EA Butchered the Calientes (again)

[@acottonsock]

it's such an injustice to change the Arabic name of "Nighat" to "Katrina". you'd think EA would have a little more confidence in their player base to be respectful. beyond just the blatant whitewashing of nearly every POC character in the game, it's just such a regression in progress that the Sims 2, a game published in 2004, made.

[@tegandetermann3299]

"...you'd think EA would have a little more confidence in their player base..." No shade to you, but why? It's EA. They have no respect for their players, so why confidence?

[@Rekowcski]

It seems the "updates" are simply to adjust the skin tones of the sims, and not actually implement any aspect of their personality or background. EA is only concerned with appearing inclusive, not being inclusive.

[@acottonsock]

​@@tegandetermann3299 You make a valid point that EA has a reputation for not respecting their players. However, I would argue that The Sims community is unique in its positivity and supportiveness, which is why it's surprising that EA doesn't have more confidence in their player base. Compared to other gaming communities, The Sims community is actually quite positive and respectful. Of course, I'm not denying that there aren't outliers. But this is in contrast to other gaming communities like Overwatch, League of Legends, Valorant, CoD, and Rainbow 6 Siege, where toxicity is rampant. The toxicity is so bad in some of these games that I avoid using voice chat altogether. EA is aware of the Sims community's reputation for being tolerant and accepting, which is why it's surprising that they didn't have more confidence in their player base when it came to including Katrina's real name. This decision shows that even though they recognize the positive traits of the Sims community, they still don't fully trust their players to handle sensitive issues appropriately.

[@noestestristecass]

I think its interesting that they tried to make them appear more exotic with ethnic features but still call their mum katrina too I think its cause of the gallery name rules You cant upload ophelia "nigmos" or "nighat" to the gallery because it gets detected as a slur You'd think they could adjust the rules of what gets detected as a slur and what doesnt so they dont delete their own lore

[@noestestristecass]

@Sofia Giovanella my guess is theyre spanish with arabic ancestors too, iberia was once a muslim country called al-andalus after all and it is close to morocco. There was also the theory that caliente was including the word alien to reference their alien ancestor Tbh caliente isnt used in spanish to descrive someone as hot so i think they were just playing with names haha i mean caliente is normally used only for items or things

[@lucassantiago697]

One of the things about the Caliente sisters that I loved in the sims 2 was that their personalities were exactly opposite to each other's. If you look in their simology, Nina is neat and Dina is sloppy and so on. Because of how small the trait system is in the sims 4, we can't tell that they have opposites personalities

[@Rekowcski]

Yes! They literally took the personality points and reversed them so they are two opposite people. I don't think that's possible in the sims 4

[@alanna2004]

It’s sad when EA is completely fine with censoring “Katrina’s” real name because it’s too “offensive”. It just screams immature. 🤥 I love her name, the fact that EA can’t respect arabic name’s is just crazy! It’s 2023 EA!

[@Rekowcski]

I nearly forgot about this, they were discussing "concept art" since Pleasant Sims was covering it lol

[@Qermaq]

I don't understand why the name Nighat is offensive.

[@juliusma4880]

​@@Qermaq Because of the first 3 letters. That's also the reason why Ophelia's surname was changed to Specter instead of her original Nigmos.

[@diamondinthesky4771]

@@juliusma4880 Still would've been dumb to me but they could've changed it to a different Arabic name instead of "Katrina".

[@LeaB-uz8md]

This attitude is so american-centric it hurts. It reminds me of Americans who tried to cancel kpop bands over an "offensive"-sounding word that's literally just Korean for "you". There's nothing offensive about the name Nighat and suggesting otherwise because it reminds Americans of the n-word is just pathetic and disrespectful in itself.

[@westanimesims]

This needs to be mentioned, the fact that they took NINE years to get it at least closer to the Sims 2 counterpart is pathetic. Even worse it is not even done well. Also has it been a year they did the Goth family update? So we waited for a whole YEAR for an update of a family 4 Sims? Wow we are expecting the update to be done by 2050 for all the households.

[@Rekowcski]

Yeah... and they will be releasing the final expansion pack that year as well.

[@westanimesims]

@@Rekowcski Our 50th EP for Sims 4 woo

[@erin3269]

I think they could have easy renamed Katrina/Nighat to a different Arabic name, since it seems like part of the name (like Ophelia Nigmos) was being detected as a slur. It would have been a bit basic/stereotypical because of popular it is, I guess, but even Layla - which means "night," but can also mean colloquially "beautiful" due to its heavy use in medieval Arabic poetry - would have also been appropriate for the Caliente sister's mom. She is the mother of two beautiful daughters, after all! Plus her 1st husband was half alien, so it's kind of... night/stellar themed, I guess. Hala can mean halo (of the moon), which could also be cute too. Nadia, Khadijah, Safiyyah, Yasmin, and Zahra are also other Arabic names that I think are SO pretty and would all be fitting for Katrina/Nighat rename and not interfere with the gallery's filter - not like that stops Miss Hell (vampire townie), though...

[@shopmilkdesigns]

It's year 2400 and they have finished refreshing all the base game townies.

[@Rekowcski]

They can just delete the Roomies as far as I'm concerned lol

[@MinicartTSR]

I don't understand why they are all living together. Don had his own place. It seems to me that EA knows that TS2 is better than TS4 and they're trying to get a piece of 2 into 4 to make the game better but it doesn't work.

[@Rekowcski]

Sims 2 > Sims 4 Anytime, anywhere

[@emismpunk]

That’s what kinda gets me too. Like Don was in the medical career in TS2 and had his very own condo. He may be a playboy hunk, but he is far from being dumb or a mooch.

[@MistyBloom396]

Love how brutally honest you are when it comes to the sims 4, I have to respect it haha

[@Rekowcski]

Thank you, I am consistent 😭

[@queencleopatra007]

Been waiting all day for your reaction to this. EA's refresh literally made them WORSE 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@junodovah2323]

they look better than they used to but dina looks chinless to me lol. don definitely got the best makeover here

[@Rekowcski]

It looks like Nighat stole most of Dina's chin haha

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

Yeah chinless with a really wide jaw

[@sophiawahdan]

As an Arab, I was surprised to find out that Katrina Caliente's actual name is Nighat Al-Mahmood.

[@Rekowcski]

i think im going to try and resurrect her in sims 2

[@sophiawahdan]

@@Rekowcski that would be great!

[@wikicatyt]

Most of the critic was spot on! But I gotta disagree on the Caliente sisters personality. I think EA got their personalities almost perfect, except for Dina being Business Savy. Both the sisters are lazy, they both have no interests in work even though Nina is physically active (In more ways than one...). Nina is actually the meaner sister, she's shyer but much more grouchy, she will start random fights in public all the time, So Hot-headed fits her perfectly.

[@rodrigope.]

Kinda same, I feel Hot-Headed fits her well but not in an evil way, I think Nina is just easy to annoy but she's not a bad person, she's grouchy but not that much. I would've switched Nina and Don's aspirations, Villainous Valentine fits Don better than Nina

[@CarlDillynson]

Nina was actually kinda mean in The Sims 2 - she only had 4/10 nice points and 2/10 playful points, so her aspiration change in Sims 4 makes somewhat sense to me.

[@XxStarlightshyxX]

Look how they butchered my queen Dina. 😭 (Of course she didn't look good in TS4 to begin with but ughhhhh)

[@candyqueencandyqueen2689]

It kinda irks me that E.A. uses "The sims 4 is an Alternate Universe" to get away with not bothering to do their research. I have no clue why they decided to name Dina and Nina mom Katrina. What's even worse is that they brought back the mom to have a messy storyline with Don, only for the messy storyline to not even be in game. I decided to update the game myself; CAS and lore included to me no more than 2 hours. E.A. really is content on doing the bare minimum. The fact that it took almost a year to update a household of 4 sims is concerning.

[@yolkaspolka]

Laughing at this while playing Sims 3 😂

[@Rekowcski]

Living your best life

[@yolkaspolka]

@@Rekowcski haha definitely! I’ve been loving watching your videos especially the sims 3 ones are my favorite ❤️ can’t wait for more!

[@nosoyapyr]

Same 👌

[@CjplaysYT]

“I guess they’re really sticking with this timeline” 😂😂😭😭

[@Rekowcski]

I'm terrified for sims 5 calientes 😭

[@foodham3277]

Fun fact: the Sims 4 gallery bans "nig" so you can't have a Sim named nighat on the gallery because "nig" is in the name... that aside I dislike the refresh but for the total opposite reason to you. See I like Sims 4 being an AU because it means that all the stuff I hate about 4 doesn't effect the main Sims timeline. So this refresh annoys me because it screams "identity crisis" as EA tried to make these Sims more like how they are in main timeline and failed miserably imo. I think instead they really should've doubled down on the whole AU concept. Maybe Katrina is a step mom that their dad married before he died (in Sims 2 their parents died when they were young so it's very possible), leading to the twins having super different personalities and goals while their step mom is chasing after young gym bros. It fits the theme of Sims 4 being close to main timeline bit having some details off (like Bella not disappearing).

[@grazynawolska8160]

What if you're named Nigel 😢

[@Rekowcski]

Too bad you will be banned from the gallery for inappropriate language :( hahah Side note: I uploaded the family and her name appears to be okay...

[@foodham3277]

@@Rekowcski Ah I guess that's one thing they fixed. In 2017/8 (not sure which year) I tried to make some Strangtown Sims and at the time I noticed Nigmos wasn't allowed so I played around with the name and found nig was considered a bad word. Glad to see they did an actual improvement though that hasn't made me give up on Sims 4 any less lol.

[@foodham3277]

@@grazynawolska8160 turns out it's fixed according to Rekowcski's reply, so now the Nigel's of the world won't have to self censor on the gallery :D

[@egel7736]

⁠@@foodham3277I created Ophelia Nigmos in CAS yesterday as part of my base game save file refresh and I can’t upload her to the gallery :( Seems completely random as to what gets censored and banned and what not.

[@crystalmeier6579]

As soon as I saw your discord message I ran to watch. I think you did a fine job. Just those few little, but much needed to give them their true authentication did wonders considering what you had to work with so cheers! 🌟

[@Rekowcski]

I used to take my Sims 4 "fixes" soooo seriously haha

[@Mama.Macabre]

I like the changes made to their faces quite a bit, though I think Don looks kind of odd with his droopy eyes and huge square face. It's the outfits on the girls that kill me. I know the base game has basically no good options for anything, but I feel like they could have added something new in that would fit the girls' personalities better. Also, you would think that since the Sims team went in to edit the Sims and update their looks that they also would have finally added relationships to the family as well, but they didn't. The sims all barely know each other and none are romantically interested in each other. This was the laziest "refresh" ever

[@MikaelaCher]

Dina isn't giving gold digger femme fatalle anymore and i'm SO ANGRY like she's deffo better than before but still -

[@Rekowcski]

Better than the teenage millennial mixologist? Hahah my goodness. The update is definitely an improvement on Dina

[@nikodemospl870]

My sim got married to Katrina, and that's how I discovered that she has two daughters, lol

[@nervosims]

the gag is that nighat, in the sims 2, was dead. she wasn't even playable. they fully brought her back from the dead JUST to erase her heritage and whitewash her.

[@Rekowcski]

I KNOW hahahah, drives me nuts

[@CreoTan]

My one complaint is that their skin looks gray-but that’s more criticizing TS4’s skin tone options for neutral and cool toned skin than anything else. The neutral and cool tones only look good when they’re very pale or very dark-anything in the middle, like the new calientes and goths, looks gray and muddy. Plus I feel like warm toned skin just feels more fitting for the calientes anyways tbh

[@Qermaq]

12:03 I was so afraid of a camel toe and then I realized this is EA.

[@Rekowcski]

Im sure someone has made CT CC 😭

[@judialbert1349]

I like hearing about the different interpretations of the Caliente sisters. I never played the Sims 2, and it barely registered that they were in Barnacle Bay in Sims 3, but recently I've been watching a lot of lore videos, and I think my impression of them draws heavily on ZeeGee Simmer's Sunset Valley Machinima versions, which puts Dina as a serial grifter who marries for money then leaves her husbands, but is getting tired of the grift lifestyle and wants to find a nice guy and settle down. Meanwhile Nina is the brainier of the two and orchestrates the grifts behind the scenes. Nina wants to keep on with the grifting, so is a little upset with Dina when she falls for Michael Bachelor and turns over a new leaf. Most people are in agreement about Dina and her money-grubbing personality, but Nina seems less defined by the lore, and I see a variety of interpretations of her personality. I definitely agree that Dina should not be ambitious - although I think Sims 3 had her LTW as jack of all trades, which seemed really off to me considering the wide range of possible LTWs - like lap of luxury or swimming in cash, and of course gold-digger. I went to Barnacle Bay and "fixed" them and put them in my bin to add to other games.

[@Rekowcski]

I ALWAYS give Dina "gold digger" in the sims 3, it's perfect for her. And you're right, there is much more debate about Nina but I just always figured she is the one making sure the household gets everything done haha. Personality points in the sims 2 are more open-ended so it's hard to define exactly who she is.

[@lisa_g981]

Long comment, bear with me😆 First, I loved the video and your makeover! I just did a makeover myself of the Calientes and Don, trying to make them look as close to their original TS2 counterparts. I did however keep Nighat’s hair red because although she’s naturally blonde she appears with red hair in the Caliente family photos. So she probably dyed her hair like e.g. Kaylynn Langerak who’s also genetically blonde☺️ As for these new TS4 version I definitely like them better overall. Like, the original TS4 Dina and Nina looked like teenagers with the way they were dressed and gave me more ”cute and innocent” vibes rather than ”bad b!tch energy”. And don’t get me started on their personalities…they literally switched them, like no, Nina is NOT the lazy twin. I’m not really bothered with Katrina because she doesn’t exist to me anyway and I always replace her with my version of Nighat! As for Don I actually thought he was better before. He was okay if you just gave him a better beard and hair. Although more of a gym fboy, he still resembled Don to me. This new one though…he looks like he’s a middle aged man with 3 kids and drowning in child support… And they’re all so ashy looking :( I would’ve liked to see a more warm, tan skin like they originally have!

[@Rekowcski]

I have a Flamenco and Nighat household in the sims 3 with Nina and Dina as toddlers and they're my favourite household to add to a world

[@Rekowcski]

EA could have definitely done worse, but also could have done much better. Oh well, better luck in Sims 5 I guess haha

[@karenconnor6682]

Currently playing the Sims 3 😂 The sims 4 seems so bland and so not fun - my latest Sims 3 save is hilarious 😂

[@karenconnor6682]

I like your version of these characters better. They are closer to the iconic Sims 2 Caliente family 😊

[@noestestristecass]

Love your videos so much

[@Rekowcski]

She does look like a Landgraab!

[@AdamantGremlin]

Look. I don’t know a lot about make up. But that the eye make up on nina. Too bright. Barf Also it was such a weird plot point to bring the mom in. She was dead in 2. Someone said that nighat might trigger ea blacklist for certain words. I don’t know if it’s true… but I hope it’s a better explanation than being lazy

[@Rekowcski]

The Sims is trying to appeal to a young audience then they have a mother and her daughters all sleeping with the same man who lives in the shed.

[@AdamantGremlin]

@@Rekowcski I mean it’s weird enough two sisters sleep with the same guy. But did someone have too many five hour energies and go “you know what would be funny? Adding a mom.” They could have literally copy and pasted the relationships and families of sims 2, and I think most people would be ok with it.

[@dundee6402]

You should review every EA build in the Sims 4 while you're here 😈😈

[@Rekowcski]

Oh dear we would be in for a treat haha

[@Kikimora857]

So I actually don’t hate their looks at all. I think it’s a big improvement and much closer to the Sims 2 original versions but a little bit updated. What I’m not a fan of is how they decided to assign them traits and aspirations. Just, why 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Rekowcski]

Yes I didn't change anyone physically, except don. Sims 4 base game needs some new clothes though

[@Qermaq]

So glad you're growing as a person. :D Compared to the Sims 3 this looks like Superfriends meets Disney. Blech.

[@KittyBGaming]

Sims 1 - 3: the loveable favorite siblings Sims 4: The problem hated child Project Renee: The trash fire mistake XD

[@Rekowcski]

It's sad but true 😭

[@ДенисКолчев-щ4с]

Надеюсь однажды мы будем жить в мире, где The Sims создают люди, которые играют в The Sims. Пока кажется, что The Sims 4 дистанцируется от той истории, которая стоит за серией игры. I hope one day we'll live in the world where The Sims is made by people who play The Sims actually. So far, The Sims 4 seems to be distancing itself from the story behind the game series.

[@Rekowcski]

Hopefully things will be better in the future

[@F2PMegaGod]

Older video but i had to comment, that "just to be a pain in the butt, im gonna name her Caliente Al-Mahmoud" joke actually made me stop what i was doing and laugh, good one!

[@ViceCityExtra]

Honestly I wish they just picked a lore corrected version from some random simmer and thats it. All the relationships are usually fixed in those, as well as, the families that don’t make sense like a young Bella not being missing and a young Mortimer doesn’t make sense either. Mortimer would likely be dead 25 years after and Bella would be old AND possibly missing depending on what the lore would come up with. Same with Calientes… theyre too young and what the hell is Katrina.

[@anakincrywalker8904]

I agree that Nighat is the rightful Caliente matriarch, but I don’t hate the makeovers as much as you do lol. Dina’s pants aren’t the best but I actually think Nina’s outfit is really cute and I’m glad her face is no longer too small for her head.😂I don’t like Don’s face it’s giving me airhead gym bro more than suave Casanova. Also, I agree that the personalities are wrong. Dina’s laziness is what makes her low key iconic. As for them changing their eye color and giving them dark brows, I actually don’t mind because it brings out features of the Spanish / Arab ancestry and just makes it seem like they dyed their hair to be blonde / red. Overall I definitely think this is better than what we got originally.

[@Rekowcski]

I always wanted more of the Arabic to come through, so I'm happy about that. But not at the expense of lore, or alien ancestry 👽

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

This is the first time I saw the update and _YEUGH_ WHAT DID THEY DO? Edit: Still mad they didnt change the name back to Nighat Its not that hard!

[@Rekowcski]

Apparently that name triggers EA's censorship robot :|

[@hope_bear]

“Ewwww! Look at her!” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Rekowcski]

You got my honest reaction 😭

[@celestecv7452]

I just adore being in a community where differences are respected. I always felt Nina was prettier than Dina when I played them in Sims 2. And I would def given her the Serial Romantic aspiration as well. So I found it so funny just the way you said, "the original Nina was butt ugly! 😄😄😄

[@bowkatiewow]

They should have sims game changers or whatever they’re called now do the remakes of old sim families. At least they care more than ea does 😂

[@riqrimoli]

"evil erratic music lover" who is also a criminal.. me vibes

[@hopelessromantic3786]

I'm so disappointed that I decided to remake the whole thing again in the sims 3. To add drama, I decided Katrina is the aunt who took in Nina and Dina when Nighat "died" when they were kids. But in my game she didn't really die and Katrina only said that because she didn't want to give the girls back and she essentially tried to kidnap them before the girls found out and ran away back to their mom. So now there's a whole rivalry between Katrina and Nighat, and Katrina has two daughters in their teens named Mina and Lena who she pretends are twins and basically tries to turn into little versions of Nina and Dina.

[@StoryGirl83]

I appreciate you pointing out not only Nina and Dina’s mon’s name is Nighat, but also that she’s supposed to be genetically blonde. To be fair, in TS2 pictures she has redhair (and her genetically redheaded husband has brown hair in pictures), so presumably both she and Flamenco dyed their hair for some reason.

[@Rekowcski]

It was common in the 90s and early 2000s for blondes to dye their hair... Personally I've never seen the point 😂

[@StoryGirl83]

@@Rekowcski I wonder if that had anything to do with all the blonde jokes that were super common during that time. I never hear them any more, but in the 90s at least, they were everywhere. Personally, I never saw the point of dying hair either, but some people like it.

[@Rekowcski]

Omg the dumb blonde trope is so ridiculous. I have a degree in mathematics and I did it all without a brunette hair on my body 😭

[@StoryGirl83]

@@Rekowcski I don’t think any blond(e) I’ve known was dumb. My siblings were all blond(e) as kids, though they are brown haired now and some of my cousins are still blonde. My grandma was blonde until she died in her eighties (towhead as a kid) and she was a pretty smart lady. One of my blonde cousins told me a bunch of dumb blonde jokes. She said blondes heard them more than any one. I think the dumb blonde troupe was actually a valley girl troupe, which is not to say valley girl’s are dumb, because that’s not true either. There are people out there who lack common sense, which seems to be what that troupe was about, but it certainly has nothing to do with hair color and while it might have something to do with where you are raised, it might also be that the people who call someone lacking in common sense because they don’t get the common sense in one place would not survive in the environment of the very same person they are making fun of, because they don’t get the common sense there. Some common sense is universal. Some is not. Congrats on your math degree.

[@AlexisTwoLastNames]

think i’m gonna do my own makeover of these ladies. i like the sims 4 dina n nina, but they are def not my sims 2 dina n nina.

[@Bubsie_Bean]

I love the title lmao

[@glanni]

Lmao nice, I also give her brown eyebrows even in the Sims 2

[@randomlysammy9856]

Can you post a new link to your discord server?

[@Rekowcski]

discord.gg/AK6sqmt8

[@StoriesNStrategy]

"I'll try to keep the bitchiness to a minimum" 😂 Right. 😉 Made me laugh. You're one of a few people who can make me watch a sims4 video that is not a speedbuild. So with this video I've seen enough again for the next few months to know I'm sticking to the sims 2. 😄

[@Rekowcski]

Ok good I don't plan on making another sims 4 video for the next few months anyway haha

[@courtneyjaynex]

You are so real and I LOVE IT

[@Rekowcski]

Thank you haha

[@missbilbybadinage1199]

'Katrina' looks like a dude in TS4, Nina sort like a dude

[@Rekowcski]

I left out a problematic joke about her jawline requiring the custom pronouns 😭

[@egel7736]

The Sim gurus just don’t know how to do fashion lmao

[@Rockthenashtah]

As an Arab living in the Middle East I have never heard of anyone named nighat not in the gulf or Al sham

[@Rekowcski]

i met one nighat in university, but that's it

[@Rockthenashtah]

@@Rekowcski love ur vids, miss old gossip system of the sims they were so nasty back then

[@Rekowcski]

@@Rockthenashtah sims 2 gossip is ruthless! i mostply play sims 2 these days you can also get good drama from playing in starlight shores in the sims 3 since everyone hates each other already

[@Rockthenashtah]

@@Rekowcski sims 4 gossip be like “oh wow I heard you were friends with your brother that’s so cool!”

[@Rekowcski]

@@Rockthenashtah "hey you made friends with eliza pancakes, shes pretty cool!" - infant from the spencer-kim-lewis house

[@julia-nu4fj]

Like you said, the sims look fine but they still don’t look like the originals

[@Rekowcski]

I was shocked at how beautiful "Katrina"s face was, if only she passed down some genetics for the girls haha 😂

[@thevorp]

honestly i prefer new calientes over goths

[@Rekowcski]

New Bella is not pretty :(

[@Yee-h4f]

The sims4 version of Dina looks alright but I don’t like how Nina looks

[@davimachaado]

i love u lol

[@Rekowcski]

love u too x

[@youforget1000thingsaday]

I got downvoted to hell and back on Reddit because I pointed out how they destroyed the Calientes, lol. A good portion of Sims 4 fans are delusional. 😂

[@Rekowcski]

theyre all surprised that the new apartments will have loading screens, i mean WHAT DID U EXPECT? i think they did a surprisingly good job with the apartments, IF it works, it could be one of the best EPs

[@alkv7604]

I didn't even know Nighat name's was arabic! But i already hate ea even more...

[@patrickrobinson5806]

The sims 4 is still cool to me

[@Tevi_L7151]

it's cool actually, don't pay attention, everyone has their own tastes, the only problem with EA is that they are scamming money instead of making a game that many of us want to pay for. everyone has now forgotten a ton of hate for sims 3 when sims 4 wasn't out yet but was announced. I still play Sims 3, I haven't even touched Sims 4, I'm just sad that Sims 3 content is pretty scarce these days

[@mim9000]

I don't know why, I always thought it was pronounced Nigh-Hat? I need to go google her name. EA with this race washing is super ugly though. Ugh.

[@Rekowcski]

Knee-ghet and Knee-gaht are the only two I've ever heard

[@AwfulGlitter]

I was hoping you would make a video about this!😂 I kinda feel like the person that re did them may have no played The Sims 2 lol. Don looks so old and tired lol, I don’t get why they still didn’t change their aspirations and traits to be correct, or even their relationships. And not for nothing but their moms name isn’t correct either. I don’t know, I just don’t get it.

[@Rekowcski]

The person who made them probably wasn't born when the sims 2 came out 😭