The one thing I HATE about the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy (...where are the new ships?!)

I'm not a Star Wars Sequel hater, but the lack of new starfighters (and new direction) has me a little frustrated. I think Star Wars can be better, and I hope the Rise of Skywalker WILL BE better, so let's try not to let the comments devolve to a Disney Star Wars or The Last Jedi hate fest!
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[@JacobBite]

Having the seismic charges muted should be a crime

[@Dennis-vh8tz]

But it does accurately reflect how they'd sound in space.

[@justinc6257]

Until you realize that using "seismic" things in space makes no sense physically.

[@ShamanMcLamie]

@@justinc6257 Bringing real science into Star Wars should be a crime.

[@justinc6257]

@@ShamanMcLamie I mean adding a sense of realism tends to help with immersion. And those things tend to help with the whole "being a good movie" thing which the sequels haven't really done all that well.

[@ShamanMcLamie]

@@justinc6257 I was joking obviously because Star Wars clearly doesn't adhere to our rules of physics and science, but I do agree the Star Wars Universe does have it's own rules and laws and those in universe rules need to be respected which the Sequel Trilogy hasn't done.

[@DirectorBird]

I hated how they went with the "resistance" instead of the New Republic. There are other fleets than the Hosnian Defense Fleet. Lea should have been Grand Admiral of her own fleet.

[@DirectorBird]

@@saberiandream316 Federal Republic?

[@shadowslayer205]

@@DirectorBird ​ @Saberian Dream In legends the Galactic Federation (Which was also called the Federal Republic at times.) came after the New Republic was disbanded, so you're not far off.

[@aralornwolf3140]

Princes Leia Solo-Organa was never a fleet officer. She was a member of the strategy board/command staff of the Rebel Alliance. Her profession, prior to the destruction of Alderaan, was Imperial Diplomat. No where in the OT was it even hinted at that she was trained in ship combat let alone ship command. Therefore, she shouldn't have been given her own fleet. The only person I could see becoming a Grand Admiral, other than Akbar, would be Han Solo, if he takes the perquisite training in fleet doctrine and tactics. Even that is a bit of a stretch. I see Han Solo remaining a General in Republic Special Operation Forces... like the ones he commanded at Endor.

[@roguerifter9724]

In Legends Han did command a fleet in the New Republic navy for a while and I was hoping they would do something similar in the new canon but they killed any real chance of that hard and fast.

[@darykeng]

@@aralornwolf3140 Did we all forget about Lando?

[@JOSHCHIMICH]

Ironically, Rogue One had the best ‘’new’’ starship designs. The U-Wing looks new, while also looking like it fits with the era. And the Tie Striker reminded me a lot of the Tie Phantom, which is one of my favorite EU ships, and while they were used very little, they do look cool. I do wish the sequels had done more with their designs. Even in phantom menace, with the colorful and perfect ships, it has this, Star Wars feel, one that only George had the ability to feel and notice. I hope they create new things moving on, and that they really take advantage of the huge mythos in the future. Edit: I forgot to mention the planets, while the sequels have given us basically the same (snow planets, desert planets, forest planets) Rogue One gave us Jedha, that, while it is a desert, it’s way more rocky, and the city looks interesting and far different from tatooine, as well as Scarif of course, which is my favorite of the newest planets added.

[@tinobenfante7315]

In my opinion, Rogue One is the only new movie that perfectly captured that star wars essense that was present in the first 6 movies. Solo and TFA did it at times, and I did enjoy them but TLJ feels like it shouldn't even exist in all honesty.

[@jokerzwild00]

@@tinobenfante7315 completely agreed. I went in to R1 with the mindset that it didn't need to be made. We didn't need to know exactly how they got the Death Star plans. I was fully prepared to not like it. But I came out very impressed. It told a good story, had amazing cinematography and decent acting. It fit in well with the OT and didn't try to change too much as far as canon, just added to it. And it had some really cool easter eggs. I realize that it sounds like I'm kinda sucking it off... I actually did have some gripes with it and I don't think it's perfect. The ending was fucking killer though, and the rest was inoffensive compared to the new main series entries. It's my favorite out of the Disney SW films by a large margin.

[@S0HJIN]

Why does everyone credit George with everything inc. ship design? He just rubber-stamped things, he doesn't actually design the stuff.

[@jokerzwild00]

@@S0HJIN For the same reason any director/producer/franchise creator gets casual credit for smaller things in their universes. Because ultimately the buck stops with George. Saying that all he did was "rubber stamp things" is reductive and tries to make it seem as if he had little to do with actually creating assets for the movies he produced and directed. Even if he didn't personally draw the concept art for every single ship , alien or building in Star Wars, he oversaw the people who did and out of the many things that were put in front of him he chose only the ones that fit his vision. Besides, how do you know which ships he put a lot of input into? Obviously there were some that he spent more personal time on, but he could very well have spent time with the artists who made any ship.

[@KamepinUA]

EVEN TIE BRUTE IS BETTER GOD DAMNIT

[@rockym9981]

I think in general that the sequels are too focused on being nostalgic for fans of the original trilogy, rather than being original and new. The prequels had a lot of problems but the visuals and aesthetics were very original and creative!

[@theemperorofmankind8082]

I agree with you. If they want to get old fans back just remake the original movies. With no different stories just Better graphics

[@Jan_2000]

@@theemperorofmankind8082 tbh TFA was kinda a ANH remake with other characters

[@drewmur]

@Alejandro Feo Cecin Parts of it were original, except the young, Force sensitive orphan from the prior movie seeking out a reclusive master to train them, only to leave early to save their friends.

[@drewmur]

@@Jan_2000 7 borrowed heavily from 4, 8 borrowed a lot from 5 and 9 borrowed from 6. Say what you want about the prequels (they aren't my favorites), but at least they told an original story with a completely different story structure.

[@minicle426]

The Prequel's problems are frankly minute in comparison to the mess Disney made.

[@Fadaar]

I do like the First Order's Resurgent class but that's about it. Prequels were FAR FAR better at introducing new ships, IMO the Venator is the nicest looking ship in all of Star Wars.

[@andrewschmitt3284]

If I had to choose a ship to command in star wars, I'd take a venator. Doesn't matter if it needs to be overhauled with upgrades. I'd also make sure I had a wing of arc-170s on board because those things were cool.

[@radiumuppet]

yes it is very curvaceous

[@matiasluukkanen7718]

BJ You pronounce Lucrehulk wrong way.

[@christophersalinas2722]

Ngl Venator looks really nice

[@TimberwolfJ1]

Preach

[@nemdenemam9753]

Where are wars in the stars? Seriously, the last epic space battle was in Rogue One. And that was easily the best disney movie partially for that

[@Deridus]

The fact that it felt real, especially during the beach assault, was awesome. That they used Royal goddamn Marines only made it better.

[@kylestateler]

I didn’t want it, but I’ll be the first to say that I think Solo is the best Star Wars film under Disney. That said, Rogue One hands down has the best space battle.

[@Kolonol1]

But the story was not there...continuity seems to be a thing Disney struggles with ..

[@rodrigobogado8756]

@@Kolonol1 at least the story was better than in 7 and 8...

[@Dennis-vh8tz]

@@rodrigobogado8756 Now that's damning it with faint praise...

[@samuelfahrenholtz7580]

It bothers me that the new factions are so profoundly similar to the old factions but with new names. Why? Thanks for vid.

[@alexturlais8558]

Probably for legitimacy and nostalgia. The new republic was trying to be a rebirth of the republic, so used a similar name to convince star systems to join them and bring back the good old days

[@robertdullnig3625]

I think he means more "The Resistance" and "The First Order."

[@diestormlie]

Creative Cowardice.

[@gamestation2690]

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[@CaptainBones222]

@@alexturlais8558 It would have been much better of they called themselves the neo republic

[@CuppaTeaExe]

Let me put this into perspective: In the prequels, Jango Fett uses a bomb ,when fighting Obi Wan, that looks like it could take out an asteroid (Seen in this video) In the sequels, over 100 years later, we have “magnetic bombs” that are carried by slow moving bombers Where is the technological advance?

[@adude8216]

bro 100 years is really of. 40-50 years at best. 20 years between rots and anh, 20 between rotj and tfa

[@kraigisboss]

@@adude8216 But what happened to the bombs that Jango Fett why not use those instead it would even for movies be more appealing.

[@cadenfinch4813]

@@kraigisboss The bombs in the prequel that fett had were supposed to show the power of the mandalorians, a better comparison is the shielding between trilogies. The shields on the dreadnought were extremely powerful and the bombs were supposed to be planetary, so while the movie and creativity is terrible, the technology is clearly more advanced.

[@spartandud3]

Slave One was a powerful privately owned ship. The Empire on the other hand needed a giant military and so they had cheap dime-a-dozen ships.

[@mason3872]

There are technological advancements in the eu and in the ot and prequels then the sequels came about and they just redid everything we’ve already seen.

[@maximevandermersch2005]

One other thing I really dont like about the sequel trilogy is the fact that we get little to no big space battles and no capital ship combat. It feels like the galaxy in the new films has just completley run out of ships.

[@danielkorladis7869]

Agreed. That drove me nuts in TLJ. I was like "really? This is the entirety of the First Order fleet, and the entirety of the Resistance fleet? In the whole damn galaxy?"

[@miketovey7815]

There was no decent ground battles in the last jedi... And I feel an epic lightsaber duel was stolen from us.

[@whythatspreposterous]

Surely they really should have by now!

[@miketovey7815]

@@starlight4475 I know, one of the best light saber battles was the one with Obi Wan and qui gon vs maul. Anakin vs Obi Wan was good... I wish anakin's lightsaber went red. Though I reckon one of the best space battles was in rogue one. Or at least on par with return of the jedi.

[@robertmaniac]

@@miketovey7815 one of many reasons Rogue one is my favorite of the "Disney star wars films".

[@UGNAvalon]

OT: Giant Empire vs Ragtag Freedom Fighters PT: Two Grand Armies slugging it out ST: I would’ve loved to see a role reversal btwn a restored Republic Fleet vs a Guerrilla Imperial Remnant (maybe with mini-superlasers on hit-&-run star destroyers?) !

[@ian8477]

Yeah, a guerilla Imperial Remnant was basically everything that the EU did, wasn't it? The villains in hiding, like cockroaches, trying to rebuild the Empire, with the New Republic and New Jedi Order left to mop them up for the next few generations. Presumably... that's precisely the problem; the Empire becomes a terrorist organisation, and Disney isn't exactly comfortable with something like that, in light of everything in the real world. So, with no choice about skipping the time since ROTJ... they don't know how to pick up the story from there with anything other than the Big Bad succeeding in re-building the Empire. And then what happens? They lose to the good guys again. It's Disney, there isn't any other ending they'd go with but a "happily ever after"... because they don't know how to tell the "after" part.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@ian8477 well first there were major warlords who fought each other as much as the republic and yoy had massive fleet battles.

[@dexaphobia8085]

That’d actually be subversive and you can’t have that with rian Johnson

[@dr.boring7022]

Alot like Star Wars: The Old Republic. The Empire could return and attack the New Republic.

[@JRGines]

Wasn't Thrawn's Imperial Faction in the EU a kind of Guerrilla Imperial Remnant?

[@LieutenantSilver]

It's just so frustrating to see the artists introduce fantastic concept art that carries the franchise forwards and the suits just block all those proposals. Then reviewers say said franchise were creatively bankrupt or the parent company. *Never forget: the suits are creatively bankrupt, not the artists!*

[@S0HJIN]

Absolutely! The artists in every trilogy have been incredible. It's the people writing and green-lighting things that need to lift their game. And people keep on crediting the director for all the designs past and present.

[@ParaSpite]

Who actually said that the artists were creatively bankrupt? The way I see it, the _project_ (the finished movie) is called creatively bankrupt, and you can't honestly deny that that's true, even if there's plenty of genuinely talented people working on the movie that want to make it creative, imaginative, and, you know, _good._

[@georgecostanza712]

J.J. Rehash and Rian Johnson are absolutely creatively bankrupt.

[@ParaSpite]

@@georgecostanza712 J. J. Abrams is creatively bankrupt. Ruin Johnson is actively at war with the concept of creativity, trying really hard to completely wipe it off the face of the universe.

[@splat-trainproductions]

@@ParaSpite Knives Out & Glass Onion come out: You were saying?

[@Draxynnic]

It's something I was commenting on right after seeing TFA: Clone Wars era: The Y-Wing is the hottest new light bomber available to the Republic Navy. Original Series Era: Twenty years later, the Y-Wing is the only Clone Wars fighter still seeing widespread frontline service, and that because the Rebel Alliance doesn't have anything better in sufficient numbers to replace it. Tends to rely on newer X-Wings and A-Wings to protect it against increasingly more capable TIEs. Sequel Era: Thirty years later, we have a more streamlined X-Wing! And the First Order has gone back to the hexagonal-winged TIEs despite that configuration being in the process of being replaced by TIE Interceptors and other dagger-winged designs at the time of RotJ! 'Twas a bit of a disappointment, to say the least. I'm not all that fond of the E-Wing personally (to me, visually it looks like a more primitive fighter than the X- and A- and feels like it's just "better" due to writer fiat: it'd probably look at home among the Clone Wars designs, not as something that's a generation beyond the X-wing and legends A-wing) but at least the Expanded Universe contributor who came up with it tried...

[@KABZProductions]

Don’t forget they’re bringing back y wings for rise of skywalker for some reason

[@sandman8496]

@@KABZProductions where were they during eight lol.

[@spartandud3]

Also the Clone Wars Y-Wing and the Rebel Y-Wing are visually distinctive from one another.

[@doofkos]

You forgot that the TIE fighters now have white solar panels. Someone in the empire must have outwitted physics or it is sabotage.

[@347Jimmy]

I love the contrast between the shiny CW era Y-wing, with its slick fairings, vs the stripped-down, easy maintenance Rebel version

[@crgkevin6542]

So, I guess you could say the new Y-Wing is really a Why-Wing! I'll leave now...

[@DerFinder]

oof xD

[@calebcustombricks2631]

Ba dum tsss

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

Ec Henry did a MK II y-wing.

[@vereinigtekonigreicheoster35]

No no stay your right

[@Rainbowhawk1993]

What I really wanted was a fleet of New Republic Capital ships that are on par with the Old Republic fleets and have them do Battle with the First Order Star Destroyers.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Rainbowhawk1993 right? Clone wars style warfare with new republic ships vs First Order. The wasted potential is so infuriating.

[@Stego1819]

@@neofulcrum5013 They could have made a TV series like the original clone wars as well then.

[@merrickgiles3824]

I agree but there was the star hawk which we haven’t seen in movie

[@ShamanMcLamie]

I feel like they should have held off on shooting Starkiller. Have both the First Order and Resistance show up at Takodana at the same time. Have the Resistance fight valiantly, but losing. Then the Republic Fleet shows up and beats the First Order back. This justifies the First Order using Starkiller and when Starkiller Destroys Hosnian Prime and the Republic Fleet it really lays home the gravity of what was done. The audience actually had a connection with and understand the importance of what was destroyed instead of it just being a bunch of random planets that get blown up.

[@JACCO20082012]

@@ShamanMcLamie or they could've just not rehashed the original at all and never made Starkiller a thing in the first place.

[@hunterkiller1440]

We saw the new ships. Tie Silencer that is op and Rssistance bombers that break like paper airplanes when you look at them.

[@GeorgeCowsert]

Basically everything about the sequels just screams "lazy writing and designing." No true thought put into the story, no true effort put into ship design, and no expansions to the lore.

[@danballe]

Add no proper planning or thinking things through to provide cohesion!

[@minicle426]

It's all about trying to ride off nostalgia.🤷‍♂️

[@BP-dn9nv]

Part of that's the fault of Disney rushing into the trilogy without a roadmap, part of that's because JJ Abrams has the creativity of a doorknob.

[@splat-trainproductions]

@@BP-dn9nv He's the same guy who ruined the USS Enterprise, of course the designs aren't gonna be good.

[@TheQuestCrafter]

One of my favorite parts about Star Wars is the Space Opera aspect. And while the sequels have had some space battles like the attack on Starkiller base or the Mandator. There has been nothing quite to the scale of the Battle of Scarif or the Battle of Endor. I just want more space battles in my space fantasy.

[@nox5555]

they should have gone all out. scale the shit up a stage or two and go for the LOTGH scale. also they should have taken alot of plot ideas from that anime.

[@absalomdraconis]

@@nox5555 : _That_ problem was essentially that TLJ had an anthology film script, but got made as a main-line film.

[@markvicferrer]

Tony Stark had a new Iron Man suit in nearly every appearance in the MCU. In earth terms, fighter jets get revamped to keep them in fighting shape but inevitably get replaced at some point. Ywings were old in the original trilogy, but would be ancient at this point in the sequel trilogy. And the Xwing is old enough that replacements should be if not in the testing phase, be in the planning stage.

[@BlackXIV]

Leopard 2 tanks are first build 1979... M1A2 Abrahams Tanks are from 1980... B-52 are from 1950.. M16 are from 1967.. F-18 are from 1978... and I could tell you houndrets more ... so even on eart 30 years is nothing... and now think about a Sci Fi universe where you can upgrade much more.. there will be new ships, yes.. but not a total change every 30 years. Also look at States like Irak.. or Iran.. or Afrika.. there the military often uses technology from the 50. and 60. years. And it is still enough. (as long as you don´t fight the US or some other superpower)

[@Stego1819]

@@BlackXIV There was no big war since the 1950s though. In the first and second ww tech advanced massively and if my goal is to attack someone I surely would come up with a new design instead of the same old garbage TIE fighters.

[@BlackXIV]

@@Stego1819 1. That are new TIE fighters... faster.. better weapons.. and they have schilds and hyperdrive.. and 2. They won with them against the new repuplic!

[@Stego1819]

@@BlackXIV I mean a different design. If u are able to put better weapons on something u need to make it bigger or sth. To make it faster you need to change the design. They never beat the New Republic in direct combat before episode 7 either.

[@rodrigobogado8756]

@@BlackXIV how can they defeat the New Republic if it basicaly don't exist in the secuel trilogy?

[@Warmaka]

Auto subtitles: Hey guys this is Eckhart slaughter...

[@DT-Wise]

Beautiful

[@literallyadorito8197]

Today im gonna show you how to filet a cow

[@crimson1million]

@Jose Rivera they’re like animals, he slaughtered them like animals!

[@KingOCake]

Having the first order take a pointy, triangular style would have been cool. Having the TIE Dagger as the stock fighter would have helped to distinguish the First Order

[@Reyma777]

I hate the general lack of creativity and original ideas in the sequel trilogy.

[@Halo_Legend]

And the fact that they did it on purpose because of "fans'" backlash (hate) for the prequels

[@Halo_Legend]

Some fucking boomers came and said "this is not my star wars, my star wars were only the 3 movies I watched when I was still able to take in new ideas! Expanded universe what? Divercity in storytelling what? I peed my pants!" Smh

[@benmoreno5882]

@Palpatine McSenateFace seriously and even those movies had some shit wrong with them only reson i can think of why the were re-released a few times over

[@imskeletoryouboobs8009]

@@benmoreno5882 those movies were rereleased cause they were a cash grab that ppl wanted to pay for.

[@gravemindpenis]

What about crait or how Luke acted on his temptation by the dark side, or that the leader of the antagonist faction is a wild card and is hated by the people he leads

[@marineduard6901]

In general legends made both the empire and especially the galaxy and the new republic just amazing and big and powerfull. The sequels feel like a sandbox fight..shit length and depth and just fells underwhelming. First order is just a bunch of fuck ups with incompetence and the republic is still a splinter faction for some fucking reason and still dominated by plot armor. In legends the new republic had countless backup fleets and became a true force after endor and the empire still kicked and took names and weren't complete losers

[@paulomr445]

Dis-canon writers never really seem to grasp how big a planet, let alone a galaxy is so everything just feels smal and contained. Star Wars has always had a problem with scale but it's exceptional bad now.

[@user-Jay178]

That is true and like its is all so close together and we all know the first order will lose right.

[@marineduard6901]

@@user-Jay178 indeed. In legends , the rebels did win a lot but there was also a lot of times when the empire won, kicked ass and took names and showed it's an empire. The thrawn arc, dark empire and other arcs rly show the empire as competent and real powerfull. Not to mention the imperial remnant and the paleon faction wich is far superior. With the first order, no matter how much they have at their disposal either they will die from immense plot armor or die by their own incompetence and sheer stupidity. I hate it

[@marineduard6901]

@@paulomr445 indeed. At least before especially in legends , the war against the vong , or the dark empire felt big and in depth with both political and military backgrounds. In cannon, is just the same ol shit but worse

[@BlyUehara37]

I miss politics in Star Wars even the OT had politics i dont understand why Disney thinks politics are boring that was one of the best part of the Prequels

[@Ian-hi5vz]

It made the movies feel a little more realistic

[@Arcaryon]

The prequels had a really good idea for a movie - even though the execution wasn't great but they had character. A gigantic trade cooperation trying to succeed from an equally gigantic galactical republic in a clash instigated by the sith to regain control over the galaxy - all before the backdrop of two of the most beloved characters of the OT, Anakian Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi - thats what made the third so great and even the first one had its moments ( though its definitely the weakest out of the prequels ). And then the sequels basically scratch all of these ideas for what, a bit of drama that really just tried to force a message in the weirdest possible way? So much wasted potential. Hopefully, 9 ends up flashing us all.

[@jirdan4870]

I feel sequels seem to tell you a political message rather than let you watch the politics unfold. That is honestly a shame

[@SniffHeinkel]

Have you not seen all the critique videos online that say the politics was one of the most boring aspects of the Prequels?

[@SlavGod47]

I actually enjoy the political aspect of SW almost as much as the military aspect. Makes it feel more realistic and relatable. Like in TCW when the Republic and Separatists were about to negotiate an end to the war but a terrorist attack draws them back at it again. I found it sort of relatable to our own history; people staging attacks to spur the violence they seek

[@averyhill1084]

When the seismic charges are muted so you make the sounds yourself...

[@ItsMartinez141]

*inhale* bwaaannngggg

[@annoyinggaster]

ItsMartinez141 *scared space Jesus noises*

[@ChkthDeats]

Y'know, I feel the same way about the aliens in the sequel trilogy. Its time cool looking characters stop being allocated to background props and be actually protagonists. For example, Benthic Two-Tubes is compelling within the comics because he was given a chance to chew the scenes, so to speak.

[@lba_e_ross2152]

You see the floating gas butt alien on Canto Bite? All of the aliens in the ST are lame

[@neofulcrum5013]

Deatle's Teakettles i agree

[@aliceinthewired]

Disney is more interested in having women and POC in those prominent positions. They could give a fuck about having a Twi'lek as a main character of a movie.

[@billclark5055]

I want to see new aliens but also more of the classic races. Where are the Kel Dor, Umbarans, Trandoshans, Rodians, Twileks, Iridorians, Echanti, Noghri, Hutts, Mon Calamari, Bothans, Gran, Duros, and Weequay in the Sequel trilogy.

[@goodmind4940]

@@aliceinthewired but twi'lek can be woman, and they're definitely people of color haha, green, red

[@gabrieljett9833]

One of the more interesting things about the prequals was actually being in the populated, centers of civilization. Up until that point the original trilogy only had us on the fringes. We saw Tatooine and Yavin, Hoth, Dagoba and Cloud city, then Tatooine again and another wilderness. It wasn't until Naboo and certain city planets that we actually the places where things happened. What the rebellion was fighting to free in the first place. What does the sequels have? Canto Bites? (yes, that place bites)

[@lazerax9]

Those planets that got blown up in TFA looked fairly populated. But we only saw those for a few seconds

[@catoblepasomega]

IMO, they should have taken advantage of the Resistance status of being outside of the New Republic and had them flying some of the 'Scum' associated ships like Cloakshapes and Z-95s etc instead of just new versions of Rebel Alliance ships. Maybe bring those out in the second or third movie when the FO and NR come to proper blows.

[@sethb3090]

SoroSuub Preybirds!

[@metanumia]

I agree, the background plot of the sequel trilogy should have been about a roughly equal-strength New Republic vs. First Order all-out war like you stated.

[@Deathmare235]

First Order should be weaker but with Thrawn still in charge

[@Deathmare235]

The resistance could be made to perform sabotage on the first order before the official war

[@luxy9530]

Honestly one of the best things to come out of this trilogy are the Resurgent-class and Supremacy. I love those ships. But yeah starfighters are lacking :P

[@bargainbin6162]

Luxy Supremacy should probably copy the Infinity and deploy some frigates.

[@irgendsoeintyp6137]

Or New Republic ships, like Starhawks or Mon Calamari ships

[@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser]

Thanks a lot! Wish I could fight other ships.

[@smokybear4204]

@@irgendsoeintyp6137 I would love too see new Mon Cal ships

[@jakedempsey3809]

@@bargainbin6162 it does has the docks for the Resurgents on the back so I guess technically it can do something similar

[@AncestorEmpire1]

The Star wars sequels in a nutshell: Nostalgia to sell tickets, and destroying Nostalgia to set narratives

[@ShamanMcLamie]

This strategy is what is killing toy sales in my opinion. What cool new ship, alien, character, or Droid design are kids going to want from this trilogy. I can think of a dozen background characters from the Prequels that a kid would take over any of the Sequels main characters.

[@joelferguson9324]

Exactly!

[@Pandapeep]

@@ShamanMcLamie It isn't though. They're sell toys hand over fist.

[@TehAntares]

Maybe it's time to find or make a new sci-fi saga ...

[@AncestorEmpire1]

gheddi there’s actually a place in the SW saga timeline where Disney could work and no one would complain that much. But it would have to be darker than the eclipse episode of berserk.

[@tyslack7292]

I heartily agree, I wasn't too happy with the plot line being the exact same as OT but the rebellion has blue blasters and wedge is now poe vs the empire but the death star is just illum. And let's be honest, crait is just hoth but red underneath and the literally evacuated because of atats but actually not. But this could have all been over looked if I could still get the same sense of wonder as in the other six, but no. Even the Jedi is an orphan on a desert planet looking at the stars wondering who their parent are, but surprise surprise he is the sith lord

[@falkenlaser]

I wish the First Order has the TIE Defender

[@danthaden1165]

I would love to see E-wings and K-wings on the screen. And for the first order something like the Defender or the Howlrunner

[@die1mayer]

and Star Wings/gun boats, Missile boats, A-9 Interceptor, TIE/D droids, TIE Phantoms, etc. etc. so many missed opportunities You could still have Wedge Antilles and Rogue Squadron with their old X-Wings appear on the battlefield for nostalgic value.

[@radiumuppet]

k wings shouldnt exist lol having a quad turbolaser on a starfighter the same size as a lambda

[@jamesleduke873]

I think the E-Wing was re-canonized, but I don't know if it's meant to be the same as the legends (ie real) version.

[@radiumuppet]

@James Famber there are multiple gunboats so name which one

[@SrMissileMonkey]

or ffs give them TIE Hunters, yeah its an X-wing knock off but it would show that Sienar Jaemus, is *learning* from the past and learning from their competitors, using their TIE design with some of the best parts of their rivals over at Incom/Frytek and what made the X-wing superior to their own designs for so long.

[@qliphalpuzzle5453]

Yeah I really wanted some actual alien environments in the movies like felucia. Welp the lack of creativity killed my excitement for SW

[@jacktheflash8478]

Crait and canto bight are pretty unique

[@greatbeans2889]

Jack Theflash Crait was cool and unique I’ll admit but Canto Bight didn’t even look like it belonged in SW.

[@jacktheflash8478]

Great Beans28 yes it did

[@Drowsyspace128]

*Talks about how the new trilogy doesnt have new ships TROS: literally just has hundreds of ISDs but bigger

[@literallyadorito8197]

When mommy says you’ll be such a good movie director

[@deadshot5007]

Bitch literally tros created over 50 new ship designs for the battle of Exegol. I love how you haters cherry pick things for your agenda

[@deadshot5007]

@@frankkennedy7618 So? You guys wanted new ship designs and here you have it and it makes the fleet have depth.

[@luketriscari8046]

@@deadshot5007 bro that fleet was copy and paste, it was a civilian fleet. You’d expect a more militaristic looking fleet maybe with better mon cala ships, nebula Star destroyers, b frigates etc

[@deadshot5007]

@@luketriscari8046 It literally wasn't copy paste

[@lowhyde2693]

New is hard when your banking on nostalgia.

[@blaineishere3851]

I don’t care much about that kind of thing. What really bothers me is that my interpretation of the saga Lucas created was trampled for a far less interesting narrative. It’s all just retread. I don’t even hate these movies, but they’re honestly really dull in a lot of ways. Some good characters at least.

[@dianavespid937]

Blaine Hoover the boring uninspired sequel ship designs are a direct consequence of that.

[@Dark_Fusion19]

@@ericp1139 The First Order are just the remains of the Empire who fled into the Unknown Regions, and the Resistance was formed by Leia, because she was frustrated that the New Republic wasn't acting fast enough with the First Order.

[@shorewall]

@@Dark_Fusion19 That would have been better movies than what we got.

[@Dark_Fusion19]

@@shorewall The thing that bothers me the most, is you have to read the novels to get that information. Since not everyone reads the current EU, people are at a disadvantage, since they don't know the why or how to things, and so don't care when things happen in the movies.

[@batman6621]

Dark Fusion19 but why wouldn’t the new republic not act fast enough with the first order. The new republic was literally the rebel alliance made to destroy the empire. And when basically a new empire comes along they don’t do anything. It’s like occupation forces in Germany after ww2 not doing anything about thousands of pro nazis arming themselves to overthrow the government.

[@toastedzen]

"I care." - Luke Skywalker

[@rubeng370]

The moment the 1st trailer for Force Awakens was revealed, and I saw the X-wing and Tie Fighter, I knew that something was wrong and it was true... all of it

[@ethanglover8244]

new star wars movies: **exist** EckartsLadder: new ships! new star wars movies: i'm about to end this man's whole career

[@CG172375]

They wrote themselves into a corner by making the setting deliberately lacking a drive to progress. The New Republic is a laid back passive society when it comes to the military so they would sensibly just update what they began with instead of particularly going for a new exciting design, whereas the First Order is a remnant of the Empire that longs for their glory days so even they would lean on the Nostalgia factor to give themselves some "legitimacy". They are not factions written to be innovative. A missed opportunity is the Resistance using New Republic hand me downs, where they could have been more creative and used designs from fleets of member worlds like say, Mandalore or Corellia. One could imagine that in the lore, with the members of the New Republic having to fend for themselves given that the galactic government is saying they should just defend themselves, ship designs would vary wildly because all the separate cultures and races would make ships that fit their needs.

[@sethb3090]

Honestly though, even a relatively passive New Republic should be getting new ship (or at least starfighter) designs. One of the biggest changes strategically from our world to the Star Wars galaxy is the way unit costs work. In our world, developing a new fighter is a hugely expensive endeavor, made worse by the fact that there could very well be less than a thousand (or less than 100, or even less than that) ever built. However, when you scale things to a galactic government, a few things change. First is the sheer scale of things. Let's be conservative and assume that there are only 1000 planets of note. Each of these 1000 planets has, say, twice the resources of a current Earth superpower. That's 2000x the resources available, or in other words, the relative cost to the society to develop a new starfighter is 2000x less. It's still a lot for the company designing it, yes, but it's not like a new starfighter is going to balloon the NR's military budget. Second, having a full galaxy means that as long as your starfighter is good, it's going to get purchased enough to make the design worthwhile-you can probably count on selling between 2,000 to 10,000 (if the government buys it, maybe even up to a million or more). An advanced design is generally going to be worth the initial investment of developing it, and reliably building more than 2,000 starfighters of a design means unit costs for the program will be far lower than the current average on our world. Also note the "if the government buys it." Unlike our world, Star Wars companies aren't necessarily dependent on government contracts for things smaller than capital ships. Private owners buy starships all the time, and most planetary governments want some kind of local defense fleet independent of the galactic government, ESPECIALLY when the galactic government doesn't seem to be putting much priority on defense. 50 planets buying 100 of your starfighter each puts you at 5,000 sold, and again, that's probably a conservative estimate. Sorry to toss a novel out here, I just got thinking.

[@morbotheturtle3796]

Was there any audio for the seismic charges or did my brain add that in?

[@ocularzombie6679]

Obi-Wan: I sense it too!

[@MoonLight-zj8iu]

You're brain knows the universal truth. The truth of the seismic charge

[@ocularzombie6679]

@@MoonLight-zj8iu our*

[@davidgallagher28]

Jangos seismic charges from slave I did in AotC

[@supersplat]

I think it would have been far more interesting to have the resistance start with this episode 9 fleet, all the familiar ships are there but upgraded like they are, but they're the same ships because the galaxy was at relative peace and the first order hadn't revealed itself yet. *Then* have the first order show up with upgraded tie models, like x-wing vs tie fighter levels of experimental fighters, and then episode 8 be a mad scramble for the resistance/ new republic to reimagine their own ships to stand a chance

[@vashstampede8464]

Total agreement here. I'm all about the space battles and ship designs. Star wars has a whole Galaxy full of ships and planets that build them. So I'd take a step further and wonder why there isn't more factions. It is said that even though there is the new republic fleet sectors and systems can have there own which is partly why we have the first order. So much potential wasted.

[@schlawa]

What would have been even more interesting would have been the "Empire" aka the First Order beeing the outnumbered remnants using guerilla tactics and the Rebel Alliance having to defend their vast territory, a sort of reverse roles. Like in the Timothy Zahn novels.

[@batman6621]

schlawa this is what I’ve been thinking too. It would be like space Vietnam

[@colonial210]

schlawa the problem is that the disney writers of star wars view themselves as social revolutionaries. They can never recognize their own sovereignty and thus the good guys are always revolutionaries which is a distortion of the reality from the OT.

[@denisl2760]

@@colonial210 Yep. Pretty clear that first and foremost they focused on the political messaging, the actual story was secondary.

[@MrDrProfessor4]

George Lucas: "There's nothing new here"

[@ankelaostheweird905]

He said that?

[@RandyAndyShow]

@@ankelaostheweird905 yep

[@ankelaostheweird905]

@@RandyAndyShow Wow. Well it's very true.

[@reddeaddude2187]

Also George: It's supposed to rhyme, I didn't say plagiarize all my damn work!

[@sandman8496]

@Holden McGroin I don't know, he kind of made all the movies that built the franchise.

[@aromardu]

I thought they were kidding when they rolled out a Y-wing, ANOTHER TIE/ln fighter and then a TIE/LN interceptor for TROS.

[@arandomzoomer4837]

5:55 Disney: Sell more toys you say? Well, from now on we're gonna get as creative as possible with our spaceships.

[@obitwokenobi9808]

Yeah, right...

[@arandomzoomer4837]

@@obitwokenobi9808 I feel like that's the only way to get them to do that.

[@annoyinggaster]

The IT guy probably

[@abohachuk4765]

Rogue One got this right with U-Wing, MC-75, new TIEs and perhaps Hammerhead!

[@jawwer12]

The mc75 is giving me borderline knockoff vibes when compared to the dauntless heavy cruiser. And the design of the hammerhead dates back all the way to KOTOR

[@peskymacaw9033]

Dude, the hammerhead is from KOTOR

[@1Loftwing1]

Chops Aguilar ikkkkkk lmao

[@abohachuk4765]

Yes, dudes, Hammerhead is from KotOR. This particular model is from Rebels, to be exact. But are there many people who know that? Have we seen Hammerhead in any film? In any case, does any of that change my statement radically? I mean, Rogue One is settled right before ANH, so it wasn't even necessary to design new ships. But lol, it has more new ships than sequel trilogy which takes place 30 years after Original Trilogy.

[@peskymacaw9033]

@@abohachuk4765 Haha, take it easy, kiddo; they're just movies.

[@goncaloproa840]

Nailed it on the head. This trilogy feels less like star wars and more like a star wars cover band.

[@bearatdusk8013]

Haha oh man, it hurts how true this is

[@pilotwhaleproductions5880]

Its like a parody of itself

[@whitecreamymilk8436]

@@MichaelM28 yea atleast the prequels are watchable, unlike your garbage. I dont think any of the prequels lost money. Unlike solo.

[@nathanjora7627]

Michael McGrath Except the OC never talked about the prequels, you’re objectively wrong considering that the prequels were made by the creator of SW, so he should know better what feels and what doesn’t feel SW, and even if it had been done by someone else, the prequels are far more respectful of what SW is and is about, than the sequels.

[@nathanjora7627]

GreatYeetForward69 Nor even that terrible of a script. I mean, sure, there are cringy moments, but most of it is just fine. Not that it couldn’t have been better, but still.

[@roryokane5907]

Before 10:40: WHERE ARE THE B WINGS After: OH THANK GOD

[@alexhunt7810]

I kind of agree, but that moment of the X-wings coming in at treetop made me stand up and whoop in the cinema when I saw it first - and I wasn't the only one.

[@minicle426]

Empty fanservice. 🤷‍♂️

[@alexhunt7810]

@@minicle426 Yes.

[@scorch___]

"Tactically the Resistance bombers are pretty questionable...." Questionable is fancy word for terrible/useless/nonsensical/etc. I'd like to see more creativity, but one that goes hand in hand with logic and in-universe usefulness.

[@Halo_Legend]

Aren't they supposed to be bunker busters? With all of their bombs... Or was it the Ninka ship?

[@mannen659]

The resistance bombers reminded me the Zeppelin bomber. :D You know, on small spark and the whole thing goes in flame.

[@FlipDarkFuture]

@@Halo_Legend They're both ships intended for planetary assaults, and were essentially all the Resistance had access to.

[@scorch___]

@@FlipDarkFuture What happened to Y-wings?

[@tempest_0722]

@@FlipDarkFuture It still doesn't exucuse their terrible design. A CR90 modified to hold the payload of 2 of these bombers would be still faster and more resilient than these abominations.

[@CabooseSP]

Nah, this is a fair complaint and one I share, compounded by the fact that Rogue One and Solo and Canon material and ESPECIALLY Resistance don't have this problem, so it's almost obviously a choice to stick to OT faithfulness. Which, if it weren't for the excellent filmmaking present, would have been a huge sore point for me.

[@diddlypoop]

Shame the sequels don't have excellent filmmaking.

[@CabooseSP]

@@diddlypoop 🙄

[@diddlypoop]

@@CabooseSP No, seriously, it stole all of its major and some of its minor plot points from A New Hope, Star Wars is all about creativity and they failed in even that. Not going to go on about how Rey is a Mary Sue, because in some respects she isn't and in a lot she is, but that point's been made many times by many people. If you like the Sequels that's your opinion but I'll stick to the prequels.

[@marvalice3455]

From an effects standpoint they are impressive, but this is Disney. I'm not going to give then cookie for giving shiny lights, I expect better from them.

[@CabooseSP]

@@diddlypoop I don't understand how you took my reply as an invitation to elaborate on Yet Another Sequels Hot Take???

[@Shredow2]

Little did he know, the lack of new starships would be the least of RoS's problems.

[@tentman9331]

They could have added z-95s to show how the resistance lacks in supplies

[@theemperorofmankind8082]

That just show how weak the resistance are and I don't think they could make a faction even more pethathic then it already is

[@tentman9331]

Fair point

[@thealexgundam5006]

@@theemperorofmankind8082 Lmao

[@kieranmorris7315]

Meanwhile in Star Trek: You get a new ship! You get a new ship! YOU ALL GET NEW SHIPS!

[@Leopardts]

And they all look like flying dinner plates with bottles stuck on the back xD

[@LazarusRemains]

Pity the Klingon designs are so awful in DSC.... basically the opposite problem :)

[@Appletank8]

the dinner plate thing was because Roddenberry wanted to create spaceships that weren’t all tubes at the time, and give Star Trek a obvious unique aspect.

[@kaiserschmarx122]

Is this a Oversimplified reference?

[@kazekamiha]

@@kaiserschmarx122 It's an Oprea reference.

[@nickb2049]

everything you said is 100% how I feel. glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[@Ian-hi5vz]

Most star wars fans agree with you

[@stardudeproductions2692]

If I made star wars I would have a main character drive something like a U wing or something like that

[@falleneldor]

From a story POV, I can understand a nostalgic "new order" being enthusiastic for retro designs. Had it been better explained on film, Leia's resistance wasn't all that well funded. The Resistance was left with Rebellion era surplus, being a rag tag order there wasn't much other then some left over A and X wings. They don't really talk about any of that, and TLJ even contradicts it with Rose's line about the war profiteers funding both sides. So it especially makes no sense that the Resistance is as ill equipped as it is. This is why I really hope any new movies would be thousands of years in the past or future to force a new era of designs.

[@darykeng]

Well, for FO can be added that they use assets of Empire carefully hided and prepared by Palpatin and idk that else can be hided in Unknown regions (besides Snoke)

[@arstotzkanatthedmz4486]

Disney seems to be allergic to space ships >:[

[@WwZa7]

They gave you bombers that can obliterate entire dreadnought, and people say that shitty Y-wings were better. Here is your answer.

[@gromzi7384]

@@WwZa7 bruh

[@yagdtigercommander]

@@WwZa7 Well its a yes and no thing.Y-wings or more like tactical bombers used on specific targets or work better on moving targets. They aren't heavily armoured but enough to get to were they need to however that being said its not enough to with stand tie fighter laser cannons. But having a defensive turret does help to. Y wings are good for precision and close ground support roles. Y wings are like fighter bombers aka P47 thunderbolts from WW2. allowing for a versatile plat form. Also the fortress bombers again are good concept and work well against static targets like that orbiting Mandator dreadnought. However they lack sufficient fighter escort and suffered heavy losses due to defending enemy fighters. However I would use these Bombers Planet side to saturate enemy defenses and production infrastructure while having a lot of fighter escorts. Honestly it was pure luck and the incompetence of the Dreadnought crew to defend themselves sufficiently from enemy attack. As all the bombers were destroyed and it was costly risk and even mistake by commander Dameron according to General Leia. So neither design is shit what makes them shit is poor implementation of such assests. Yes Y wings are more vulnerable do to less armour. However they need less fighter escorts freeing up other x wings to go engage the enemy fighters directly on their terms. Well the Y -wing is faster and more agile than the fortress bombers so they can evade enemy fire easier. However not the same level of dog fighting that X wings can do but enough to frustrate any would be tailing bogies and could use that to their advantage. On a return run or Sortie run as the Y -wing pilots can bait the enemy fighters into an X wing ambush. Either destroying the enemy fighter or force them to dogfight themselves or retreat. The best the Fortress Bombers could do is move lazily to the right or left or do a slow U turn not much options. However they can rely on there sturdy armour and numerous defensive laser cannons. Along with a large fighter escort would make for tough targets to bring down with layered defenses from other bombers screening each other to x wings dog fighting enemy fighters. Also more bombs makes it easier for destroying large or armoured and some times both that are stationary will provide effective means of destroying the enemies means to wag war against you. personally I prefer Y-wings for ant- capital ship roles as they can target specific hard points that could cripple an enemy capital ship once disabled or destroyed in combat. Where as Fortress Bombers I would use to saturate the enemies industrial ability. Lol I don't mean to sound like I am lecturing you I am sure you know this stuff. But people hate on star wars ships because they have only seen some implemented in combat incorrectly not allowing for such ships to utilize their strengths properly. Lol and enough of my ranting . But this mainly to others who may not know about these details. So I agree that the Fortress Bomber is a cool and effective ship in its own right. But the Y- wing isn't shit or at least when used as intended lol.

[@jacktheflash8478]

Furebel the fuck did you say about y-wings bitch?

[@theguy2463]

Bro I was about to make a video about this, I couldn’t agree more, when I saw episode 7 and 8. All I could think, where are the b-wings!?

[@jacobgale4792]

Bwings make everything better

[@jangounchained5279]

Even better ,where are Kwings ??? Wwings or Mwings (Ywing with 3rd engine ) ? And Ewings interceptors ??? THIS DISNEY TRILOGY SUCKS BALLLLSSSS !!! Oh and NO JEDI LIGHTSABER BATTLES AT ALL !!!!!! 👎🤦🏻‍♂️👎👎👎👎👎

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

And Y- wings Never forget the Y- wings

[@jacktheflash8478]

The Guy 24 well they will be in episode 9

[@extremelyvividcardgames7890]

I really hope we get to see the star-hawk, or even a fleet of star-hawks, in a space battle in episode 9

[@whitechili4168]

Prequels: Awesome LAAT Republic gunship with unique design that fits in with the Star Wars feel. Sequels: A flying box that holds stormtroopers

[@jameshuke354]

I love the U wing, yet more proof rouge one is the best of the recent films

[@aringha5221]

They basically just reused concept art from the original trilogy.

[@Kolonol1]

They had to go back to that because they don't own the artwork rights to the original star wars ships...but no one ever said anything about the concepts

[@ShamanMcLamie]

@@Kolonol1 That doesn't sound right. They bought the IP from George Lucas. They should own everything.

[@AtlantiansGaming]

@@ShamanMcLamie Kolonol is probably getting some conspiratorial 'insider' information from one of the YouYube channels that pretend they have insider connections telling them all about made up drama and legal intrigue that makes little sense upon closer examination.

[@aringha5221]

I mean the sequel xwing is a carbon copy of the prototype xwing

[@DrewLSsix]

@@ShamanMcLamie they do, the same company Lucas Films is making the new films. People keep saying Disney did this or that, but Disney is not the company actually making the films.

[@firestorm2035]

The lack of new ships in the sequel trilogy just gives me even more appreciation for star wars resistance. The ship design in that show just never ceases to amaze me.

[@RedCaio]

I'm gonna commit heresy here and say: • I like the Resistance X-wings better than the Rebel ones • I like the 1st Order Tie Fighters better than the Imperial ones That said, I would've loved brand new ships. In general, I feel like the space battles in Disney Star Wars are just lazy and formulaic. Just have a bunch of pilots shout generic things like "punch it", "yeah", "woo hoo", and "give it all you've got" and you're done! :/

[@reidepperson8534]

Big one: how did the First Order seize any sort of military power without prompting the New Republic to take action?

[@saultalamantes7736]

Reid Epperson the first order is probably the dumbest part of the sequels

[@lorastra6975]

@@saultalamantes7736 The New Republic is the dumbest part of the sequels, they let the bad guys rebuild their empire. Change my mind

[@Crossbones6732]

The New Republic was so inept, First Order didn't even need Starkiller to destroy them. They could have done that with just their normal army.

[@radiumuppet]

forget the ships where is original ideas

[@akumaking1]

All their creativity was dumped inti SJW politicking.

[@blaire4115]

Exactly. Ships designs really are the least of this movies problems.

[@plainplane7580]

@@akumaking1 Someone has to bring up the dreaded SJWs at least once when talking about Star Wars, and it is annoying because they're basically not real and aren't behind every single thing you don't like. Why is Rey not a great character? Because she is written poorly. Why are the new movies not great? Poor writing and laziness. Why does Holdo have purple hair? I don't know, but hair color does not have a single damn thing to do with politics and does not effect the quality of the film either way.

[@radiumuppet]

@@plainplane7580 you can't deny that star wars got woke, but I do agree with you that there is more to it then "SJW politicking", as Joshua put it

[@radiumuppet]

@@blaire4115 i would rather them use the exact same T65-B X Wings and have a great story then have new ship designs and no story

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Earlier tonight, with some friends, I described the sequels thus: It's like they left the milk out, deciding they were going to make cheese, then gave up a while later and served cereal with the same milk. I like Cap'n Crunch a lot, but the milk between makes my stomach rebel against breakfast. - I got some laughs, and a couple nods.

[@TheDan744]

EXACT SAME THOUGHT I'VE HAD SINCE I WATCHED THE FORCE AWAKENS FOR THE FIRST TIME

[@SIrL0bster]

Rogue One, set contemporaneous with the original series, offered more cool new ship designs (the U wing being the big one) than the sequel trilogy has offered.

[@deadshot5007]

Tros literally added over 50 new ships

[@hublubub]

I would want atleast a CIS remnant referance and I will be fine.

[@Ampwich]

I just want to actually see the New Republic's military forces (at the very least of them) in at least 1 sequel movie....

[@darykeng]

@@Ampwich We all mate, we all... at least we have comics, it something

[@proven22x52]

That's what I've been saying their ships are 90% knockoffs of the original trilogy, they had a chance to amaze but instead of creating something new they play it safe, which is dumb if they want young kids, the ot kids are 55+ thier kids are grown up already don't rehash a 40 year old movie

[@proven22x52]

@@saberiandream316 the last Jedi was a broken colorless snore fest, how did Rey get aboard snooks ship and get off lol, huge plot holes lol, a middle movie is supposed to make the evil look unbeatable it sells the last movie, TLJ does nothing except kill off Luke, it doesn't further the story it's gay, idk joke of a movie

[@proven22x52]

@@saberiandream316 if they wanted to make cool movie that'd be awesome, but they didn't, they wanted to trash the other movies like a spoiled brat, if you can only make yourself look relevant by trashing others you are sshit, the sequels are sshit

[@datrevmeister]

In the original series, I took it to mean that the rebels were a ragtag group that flew antiquated ships of yesteryear which were replaced as the Empire modernized its fleet more and more with more capable and more modern tie fighters, dreadnaughts, etc. I did not expect to see the New Republic still flying obsolete Xwings and Moncalamari cruisers! I thought they would've acquired or designed newer and better ships like the Empire did before them.

[@kymrobinson7986]

One thing that the sequel trilogy's have done is well...made decades old loyal fans of SW bored with it all.

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

I’m more disappointed with where the story has gone, the ships not changing along with the plot from the OT certainly doesn’t help my enjoyment. It just makes the lack of creativity all the more pronounced. Also on what Eck said about the factions. The Resistance shouldn’t exist. The FO should have been presented as a technologically advanced insurgency. The NR didn’t care about them at first because “oh they’re just a small imperial remnant, they don’t matter.” Then the FO starts winning even though they’re heavily outnumbered. This would have served to make the FO much more intimidating, then if something like idk, discovering a massive, hidden, fleet of modified ISDs happened it would be a definite “bad feeling about this” moment because now the numerically inferior force that was already winning just gained a massive numeric boost. The only reason the Resistance exists is because the writers were too afraid of breaking the mold and wanted to just repeat the OT. The sad reality is that this disappointment is what we’re stuck with, and like a disease it will taint the rest of canon forever.

[@batman6621]

Valaglar Propaganda Company exactly my point. The NR is essentially the rebel alliance, created to destroy the empire. But when they win, they don’t do anything about the same empire becoming stronger and stronger. Like whut. As you put it the only reason why the resistance and the new republics flawed backstory exists is because the writers didn’t want to risk trying anything new. The resistance exists because of bad plot design. It’s sad because I’ve seen so many comments that give ideas and they are so much better than what is being produced. I’d love to see a brand new new republic trooper design that almost resembles modern day armies. Imagine seeing them go head to head with insurgent stormtroopers. Instead of yes let’s destroy basically death star 3. I’m curious to see what happens in episode 9 but idk I’m not expecting much tbh maybe we’ll have star killer base 2

[@rightben59]

"The one thing I HATE about the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy"? Me: That they exist

[@Sum1BetrThanU1]

Wade Jesen not even wondering! Legends had the guidelines, George Lucas had straight up outlines, there was a clear path and they said fuck it.

[@MichaelM28]

You spelt prequel wrong dumbass

[@SkylordAh]

Aron T-900 man say that 4 years ago and you wouldve been crucified

[@user-fj3wn6nr5w]

@@DarkAttackYT No the sequels are 10 times better than that trash

[@vladdrakul7851]

@@user-fj3wn6nr5w Only to a fucking moron who drinks in MSM BS like the mental child they are. Are you 6??

[@andyb1653]

The things I hate about the sequel trilogy: -The lack of an overall story -The damage to longstanding lore -The lack of new ships

[@gino14]

The minute Era 3 turned out to be a literal rehash of Era 2's conflict (with a "resistance" instead of a "rebellion" fighting "stormtroopers" instead of "stormtroopers"), we were resigned to this fate.

[@RoyalMudcrab]

See what George Lucas said about TFA. "There's nothing new"

[@jamiewalsh3349]

It was A New Hope 2.0. It was a good movie, just little imagination.

[@RoyalMudcrab]

@@jamiewalsh3349 I agree and disagree. Would it have been a fine movie on its own? Of course, because it is ANH 2.0. And even then despite the brisker, better pacing it has some issues ANH never had but I digress. I disagree because a lot of what went wrong in TLJ was planted in TFA. Hell, even the choice to end it with that admitedly beautiful shot on Ahch-To kinda forced the following movie to pick up immediately, reducing the sequel trilogy thus far to the most eventful week in recent galactic history. There is no sense of progression in the conflict. Hell, there was no fucking setup in the conflict. What the fuck is the resistance? Why is it different from the New Republic the Alliance worked so hard to create? Why is there "a map to Luke Skywalker" if he didn't want to be found? Why not call it what the damn Visual Dictionary specifies it is, a map to one of the first jedi temples?

[@HonestHappyHater]

@@jamiewalsh3349 "good movie"? It was ANH but bad

[@RoyalMudcrab]

@@saberiandream316 we remember. In my mind it doesn't make the clunky dialogue of the prequels any less bad or the romance any less forced. But let it never be said the prequels were unoriginal in their worldbuilding.

[@KingArthur39]

@@HonestHappyHater Not really. It has great characters, it is fun, has good action and good visuals

[@canisblack]

The X-Wing was the F-16 of the Legends-universe. And it kind of makes sense given that it was an evolution of the Z-95 which was the F-16 of the preceding era...at least until the prequels came around. It's also worth noting that they actually did try and replace the X-Wing several times and the fighters ran into the F-22 problem. They were clearly superior designs, but they weren't anywhere close to as cost-effective as the X-Wing. They actually built it in a way that made sense in-universe. And they also lampshaded it several times with people in-universe complaining about it. Especially representatives of alien species that weren't near-human types. In-short, the X-Wing was a mainstay throughout much of the Legends continuity due to the bean counters. Sure it's a boring explanation, but it's hilariously REAL.

[@wilkor-lc7ox]

From what i read somewhere, veterans of G C war sometimes straight up refused to fly on anything other than x wing like designs, and only new pilots used new designs. X wing still stayed in the elite squadrones due to pure expiriance of their pilot and upgrades, so it kind of made sense that gc war characters still use x wing and it was popular

[@michaelstodovski2219]

That's actually the same Reason why the Ressistance still uses T-70 X Wings. (Which are in-universe.. Outdated designs all the way from 5 ABY, I think 1 prototype might have been used against the Empire at Jakku) They became so abundant in the New Republic and espescially 3rd party factions and security forces that they must have been *dirt cheap* fighters. The Special Forces Tie-Fighter i bellive has a similar price and capability to that of a T-70.

[@joltster109]

Ok... I just wanna point out... THAT OUTRO HAD ME ROLLING LMAOOOO I LOVE IT 😂😂😂😭😭

[@MaraAlis]

I think you’ve hit on some of my major complaints/gripes about the ST, which I nonetheless generally enjoyed, especially in regards to the ship designs, which is huge part of what I enjoyed and sparked my imagination in the OT. I was at least happy to see them bring some of my favorite ships like B-Wings back for TROS. I suppose that, story wise, you could chalk it up to the Resistance just not having much in terms of military resources and would have to stick with the basics and more widely available craft but I also agree about the idea of having it be a New Republic vs First Order fight but I think that they announced pretty definitively in TFA that they wanted to re-create the “Rebels vs Empire” dynamic by seemingly blowing up the “New Republic”- even though the idea of destroying a galaxy-wide government by taking out a couple of planets seems like a bit of a stretch when it seems like there would be enough people elsewhere to re-constitute a government but, given how fast galactic events occur in TFA/TLJ/TROS I guess there’s not much time to focus on that and I’m sure they wanted to stay far away from politics after ROTS.

[@DanielSmith-mp4le]

Never be ashamed of your opinions this is something I've been learning in my own personal life and I think it applies to everyone. In my personal opinion I don't like pretty much anything the sequel Trilogy has offered to this point if you like it that's fine I just happened to NOT like any of it.

[@nemdenemam9753]

Daniel Smith i actually like the underlying idea of a disenchanted jedi master finding his way back through his apprentice. If only the execution and everything else wasnt left in the hands of an intellectually depleted toddler

[@DanielSmith-mp4le]

@@nemdenemam9753 my problem with that story arc is it made Luke Skywalker of all people into the disenchanted Jedi Master it just doesn't sound like something the Luke Skywalker we've known for all these years to do.

[@nemdenemam9753]

Daniel Smith i think it could have been made to feel genuine. However they would have had to show a strong coherent journey for him to reach that part. Not this ”here he is, he is totally different, deal with it”. Although its true, im not sure what could be done to make him giving up trying. He should have had to go through some traumatic failure with trying or something.

[@DanielSmith-mp4le]

@@nemdenemam9753 well that's just it isn't it it's not likely without an extremely out of character reason Luke Skywalker is defined by his unwillingness to give up on anything it would have to be a character breaking events in order to get him to the point we saw in the Last Jedi

[@Cylus1527]

Think a big missed opportunity in the sequel trilogy was not including the Chiss and other stuff from the unknown regions. There's where you could see a lot of new and alien ship designs if we accept that you just have to still have your familiar X-Wings and TIEs for the casual Star Wars fans.

[@eightnickel1513]

The Sequels just are a reskin of the Original Trilogy. They use old plots, old ships, ripped of old characters, ruined old characters, and redid old scenes. So, the writers just retold the story in their way.

[@dagdamor1]

Resurgent-class was a fantastic design, and it SOMEHOW exists in the same movie as the Mandator-IV "I have almost zero point-defense" Space Dorito.

[@thatguy3421]

Would of loved to see the First Order Pearl Harbor the New Republic Fleet at Kuat or a Mid Rim dockyard planet as they returned

[@lba_e_ross2152]

They did that already. When they nuked Hosnian Prime the fleet went up in smoke.

[@thatguy3421]

@@lba_e_ross2152 I did say a Pearl Harbor, the US still had its aircraft carriers and parts of its fleet still active. Since Star Wars had a WW2 theme to it, why not have it similar to that of the US in WW2 mixed with fighting a desperate and powerful foe. Without the need for super weapons. A balance between the internal struggles of the New Republic and the old Imperial Remnant and supporters while fighting the extremist elements of the Empire. The main focus of course on Luke being self exiled and also Rey being a soldier/officer who survived the first attack and seeks training about unknowingly using it by accident.

[@lba_e_ross2152]

​@@thatguy3421 Muh themes. Tell that to 9 and is Death Star Star Destoyers. You're not going to get that here. The ST and the Disney canon is garbage

[@thatguy3421]

@@lba_e_ross2152 I know that, also the Disney canon is alright. Also originally Ryan Johnson wanted luke to be an absolute cynci and just go mad with the force because he realised that the force would just balance itself out. Which to me sounds fascinating if done right. But i will stick to Warhammer 40k and star wars

[@lba_e_ross2152]

@@thatguy3421 Gee. Rian Johsnon taking Luke out of character. Never seen that before. Disney canon is nonsensical trash that cant stand against any quality EU story. They keep rehashing and bashing the EU, giving ill service to what Star Wars was. There is no point to the ST, there is no story worth anything other than what people just keep making up in their heads. They are bringin Palpatine back to life because thay are that creatively bankrupt they have to pull a shallow DARK EMPIRE on us when it makes no sense!!!! If Palpatine can come back why in the bloody blue blazes would have made OPERATION CINDER???? If Snoke can force slam Hux from across the galaxy why didn't he just force choke and kill the entire New Republic without firing a shot? Ther is so much wrong with the Disney canon and Star Wars as a whole now that you're better off with Warhammer. No disappearing knifes happening there.

[@dansparce]

The ST has made me appreciate the PT more, so take from that what you will.

[@Marcel-eg9bz]

So I play a game from FFG called X-Wing Miniatures (if you love Star Wars and you love spaceship battles, you're gonna love X-Wing) and whenever a new show or a new film comes out, it's always exciting to see what kinds of new ships we might be getting added to our game. Sadly, you are 100% correct in your assertion that ep 7-9 has added very little in terms of innovation for ship design. In contrast ep 1-3 were filled with creativity in their design space. No one ever complains of hating 1-3 because of the design aspects - we hate (or love to meme) them for other reasons - like sand.

[@Evil.Totoro]

I dunno, I am fine with the evolved x-wing design.. it’s only 30 years or so after Return if the Jedi, technology would not progress that much. Look at our world with an F-15 and an F-22, fighters from different generations, with decades between them.they both have the same form, just the f-22 looks refined and smoothed out.

[@nathanjora7627]

Evil Totoro « technology would not progress that much » Except it did in our world, and it did in SW. The X-Wing’s predecessor in the prequels was visually very distinct, even if it was obviously its predecessors. I’m fine with an improved X-Wing too, but it doesn’t mean it can’t be visually distinct. The new X-Wing is almost the exact same as the old X-Xing, I had to go back to the originals to see that it wasn’t just a new painting, but that they were also a bit stockier and had bigger (and uglier) engines. I mean... Wasn’t it possible to correct the flaws of the X-Wings for example ? Just, move the canons closer to the center of the ship, use these wings to put some missiles here and there, etc.

[@projectsdonepoorly1383]

Your title is wrong, should be....one of the 2 million things wrong about the sequel trilogy......

[@bencoomer2000]

This whole sequel trilogy has felt incredibly lazy, IMO. TFA was A New Hope basically. TLJ was Empire reversed with Return of the Jedi's throne room scene thrown in (but with SUBVERSION!!! ((note subversion isn't bad. ONLY subversion is...))) And anyone else feel really constrained by these movies? Like it's a GALAXY. How are we on a desert planet AGAIN?!?

[@Animescene23]

They forgot to add a sense of wonder into star wars.

[@nedjimb0]

Yeah, blowing up the entire New Republic halfway through Ep 7 to shoehorn in a conflict between the ersatz Rebel Alliance and Empire, who still use X-Wings and TIE/LNs was kind of a cop out.

[@Zeknif1]

This is part of why I love "I, Jedi"... Stackpole went to great lengths to make the Ugly Tri-Fighter "Clutch" used by the pirate squadrons of the Invids read as both being a more standardized modification of the classic TIE, while at the same time making them not only visually, but also functionally distinct from any of the previous TIE designs, including the vastly improved lateral visibility that the new wing configuration made possible with just a few new view ports cut into the ball cockpit. He added a few extra goodies for the pirates to play with, but also included a drawback in their speed due to the extra power draw from the shields and new weapon systems.

[@owenkasaboski6902]

Eck, I gotta ask, What ever happened to the imperium vs Forerunner vid ? Was it Just put on the back burner or canceled etc?

[@EckhartsLadder]

Not cancelled no

[@Matt-ne7mu]

@@EckhartsLadder I can't wait!

[@owenkasaboski6902]

Thanks for clearing that up

[@armorking7258]

Lol if is the imperium in current state, then forerunners win easy, if its imperium in the dark age of technology, then perhaps they would put a fight.

[@owenkasaboski6902]

@@armorking7258 I'd say it's fair to use the imperium at there highest point, rather than current. Because I don't think the forerunners are doing so well in the present day of the Halo universe. Just a lil bit

[@spartaninvirginia]

I still don't get how Empire 2: Galactic Boogaloo took over the Galaxy and the old Rebellion to Restore the Republic lost. New star wars makes me sad.

[@griz312]

It makes no sense at all, no way in hell would the New Republic allow a threat like the New Order come in and take over. The Rebellion overthrew the Empire with full force at the end of the war and why is it the New Republic got reduced to a Small group of resistance when the whole galaxy was against the empire but not the New order.

[@plainplane7580]

TFO also built entire fleets and a modernized army, with just a few planets and some remnants of Imperial forces. They also did the impossible of building a galaxy conquering force, in just 20 years or so.

[@renaissancenovice7202]

Exactly. Suddenly the Empire is back in full swing and the original characters did nothing to prevent it? Yeah, no. I don't buy that.

[@griz312]

MasterQL5 that was never explained in the movies so I am assuming that was from a novelization. That’s the kind of thing I hate about the new movies it’s that if you want the full story you had to read the novels too. At least the prequels and OT everything was just expanded upon after the movies. But even with the New Republic bureaucracy I’m sure other planets would have formed an alliance much like Confederacy to protect their own interest from the First Order.

[@robertdullnig3625]

Don't forget the Upsilon Shuttle! Definitely my favorite ship in the ST.

[@fatherlucid4995]

The originals: Great story, Great execution (9/10) The prequels: Good story, bad execution (7/10) The sequels: Bad story, decent execution (5/10) The next trilogy needs what the originals had in vision conceptually, not in look and feel but spiritually in the story, strong characterization, wonderment and execution.