Which Star Wars Factions (and eras) could survive the YUUZHAN VONG? | Star Wars Legends Lore

[@EckhartsLadder]

Reminder, this one is basically audio only. Go play a game or something while you listen!

[@diamondsandgold1993]

WiH Necrons vs Forerunners? Please! :)

[@taycarroll1124]

Thought you'll be on your honeymoon by now.

[@MitchellSaad]

And play a game I shall, how was the wedding? All well I’d assume? Also, I’d love to catch one of your streams now that you are back, I haven’t bit spammed you for a while

[@Infernal460]

Congratulations on the wedding I hope it went well.

[@thorshammer7883]

#AskEck *Attempt 611* Do the Forerunners vs Warhammer 40k faction versus battles.

[@ionlycreatedthissothatican6859]

The Vongs arrives with their army of living technology Darth Nihilus: is for me 👉👈🥰

[@tripletturmoil7234]

Lmao

[@S_047]

Nom nom

[@MrNinja806]

That wouldn't work tho right? Nihilus consumed force energy from living beings but since the Vongh weren't from the same Galaxy they had literally no connection to the force just like the clone army

[@TheSwordsman100]

@@MrNinja806 Well it wasn't that they had no connection to the Force at all, it was that the Vong had their connection removed as punishment for their heinous actions. As for the clone army, I'm confused on what you mean, the clone army of the Republic, while not Force sensitive, were connected to the Force like the normal populace. Though you maybe right in a different sense, we possibly could have a repeat of the Exile vs Nihilus. (As Meetra is best point of comparison despite regaining her connection)

[@Codexter1]

@@MrNinja806 Nihilus turned life into force energy, not vice versa. So Nihilus could consume the Vong since they are living creatures.

[@superfluous9726]

The vong: *capture a planet to make more ships* Palpatine on the death star: I'm about to end this mans whole career.

[@spongeboimebobbb]

*do it*

[@MechaKnuckles]

You may fire when ready.

[@unknownchicken2284]

Cant capture your planets if you blow them all up

[@Larph13]

@@unknownchicken2284 big brain move by Palps

[@florians9949]

Thrawn finding that the Vong don’t have art: finally, a worthy opponent.

[@victorbruant389]

Which Star Wars Factions (and eras) could survive the DROID ATTACK ON THE WOOKIES?

[@michaelramon2411]

...Uh... Clone Wars?

[@oom-3262]

asking the real questions here

[@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong]

it’s a system we cannot afford to lose.

[@bemotivated8443]

But what about the Wookiee attack on the porgs?

[@Enterprise-D666]

bemotivated (Looks afraid of Wookiees because they eat porgs)

[@LoneWolf20213]

the clone war's had many more Jedi, and the droids were much heavier and versital with many more ship's, so I think the clone war's will definitely survive

[@robertnelson9599]

I agree.

[@futureclonecommando2275]

FOR THE REPUBLIC AND FOR THE HONORS OF OUR BROTHERS

[@blackyvertigo]

The Jedi were mostly useless against the Vong who are blind to and outside the Force. Only those with actually natural combat prowess would not have been slaughtered outright.

[@bemotivated8443]

And deathwatch would have helped some

[@LoneWolf20213]

​@@bemotivated8443 yeah, they would be very effective as well, especially with gorilla warfare tactic's

[@tuckerjohnston1844]

Say what you want about the Yuuzhan Vong at least they are more threatening than the first order.

[@dragonleo_]

I agree, the first order is like the imperial remnants but dumber.

[@damarglover6363]

Their like a freaking nightmare lol

[@tuckerjohnston1844]

Damar Glover the first order would probably shit themselves if they face the Yuuzhan Vong.

[@adianjohnson3220]

That's not really a high bar

[@tuckerjohnston1844]

Adian Johnson actually it is a high bar.

[@ItachiUchiha-69]

He never mentioned that if they had invaded in the old republic, not only were the Jedi at their prime but as were the sith. At one time the Jedi and sith had very similar numbers in the old republic. So not only would they have to deal with 10,000 Jedi but all of the sith on the dark consul, emperor vitiate/valcorian, and all of the others in swtor it would be suicide for the vonng.

[@ItachiUchiha-69]

Joshua Sharwood I actually know somewhat about that, I remember reading force lighting upsets their biological armor and turns the vonng’s armor into quite effective microwaves for the ones wearing it.

[@marseldagistani1989]

Darth Nihilus: I'm gonna suck all of your souls

[@squezzsiege2735]

The sith weren’t in their prime they just had the most numbers

[@ItachiUchiha-69]

@@squezzsiege2735 i disagree, vitiate is the most powerful emperor to date.

[@squezzsiege2735]

@@ItachiUchiha-69 It was confirmed in the Plagueis novel which was legends that he was more powerful than any sith before him that includes Vitiate, Palpatine beats Plagueis so yea

[@christopherstroud5701]

Luke had 100 Jedi at the start of the war half that at the end I can't imagine what 10000 Jedi could've done

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

Lukes Jedi were probably one of, if not the most powerful generation of Jedi on average. The Jedi who survived the shocking brutality of the Vong were frighteningly good at killing and fighting. Luke's order was much less restricted on use of the force and actually incorporated grey to semi- darkside tactics as well. A Sith Wars era Jedi Order would do well but still was tied down by useless dogma, and a Post - Ruusan Reformation Order would be slaughtered worse than Luke's.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 only after the war. Before that most were relatively untrained. The strongest one on Average id probably say would be Lord Hoths Army of light.

[@christianresel8051]

1k of them using battle meditation would win them EVERY BATTLE (Every master back then was able to do this, after Bastila "discovered" that ability they started teaching/learning it)

[@Cailus3542]

The Jedi of the Clone Wars were far less powerful and versatile than the New Jedi Order. The Vong would've slaughtered them, I suspect.

[@berges104]

1: Peak Empire 2: Peak New Republic but under competent leadership. 3: SWTOR. Militarized 4: Day before Genosis. Militarized 5: Few years before Episode 1. 40K jedi mean nothing if they can attack from range (space) and you have no counter attack available. System defense fleets are small and easily pushed aside by a couple Vong cruisers. Strip shields and melt the fleet.

[@jojogh10]

I think the Old Republic, Sith Empire and Eternal Empire together could easily defeat the Vong, yeah, easily is relative here but, these three factions were strong on their own, and together, I think it would be extremely hard to defeat that.

[@z3r0_35]

Even a few years before the events of Episode 1 there were some powerful militarized factions out there. The Trade Federation’s “Security Forces” come to mind; true, their droids weren’t as advanced or as numerous as what they’d have a decade later, but they could still churn out a LOT of droids, and as long as they protect their control ships, they can coordinate their operations on a level impossible for non-force sensitives to match (and the Vong as a whole are cut off from the Force). You can bet your ass that the moment an extragalactic invasion happened, all restrictions on militarization would be lifted. The only real drawbacks here are that the Republic would need time to build up their forces and, more crucially, no clones.

[@lenkagamine4145]

@@z3r0_35 Vong are coordinated by a Yammosk so they can coordinate at least as well. The trade federations droids would be curbstomped by Vong warriors honestly, even in absolutely massive numbers.

[@z3r0_35]

@@lenkagamine4145 Still, remember, the Trade Federation can build more battle droids. The Vong can’t replace slain warriors in a timely manner, they’re on the clock - they have to conquer the galaxy before their losses reach critical mass or they lose pretty much by default once the galaxy fully mobilizes in response. Of course, they know this, which was why they had Nom Anor and their other agents sabotaging their adversaries before the opening of hostilities.

[@lenkagamine4145]

@@z3r0_35 I'm not really super sure about this. IRL in wartime there is usually a continuous flow of new people joining the armed forces because new people come of age over time, its not like they just started making more vong after they invaded; there are already vong growing up when they invade. So, I mean, obviously the trade federation can produce droids faster, but the vong are going to be replenishing their losses as each year they have more vong come of age and be ready for battle. Though I will give it this, the caste-based system does restrict how many new soldiers they can realistically produce since they cant really give over their whole society to military production. Regardless, the Vong move with alot of momentum, I think it would be very difficult for the CIS to bog them down in a war of attrition (a war the vong would certainly lose), the Vong are highly capable of a galaxy-wide 'blitzkrieg' style invasion, and would presumably target the CIS to the exclusion of all others due to their droids. I imagine they would immediately make a bee-line for the droid manufactorums, not only for strategic reasons but religious ones as well.

[@techticianlarsproductions6180]

Right after the Clone Wars with all the chaos might be a good point, when the CIS was dismantled

[@Litany_of_Fury]

The Clone Army / Navy might be able to buy enough time for Palpatine to mobalise enough forces. Think about it the Clone Army is at it's most veteran, though they have lost a great deal of their generals. Sure the Clones are outnumbered by a great deal, at the end of the day they are expendable. even if they only buy a few months or years the Empire would be geared up for war.

[@techticianlarsproductions6180]

@@Litany_of_Fury True but they depleted enough resources and the Republic Navy was powerful but the ISD was better than the Venator in ship to ship. If they scrounge the CIS gear they might be ready but they would have to use the Spaarti clones, which would be low quality, and would have to rush production of a navy that took over 20 years to create. Not to mention the science and weapons of the Empire being only ideas. They might be able to but it would be at a huge cost.

[@TempFel3]

The purge also would have benefited the vong, and the empire still hadn’t gotten their star destroyers and super weapons, the only operational stuff would have been the clone army and the venators, not to dis either one, but if the vong got to kamino, game over.

[@techticianlarsproductions6180]

@@TempFel3 now they did have Imperators and Victories but not nearly to the same level

[@billclark5055]

@@techticianlarsproductions6180 They don't need Spartai clones. They can just start recruiting soldiers and give them Republic weapons. Plus use clone troopers as special forces. The biggest problem I see is a limited Republic navy.

[@nickmalachai2227]

2:40 I'd argue that having a decentralized defense focused on wealthier planets would be easier for the Vong to take. What does Kuat care if some Outer Rim worlds are subsumed by a Vong army seeking to replinish their ranks? By the time the threat is taken seriously enough and a military is bought/raised, the Vong would already have a decent foothold.

[@captain_hammer]

It's possible that the Vong decided to invade at exactly the time you said they should have, but that their ships took several years to arrive. They were travelling from another galaxy, after all...

[@ygotsvlog3762]

Well i guess thats a pretty big downside

[@adams13245]

@@ygotsvlog3762 Indeed it is.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

I have heard that their first scouts arrived when Revan was still a Jedi originally!

[@CedarHunt]

I gotta say that I think you're vastly overestimating the power of the planetary defense forces from the pre-clone wars era. Some might have been able to stand for a short time like the forces of Umbara or the Wookies but we know from the clone wars that most of the PDF units that existed were largely ceremonial and lacked ships or even meaningful numbers to resist a Vong invasion. A decentralized command structure really just means that you can't coordinate troops and resources effectively and the vong would be more than capable of crushing any system they came across. It would take time to build up a military force capable of resisting the vong and while that is being built the vong would be free to rampage across the outer and mid rim and maybe even the core.

[@aidenharrison9613]

Yep, the Jedi would have been fighting the war pretty much alone. The Republic would fall.

[@Kolonol1]

I completely agree with this

[@ocadioan]

Agree. Even if the PDF's could be useful combined, which PDF would leave its own planet completely defenceless to go help out on the other side of the galaxy? It would be a slaughter of a million small battles. Also, his comments about "they have jedi" seems to miss the point that jedi can't do anything in space combat. They are as much sitting ducks in the starship as the cook.

[@CedarHunt]

There is also the issue of conflicting doctrines and objectives: each individual government/military would have their own equipment and tactics and, like ocadioan said, many would be unwilling to weaken their own defenses to come to the aid of their neighbors or ship troops to defend a far off planet. The Vong on the other hand were fully militarized, unified and had no interest in specific planets, they just needed territory and had the ability to terraform planets to suit their needs. So when they came across a heavily defended world they could just drop a moon on it or pull the planet apart with dovin basals. The biggest weakness for the Vong is their lack of immediate infrastructure and the age of their ships. They'd need to settle hard and fast and begin to build up a support system as quickly as possible in the territory they grabbed. Given a few years to run roughshod over the outer and mid rim, by the time the republic built up forces and equipment to respond, the Vong would be capable of digging in fairly deep. It would be an arms race assuming that the Republic didn't immediately collapse from the panic as member planets started dropping like flies and the Republic struggled to find a way to counter the invasion of an entire quadrant of the galaxy.

[@jasonibbs]

@@CedarHunt that was pretty much the problem The New Republic almost faced in the early days of the invasion. The Yuzahn Vong had already been scouting and planning the invasion for decades. In fact the first planet they came to, they were suprised to find it inhabited as previous visit before showed no life. The plan was to take over multiple planets in the outer rim for colonization and building up their forces before moving on to the rest of the galaxy. Under the New Republic there was much more exploration and expansion than under the empire or even Old Republic. Not to mention the first attacks were unauthorized by a semi renegade faction of the Vong. These two things taken together; being discovered earlier than planned, and engaging combat and showing their capabilities before they were fully ready for invasion were the biggest factors in giving the galaxy a chance to fight back. Had they arrived at any point earlier, and had time to fully prepare their forces, the galaxy would have been hard pressed at any period to hold them off.

[@Gameboy-64]

Am I the only one that's watching the duel more than listening to what he's talking about?

[@reedcoffman3210]

Dem old KOTOR trailers are the best

[@Dakarai_Knight]

Reed C. Those are swtor trailers

[@reedcoffman3210]

Oh wait yeah mb

[@bemotivated8443]

I had a back up video a few times because I wasn’t listening

[@arrowtt3364]

No you weren't

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

(1) Nom Anor made it clear (I think it wad in Destiny's Way) that Palpatine's Empire would have utterly destroyed the Vong "in the first encounter". (2) The Emperor Reborn would have ZERO trouble with the Vong. 2 words: Galaxy Gun.

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

As Admiral Pellaeon put it when asked his opinion of the Vong vs The Empire, if the Rebellion was able to defeat the Empire TWICE than what do you think the Vong would be able to do?

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 That's funny! Both sides tought they would have lost.

[@THEAdmiralXizor]

Wow... this hot take aged extremely well. 😁 Apparently it would only take one (lower power) shot from a Final Order Star Destroyer to take out each Yuuzhan Vong worldship...

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 the rebellion was a small splinter group that used unconventional tactics, the Vong are savages that have a dogmatic hate for all technology. Different foes, different tactics. The empire wasn’t made to fight a small guerrilla force, it was made to combat an opposing army, like the Vong.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@THEAdmiralXizor yup, with both Deathstars, both Eclipse Class SSDs, Tarkin Station, as well as a handful of Sovereign Class SSDs, the Vong fleet would be toast. If the empire had reached it’s full strength, no conventional military force would be able to rival it.

[@cpt.riptide473]

Aww crap, gotta rewatch half the vid, was engrossed in the saber duel from that cutscene

[@TheogMasterMacD]

What game is it from?

[@asliceofcheese7152]

@@TheogMasterMacD falllen order???

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

@@asliceofcheese7152 It's a compilation of awesome stuff from the 'Star Wars the Old Republic' mmo trailers. Except for the part where it switches to live action, that's from Eckhart's Ladder's own fan film 'Battle of the Dreadnoughts'.

[@DanteKG.]

@@TheogMasterMacD thought I should tag you as well. Yea the video is a compilation of trailers for The Old Republic MMORPG game made by Bioware

[@catandogclone7880]

I think the empire has the best overall chance of surviving and defeating the Yuuzhan Vong, I’ll also give the clone wars era a chance of surviving since both army’s can basically be mass produced (the republics is a lot slower but has a better pay off in quality), the droids would be really good at distracting the Vong from the clones and Jedi in the battles.

[@bogustoast22none25]

The best time would have been the pre-clone wars. Hear me out, yes there was a better distribution of military forces, but each one had their own agenda, or rather the protection of themselves over the rest of the galaxy, which would have made many of them stand down unless directly threatened. The clone wars, or rather mid clone wars would have been the worst time of all to invade. Sure the republic had lost officers and Jedi, but the ones left had become hardier and more accustomed to front war tactics. meanwhile the CIS had gone through it’s own evolution, upgrading B1 program slightly, ramping up B2 production, creating some dangerous toys, and also gained experience themselves, most particularly in ambush or sneak attacks as they often liked to do, instead of frontline warfare. This would have created an unusual yet effective hybrid force, with the centralized republic Forces capable of taking the Vong head on, or rather in a slow bulldozing tactic, while the decentralized CIS could focus more on ambush, quick invasion tactics that only their factories could sustain. The best part is that even if you flip the script and put the CIS in bulldozing and the Republic in guerilla style, it still works, because then the Republic can focus on training and deploying commandos while the CIS could focus on massive and I mean MASSIVE offensive production, due to now being allied with the republic, means they once again have unrestricted access to most areas they could effectively deploy their droids. Same thing could be said, or rather works best, with their space forces. The Republic Venator can focus on being a support ship for lukrehulks, providing clone ingenuity to direct droid star fighter numbers and become a true force to be reckoned with.

[@MrMarinus18]

Right in the middle of the clone wars also meant all the military infrastructure is already there. The reason the Vong were so successful was because there wasn't that much of a military to oppose them and by the time that military was up and running they had already conquered half the galaxy. In the clone wars with Kamino pumping out clones by the hundreds a day and droid factories making thousands a day and all the shipyards in full operation the CIS and Republic would have just turned their guns around and united against the common enemy.

[@henriksandstrom2161]

Nah maybe the second worse but the empire would have been the most difficult to invade by far

[@ygotsvlog3762]

I guess but hear me out im pretty sure they wouldve still been crushed in many fronts against the sith and jedi

[@A-Clear_View]

10th like@@MrMarinus18

[@A-Clear_View]

listen Darth plagues makes an alliance with he madillorians the huts and the chiss and the republic mabe and everyone goes into hiper drive factory mode then make a droid army they could do it draft trillions of civilians even if they have like no training numbers alone will push back the the yuuhong vong also madilorian empire go burrrrr thousand sof sith and jedis go burrrrrrrrrrrrr also center point station exists and mabe the ones could do something who knows.

[@AaronSarg]

Outside of Nom Anor, sending signals who knows how long it would take to get to the fleet in the void, the Vong was on it's way and came when they did. Being in intergalactic space for generations, I am sure they were itching to get there as fast as they could. Part of Outbound Flight was to investigate the "Outsiders" and another reason Thrawn was so important to the Emperor.

[@jasonibbs]

The question shouldnt be so.much Which era would have survived, as which would survive if the pre-invasion had gone as planned. The Vong had agents and scouts in the galaxy for decades prior to the invasion. The agents were to sow dissension between planets and cause brush wars between neighboring planets to prevent a united front, which may not have been as effective during the height of the empire but very effective under other eras. Also to send intelligence back regarding possible allies, defense setups and capabilities. The scouts were sent to identify uninhabited planets on the invasion corridor suitable for terra forming to Vong specifications for troop and weapons development. The two problems they ran into was that first; a renegade faction grew impatient and wanted to become more prominent within the Vong and decided to invade early. One of the first planets they came to was previously uninhabited but a recently arrived survey team encountered them and their going quiet prompted investigation. That led to the second problem, since they were discovered they pressed their current advantage of numbers and tech superiority in the area. The New Republic and Jedi responded quicker than expected and since the Vong force wasnt part of the warrior caste they werent as preparred for the battle as they thought and were beaten back. From this, the Jedi and military were able to get a measure of what they were up against and began making preparations to stand against them even without full government support. This caused the rest of the incoming invasion to accelerate their plans and were less prepared for the opposition they would run into and their agents were less effective given the new timeline.

[@rudolphantler6309]

Interesting!

[@adams13245]

Would anti government agents be less effective against the Empire? I feel like most commentators on this simply assume the Empire would automatically terrify the populace into following them, when that's not necessarily true. Yes, the Yuuzhan Vong are theocratic technophobe sadomasochists, but it's not like they're gonna tell the new recruits; "Here's a pain glove for your meditation. Make sure ot use it every week, or else." Nom Anor was able to get a sizeable chunk of the population joining the Peace Brigades from the much less oppressive New Republic, why wouldn't he be able to do so with the Empire? It seems like there is an assumption that Palpatine's government would be utterly unfazed by Yuuzhan Vong spies and provocateurs and I don't think that's necessarily true.

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

The Vong pose a serious threat to all of the factions and time periods in Star Wars. The Empire would probably be able to win, but the rest of them are at a serious tech and organizational disadvantage. Planetary Fleets would not be able to stop the Vong. Pretty much all Pre- Empire fleets are woefully under powered. The Vong are not of the Star Wars home galaxy and taking them lightly is what almost cratered the galaxy. Even the Empire was prone to destabilization and the Vong were masters at that. If Palpatine and the Chiss were afraid of the Vong then everyone else should be too. Everyone seriously low-balls the Vong. They fought and defeated the New Republic ( not the Galactic Alliance) which was of a higher tech level than even the Empire and were only defeated by a galaxy wide coalition AFTER countermeasures had been developed for all the Vong's tactics and their secrets had been discovered. Oh, and everybody talks about how the CIS would wreck the Vong, but do you really want to see galaxy wide Serpidal/ Vector Prime moon smashing anti- machine rage?

[@adams13245]

I think a lot of people ignore that Palpatine's tyrannical government would act as a field day for infiltrators, such as Nom Anor. You want people pissed at the government and looking for change, who don't particularly care where it comes from? See Kashyyk where the wookiees were enslaved and handed off to their trandoshen rivals. They would've probably seen any one who offered an alternative to the empire as someone to at least hear out. That Nom Anor could work with the populace of the much less openly evil New Republic indicates he was skilled in getting people to hear him, even coming from a theocratic society that worships pain. I imagine the many aliens under the Empire's boot would think they don't have much to loose from the new boss, and the pain stuff is less of a problem then one might think- after all the empire loves inflicting pain on people!

[@vitorkennedy1862]

You forgot the Eternal Empire and the Rakatas.

[@Sekironprime]

Maybe for a part 2

[@blackshogun272]

vitor kennedy the Rakata would annihilate them. You must remember The Rakata never lost a war (lost the Invasion of Korriban). They honestly coulda glassed it but it woulda been a waste of Dark Side energy for later use. Plus Soa, The Infernal One would conquer it eventually and fall to his brothers hands; though it is repeated in lore it took half the Infinite Empire to defeat and imprison him on Belsavis. But if Soa had not been consumed by his ego, he could have possibly prevented the fall of the Infinite Empire. But anyways "I" so far only know that the Rakata were defeated by a possibly celestial Disease and the Sith race.

[@coreymicallef365]

Not accounting for any difference in technological advances the Eternal Empire probably would have been similarly effective as the Galactic Empire minus superweapons plus who knows how many force users. They controlled almost all of the galaxy and the galaxy was pretty militarised at that time. The Rakata wouldn't have stood a chance. Sure they had the Star Forge and maybe they can crew and maintain all of the ships it produces, maybe and who knows if that's enough, but they're dead in terms ground warfare because there just isn't enough of them to keep up the war effort even if they drafted slaves into their war effort. The entire population of the Infinite Empire was slightly over a trillion at it's peak (1 trillion slaves, 10 billion Rakatans) across 500 or so worlds, that's less than just Coruscant on its own. The Vong inflicted 300 trillion casualties during the war devastating thousands if not millions of worlds and it took the resources of a much more heavily developed and heavily populated galaxy to contain them, wear them down and drive them back. The Rakata wouldn't have survived the initial Vong assault.

[@vitorkennedy1862]

@@blackshogun272 or they were defeated by the will of the force.

[@blackshogun272]

@@vitorkennedy1862 high key were tho. Sucks but karma in Star Wars is hardcore real 😂

[@MrMarinus18]

2:30 It would allow the Vong to conquer the galaxy though if a little more slowly. Without a central force no planet can really challenge them. This divided force cost the republic dearly during the opening stages of the great galactic war. It meant the empire could just overpower local defense forces with relative impunity since they never had to fear overexention or a rear attack. It wasn't really until the forces became more united and attack with a large fleet capable of obliterating small imperial units that they started to see victory. In the opening stages the only real opposition was the republic fleet so they had to do elaborate schemes to trap them.

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

I believe that Palpatine's Empire was created specifically to prepare for the invasion of Yuuzhan-Vong. And the Death Star would be super useful to fight the intergalactic invaders. Also giant fleet with militarized and organized economy would also help.

[@OracleOfTheOasis]

Here’s a question for you, how would the Flood utilize the Vong and their technology?

[@forthencholordofadmirals2763]

Fuuuuuuuucccccckkkk I don't even want to think about that

[@thepoetoffall7820]

Fucking hell that’s an endgame level threat.

[@gameoflife9576]

@@thepoetoffall7820 the universe is doomed

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Nightmarish...

[@GlidingZephyr]

What if the Vong ended up finding a way to control The Flood for their own purposes? I wouldn't want them anywhere near each other. Yeeesh...

[@trayolphia5756]

2:10 “most planets wouldn’t have been completely defenceless”...yet we see that the tactic used by the Vong would have meant that most of these planets with maybe one or if luck two capitol ships there would have been nothing against the fleets the Vong brought in.

[@future9er24]

This is by far my favorite rambling discussion video you've made 👌

[@samspeed6271]

Firstly, congratulations on getting married. Secondly, the video, I agree with your analysis. Just after Palpatine 2.0 has been bumped off and Byss has been blown up, straight after Shadow Hand has failed and all the Dark Empire stuff would've been the best time to invade. Both the Empire and the New Republic are on their knees, having lost a lot of personnel and ships in the war. If the Vong invaded, it would be a very hard war for the Empire and New Republic, possibly unwinnable.

[@A-Clear_View]

o cool nice first reply

[@jacobplourde2388]

I think if them appearing thousands of years earlier was on the table right after the sith civil war would have been the best time to attack due to the fact that there were almost no Jedi and no powerful empire or sith empire.

[@mattdarragh1811]

Welcome back, hope your weeding and honey moon (assumed you took it) were amazing.

[@Matej_Sojka]

Congratulations for the wedding. BTW I love how in books one Imperial remnant officer says that Empire would be able to handle the Yuuzhan Vong better than New Republic to which I think it was Han who responded that Empire would have wasted resources building superweapons that would not even work as intended in field while worlds burned. That said, even Vedge said that he will hit the Yuuzhan Vong with the enemy they never had the displeasure of fighting, The Empire. And sent SSD to the fight. So overall I think military leadership would be more effective in Empire, their disregard for population would devastate the galaxy more than what New Republic managed, perhaps even crippling the galactic trade and society.

[@adams13245]

What do you think about Yuuzhan Vong infiltrators and spies? I'd imagine they'd have an easier time getting people to rebel against the already oppressive Empire. That they managed to get the Peace Brigades going against the New Republic indicates they were able to turn people against a much less openly evil government

[@Friendlyneighborhoodguy]

Honestly I think the best time for the vong to invade would be during the phantom menace. Because the only major threats to them would be the jedi and the mega corporations, but even the jedi and the mega corporations would have lost to the vong had the vong invaded during the phantom menace.

[@davidhoopes6863]

Could we get a “Could the galactic empire survive a Doom invasion “

[@mozuesolympian2988]

David Hoopes they wouldn't even notice. It's a entire fucking galaxy. You should pick a single planet instead

[@Azakadune]

just glass the surface lol. gl hf demons. i don't play doom, i might not understand how they work perfectly tho

[@danbrown5736]

I mean is Vader on the same level as Doom Slayer?

[@gardevoir7137]

Vader can take it. He's practically hate embodied

[@bluerobin2982]

@casual complaints yoda has in legends fought a mountain and annihalated it anakin has more midichlorians than him

[@Mercenary-st8ge]

Could you do a video on Supreme Commander, SC:FA and/or Total Annihilation? Their capabilites and lore?

[@nickevans2605]

do you have a podcast or something like that? it seems like this kind of video would be great for that Keep up the great work!

[@JamesJohnson-wq6bs]

Congrats on your big day, Eck! And thanks for coming back with content so fast! Now don't work too hard! :D

[@anakinsandwalker6382]

The Vong would definitely be able to destroy the pre-Clone Wars republic. As you said in the video, the Vong would dominate space, and those who controls space, controls the galaxy. It’s just like if every nation on earth is an island (planet) surrounded by water (space), whoever’s got the strongest navy (space fleet) is the strongest nation

[@cadenponali8883]

Bro thanks so much for these videos I love watching them, the force is with you.

[@Plastikdoom]

I would like to see the Old Republic with Revan and Malik and the mandalorians vs the vong

[@drewmandan]

Starforge = dead vongs

[@orangvii3633]

@@drewmandan "go, my rakatan murderdroids!" -Revan probably

[@jedbalko2014]

Very well done couldn’t agree more!!!

[@trappingoku3640]

#Askeck : Who do you think is more powerful? the Ancients from Stargate or the Forerunner (Halo)?

[@adrastos8401]

Here is my answer, the Forerunners due to numbers and not being idiots.

[@MrMcp1995]

Pre or Post ascension?

[@wilsthelimit]

E N V Y Forerunners

[@thepoetoffall7820]

Forerunner. I’m a complete bystander, but from what I know of the two.... Forerunner.

[@adamorick2872]

Stargate, sorry but forerunners couldn't figure out how to ascend. Nor did they have multiple galaxy wide colonization. Stargate ancients where in at least 3 galaxies

[@wordwyrd]

I love these rambles!

[@ItsDaKoolaidDude]

I still would like a redo with Destiny vs Covenant.

[@Kalenz1234]

Pre clonewars would definitely be one of the best times to invade. Many planets had no defences to speak off. Even planets like Naboo which had a standing army and navy couldn't compete at all with a serious military power. Most systems had only enough ships to stave off pirate attacks. The individual powerful fleets like Kuat, the Trade Federation etc. certainly could protect their own systems but there would be no cooperation between those factions. They would become isolated pockets of resistance, while the Yuuzhan Vong take over most of the galaxy and most importantly take control of hyperspace lanes, therefore not only crippling the galactic trading but outright killing it. Kuat may have infrastructure for ship production but how much food do they produce within their own system? The Yuuzhan Vong would conquer most of the galaxy in a blitz while encircling those pockets of resistance. Then they can besiege the larger ones while they prepare invasion forces to take out the weaker fleets of any resisting systems. Unless the galactic senate manages to quickly unite under a supreme chancellor with granted emergency powers (like during the clone wars) they would be unable to defeat the Yuuzhan Vong.

[@Dethorath]

Who else thinks the Clone Wars tv show would've been even more amazing if it was made in the SWTOR CGI movies?

[@zachgreen4182]

CONGRATS, ECK!

[@chickendrawsdogs3343]

"My Dad makes videos on Star Wars and Halo strategies" - your boi.

[@richardferguson3965]

Always watch the outro. Still one of the funniest things ever

[@Lowlander-ci7is]

Man I'd hate to be the cleaner who's job it is to clean up after those Jedi fights, poor bugger.....

[@nnyz3819]

Congrats on the wedding! Happy to see new videos

[@thehuntingant6357]

Congrats on the wedding big fan

[@fallenknighttyler8695]

For the pre-clone war era ou make a good point about one leader not screwing up everything but it's a double edge sword. With out a central command there is a loss of coordination.

[@Andyfines24]

Anyone else excited for Star Wars Legion Clone Wars Core Set coming out next week???

[@pricewm3]

Congratulations on you wedding man ❤️✨ sending positive vibes your way

[@TheWingland]

What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck

[@MrEcoho]

massive shift in power leading to reach never falling.

[@chaszczek]

Captian cutter and profesor anders saviors and heros of humanity

[@darkbooger]

Humanity would have a cutting edge over the Covenant in any battles those ships were in since humans actually used their brains when learning about alien technology(and not start a Holy War). But the odds of people actually using them are not very good since Forerunner language is still being translated even after the Human-Covenant war, so odds are that ONI would start studying them and implementing technology into their own ships like how the Infinity uses Forerunner slipspace drives. At the very least, humanity may gain an edge in slipspace navigation over the Covenant as well as energy shielding, hard light guns are a stretch considering the technological and power requirements making ballistic weapons more viable. Had they had this kind of technology at their disposal, humanity would never have lost Reach so easily nor would the Covenant have been able to touch down on Earth when they showed up looking for the Ark. Master Chief and the other spartan II's wouldn't have to deal with all the ground troops like we saw in the games and the books.

[@_spooT]

nothing. they wouldn't use it in the first place since the technology on those things have already been breached by the flood. after the human covenant war, the return of the flood was their main problem. it would also be pointless to use the technology or at least copy the technology on board against small forerunner skirmishes since 1) they built that thing in the first place, 2) those are already outdated compared to the more advanced forerunners we see today, 3) the flood would easily manipulate it since they're already familiar with the technology compared to the UNSC's current vessels

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

The Empire didn't dismantle planetary defense force it merely nationalized them. The Empire also did have force users. They had at least as many Inquisitors, Emperors Hands, Eyes and Ears as well as the Dark Side Elite, Prophets of the Dark Side, Shadow Guard and the Dark Side Adepts to match the amount if Luke's Jedi.

[@scottnguyen2820]

Thumbnail has slight error. It should be 4ABY - 20ABY instead of 4ABY - 20BBY.

[@misterballistics]

So, congratulations on the wedding! I'm sure your hands were full with everything, but I noticed an error in your thumbnail. You list the New Republic era as 4 ABY - 20 BBY. Anyway, enjoyed the video as I usually do!

[@lukethegoldenminecart1297]

The Death Star would most likely give the Vong some trouble i would honestly like to see the death star vs a fleet of Yuuzhan-Vong ships

[@Finn_7117]

I think the Clone Wars era because the CIS would piss off the Vong so much that they wouldn’t focus on the republic and the republic could wreck the vong

[@ConCorDian2210]

As I see suggested already, immediately after the clone wars would have been the best point for the Vong in my opinion. Palpatine had control yes but not absolute like he would in years to come. There is no real working superweapons yet like the deathstar, world devs etc. The empire was essentially running Venator and by this point Victory class, the would have had Mandator dreadnaughts yes but nothing like the empire would have later. CiS was dismantled and I'll confess I dont know how easy it would have been for Palpatine to reactivate their droid army to help fight. Obviously the jedi is essentially destroyed and for all they had an element of fear in Palpatine at this point in time he wasnt really at his peak yet. Neither had his new empire had the chance to really take dominance either

[@Darkmoon67]

This vid be right on my bday! Congratulations on your wedding Eck!!!

[@KertaDrake]

It would have been hilariously awkward if Palpatine showed up to save the day for the New Republic because the Vong arrived a bit early...

[@Mage4636]

nice like your rambling stuff it covers alot of ground,great stuff!

[@tescomealdeal9901]

I mean, if the Star Forge survived, the Vong would’ve been defeated in a blink

[@exeaqtorder6645]

I been watching eckhart for a couple of years

[@kenhernandez8128]

Vong were badass but the New Republic could have handled them sooner if it was 100 % on the same page.

[@HARMstudio6]

Congrats my man!

[@Redoren966]

Clone Wars since Jedi in that era were stronger than ever

[@ADDISON6368]

no... old republic was... this fact many times because during clones wars 10k jedi more peacekeepers then warriors in fACT in repblic the jedi more warriors then fucking with was in clones wars much powerful they were more warriors sith was because war none stop... more only 10k jedi in clones war max 12k... but in old repbloc there 10k mostly in 100k+ so many... that just jedi you had sith had around same amount and eteneral empire many factions force users back hundreds of thousands of them not a joke... there fleet better fighters troopers everythi9ng because wars for years and years 100+ years still going forever... so many many dreadnoughts then sith empire star destoryers 100x better star destroyer prob one then wass most all star destoryer 2x bigger more weapons and venter old clones war ventor

[@ADDISON6368]

so sorry no clones were prob second best say because new repblic yes good but start over so it be old republic stand best chance

[@ADDISON6368]

Here another fact which more clones wars They were more versatile in the use of the Force. Especially the 3rd Jedi form of use of the Force, called Alter. Where through sheer will and levels of consciousness a Jedi could basically use the same abilities of a Sith, but without falling to the Dark Side. Learning to maintain a balance between the Light and the Dark. so pretty hundreds of thousands of force users but in jedi there more 50k+ much much more and same sith and all empires too many hundreds of thousands and each one did every sith did but without failing dark side uses things force crush and force status which another force lighting and force choke... which jedi using that to crush someone only robots the jedi in old republic did because war none stop legit warriors.. all force sentive warriors.. even younglins damn warriors...

[@lelkr]

I dont care what video it is of eck i just love the meme at the end. (and his videos)

[@cimcity1863]

Over its lifespan the empire had: 2 Death stars Eclipse 1 Eclipse 2 Sovereign Class The Tarkin The Sun Crusher World Devastators Possibly Centerpoint Station 50+ Super Star Destroyers Hundreds of Battlecruisers i.e. Allegiance/ Praetor variants/ Bellator/ Asserter 25000+ Imperial Star Destroyers Support vessels Endless TIE Fighters and variants The galaxy at large also had many pirate vessels or retired ships from the Clone Wars. It's too bad the Rebels/ New Republic were too good at destroying each of these before they steamrolled the galaxy into submission. There's no way the Vong even consider the star wars galaxy to be a viable target if they saw this much stuff

[@mattwho81]

A Vong invasion would have been a great arc for the sequel trilogy. A weak Republic fighting a merciless invader. Maybe even forcing them to unite with the Imperial/First Order.

[@memelord2793]

Hey man, congrats again, also, I didn't know you had a kid, congrats on that to, I know, late right😂

[@sleepingbackbone7581]

it's never late for good wishes.

[@memelord2793]

@@sleepingbackbone7581 good point pal

[@stefanbecker7394]

Something you also didn't mention about the pre clone wars era was the fact that the clone arm already existed and so did some of the capital ships like Venators and the company that produced them and the CIS droid factories already existed and when pairs with the although slightly incompetent yet numerous Jedi and as the last trump card the sheer force powers Palpitine wielded would have literally meant that there was a massive military force both of technological and its benefits and the biological clone benefits and the sheer strength of a massive all-powerful force wielding Palpitine superweapon.

[@Lee-oi8ol]

The empire still had the Sun Crusher after Empire's End/Dark Empire in 11aby.

[@blackshogun272]

Lee that thing pulled a Naga Sadow every time it shot a Resonance Torpedo. Naga be rolling in his grave 😂

[@leoferegrino9365]

Congrats Ecks!

[@Delta-zy1et]

#AskEck what are your thoughts on the planetary defense forces in the clone wars?How did they work?

[@marrqi7wini54]

Oh this. I really love that idea. Might I add on what improvements should be added to PDF's to increase effectiveness, command structure compared to a centralized galactic military, and what said PDF is and is not allowed to do and have.

[@KingDuckGuy]

Assuming the Vong invaded early into the clone wars, I have no doubt that the Republic would toss them back out. There were a lot more Jedi, several high experienced Jedi masters and a lot more warships/fighters.

[@traviscrum5860]

What is that video with what I'm guessing is the Eclipse battling that Mon Calamari dreadnought?

[@patrickloser7919]

Yeah, i also would like to know where this is from. it is amazing.

[@andresolmos8639]

@@patrickloser7919 i suppose you found it but it's battle of dreadnaughts

[@patrickloser7919]

@@andresolmos8639 i did not. Thank you very much! :)

[@KombatW0mbat]

The vong would have been extremely enraged at seeing general Grevious or Darth vader cutting them down

[@Shrodingers_Box]

I just had a mild cardiac arrest because I watched an ad for star trek Picard and I saw data. Ooof

[@drewmandan]

Apparently Data has decided to explore the deepest reaches of the uncanny valley in his quest to become more creepy.

[@dr.veronica6155]

Kuat was the only single planetary defense force that would have lasted for any time whatsoever against the Vong. Any other planetary defense force is going to be swept aside as an afterthought. The time right before the Clone Wars would have been one of the worst times for them to show up for the galaxy, as there weren't anywhere near enough Jedi to fight the Vong.

[@leglo4996]

If the yuuzhan vong invaded pre clone wars, they would've gone against the JEDI at their peak

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

And the galaxy at its ebb. Jedi are not enough to make up for everything else the Old Republic was painfully lacking.

[@goji253]

I'd argue that fighting wise, Jedi were at their peak during their war with the Sith Empire. After the Sith were gone, they lived too long without a threat.

[@ranger3576]

I feel like the post Ruusan reformation era republic would be the best time to attack. There weren’t as many powerful ships in republic space, and the few that existed weren’t as powerful as they could have been due to restrictions that were placed on them.

[@jesper112183]

99% of my KZbin experience is had while driving.

[@Cavething777]

Love your content as always

[@keatonburton6064]

#askEck What would happen if the Vong had open military aid from the Vagaari during their invasion?

[@chromiiayt3044]

Woah im here for my regular vibe check from Ladder

[@leozao5]

No way the pre-Clone Wars, post-Ruusan Reformation Republic would survive. Not enough capital ships, bad fighters, limits on weapons, size, etc. No proper army, local militaries (that would probably focus on defending themselves)... The decentralized command would generate caos, with a lack of coordination, and fights over what to do and who should lead. No developed military hardware. The Jedi were peacekeepers, not soldiers, like Windu says. They weren't used to fighting high-skill opponents and big battles, like demonstrated during the Clone Wars. Besides, their Force powers would be useless against the Vong. No space superiority, no land superiority, fractured military forces with stronger local loyalties than to the Republic, nonexistent centralized command, weak chancellorship, squabbling and bureaucratic Senate, inexperienced Jedi, light equipment, no recent galactic experience on large scale conflict, no Force advantage, no superweapons, undeveloped military-industrial complex, large and powerful criminal factions, deep divisions between the population and regions... I actually think that might be the very worst moment (for the galaxy) for the Vong to invade.

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

Well said. For some reason people sleep on the Vong. Nobody pre-Empire stands a real chance as they lack tech, numbers, and organization.

[@theazureknight9399]

@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 SWTOR era also would be a very bad time for a Vong invasion. Both the Republic and the Empire were extremely militarized and had large scale battle experience of many decades. Jedi were also more of warriors than they were in the clone wars, most of them even wore armor casually. An alliance between the factions is also not a far fetched thing since that's what they did once presented with simmilar common threats: Zakuul and Revan.

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

@@theazureknight9399 the tech level is a severe limitation for the Old Republic. Shield less fighters, small weak capital ships, undersized fleets, lack of industry, etc. Luke's New Jedi Order may not have been numerous, but it's members were definitely on average more powerful than the Old Republic due to a lack of restrictions on weapon and Force usage. When the Vong attacked Coruscant fully HALF the New Republic's Navy was there and they still didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of stopping them.

[@RikkiTikkiTavi290]

@@theazureknight9399 Versatile was probably a better word to use than powerful I guess. Either way, Luke's Jedi were quite different from all Jedi that came before, in the sense that they rather frequently implemented more Dark side style powers and philosophy.

[@theazureknight9399]

@@RikkiTikkiTavi290 I didn't know that TOR era fighters were shieldless, the more you know i guess. Anyway, just to clarify. I'm referring to the galactic cold war period between the Old Republic and Emperor Vitiate's Sith Empire and not the Great Hyperspace War, at least as far as i know the tech here was already very simmilar to post battle of yavin SW. But idk, i could still be wrong, just wanted to make my statement more clear. Thanks for awnsering!

[@lordcline217]

Congrats on the wedding Eckhart!!!!

[@Drakefance5]

Where were the shots with the Eclipse from?

[@Aracus92]

i Think it was a Sovereign-class judging by the sleeker hullshape, but Agreed, want to Know where those clips come from

[@RPGCast123]

Battle of the Dreadnoughts - A star wars short film on his channel

[@jle518]

I like how there’s a Adam driver ad with Ben swolo as his red carpet clothing

[@OceanHedgehog]

Look at this guy. Gets married and still generates top notch content for us.

[@rebelkommando6166]

Almost 500k subs Eck! Let's goooooo.

[@sG_Paradise]

The old republic era because it had two actual determined armies (republic and old sith) as opposed to the clone wars which only bulit an clone army to fight a war thats so stupid and droid armies that have no free thought nor are they really that smart but the old republic had twoarmies that were filled with war veterans and actual self thinking fleet commanders and ground commanders which is crucial in a war. Also the republic had its cloning base on kamino and all the vong have to do is take kamino out and boom the republic is left without any future reinforcements and the CIS had droid production facilities which once again, if taken out leave the CIS without fresh troops and reinforcements plus both armies are expensive to keep building and outfitting new troops.

[@TheGgrrmanning]

Congratulations Eck! I wish you and your wife all the happiness in the world!

[@TheWingland]

Halo theory idea What if the UNSC had never researched the spartan 2 or mjolnir programs. However one month after first contact with the covenant the UNSC INFINITY and her escort fleet of Autumn class cruisers appear at earth through a wormhole. The ships are fully operational and have manuals detailing how all ship systems, such as shielding and more advanced slipsace, operate and also how to build them for other ships. However it goes not have the spartan 4s. How does this affect the human covenant war? Does humanity win or lose? #askeck

[@chevongrant3589]

Yoooo the Tie Fighters Game throwback!!!

[@Kanati96]

Eckhartdladder: "I speak, you Listen!" Me: 😶 okay

[@colinlane4599]

In legends Palpatine came to Yoda as a sith lord and warned him of the vong and said they should team up and take down the vong but Yoda refused and basically told him get losted. So this is one of the reasons that caused Palpatine to form the CIS to defeat the Jedi and Republic in order to create a force to compete with the power of the vong who were voids in the force making them insanely hard to beat