed; I pay more for my ebike insurance than I do for my Ducati sports bike! This needs to be sorted out as no one will pay over the odds for insurance premiums.

[@hairyairey]

Same with scooters that tear along the pavement and into corners without slowing down. I think they should all have insurance.

[@stephengraham1153]

And that's the problem. The bellends will ruin it for everyone else. So instead of being a cheap and convenient mode of transport, it will become so heavily legislated that many would-be users will continue driving cars. And the bellends will continue behaving just as they were despite increased legislation.

[@BlueShadow777]

Agreed!

[@stestar09]

​@@stephengraham1153double agreed 👍🏼 great points

[@stestar09]

How much is the insurance on your 2kw ebike ? I have a 1kw restricted to 15mph , i also have a wr450 £100 a year insurance, a zx6r £96 a year & an R1 £154 for the year , just asking to guage the difference @ this current time

[@chapers04]

I am a professional driver doing 30 in a 30 and was overtaken at im guessing 50 on a mountain bike. Rounding the next corner i found the driver in the road with a horrifically broken leg screaming. I continued to my next drop.

[@goodyeoman4534]

I'd have done the same.

[@marklittler784]

Should have stopped to film it 😅😊😅

[@wiganer9912]

I would have wound down the window and done a ''HA HA'' in the manner of Nelson from the Simpsons.

[@jimmyriddle4159]

I believe that was an unregistered electric motorcycle not a bonafide ebike

[@mapledelight]

You'd think a barrister would realise this !

[@upthebracket26]

@@mapledelight there's a reason why he picks certain 'trends' & not actual interesting legal tidbits.

[@patrickdoyle9369]

I would just like to say a big thank you for all your videos, hard work, and the knowledge you bring too the public on all manner of law matters, and informing people of the correct information. As for getting round the problem, i would suggest that before you can use the bike you need to make a payment, and in doing so that would require a credit card and on top of that a finger print I.D scan. This is so that people finding a CC or solen or using someone else CC they can not say it was not me or it was someone else as you have to scan your finger also, or the bike simply won't work. Finger print scans are being used on phones so why not on a bike. It would only take a few moments. This would help a long way in stopping people from using these bikes the wrong way and getting away with this sort of thing shown here.

[@13thearl]

As a kid in Nigeria, our push bikes had to display a licence plate (5/- a year if I remember correctly) so there is no real reason why licencing and insurance could not be enforced. I now ride a motorcycle and would not dream of riding while not fully legal.

[@mattthecasualgamer]

Stop blaming the tools, blame the tools using them.

[@cryptohappy66]

See it everytime lol do these barristers ever learn?

[@TehJumpingJawa]

I don't think many are blaming the bike itself. The largest portion of blame falls on the legislature, for: - failing to build adequate cycling & motorcycling infrastucture - failing to keep up with battery technology; either through laws, standards or licensing. - failing to adequately fund the police, and hamstringing them with restrictive codes of conduct, making most laws unenforceable. - failing to ban the sale of vehicles that can ONLY be used illegally. Even if we ignore how these electric vehicles are being used on the roads/pavements, there are far larger problems with *all* battery powered vehicles; in both their storage & charging. Will it require another Grenfell-type fire for the government to take notice of how idiotically unsafe it is to fill multi-storey car parks with 100s of tonnes of self-combusting electric vehicles? Or e-bikes being stored & charged in HMOs? It's both a disaster waiting to happen, and a problem that's incredibly difficulty to solve as Li-ion batteries are not a fail-safe technology.

[@janporkpie]

You missed one very important condition if the bicycle is to be legal. They are called electrically assisted pedal cycles - if the rider stops pedalling the motor stops assisting, they cannot move using just the electric motor. The 15.5 mph limit you mention is the maximum speed at which assistance from the electric motor is available - at speeds greater than 15.5 mph the motor stops assisting and the rider is doing all the work. I can pedal my legal ebike along the flat at 18 mph fairly easily - just as I can my not assisted (traditional) bicycle. The riders you are talking about are riding electric motorcycles (possibly mopeds, it depends on the vehicle power). They will not be type approved, registered, taxed or insured - they are motor vehicles being driven/ridden illegally. If caught the rider can be prosecuted exactly as if they were riding/driving and motor vehicle without the appropriate licence, registration, insurance etc. To solve the problem? Easy, the Police should do their job. It's an easy crime to detect as it's taking place in public. One officer on a motorcycle could follow and stop the rider of such a bike and confiscate it as an uninsured motor vehicle, then call for the collection van. That's two officers, one small motorcycle and a van - they could take 20 or 30 of these bikes off the road in a day.

[@TheHovel]

Will you please stop talking sense, this is KZbin. ...and the police have more important things to do. Like dealing with non-crimes and making sure that all is well at McDonalds.

[@HoratioChinn]

Just get the cops to sit outside their local McDonalds and they'll find many illegal ebikes turning up throughout the day.

[@BlueShadow777]

It’s a problem here in Edinburgh too and the police do nothing! The registration plate issue is irrelevant (and I’m against them for e-bikes and e-scooters) as these scum-buckets would take the plate off anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@turtlerx]

Main suspects are all from Greendykes/Niddrie/Bingham. I grew up with most of them. They now use these surrons to scout for motorbikes to steal. They have been known to police for decades but they will never change so keep your bikes locked up and out of sight

[@KeirGevo]

​@@turtlerxLooks like your comment is banned lmao, had to click on new comments and scroll down. I've just moved to Edinburgh and that's good to know Thanks!

[@cryptohappy66]

Same with everything. A small few ruin it for everyon else.

[@turtlerx]

@@KeirGevo Get that all the time. KZbin doesn't like what I have to say because truth hurts 👍🏻

[@turtlerx]

@@KeirGevo What bike do you have?

[@MrDGS999]

I ride a Brompton e bike, limited and legal with pedals. The issue is the huge motors available on imported bikes that are equipped with a throttle. I had a food delivery rider shoot past me yesterday, not peddling and obviously using a thumb throttle

[@Chigleybus]

Probably peddling but definitely not pedalling.

[@GazzaView123]

THE BIKE IN THIS VIDEO ISN'T AN E-BIKE!!!! It's an electric motorbike.

[@arkadybron1994]

This is exactly the same situation we faced when manufacturers started making motorised pedal bikes in the 50's. The government created a new classification of moped, which required insurance and registration.

[@paulqueripel3493]

Anything capable of over 15.5mph under electric power, or moving without using the pedals (twist grip etc.) except in walk mode, or over 250w is already a moped and covered under the law.

[@MattyEngland]

​@@paulqueripel3493Exactly, but the police won't enforce it.

[@louisehazard4089]

They don't enforce it because the riders do not have helmets on. The police can be charged if the rider comes off and is injured during a chase I doubt a car would catch one to be honest in a residential area. Have you seen the manoeuvrability of one of these electric motorbikes? The only way around it is that it cannot be sold without a registration plate.

[@MattyEngland]

@@louisehazard4089 They don't enforce it and then they go and do things like this. If they don't stop the police should be allowed to ram them. If they die then saves on prison bills anyway. Win-win.

[@compostjohn]

I have an e-cargo bike, but I like to think I ride with care and respect. I have a bell, and stop at traffic lights, etc. It isn't the vehicle, as such, but the behaviour of the operator, which should be under the microscope.

[@hypergolic8468]

I know exactly who this is. This is one of those "cheeky chappies who has a heart of gold, who would do anything for anyone". Well that's what they say when they have killed themselves or someone else, as the family blame everyone but the person involved.

[@LonesomeTwin]

Pretty sure that Google will know everybody in that place at that time. It also knows how fast they were going. One police warrant could get this situation dealt with.

[@martinsim9881]

Ebikes are not the issue. That was not an Ebike in the clip, but rather a throttle controlled Emotobike (as can easily be seen by the way he accelerates away without the feet on the pedals) which are an issue, and are definitely illegal on UK roads. Unfortunately there is no control on the selling of the illegal Emotos. As a responsible rider of a legal Ebike it really annoys me that certain parts of the press and social media want to link two very different things. Just to clarify an Ebike does not propell itself, but rather adds assistance to pedalling being put in by the rider upto 25Kph. That does not mean an Ebike cannot go faster than that, but beyond that point, it provides no assistance, so it is then basically a standard push bike.

[@mcdon2401]

My ex was a lollipop lady. Pretty sure if they'd seen a walloper come charging towards a crossing like that, the lollipop would have been used to enforce the order to stop...

[@tonypaddler]

@mcdon, haha 🤣, now that would be a video I'd like to see 👍

[@69waveydavey]

The Aussie police seem to be trying to sort things out but here I saw a gang of them doing wheelies, weaving about all over the road on both sides, had to slow right down in my car, they shot through a junction with red lights. There were coppers at the junction in a car, I don't even know if they gave them a second glance. A lot are ridden by kids/teenagers, the parents are obviously buying them and should be held to account too.

[@thedave7760]

What city are you in? Thats not how I remember Aussie cops, they would be right onto this sort of thing in QLD, probably get the helicopter if it was nearby.

[@christophersherratt7299]

The child was of the curb at a junction WHY not near the lollipop lady watch in slow motion and zoom in bad parenting

[@69waveydavey]

@@thedave7760 I am in the UK, I am saying UK cops are useless. I have seen Aussie videos of the cops making an effort.

[@69waveydavey]

@@christophersherratt7299 I was done for drink driving, I told the copper, "She never looked both ways"! He said "She didn't need to she was in her own kitchen".

[@RuadhSelkirk19-57]

​@christophersherratt7299 The lollipop woman had stopped the traffic so people could cross the road. It was the masked criminal on the bike that was the problem, so you could be right about bad parenting, you just didn't pick the correct parent.

[@ricardocortez6486]

First time I visited the UK (Cardiff) . I was shocked at the number of people with cover faces like balaclava. On bicycles e-bikes dirty bikes etc. Looks normal, the people accepted and the police don't do anything.

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

Drug runners.

[@DemiGod..]

Fae coverings are encouraged because of covid.

[@Formally-known-Prince-Andrew]

Yep dreadful round here mate. Absolutely lawless round here in Ely.

[@steve00alt70]

Nothing wrong with having your face covered

[@Formally-known-Prince-Andrew]

@steve00alt70 unless you're covering your face with a helmet you look like a right plonker

[@ghj290]

That wasn't an ebike, that was an electric moped; fully legal if taxed , insured and ridden by somebody licensed, a ICE powered one would be just as illegal if ridden like that. Calling it an "ebike" is simple hyperbole .

[@wrightwoodwork]

The problem is just basic lack of morals. Any decent person would simply stop and would be looking out for other people.

[@christinehaywood9552]

This happened to me 4 weeks ago. I was crossing the road when green man was showing got to the middle of the road and the e bike zoomed in between cars that had stopped. Just missed me if I had gone one more step definitely would have hit me. I also use a walking sticking . I was very lucky he missed me

[@alanparkinson549]

You should have pushed your walking stick through his spokes.

[@vwthings]

@@alanparkinson549 I did that very thing years ago. He landed in a heap.🤪

[@zulu1184]

To be fair, the bike in the initial video is clearly a Sur-Ron (or similar) type electric motorbike, rather than a modified EAPC. I think there’s a very pertinent question as to whether these should be on sale to the public at all in the U.K. without type approval.

[@mapledelight]

They should be sold in motorbike shops with plates and mot to people with a licence.

[@Man_v_Cars]

They are approved, for off road use. You can pay extra for them to be road legal but scrotes don't care.

[@nighttrain1236]

Clearly, they're being sold to people with no licence. Perhaps more could be done here.

[@tylerjack4290]

Something that alot of these people who like to ride fast on e-bikes and e-scooters need to understand is just because they know what they are doing doesnt mean pedestrians understand what they are doing

[@tylerjack4290]

@dougaldouglas8842 i know i hate it when they are travelling at 15mph and ring there bell is say excuse me and you dont know which way to go

[@davidhazell4054]

Therein lies the problem, understand, they don’t, they won’t

[@MrDannyDetail]

@@tylerjack4290 Exactly, the faster someone is travelling on an ebike or bicycle the further away from the pedestrian they need to ring their bell to give the pedestrian time to turn, see them, and process and execute any necessary avoidance. Ringing the bell as they attempt to pass (as many bell-owning ebikers and cyclists seem to do) risks the pedestrian making a snap decision without the time to look and process, and accidentally turning into theirr path instead of out of it. Of course very few of these sorts of vehicles have or use a bell in the first place, and most make little to no noise of any other kind due to how good bicycle engineering has got in the last few decades, but then again many cars make very very little noise these days too, so as a pedestian crossing anywhere where cars can travel you can have a (slow) moving car a couple of feet behind you and not hear anything and then jump out of your skin when you suddenly realise it, as happened to me and a friend on a pedestrianised area (with, as it turned out vehicular access for properties located there) a few days ago.

[@TheKeirsunishi]

There doesn't need to be any ammendmet to the law in regards to EAPCs as the bike in the video isn't an EAPC

[@brunswicklord6365]

West Yorkshire- not so much an e bike problem, more a problem of youths wearing dark clothes and balaclavas riding on mass terrorising neighbourhoods on unidentifiable scooters and motorbikes.

[@StuartPlumbley]

The ebikes used by last mile delivery riders are very likely to be diy kits attached to old bikes. These should adhere to the same ebike rules, with speed limit and no thottle, however as they are kits that can be setup in different configurations (some countries allow throttles for example), then it's trivial for the people building them to circumvent any restrictions.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

The kits in question are often 1000-2000 watt motors and the kit comes with a throttle. I know this because I've built a few to use for off road mountain biking. They can reach 30-40mph without pedalling so like a little better than a 50cc scooter in performance. The problem is that the police simply can't and won't enforce it because they'd have to pull over every single ebike to investigate if it's legal or not and who's gonna have the time for that?. So people are paying a grand for a lot and battery and sticking it on an old bike and riding it on the road often without any training in the slightest.

[@thorgrimb2416]

There is an issue especially if delivery cyclists the regulation of max 250 Watts mean the would never even make it up a quit moderate incline never mind a proper hill. As it stands with 250 watt max if you weigh around 15 stone or more you would need an absolute min of 500 Watts but in reality more like 750 Watts even with these if you do make it to the top of a hill you might be going 4, 5, or 6 miles an hour at best putting you in a lot of danger from motorists especially with the new laws meaning they should pass at a safe distance ie 1.5m or more. This is not an easy issue to solve correctly any rash knee jerk style designs most likely will end either in the serious injury or worse of either an e-cyclists or a pedestrian 100% down to an ill thought out set of laws.

[@malcolmemsley5909]

Probably from China. Probably the self combusting ones.

[@arronshaw5358]

Is it really a legislative problem or a societal problem, not only that we have idiots in full criminal mask garb riding around, but even when he crashes into a child severely injuring them and clearly gets back onto his bike immediately, nobody even attempts to stop them. Also the courts even if he was identified would do little to nothing let’s be honest, if he did it in a car they may suspend his licence but nothing approaching actual justice.

[@mike-ology22]

Wear a Burka or say it is part of your religion, and there is nothing you can do about it.

[@iwb316]

'nobody even attempts to stop them' That is the problem with today's society, they stand around filming it but don't use the powers available to them.

[@TonyCottrell-iv2qv]

Decent people, seeing the motorcyclist on the floor were more likely to be concerned that he might be hurt than that he might leave, and were probably concentrating on those knocked down.

[@arronshaw5358]

@@TonyCottrell-iv2qv Decent people must be pretty thick not to think a guy wearing a full face mask in public isnt up to no good

[@MatthewLenton]

This isn't a legal e-bike. It has a throttle

[@knoxieman]

It's a motorbike, it has no peddles and has a 6kw motor, BB is wrong to call it an ebike, lazy lazy click bait journo

[@SimonHollandfilms]

prosecute bad ebike driving not the size of the motor. a Ferrari driver does not get fined for having a sports car with a big motor, if they stick to the safe speed limits.

[@Stephanie-lg1cm]

Our roads are starting to look like a 3rd world country where people cobble together motor vehicles from motor bikes, lawn mowers and cycles.

[@The_DC_Kid]

As with guns, it's not the tool's fault, rather the FOOL'S fault.

[@godzillas6301]

guns arnt made for getting to work ... they have a single purpose and thats to kill Hard to find an analogy that fits . Maybe knives ?.

[@johnnyjohnn281]

A tool riding a tool. 😂

[@cryptohappy66]

​@@godzillas6301Depends where you are in this world. Guns are just nesasary in some places. Human nature to want to protect what you own.

[@TheThermalGuy]

@@godzillas6301 you fail to see the point, If somone is killed by a maniac with a spoon is it the spoons fault?

[@WhatYaL00kingAt]

​@@godzillas6301not all guns were made to kill. Most available on the US market were designed for self defense. Massive difference. Most people would survive a shot to the largest part of the body ie, the midsection. A kill shot would be when aimed at the head. I doubt you have ever been in any situation for using a gun for self defense but if you had then the normal reaction would be to point and shoot. Most people dont know how to aim properly. They rely on the stopping power alone but the problem is that many hand guns you can buy have a low stopping power so a second shot is often needed which does result in death.

[@KevinWMoor]

Sounds like a set of laws cooked up by people in cloud cuckoo land who gave no thought to how people would ignore them

[@WhiteDieselShed]

Just ancient laws created long before electric bicycles were even a pipe dream.

[@KevinWMoor]

@@WhiteDieselShed Very clever of them to define the power output of the electric motor then!

[@ynotnilknarf39]

a bit like how motorists ignore all the laws and kill and maim circa 24,000 people every year. clealry no thought to the laws because hardly anyone driving a car HGV van or even bus adhere to them!

[@colincampbell4261]

EU Laws.

[@MolonyProductions]

Here in Ireland we have escooters on the busiest motorway in the country. Not only is it tantamount to suicide but it puts other motorists at serious risk. Also the law is quite clear here in Ireland, any mechanically propelled vehicle must follow the rules of the road.

[@WillCamx]

I don't care if they kill themselves as long as they don't injure anyone else.

[@megapangolin1093]

I dont see suicide as a problem, so long as they don't inconvenience, or hurt anyone else.

[@highloughsdrifter1629]

E-bike law in Ireland is pretty much the same as the UK, since both are based on the EU law. 250W 25kph max assist, pedal control is treated the same as a push bike. Anything faster or more powerful is a motorbike.

[@Nicknofish]

Most people are responsible, you always get the idiots. Nothing wrong with a legal ebike.

[@hazel9903]

I had one of these ignorant yobs nearly smash into the side of my fully road worthy pavement scooter after dark as I was crossing over the road and they were on the wrong side of the road approaching me at over 30mph which I suspect this individual may be doing in this video. They weren't even wearing a crash helmet so I'm guessing the parents of these teenagers don't care if their offspring potentially end up with fatal head injuries or injure or kill others. If an adult chooses not to wear a crash helmet and behaves in such a reckless way, they are not only putting their own life at risk but those of others but they just don't seem to care - Something needs to be done about this now as they're all travelling illegally too fast.

[@akaCol1987]

The problem here clearly is not the bike - it's the speed at which the bike is being used and the operator's lack of concern for others around them, as demonstrated by the fact that they just get up and continue immediately after the incident.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

That depends on the e-bike. I believe that if it has a throttle, and they're sold like that, ie not just assisted pedaling, then it's classed as a scooter/moped. You need a license, registration, etc. Some of the blame has to fall on the person who sold it to them...

[@seraphina985]

That is correct, at least not unless the bike was first sold prior to that rule coming into force or the assistance without pedalling is limited to a maximum of 6kph. So yeah anything bike you see that is very clearly less than 8 years old now that is using motor assistance while being ridden and not being pedalled will fall foul of this. That limited assistance was retained specifically to accommodate those with mobility impairments that would make it difficult to push their bike when the law requires them to dismount and do so. Which to be fair would probably be the only way it would be useful even while pushing a bike as this is at the lower end of average adult walking pace over relatively even ground. It would be a rough uphill hike before that would kick in for most people and in that case building up momentum and hitting it while peddling would be the smart move anyway. No reason to try and push it so slow on foot unless you are not allowed to ride there and physically struggle to go at a normal walking speed.

[@barbaraneville5036]

That E-bike was a sur-ron basically an electric motorbike Notice there was no pedalling involved by the rider and they are over 250 watts they have unlocked controllers and can go up to around 40 MPH

[@mapledelight]

Yep, emotorbike, nothing to do with legal ebikes.

[@justinmarkwilliams]

How is that any different to normal (non electric) push bikes? eg any pushbike can do the same

[@mojo2418]

Did you not see him pull away without pedaling? Push bikes or bicycles require pedelling. He was using a throttle which is very much against the law.

[@Chigleybus]

You'd have to have taken some serious performance enhancing drugs to do that speed on the flat on a pushbike. Try it and see how you get on. If you get above 12mph I'll be delighted for you.

[@justinmarkwilliams]

@mojo2418 the problem was he wasn't paying attention and didn't stop. U don't need to pedal to use the brakes

[@justinmarkwilliams]

@@Chigleybus the problem was he didn't stop, colliding with school kids... Don't need performance to pull the brake!

[@Chigleybus]

@@justinmarkwilliams you're right there friend. Sadly the dreg, basically a feral sub-species, always seems to have far less brain than brawn.

[@bettyswallocks6411]

Greetings from Vienna, where eScooters are more of a problem than eBikes. The authorities have begun to regulate, but a lot of there is a lot of irresponsible behaviour. Some kids have taken to launching themselves out of buses when they stop. I would also argue that anyone riding on any bike or scooter, either using headphones or a smartphone is neither in full and proper control of the vehicle or displaying any duty of care for others.

[@TTM1895]

As human beings, we all have our level of thrill-seeking. Some are excessively exuberant about their thrill-seeking and don't care who gets hurt as long as they get their High.

[@mrbluesky9891]

They should be locked up and made to read The Highway Code and not released until they pass a very hard test.

[@robertwoolstencroft5946]

Even if there was a registration plate that could be traced to an owner, it probably would turn out to have been stolen.???

[@derekcable]

BBB I witness everything you've mention most afternoons on my journey home from the city to the Blackwall tunnel.....its totally insane and getting worse.

[@janburn007]

E-scooters are probably more of a problem in my city - & their riders are rarely compliant with the law. Often there are 2 people riding one scooter (illegal - there's only meant to be one person riding each scooter!), often either 1 or both of the riders are not wearing helmets (illegal!), often they are riding on the road (illegal - except for in an emergency situation), & often they are exceeding the speed limit for the area in which they are riding (illegal!). Whilst the rider/hirer is automatically insured when riding the e-scooter, it will not pay out if the rider is not compliant with the law - which is most of the time & would be easy to prove with all the security cameras around the city. So I suspect that those insurance policies have rarely had to pay out. The trouble is, the scooter riding is not adequately policed/monitored. But given that so many of them are breaking the law - if they were being properly policed, & issuing the appropriate fines for all the various offences (usually the fine is about 50 pounds for each offence, I think) - it would generate a huge amount of income for the city, in addition to making the CBD a safer place. So I cannot understand why the city does not employ at least a couple of enforcement officers to go around the CBD fining all the non-compliant e-scooter riders for these offences - as they would more than recoup the cost of their wages in a very short space of time & the city would benefit from all that extra income generated.

[@rayDJ.AbdNas]

Helmets are NOT an obligation, wearing a helmet doesn't automatically make you a safe rider, yes I'd also encourage it, but it's not a LEGAL OBLIGATION.

[@janburn007]

@@rayDJ.AbdNasThe laws for e- scooters do vary between different jurisdictions & it IS certainly an obligation in my city. An e-scooter rider can be fined almost $200 for not wearing the provided helmet while riding an e-scooter. That means it's an obligation in my city.

[@rayDJ.AbdNas]

@@janburn007 ah I understand fair enough

[@biscuitsalive]

That one in the footage was certainly illegal. It popped a wheelie on escape with no peddling. Impossible to do on a legal machine that requires peddling before it adds electric power.

[@johndinsdale1707]

I think you need to make a distinction between a peddle assistance bicycle. Where the assistance is working with a cadence sensor and a throttle driven motorbike where the motor is electric. Both have way more than 250 watts of assistance. Most adult men can provide 500 watts of power for a short duration. However an assisted peddle bicycle motor cuts off at 21km/h.

[@mapledelight]

Exactly. One in vid was an emotorbike.

[@jeffknight904]

It's interesting that you mentioned walking in Birmingham and seeing E-bikes whizzing around on pavements. In the last year or so, the dramatic increase in E-bikes and E-scooters zipping along pavements and pedestrianised areas in Brum is truly alarming. It isn't possible to walk more than a few paces on a pavement without encountering one and, just as in this video, the majority of users are head-to-toe in clothing - even in warm weather - meaning they have absolute anonymity. A few days ago, I encountered an E-bike rider, who had a Deliveroo box attached to his bike who sped around a blind corner at a T-junction right into my path. Unknown to me at the time, there was an E-scooter rider behind me who was starting to overtake me and, as the Deliveroo rider appeared from around the corner, he suddenly realised he was on a collision-course with me so had to take evasive action which sent him to my left, ploughing straight into the E-scooter rider who was by now parallel to me. Both riders were thrown off their E-vehicles and skidded into the road, sliding on their black woolly all-over clothing, narrowly missing a bus. I was lucky not to have been hit by the E-biker - my evasive action involved suddenly leaping to my right into a hedge. Both riders immediately remounted their vehicles without acknowledging anyone and disappeared into the ether. One car driver, who had rammed on his brakes to avoid hitting the E-riders as they fell into his path, immediately telephoned Deliveroo to report that one of their drivers had caused an incident. I wonder if that company - and, for that matter, other food courier companies who are mass breakers of cycling laws - are aware of how close they really are to having to defend themselves against a corporate manslaughter case. The worst thing about this wild west lawlessness amongst these selfish E-idiots is that increasing numbers of elderly, disabled and clinically vulnerable people are avoiding leaving their homes because of the perceived danger that E-riders pose to pedestrian safety. It's clear that the lawmakers of this land don't spend a lot of time walking on urban pavements.

[@Netantix]

Cool story bro

[@colincampbell4261]

Build more cycle routes. If pavements wide enough no problem as shared space

[@marinaknife4595]

Electric cars have to be checked MOT - taxed & insured - so why is that not standard for electric bikes - as you cite the power can be adapted and speed power adjusted.

[@WhiteDieselShed]

1000w motors look identical to 250w motors, sometimes just a change in speed controller or wiring the motor differently.

[@DarkSideTyke]

I work in a petrol station next to a Travelodge who have vans stolen or broken into on a daily basis by local yobs. The local yobs now favour e-bikes over motor bikes to assist in their criminal activity due to been quieter and in some cases just as fast. The e-bikes are a lot easier for the yobs to steal too. I have witnessed a heck of a lot of theft from people walking along by e-bike riders as they know there is probably a zero chance of getting caught. Drunk riding too nearly causing accidents. E-bikes absolute brilliant for both sides of the law.

[@markstorer7204]

I fully agree, both unrestricted e-bikes & e-scooters are a major issue here in Manchester...... In my opinion the only option is to have them registered with a visible identification number on a hi- viz vest, and allow police officers etc to be able to stop and inspect/test these things whilst also check insurance and roadworthyness..... Ita just a shame the minority who flout the rules apol ot for the majority......but I guess rhats always been the way 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️😡

[@darrenpotter6297]

We should be careful when referring to "e-bikes", while some mention is made to define pedal assist bikes, they are a completely different thing to electrically powered motor bikes. A pedal assist bike is a normal bicycle with a small motor to help you get going to climb up a hill. They are limited in power, limited on how fast they will assist you and do not provide any power if you're not peddling at all. An electric motor bike, like the one in the video is a motor bike with an electric motor for an engine in the same way electric cars are cars with electric motors for engines. The problem here is not the vehicle, it's the dangerous road user. That bike could just as easily have been a dirt bike which hasn't been registered for on road use and being ridden in a dangerous manor.

[@johncawley6230]

I think we need to remember that a lot of e bike riders are of an age that are using them not only as a form or transportation but also as a means of trying to get fit! Most, I am sure, adhere to the laws put in place. I believe that the issue is more to do with the lawless society that is ravaging our towns and cities. I work in the centre of Leeds and see so many young people riding bikes where the batteries are wrapped in polythene zipping around the centre without pedalling. There are no police present and as such these lads (always lads, delivering for fast food chains?) think they can do whatever they like. Me and my partner (both in our 50's) commute in to the city centre on our e bikes for work and stick to the rules set before us. Should we be penalised for being compliant in the law set before us? Most cyclists can pedal above 15.5 mph without electric power?

[@mapledelight]

This article is about emotorbikes contrary to the barrister calling them ebikes which it wasn't.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

How many people die or get seriously injured in Leeds due to motorists actions, just a rough number so we can compare as to where the major problem lies. Motorists think and do do what they like, every day and have done for best part of a century, Between 1951 and 2006 a total of 309,144 people were killed and 17.6 million were injured in accidents on British roads, doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that was mostly people driving motors.

[@shadoman7682]

I have seen hundreds of people on e-bikes and scooters and every one of them has been reckless, dangerous with a complete disregard of the law. I have never seen one comply with the law...

[@mapledelight]

@@shadoman7682 hi, I've even got a bell :)

[@ynotnilknarf39]

@@shadoman7682 How many killed and seriously injured by e-bike users compared to motorists? I've seen MILLIONS of motorists break the law, they do it every single day, as a consequnce six people die and over 60 have life changing inuries every single day with a complete disregard of the law and respect for life! People on bicycles are at fault for fewer than one death per year on average and are less dangerous than pedestrians. How many people have all the different road user types killed or seriously injured?

[@AndyR072]

I saw a guy on a e-bike the other day, it must have been modified in some way because I was doing 40mph and he overtook me.

[@matthewdowning6009]

These are not E-bikes. They are electric motorcycles. E-bikes are restricted to 16 mph and have to have pedals and only engage the electric motor when being pedalled, they must not have a throttle (Pedelec or EPAC is the proper name). The thing in this video is already illegal unless registered, licensed an insured.

[@coolvideos8864]

E-bikes seem to be for a "certain type" of person. You know like the same idiots that go around villages and towns on motorbikes without helmets don't have insurance or license.

[@MattyEngland]

Yep, you're exactly right. They should make it a mandatory 10 year prison sentance for riding these things illegally.

[@phedrob3735]

Have you ever covered the situation of mobility scooters moving at high speed on pavements.

[@iamrocketray]

They are restricted to max 8 mph. BUT I am seeing perfectly able bodied people using them!

[@phedrob3735]

@@iamrocketray I believe there are two categories, one capable of 4mph and the other 8mph. If used on the pavement they should not exceed 4mph but they do frequently.

[@BridAnderson]

I really enjoy your videos. I agree with the other comments: this appears to be an electric motorbike rather than an electric pedal bike (ebike). This one is really relevant to me as I used one of the hire Lime ebikes to get between my hotel in Ealing and Wembley stadium this weekend. I was really impressed with it and managed to do the trip in 30 mins which would otherwise take 40+ mins by bus/train or longer by taxi with the traffic. Most of the pathways along the route seemed to be shared cycle/pedestrian tracks and so I can see how issues may arise. However, I think ebikes are part of the solution to tackle congestion, climate change and also support healthier alternatives compared to using the car, bus or train. I just hope issues such as this - which aren't actually ebikes - don't ruin the reputation of ebikes before they have really had the chance to be properly implemented and adopted by the general public.

[@mapledelight]

Well said! Shame the barrister can't tell the difference between an emotorbike and ebike and manages to fuel hate towards innocent ebikes.

[@MrGrimmyGrimshaw]

Well said Brid. Let’s not let the dregs of society on e-motorbikes completely ruin the reputation of law-abiding e-bikes and all the benefits they bring.

[@taras6806]

Another brill educational video Daniel and thank you. With no enforceable laws they can and do just go nuts. E-scooters worse IMHO. I'm all for increased transportation methods too but not where they are potentially extremely dangerous. Police never can catch up even if they try. I think there should be at the very least a requirement for numberplates notwithstanding that this wouldn't solve the problem of 'it wan't me riding it, Sir'.

[@miriamcarroll4260]

That’s everywhere darling. Thank Gid this idiot wasn’t driving a car or the child would be dead!

[@fireflower6974]

I saw an electric motorbike in the clip not an ebike. The speed, acceleration and the fact that the rider wasn't pedalling made this very clear. Nothing to do with ebikes and everything to do with electric motorbikes. The latter have to be insured registered, number plated and the rider licenced. Never confuse these totally different vehicles.

[@arielmarshall5501]

Can any of us be sure/prove that the rider will go unpunnished for his actions? From what I gather it would appear that a large percentage of people believe we are always being watched by God/s and/or angels/aliens etc and/or in karma etc.

[@jbellfield]

I rarely see the police patrolling anymore so I doubt they could stop them if they wanted to.

[@DemiGod..]

Too busy on their computers looking for hate speach

[@LorTay-ho6wd]

I’m sick of the inaction towards e-bikes, e-scooters and bikes in general running by me through red traffic lights and on the pavement

[@WhiteDieselShed]

Yes escooters are illegal unless your local council are renting them out?? How did that make sense to anyone?

[@contessa.adella]

But you are ok with push bikes running red lights? Why pick on e-bikes instead of bad riders? Yes you say bikes in general…but clearly single out pevs.

[@spud7823]

It's not the bike, it's the people using it, most E bike riders are sensible.

[@atwaass]

so you would not be happy for my 12 year old son to ride on the pavement, i tell him to stay off the roads because of bellends on there mobile phones while driving. and going through a red light on a bike is safe as you can tell if theres no traffic coming. if you get upset when a bicycle goes through a red light your a nob. and these lycra cyclists who stop at lights need there heads shaking.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

I'm sick of inaction towards people driving cars, vans HGVs etc that kill 1700+ every year and maim over 20,000 every year, Not to mention the 50 deaths caused b motorists that occur on footways/(AKA pavements) Shouldn't your ire be more towards motorists not 'ebikes/scooters and bikes in general' as you state?

[@pam164]

This is happening all over and nothing is done about it, im scared to walk on pavement.

[@DemiGod..]

Worse on the road, they pass the bicycle at 50mph dangerously close.

[@markmywords5509]

Best to stay at home. Although that’s where most accidents happen.

[@TmHudsonArt]

Even worse when walking on public foot and bridle paths in green spaces as they take over every single one as their own personal bike track and give no fooks for the safety of anyone else.

[@pam164]

@@TmHudsonArt Yes and you have to move out the way on path for them, gone are the relaxing nice walks, im on edge plus where i live we have motor bikes with kids riding them everywhere. They need to do something but they won't.

[@revolutionaryhealthandfitn8712]

As many others have said, this looks like an electric motorcycle, not an e-bike. Its likely unregistered and uninsured for road use. Can you please make an update to correct this video, explain the differences between e-bikes and electric motorcycles, and clarify the relevant laws for each?

[@phantom62]

I have an etrike which I use to get around because of my disability. It's very old now, but I am always aware of pedestrians and cars too.