Why people hate the Sequel Trilogy

[@00Prime00]

The fact that Han, Luke, and Leia didn't have a big on screen moment together is one of the biggest missed opportunities in cinema history.

[@MemesOfProduction69]

Incredibly sad and I'll never forgive them for it.

[@ronanwaring3408]

That it can never happen now is really saddening

[@daruekeller]

yep. that failing. and the entire backstory of what's happened between 6 & 7. and the invalidation of the entire victory of 6. and the character assassination of the main characters. the original actors should have been the main focus, gradually growing the new characters. but yeah. it's all unforgivable, but I still want a personal apology from in this order of responsibility: KK, RJ, JJ for starters

[@grayflaneur4854]

If I had a dollar for every time I have read this seemly obligatory statement, I would have a lot of dollars. It's over. They didn't do it. I don't know what to say.

[@AngryJawa0094]

They should have been recast. The fact that they weren’t was an immediate red flag.

[@ktwei]

The story for the sequel was like somebody writing the story having only heard about Star Wars 2nd hand from another person.

[@TotalDrganMania]

And they weren't told that they would need to write 2 additional sequels

[@Cody-5501]

@@TotalDrganMania then when he comes back to make another movie he does some research by watching the holiday special.

[@chrisreilly1290]

​@@TotalDrganMania you could say that 3 different ppl wrote 3 different stories. Like each one is so isolated from the others

[@maxis2k]

Worse. It was a group of people who had, but wanted to "stick it" to the fans and original creator.

[@RayHardman7567]

Nah, it was like playing telegram on someone's back. Only, by the end it was just a straight line, so they had to scramble for some miniscule type of cohesion.

[@andyh4520]

When Leia walked past Chewie ignoring all of their history, that killed it for me.

[@TheMeta141]

to hug a girl she'd never even met.

[@MyToastyToast]

Look to be fair, Leia got her parents and home world blown up an hour ago and then she’s comforting a guy she just met who lost some dude he barely knew who lived in the desert. And she didn’t give Chewie a medal afterwards. If we wanna critique this, we gotta critique that too

[@adinocc2042]

And they made Carrie lose 30lbs before shooting! Why?

[@daruekeller]

@@adinocc2042 because "the camera adds 30 pounds" 🤷‍♂

[@baron7755]

@@adinocc2042 in "their" defense, its a common thing to do in Hollywood. Mark had to drop lbs too

[@watcherzero5256]

I disliked it for two reasons, firstly the first two films were trying to be a remake of the original trilogy with almost scene for scene re-enactments, secondly it had no coherent narrative and the plot just went all over the place with none of the films actually tying together.

[@ben501st]

It's nuts because despite remaking the OT movies, the run time is much longer without adding anything of significance.

[@watcherzero5256]

@@kibikiwi175 Yeah I agree the final fight was like the fight in the throne room but the rest of that movie was pretty different from Jedi

[@madgavin7568]

The Sequel Trilogy was honestly a cash grab in retrospect.

[@jonsnow9580]

Heavily disagree. You can criticize TLJ, but it certainly is more creative than being a remake of 5. You don’t have to like it for it, but you’ll need to acknowledge it at the very least

[@vaderkurt7848]

@@jonsnow9580”creative” Ya creatively bankrupt and lore breaking.

[@madams3110]

My sequel trilogy was Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command.

[@WillyT-2144]

Right on

[@maxis2k]

This. And it would have been so much easier and more popular if they just adapted that. It shows their ego and hubris that they decided they could do better. And then they ended up copying a bunch of ideas from the EU they threw out. Just doing each thing worse.

[@m.j.e.5245]

@@maxis2k When the sequel released suddenly we werent allowed to talk about "Legends" in most star wars spaces. Thus a lot of good fans have migrated to other things like 40k. Star Wars sucks now and theres no reason to spend any money on it.

[@youngmoneyclutch]

amen brother

[@MrStrangermoon]

ashoka close that they just need big fleet battle. Dark empire comic ı think better squel. Espcially last book of bad luke clone idea weaker than dark empire luke and young clone emporer.

[@TheManFromWaco]

It still boggles my mind that Disney never had a proper plan for the Sequel Trilogy. They paid $4 Billion for a franchise known for its deep, intricate lore and didn't even think it was necessary to have clearly laid out the basic structure of the 3 movies that were going to be the cornerstone of their efforts before diving in. That's a fan-fic writer level mistake. While I think George Lucas "played it by ear" in the OT more than he lets on, that was because he had no way of knowing his indie SciFi film project would get a third movie until "Empire" made bank. Disney made a long-term investment with zero long-term plan. A staggering, completely unforced error.

[@shadowslayer205]

It was doomed from the start, Disney really decided to buy a live action film franchise despite live action production being their *weakest* point. It'd be like if Spike Lee bought a sitcom franchise and tried to make a gritty action movie out of it.

[@dermagnus8482]

It was no error. They did it on purpose.

[@ligmasack9038]

Lucas is just as culpable, because he knew how absolutely worthless K.K. is; yet he still kept her around. Don't forget that he actually gushed over her crappy movies and defended her sh*t.

[@Blaze-kh4pw]

The OT ended up being pretty coherent because it was originally supposed to be a single movie, before it was realized that the whole thing would be at least 6 hours long, so the idea was divided by three

[@joehenry9546]

It’s simply because a non creative hack by the name of Kathleen Kennedy is in charge. She has no idea why Star Wars was popular to begin with.

[@Kakirinkato-san]

Bad writings, no new and creative ideas, bland and no character growth and used the same storyline just like previous installment. The saddest part is when they massacred our hero, Luke's character into an useless in despair island hermit/hobo because we old fans all knew how Luke was in the EU books, novels before

[@craigmoffitt2374]

Code speak for racism.

[@gayanudugampola8973]

​@@craigmoffitt2374Wtf are you talking about? Is this bait? What does race have to with it? I'm 22 year old Sri Lankan and I hated the 8th and 9th movies.

[@Justinian-IV]

@@craigmoffitt2374 Code speak for you being a bellend?

[@pablosoleramaeso4561]

It was literally Dark Empire but worse.

[@lukeluke333lukeluke]

Pretty much said what I would say. Its just sad what they did to the original heroes... I never will forget how much praised Force Awakens received and I watched the movie and was left question how people liked it? Sure the new character were decent but the original heroes all were batched and ruined...

[@lesigh1749]

They clearly had no overall plot arc for the trilogy, they don't join together or flow well. They jettisoned the plot progression of the original trilogy, resetting everything to the bad guys ruling the galaxy and rewinding solo and Luke to pre hero status. And worst of all, they never brought the legacy characters together for a single scene, and wasted them one at a time.

[@ashfox7498]

Literally, nobody planned out how the three movies were going to connect and Rian Johnson grabbed the wheel and slammed the series into an iceberg because you didn't expect that, did you ;3

[@lesigh1749]

@@ashfox7498 Oh, subverting expectations is TIGHT!

[@WMFilms25]

@@lesigh1749I’m gonna need you to get ALLLLLLL the way off my back here.

[@GetDabbd0n]

Don’t forget the total neutralization of Anakin’s sacrifice when he killed palpatine.

[@philippschwarz4539]

@@ashfox7498 What's worse is RJ has shown he can be a good director as evidenced by his other projects. It's like he had a grudge against Star Wars, or had never seen any of the previous movies in the franchise.

[@alimfuzzy]

It's demented that they spent $4B and never had a plan on how to use the property.

[@gman7497]

Biggest problem by far, 4 billion and had no idea what they wanted to make and for whom.

[@TheProjectVoid]

Main Trilogy: Made for Everyone Prequel Trilogy: Made for Fans Sequel Trilogy: The Force is female.... yup

[@aarondevaldez9134]

I hate the Disney Trilogy's disrespect of original characters. I hate the way it cheapens all the sacrifices and character development from the six movies. It thrusts the beloved original characters into miserable, failing lives with premature, ignominious deaths. I hate what a poorly written Mary Sue Rey is.

[@Wien1938]

Captain Marvel - hold my beer, peasant.

[@chris_c1701]

Well put. You can have new characters. They can be heroes. But don't disrespect the characters that came before, that caused us all to fall in love with the universe to begin with. Look at Ghostbusters: Afterlife for a way to respectfully pass the torch.

[@BluuBarryAllen]

Star Wars was never good so who cares😹😹

[@markveres7369]

Me too

[@lyianx]

Agreed. And it sucks because i never put any of that on to Daisy herself like some did. I knew it was because of the shit character writing.

[@ThePC19996]

0:53 :"My son went as Kylo Ren, but he would have gotten Darth Maul if it was available." All you need to know.

[@tereninsecundus6084]

His thought-process should have stopped there, and this video should have been scrapped and done in a vastly different way.

[@jared1964]

I’m lost, what did he say that was bad ?

[@tereninsecundus6084]

@@jared1964 The admission that even his kid wanted to go as Maul, but that costume was not available, so he got discount-maul-at-home, Kylo, instead. Prequels beat the sequels in every possible way.

[@OwentheKingofDudes]

"Why people hate the Sequel Trilogy" Because it's bad.

[@cliffcorson4000]

It sucked so bad it might as well be called Dyson

[@eliberman9956]

Somehow people don't like it

[@PostprandialTorpor]

Just like command and conquer 4

[@251spartan]

@@PostprandialTorpor There is no C&C 4 my friend, last game of the Tiberium Timeline was Kane´s Wrath.

[@wallaroo6510]

That's the simple answer

[@TheMAZZTer]

My main problems with the sequel trilogy is twofold. First of all, Episode 7 was the "safe" one that retold ANH. The problem is to do that, you need to wipe out everything the heroes accomplished, and not only that, but do it off camera. Empire crippled? Nope new Empire. Death Star destroyed? New Death Star. Emperor and Vader killed? New ones to replace them. From the moment the text crawl opens Disney has sabotaged any chance the sequel trilogy had to be good by disrespecting everything that came before it. The second point is... it's not a trilogy. That implies some sort of cohesive story. Instead we get two directors fighting over who Rey's parents are. And finally in Episode 9 someone must have realized they forgot to make it an actual trilogy with an overarching story as they try to bring back Palpatine to wrap it all up. As you said a lack of planning, but the problem runs deeper. It feels more like a lack of respect and a desire just to make a cash grab. And also as you said nothing with Palpatine was even hinted at in previous Episodes so it feels shallow. Not to mention they make Palpatine look like an idiot when the prequels built him up to be a master planner and manipulator.

[@lukeluke333lukeluke]

Agree. There a great video on KZbin that describes the sequels as "Anti-Trilogy". It really sums up the issues with each movies.

[@BoneistJ]

It doesn't even retell ANH. It tacks on the 3rd act from ANH for no reason to a different story with a bigger death star and then demands you clap for it.

[@ruycalderon8507]

I disagree with your assertion that Episode 7 "Put Star Wars back on the map" Star wars was never off the map, that's why Disney had to spend 4 _billion_ dollars to buy it. It was essentially idiot proof, and the fact that the sequel trilogy made Disney their money back despite being mediocre sci fi movies (at best) is testament to that.

[@jaieregilmore971]

It was just false hype.

[@cdyjv118]

The box office performance didnt make them their money back. It was all of the merchandizing and brand recognition

[@leonsixt2744]

fan fics have better writing than these disney failures.

[@intergalactic92]

They’ve always been mediocre Sci-fi, right from the start. Difference is you aren’t a kid anymore.

[@joehenry9546]

With that amount of money LucasFilm spent on the TV shows and wrote off on that Star Wars themed hotel, I’m not positive Disney made that 4 Billion back yet.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

We hate the Sequel Trilogy for two reasons. 1) it is Garbage. 2) it spit in the face of ALL previous Lore.

[@HGShurtugal]

They are corporate garbage. I wish George Lucas had put Star Wars in the public domain.

[@praeamble]

I've thought about that a lot. I don't think I could have turned down those billions of dollars if I was in his shoes, but making Star Wars public domain would have secured its legacy and made Lucas a legend for generations to come.

[@daruekeller]

@@praeamble my thinking is that rather than fully Public Domain, a Foundation could be setup, that only individual natural humans can buy up to one share in. That share reverts to the Foundation if the Person dies and remains dead ;-) That way everyone interested can be involved, and get a vote on appointing a Board, etc. The Foundation also can govern high level 'degrees of cannon' issues and story narrative coherence within various Cannon Continuities. the Original Six are the Core Cannon Continuity. Others can branch off that. So Disney sequels can be placed in their own divergent continuity that Producers can license if some Producer wants to make another 'thing' in that continuity. Two or three CCs for the original EU stuff. and now room for a real set of sequels, with the Original main characters recast.

[@mpnuorva]

And anybody being able to do Star Wars would stop the corporate garbage how exactly?

[@Avariice2299]

​@@mpnuorvapassion bro. It leads to greater things than you may think.

[@HGShurtugal]

@mpnuorva because anybody could make a starwars movie/book/game.

[@Amarok410]

for me, when i watched the trilogy. I watched 5 planets burn and felt nothing I watched a squadron of bombers be wiped out and felt nothing I watched the largest ship be broken in a heroic sacrifice and felt nothing I watched the biggest space fleet on screen appear and felt nothing the story gave me no reason to care about the events. and the characters in the story were likewise barely affected by the events.

[@NateLeePhillips]

The whole universe felt disconnected from itself, which was antithetical to the one George Lucas Special Edition replacement scene I truly enjoyed - the views of all the different worlds throwing off their shackles and revolting against Imperial occupation at the end of Return of the Jedi. The bombers were so stupid because Y-wings exist with much better armament, shielding, and maneuverability, and could have been modified to carry much more ordinance without becoming sitting ducks The only things I thought after the Holdo Maneuver were "Wow! That was awesome!" "Wait, couldn't a droid do that?" "Why don't they do that more often?" Lando's fleet in ROS was pretty cool, I must admit, though it had a sort of Deus Ex Machina quality to it.

[@austink.5827]

I mean, I felt the same about Order 66 in the Prequel Trilogy. Literally no reason to care about any of the Jedi being killed, other than "They are Jedi, this is bad."

[@shocktnc]

​@@austink.5827Except you actually meet the Jedi and learn about them, you understand the depth of the tragedy taking place-

[@austink.5827]

@shocktnc only three members of the Jedi Council in the entire prequel trilogy that have lines are Yoda, Windu, and Mundi. And, even then, they exhibit little to no personality. So, no, you don't really get to know the Jedi and understand the tragedy. Heck, there's a Jedi character during the Order 66 montage who gets shot down on her speeder and I still can't even tell you who she is.

[@astrolord_ad1245]

Episode 9 killed off the last of the Skywalkers. Palpatine’s granddaughter survives. THEN Mandalorian and The Bad Batch had to invent “…how Palpatine returned” It turned the Skywalker saga into the Palpatine Saga.

[@takuid]

F bad batch. noting but a retcon machine, just like its predecessors.

[@sonicdash9652]

Thank God I never wached Mandalorian. And I never will

[@NoCluYT]

@@takuid Bad batch is a decent show. However I hate how it's being used to try and make sense of the sequel trilogy

[@zshah3107]

Live long & Suck it!

[@gabriellopesguimaraes3513]

​@@sonicdash9652 your loss missing out on a good show

[@emperorred99]

My dad, og star wars fan and the reason I’m in this fandom, was so excited for episode VII, cheering at the opening crawl. But by IX he was totally apathetic towards the movies and I honestly don’t know if I’ll ever forgive Disney for doing that to him. He does love rogue one though.

[@Chris_Thorndyke]

Poor Dad. The hate towards the Last Jedi ruined all the momentum for ROS. The first two sequel movies were decent but the third one kind of ruined everything.

[@BrickinRidiculous]

@@Chris_ThorndykeI agree TFA and TLJ are good but ROS brings the trilogy down

[@shadowflux894]

Rogue one, Solo, bad batch and mandalorian (not the book of boba) were the good things Disney did with the series, even if solo was a little lack luster for a lot of fans. Everything else is undeniably trash of the worst magnitude

[@SeniorChief9]

What do you mean "Sequel Trilogy"? Last time I checked, there's no official adaptation of the "Thrawn Trilogy".

[@why5567]

that’s legends cope harder

[@SeniorChief9]

@why5567 My friend. That's the EU.

[@generalyoda8325]

@@why5567 Bro could not take a joke😭.

[@ealan3694]

@@why5567 Doesn't change the fact that the story of Heir to the Empire is 50 times better than the slop we got from Disney. Reality bites huh?

[@speedflashanimations221]

@@ealan3694i think they are gonna adapt that story with Ashoka setting up the movie So hey look forward to thst ig

[@IceManHG117]

You lost me when you said you don't mind what happened to Luke.

[@SpaceCase1214]

Yeah, me too.

[@SephirothRyu]

He lost me when he failed to mention every single tactical gaffe, and just how horribly written space battles were. Like, really. The Star Fortress is an incredible ship. Despite basically being in the ABSOLUTE WORST SCENARIO FOR IT, a single one out of, what, a dozen or less? Managed to get through with no real escort (the so called escort didn't do anything until the bombers themselves were already taking heavy fire) AND while flying stupidly close to each other (destroyed bombers tended to damage or destroy nearby ones too, AND they probably blocked each others defensive fire arcs, which are important since they clearly had first time pilots as their "escorts") and destroy a dreadnought single-handedly. Seriously, it is harder to find a WORSE bomber mission in fiction OR fact. And yet it SUCCEEDED DESPITE THAT.

[@Nukefandango]

Luke deciding the Jedi order was a huge failure is actually cool. I initially thought that he would be the founding member of a new order of force users (people who would call themselves "Skywalkers").

[@jaieregilmore971]

@@Nukefandangonah it was dumb had he forgotten the Jedi kept the galaxy safe for thousands years it was not a failure.

[@billybob7135]

​@Nukefandango My issue with Luke's conclusion is that he judged the Jedi for being beaten by Palpatine. He didn't critique the dogma, or past mistakes from the EU, or anything that nullified their accolade of peacekeepers.

[@chainsawlizard9528]

I hate the sequels, not because of what was done, but because of what _wasn't_ done. There are several dozen books, well over 30 movie's worth of content in Star Wars Legends, but all of that was thrown out for *at best* subpar movies that barely have any narrative cohesion. If the movies were completely unattached to Star Wars, they'd be decent. There was so much they could have used: Thrawn's campaign against the NR, Palpatine's dark empire, the stuff with Nataasi Dahla and the attack on Luke's Jedi Praxium, the ENTIRE Yuuzhan Vong War, the struggle against Abeloth, the war against Darth Krayt. I can go on and on, but they chose NONE of that, and went with something that smothered any chance for even a third of the Legends content to make it into the canon as it is now.

[@Jetsparx373]

Disney could have easily just played everything safe and just adapted the old expanded universe books like the new Jedi order, maybe the yuuzhan vong, or better you could have just adapted the Star Wars legacy books were there more loosely connected to the original trilogy and focus on the descendants of those characters.

[@Arphemius]

No, they're not even decent as standalone movies. They are so incompetently written it's unbelievable.

[@Jetsparx373]

@@Arphemius As a aspiring writer myself, I wholeheartedly agree, and I had to sit through the literal asinine stupidity that was Darth Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi. I came out of the theater completely bewildered, then got filled with rage... I didn't even bother going to see Rise of Palpatine.

[@ghostplasma5590]

Would that really fix the issue though? I feel like people would still be mad becouse adapting one of these stories as a sequel trilogy would mean everything else is not canon and pretty much is treated like the old EU was treated with the exception of ONE specific story. I personally think that making star wars sequels was impossible and had George made them they would still be the weakest trilogy he did for that reason.

[@gman7497]

​@Jetsparx373 at first I thought, " eh maybe that's a bad approach, but then I realized that the Harry Potter movies were wildly successful just by followig the original books. In leiu of an inspired idea for a new continuity, that might very well have been the way to go

[@emperorholocron8278]

I think my biggest grievance is with Luke and Anakin’s treatment. Luke’s whole purpose is to be “A New Hope” for The Jedi. In ROTJ he saves the day because he didn’t grow up with that Jedi indoctrination that blinded his masters but now to have him end up almost EXACTLY like they did when he should have ELEVATED The Jedi to have Rey claim it instead feels like a slap in the face?

[@GAJake]

I agree, luke in the mandalorian/book of boba fett and the sequels is just not like him.

[@doomslayer9138]

Simple BECAUSE THIS TRILOGY THROWS EVERYTHING THAT THE OTHER TRILOGIES DID IN THE TRASH

[@ericthomas7791]

I have no faith in the future of Star Wars. I’ll just grab legends books and comics and enjoy those but everything post George selling doesn’t exist to me whether it’s good or not. I just don’t care for anything new in Star Wars

[@BrianSmith-ql5nj]

Not till its free at least👍

[@madgavin7568]

The franchise might get a resurgence, every popular franchise does at some point. The only question though is when, it might be decades before that happens.

[@lyianx]

The Thrawn trilogy is what the squeals *should* have been. But they would have had to do them like 2-3 decades ago.

[@madgavin7568]

@@lyianx The biggest obstacle to that might have been Harrison Ford, since he didn't like playing Han Solo. Plus, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fischer noticeably aged come the 90s.

[@Warsie-Fan]

I'll never forget the opening night of 'Attack Of The Clones'. Me and the bros (all SW buffs) went and where excited. During that gawd awful love scene with Natalia Portman's stupid dialog, the stranger in the seat next to me had brought his girlfriend. Everyone was silent and she blurted out "You guys actually like this sh¡t?". I almost died laughing 😂🤣😂🤣

[@ChampionofVardenfell]

Yeah, even as a kid that scene was cringey as hell. Natalie Portman's incredible cleavage got me through it though. 😂

[@Warsie-Fan]

@ChampionofVardenfell She's a keeper 👍

[@BlackDiamond2718]

@@ChampionofVardenfellfor me it was the payoff with the jedi and the clones

[@draketheduelist]

I still maintain AotC is the worst of the prequels. Some say TPM, but TPM in my mind is a film of low lows and high highs, and it feels wrong to jettison Darth Maul for the sins of Jar-Jar. People can and will forgive stupid so long as you don't overtax their mercy (...TLJ). But AotC is a boring slog. The plot flows like an episode of _Law and Order_ because it largely shares the same framing device. You don't watch _Star Wars_ for a detective procedural. Unlike TPM, the most memorable scenes were memorable for all the wrong reasons.

[@NateLeePhillips]

@@draketheduelist eh, I thought the slog through the cringey romance and procedural detective scenes was worth it for the massive Geonosis battle

[@stwbf2729]

I think people hate the sequel trilogy because it’s bad, but idk tho.

[@ninjalectualx]

The prequel trilogy is also bad, but that's become accepted. In 20years when Eck's kid is an adult the sequels will be accepted without much question either

[@shadowki497]

The prequels are bad but in a different way, they have more nuggets of decent ideas in them and things that look cool, there is a coherent story though it's not well done at least it is there and flows into each film then ties to the original trilogy. The sequel trilogy doesn't have anything at all going for it, it is just bad, then gets worse with each episode after. Episode 7 was just a terrible rehash of Episode 4 with bits of 5 sprinkled in. I really doubt SW will be remembered by kids that grew up with the sequels, they will probably just remember Marvel and the MCU or some other show/movie.

[@eragonbromsson1122]

@@ninjalectualx Regardless of their flaws, the Prequels added very cool and vital elements to the Star Wars lore and story. The Sequels added nothing.

[@ninjalectualx]

My point is that the prequels are considered good and normal movies now. That's insane and was beyond unthinkable 20 years ago. The unthinkable will happen again with the sequels in the exact same way.

[@madgavin7568]

@@ninjalectualx In 20 years the Sequels will be forgotten about. Nobody remembers soulless movies.

[@hmon661]

They destroyed all the potential between Rey and Finn after TFA. It just became a total fanfiction afterwards with hints of Reylo Tumblr posts.

[@aenemia82]

Yea, I don't know why they decided it had to be just one Jedi this go round. They could have had a duo. Finn was easily the most compelling of the new heroes and he was just sidelined for episodes 8 & 9. What I thought would have been cool is if Finn and Rey saved Kylo but Rey was captured and Ep 8 ended alluding to that Snoke was going to tempt her to fall. Then the final battle in Ep 9 was killing snoke and saving Rey (possibly with Finn or Kylo sacrificing themselves to do so).

[@aidanfedorochko3728]

I don’t think while there is serious hate, I think it’s more so people felt disappointed. It started off okay but was divisive with 8 and then 9 feels like a mess. It’s disappointing because we know they can do better because they made Rogue One.

[@daruekeller]

naw, I legitimately and fully HATE the sequels. They're not even sequels as far as I'm concerned. 🤷‍♂

[@ChampionofVardenfell]

The only reason Rogue One was even halfways decent is because they were constrained by the pre established cannon. They weren't able to stray too far and do too much stupid stuff because all the events and players in the timeline both before and after were already set in stone.

[@RandomPerson-tz7wk]

Rogue one did bend the Canon a bit. The last ending, where vader saw the exact ship that flew away, caught it later, and the Princess tried to play dumb.

[@ChampionofVardenfell]

@@RandomPerson-tz7wk That's a fair point!

[@batboy555]

I'm indifferent to it. Badly written and boring.

[@supsup335]

Man, you sound either tired or fed up. You ok man?

[@Giantspaz]

I always thought with the Force Awakens we could give that one a pass, as it's a return to Star Wars, despite its faults. But they completely blew that goodwill with the Last Jedi, and it just compounds from there. I'm glad your kid liked Kylo Ren. He had a neat design of someone trying to be an imitation of Vader. But as someone who also wanted to enjoy it, I can't.

[@asherailevant9485]

The sequel series is literally A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi but with new characters. Nothing new happens, it's all the same plot.

[@brianjl7477]

That's really the most valid criticism. The similarities are a bit too much. That doesn't necessarily make it bad, and it's weird that people hate it for not being "Real Star Wars" when it's pretty much by-the-numbers Star Wars.

[@udhavbhatia6424]

​@@brianjl7477 it is just the OT but worse with nothing new, an incoherent story, really bad related media (resistance, didn't even know why first order cared for that junk of a station if they conquered the galaxy in a week and their opposition was just dolor store rebels) and characters whoose story I don't care about

[@MandalorV7]

It’s Disney remaking the original trilogy and saying the original trilogy characters were failures. You could go from the prequels to the Disney trilogy and you wouldn’t miss anything by skipping the original trilogy.

[@SephirothRyu]

I will list MY reasons. -HORRIBLE TACTICS. Like, this is actually worse than the rest of it. Wow. Basically everything involving starships is the worst battles and lore ever. And that is before we get into some of the invented tech that just attempts to TRY to explain things. I am a starship guy. -A worse version of bringing Palpatine back. I get the issues with bringing him back and agree somewhat, but... The Legends version with the Eclipse, Galaxy Gun, and even the World Destroyers was better. "Somehow palpatine returned" is a meme because people don't like more than just him coming back. -Did I mention tactics, because yes, that is what led to me not even watching the third movie. Oh, and I saw all kinds of lore about the Xyston class. Its basically if someone was told "no, you cannot have the Sun Crusher. We have a Sun Crusher at home." Pan camera to the Xyston.

[@aralornwolf3140]

My reasons... 1. Contradicts the Lore 2. Contradicts itself. 3. Plot is contrived. 4. Plot is so contrived that any amount of competency by the characters will ruin the movies. I checked out of the trilogy when the Red Beam of Death destroyed Not-Coruscant. Its only reason to exist was for Fin to say "Oh, yeah, there is a system destroying weapon that the First Order has that I never mentioned despite having plenty of opportunities of doing. I haven't mentioned its existence because for plot reasons it needs to be a surprise to you and the audience. So, General Leia, I'll mark its location on your plot."

[@zshah3107]

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[@averageviewer6279]

nothing creative at all from it, the only slightly diverging plot of the Last Jedi did too much character assassination to be accepted.

[@agahnim0196]

I don't know about "the people", but personally, i hate it for 3 reasons: -They unceremoniously killed off the main trio without a proper "passing of the torch". -The overarching plot was a jumbled up mess with no cohesive structure. -The return of to the ANH status quo at the beginning of TFA, making ROTJ feel like nothing accomplished by our heroes even mattered.

[@DrSleepless]

Bringing back Palpatine was absolutely inexcusable. I can't agree with the mental gymnastics you just performed, but I _am_ impressed.

[@ledinyourwalls]

They also brought Palpatine back in legends too

[@speedflashanimations221]

They are kinda setting up and trying to set the ground up for palpatine in other shows before rise of skywaker

[@arcusmc]

We hate it because it's a ridiculous story with terrible acting, horrible writing and disrespects real Star Wars fans and George's vision.

[@robertbell307]

Actually, the acting is the best part of the sequels. You can see the actors are giving it their best. Opposed to the prequels the actors struggle in every scene with Lucas's dialogue and directing.

[@ealan3694]

@@robertbell307 So the actors get an A+ for effort. Great! Doesn't help that the screenplay and story suck.

[@robertbell307]

@@ealan3694 Yeah that's a lot of what I feel about the prequels and sequels. The only difference is that Lucas clearly had a vision in mind. Even If I don't agree with it. It was HIS vision. No corporate suits giving notes or other bs. While he did care about the fans. He didn't write the films to outthink or tell them he knew best. Like JJ and Rian.

[@azurefire-91]

I've never understood the whole "disrespects Star Wars" fans critique. I feel like Lucas did us a worse disservice when he digitally altered the OT.

[@ealan3694]

​@@azurefire-91 When we say "disrespects Star Wars fans," I think that is more pertaining to certain people at LucasFilm and their extremely poor interactions with fans, to include making fun of and laughing at them, disparaging them, some of the most prominent members in the Star Wars community at that, just because they didn't like the feedback fans were providing. Suffice to say, I think Lucasfilm should have had a blanket order on their creative staff, to not discuss things they were working outside of official press statements, ect. and most certainly, not act act like they did when they were speaking to fans. Lucasfilm dug that hole all for themselves by being complete sorry excuses for human beings. Notable indivduals being Rian Johnson and Pablo Hidalgo come to my mind, I think there are others. It doesn't take a genius to know, you don't alieninate your paying customer base and expect to continue making money. And now as a result, Star Wars is verging on cultural irrelevance, because nobody really cares any longer. Fans could have accepted poor quality entries to the franchise and hope for a better future installment, but the real kisser is when Lucasfilm representatives come out and poison the wells even further.

[@Isaac-rz2hs]

My biggest problem is that I'm just apathetic to most things Star Wars at this point. I used to spend hours watching deep dives into Star Wars lore. I don't anymore because it feels like it just isn't worth even knowing any of it anymore. Disney will just change anything to suit their needs at the time, and any deep cuts they do use are no better than memberberries moments. The only thing interesting about Star Wars is the discourse around it.

[@iamsnakemaster]

If Palpatine had been revealed to be disguised as Snoke in Episode 7 right after Kylo betrayed him, people would have lost their minds. Kylo and Rey fight the red guards and then boom the iconic Palpatine laugh echos in the chamber. He does evil guy things, blasts both of them with lightning and then Luke appears in his X-wing. He blasts the space howitzers then lands in a hanger near Palp's gloating room. An officer distracts Palps with the news and Rey takes the chance to run. Kylo chases after her while Luke is going all one-man army towards them. The three meet up, Luke tells Rey to take his ship, has a heart-to-heart with Kylo and refuses to fight him. Luke says his destiny is to fight the Emperor like his father before him. Rey and Kylo have a comedic moment trying to fit both in the X-Wing and Luke faces Pals again. Cue epic lightsaber fight that ends with Palpatine blasting everything with Force lightning, destroying the Supremacy in the meantime. Luke dies here. Rey and Kylo make it to the Raddus. Kylo is almost shot but Leia stops everyone. She can sense Kylo is changed but still allows him to be restrained and put in the brig. Everyone watches the Supremacy blow up and there's a cheer. Then they get a transmission. It's Palpatine announcing his return with a fleet in the background. End movie.

[@tangero3462]

Keep it up as you're doing now, I don't really see an issue with the state of the channel. We're very much in a winter of Star Wars stuff anyway, I don't see much use in going too production heavy when the wider interest is somewhat low. Honestly if you do decide to do some higher effort stuff, I'd like to see it on the "and more" side of your title card and explore some other sci-fi properties that might not get a lot of love, not that I presently have any recs for that. I've appreciated the casual tone lately, though, it's been nice for taking a quick break from work and watching what amounts to being a podcast clip. Your editor is doing great, the background content is plenty fine for whatever is being discussed. It genuinely floors me that the sequels feel like they're dreamed up as they were going rather than having a solid road map. It's like when you're making a poster in grade 1 and you get to the other side of the paper with a whole word left to cram into the space of a couple letters. 7 is given a little too much grief by folks, yes it's a little too tropey and safe but it was a great setup for the rest of the trilogy. They of course then squandered that completely, but I still see it fondly. I think it lends itself to rewatching far more than the rest.

[@jayburn00]

Logic breaking things like hyperspace skipping also played a role. Its like saying their universe no longer has the same rules.

[@joshmcdonald7472]

Episode 8 spends almost 45 minutes of screen time with an animal cruelty aside to find a guy who was immediately rendered pointless. How could you possibly say 8 was the best?

[@alanbland1976]

TLJ is a lot like TPM to me. There are elements in each movie that I really like. But there are long stretches that add almost nothing to the movie and were thoroughly mediocre. Or are out and out bad choices. Both movies would be decent with large editing cuts.

[@chrisreilly1290]

It was very disjointed. The story left a lot unanswered but so did the rest of the trilogies. But the other trilogies wrapped things up much better. Each of the 3 stories can be completely isolated as if 3 ppl came up with an idea of what the sequels should be. One thought it should be just like a new hope. One thought it should be a cat and mouse game. And the other thought Palpatine should be back.

[@facedeer]

I'm not watching any movies that build on or lead into the story of the sequel trilogy. If "they're never going to de-canonize the sequel trilogy" means that all future movies will do that, then that just means I'm done with Star Wars.

[@kinterviewer9592]

100 percent this. It doesnt matter what happens next for Disney Star wars, anything thays even remotely good will be for null and void as said events will still lead up to the sequals.

[@251spartan]

Im Staying in Legends, that is the Star Wars i grew up with, and of the "Star Wars Disney" im taking what i like, and the rest can rot in the corner for all i care

[@Rexy-Shark1]

to me it just felt like they where making movies to justify buying the property, the movies had some good parts, a lotta mediocre parts, and a whole lot of missed potential

[@heylolp9]

I feel like, as much as it's playing the content game, AskEck might work well as a shorts format, getting in more people through the algorithm

[@NIX-FLIX]

I’d say it’s the inconsistency in character motivation and bad story

[@JumpingJiraffe]

I don’t have an issue with the editing. To be honest I rarely look at your videos I just listen while doing other things

[@samirabdel-aziz478]

I hate the sequels because they took the character development of the OT and the things that Legends established and tossed it out. Han is a hero of the New Republic? No, he and Leia have a son, but he goes back to being a scoundrel well into his 70s. Leia is a head of state and ushers in a New Republic? No, she becomes a rebel leader. Luke is supposed to establish a new Jedi Order that learns the mistakes of the Old order....nope. That's Rey's job now. Luke was supposed to be the first of the New, instead he's the Last of the Old. His destiny becomes that of a bitter broken Old man. Now, no hate if you liked the sequels. If you liked that version of Luke, good for you. I was okay losing Legends if it meant getting to see new interpretations of the best of Legends. Instead it felt very much like the studio wanted to take the character arcs Legends had given to our main trio and give them to the sequel trio. And it's insulting.

[@ledinyourwalls]

They a perfect opportunity to at least do some fan fare, having all the main characters from the Ot meet again but no. Han dies in the first, Luke in the second, and Leia the third, also Lando just exists for some reason. Id bet real money that they'd kill either Lando or chewie off if they make that rey film

[@brianmarshall1762]

There’s this channel that does a lot of Star Wars fanfare along with some other fantasy stuff. They did a short the other day which had a great sequence about the story line. AFK if you haven’t heard of it. Great channel with a great sense of humour.

[@brianmarshall1762]

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[@drgoremd]

LOTR Ep. 1: Here's what the quest is; here's who's involved; here's why they were chosen and what special skills they offer; here's how they plan to achieve their goal; here's who the villain is; here's his motivation; here's his backstory; here's his plan. The Force Awakens: IDK, you figure this shit out.

[@reubenmcguinness2508]

The merchandise for the Disney trilogy is the most undersold in SW history but the OG and prequel stuff is still selling.

[@derekconstantino7759]

Because its awful. No other words need to be said

[@Generalfund]

5:32 - Bro, there is no way in hell the Rey movie ever gets made.

[@ease-l5330]

Didn’t they just cancel it

[@Generalfund]

@ease-l5330 that is what I heard

[@browngirlinaclownworld2077]

Right. She just defeated the ultimate evil. All sith in one person. What on earth could they have her do after that???

[@KisellEk1424]

The main problem of the sequel trilogy is the violation of the canon and the fragmented narrative. The main characters are actually bad too. Ray is too lucky and powerful as Darth Vader's uncanonical student Starkiller. Luke Skywalker is ill-justifiably distraught... Ben Solo is good, but still his initial motivation for going to the dark side is not well-reasoned. So for me, episode 7-9 is almost a legend rather than a canon.This is not the Star Wars I've been waiting for. Episode 1-3 showed saga growing up. But 7-9 it's a degradation.

[@madrabbit9007]

I one hundred percent agree with lack of planning being the problem. When the script for 7 was finalized, 8 should have been in the early draft phase and 9 in bullet points. The director for 8 wrote his own script and JJ did his best to clean up the mess dropped in his lap.

[@Anon33467]

Because the plot is nonsensical and every character they develop is wasted.

[@DeannaGilbert616]

I don't think I'll ever watch Rise of Skywalker again.

[@Molfra]

Day eleven of asking Eck my question: #AskEck Why do you think the pirates kept grogu, there was quite obviously a bounty on him considering all the hunters with tracking fobes and I doubt they wouldn't have known about it, so we're actually protecting him. My theory is that after he was saved after the purge, so senator or rebel group hired these pirates to protect him, but was eventually captured by the empire or forgot about grogu, (why he was never given to the new republic after the war), and the pirates not knowing he was a jedi just kept and raised him till mando showed up, killed them and stole their kid.

[@Krishnath.Dragon]

My main issues of the sequels are twofold: Terrible writing and bad direction.

[@UpcycleShoesKai]

Mann...they put Wedge Antilles in a ball turret....blasphemy

[@azurefire-91]

Count your blessings. He was supposed to be the guy who dies at the beginning of Episode 7.

[@Jacob_267]

ain’t no way this man just said 8 is the best

[@dieterhorvat5176]

How to fix the SEQUELS: A wild renegade uses the World between worlds to escape the future and change events, because the YUUZAN VONG have arrived and completely dominated the future after all forces are diminished from fighting each other. This renegade turns out to be a slightly older (slightly crazier) Rey. (Maybe she arrives during the events of Episode 3, because everyone loves that one, and they can still pull from the Original trilogy.)

[@zshah3107]

Why not the Grysks also?!

[@hdl3044]

The prequel trilogy didn’t tragically mishandle our favorite characters. Maybe there was a way to explain or justify their decisions, but that requires careful planning they clearly didn’t do

[@reidveryan9414]

Lucas had a basic story idea from the getgo. Disney didnt know what the heck they were doing or what they wanted except they wanted a Mary Sue. Well, they sure got their Mary Sue.

[@AlessandroRodriguez]

5:05 Well, you can't decanonize something that doesn't reach canon level on the first place

[@hylianglitchmobber7570]

Just high budget fan fic as far as I'm concerned

[@eloquent_redneck3719]

I've been loving these q&a videos, and honestly the visuals don't matter to me much I just like to listen to these while I do chores and such

[@PROGAMING24-pe2ye]

The Sequel Trilogy has some cool character models. Sith Troopers look sick :)

[@trollerpilotxiv3079]

My problem with the sequel trilogy is that it feels irrelevant in the grand scheme of the series. It's too far removed from the first six movies; it almost feels more like a parallel universe version of the original trilogy than a direct sequel.

[@ltrey33]

Episode 8 cut Star Wars to the jugular. The rest has just been bleeding out.

[@nobodyknows9937]

The original films were inspired by a lot of things kind of mashed together - westerns, WWII dogfighting movies, samurai flicks, some vague eastern philosophy etc. The sequels draw on, well, just star wars. It insists upon itself.

[@daltonsmith4823]

Episodes 2 and 3 problems were to much with little exolanation but clone wars animated series really fill in the gaps and makes me appreicate the prequels more

[@darkmystic7764]

Episode 8 is by far the worst of the sequels. I really hate how stupid it is and how it hates its own franchice.

[@BrickinRidiculous]

It’s better than ROTS though

[@nicoledreamcr4666]

My other self in different timeline is having a blast watching Thrawn sequel trilogy in IMAX

[@paulsteinhauser434]

The disney trilogy was DOA before it even started.

[@kaynawests262]

The original legends canon showed the evolution of the characters. We saw them grow, we saw them love, and their offspring fulfill their legacy. The disney canon threw that out and instead created a trilogy based primarily on profit.

[@codys6409]

As someone who was so excited for episode 7, I found it insulting. It was poor remake of 4 made by people who didn't care about the IP. Rogue One might be the only really good thing Disney has contributed. Totally agree on the lack of planning. They have no vision for the long term story and it shows.

[@Aichi1138]

"There's a lot of people who feel...whatever about it" No, Screw that. I'm pretty decisive on my hatred of what they have done with 7 8 and 9. And will continue to say that there is absolutely nothing better they could do for the franchise than saying "We are sorry We screwed up" and remotnng them from canon, Anything less is a continuing insult

[@pbh9195]

Believe it or not i can actually forgive most of the falts of the sequel trilogy But it's their senseless decision to resurrect the emperor that crossed the line for me because undose so much

[@kyleroussel]

The lack of planning is not a good look, especially with the benefit of hindsight. I think Lucasfilm liked the idea of bringing different creators to the table for one primary reason: in the aftermath of the Disney acquisition, they did not want to name one person as the architect of the sequels. They desperately wanted to avoid the narrative that Abrams / Johnson / Trevorrow is the next Lucas. So they opted for a brain trust, and prayed that sheer talent would win the day. Oops. Personally I like the sequels, but I do recognize that they have a number of serious flaws, and I definitely feel the tug-of-war between creative ideas took a toll on the story....hence the need to plan in advance.

[@tatepalmer1997]

Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.

[@GuardianTactician]

There is a KZbin channel out there called "So Uncivilized". And the creator there made a video called "The Star Wars Sequels: An Anti-Trilogy". That video sums up most of my gripes with the sequel trilogy, better than I can in a KZbin comment. In brief, I'll say: The sequel trilogy that Disney made, paid no attention to the lore in the books, choosing to invalidate it instead. There was so much that Disney could have done to take the established lore and move it forward, but instead they decided to write their own script. They didn't give the fans anything that they might have wanted, and instead dialed up the spectacle by having one planet killing superweapon destroy 5 planet simultaneously from halfway across the galaxy.

[@WolfclawTheGreatwolf]

Appreciate you addressing the issue of your videos lately, I have been a vocal critic I won’t lie but I haven’t stopped being a fan, and I’m glad you acknowledged it

[@0Defensor0]

I think that "the apathy never was greater" is actually true: in the '80s there was nothing new really, and in the 2010s there were some games and mostly books. And the Clone Wars of course, but that was aimed at TV kids specifically, not at the general public. In the Disney era however the lack of interest is combined with a flood of new releases on every possible channel - yet most of the people who called themselves "fans" for the previous decades just don't care anymore. That is what Disney managed to achieve.

[@aarondevaldez9134]

The Disney Star Wars Trilogy is Sexist A favorite argument used by Disney shills is that Disney Star Wars Trilogy detractors are sexist, and cannot bear the thought of strong, leading female characters. Nevermind our collective adoration for the likes of Ahsoka Tano, Fennec Shand and Princess Leia, to name but a few. Disney shills also maintain that the "Sequel" Trilogy empowers women while, at best, ignoring the aforementioned. This writer would assert that the Disney Trilogy does nothing to empower women, moreover that it is tarnished by some of the most disappointingly sexist writing seen in years. Rather than allow the leading protagonist, Rey, to undergo the normal Hero's Journey -or any significant character development, for that matter- Disney saw fit to create a character who was perfect from the beginning. At best this overcompensates for American cinema's long history of sexism, and at worst, deflects from it. Whether through negligence or by design, the Disney Trilogy's writers infer that women cannot grow into great characters and still be significant. On the contrary, Disney implies they must already be perfect in order to be considered significant. By extension, rather than having to work for anything, Rey is handed everything on a silver platter: Anakin's lightsaber, the Millennium Falcon, Luke's X-Wing… the very Skywalker name! She didn't have to work for anything. Then there's Kylo Ren. He's a mentally unstable, immature, mass-murdering fascist, yet by some contrivance Rey falls in love with him even though he tortured her! This further detracts from female empowerment by indirectly stating that a female character must have a love interest, subconsciously conveying the antiquated -and sexist- idea that there's a man behind every successful woman. Rey is also far from innocent, gaslighting Kylo Ren throughout the series, then literally shipping herself to "make up" with him! To summarize: Disney shills are the proverbial pot calling the kettle black where the issue of sexism is concerned, and this writer theorizes they only do so in a thinly-veiled attempt to delegitimize our point of view. This writer expects better of Disney, the company who delivered female-empowering messages through Brave, Tangled and Moana! For shame, Disney, for shame.

[@KamenRiderGumo]

Oh, yes....the Disney Wars characters are SO popular. People love them so much that their toys are lining the shelves at Ollie's and Big Lots across the nation.....

[@kevi-bear]

lol the only good prequel of Star Wars is Rogue One

[@robertnelson9599]

And it's not even a sequel.

[@Jason49110]

What about Solo?

[@ealan3694]

It's a prequel, not a sequel. It's the only Disney Star Wars installment that is still worth anything.

[@RayHardman7567]

Isn't that a prequel?

[@BoneistJ]

@@Jason49110 It would have been fine if it was it's own thing, but as a prequel for Han, it's not good.

[@zebulonalbers816]

Honestly it’s not a lack of quality or anything like that, I’ve just had a decrease in interest in Star Wars. As a result I’ve just not been watching Star Wars KZbinrs as much as always have

[@WolfX1120]

#askec Do you think it would help the Star Wars franchise if the Using Bong was successfully brought back to Canon??? And if so, would it be better as a TV-show or as a new movie trilogy???

[@martins.4240]

Did you Use Bong when you wrote this comment, or did the autocorrect screw you over?

[@WolfX1120]

@@martins.4240 I don't know how to spell, I'm severely dyslexic, So the whole sentence is essentially auto -generated... I basically speak into a microphone, and then run it back through the natural reader, and correct small errors along the way, if it sounds good to my ear that's what you get to see in the spelling.

[@martins.4240]

@@WolfX1120 Okay, fair enough. I just thought it looked like the kind of funny mistake an autocorrect would make.

[@WolfX1120]

@@martins.4240 Technically autocorrect did make that mistake ;3

[@lurkndog]

Their dismissal of the New Republic alone makes the sequel trilogy non-canonical to me. They also write off the new Jedi order offscreen. It's a bad decision, but having it happen mostly offscreen in a flashback is inexcusable.

[@jullianharshaw8612]

No no no Sidious being the big bad is so played out, Rey should have been trained by Luke to be a Jedi learn of her Palpatine lineage, turn to the dark side, use Finn as a sith sacrifice, challenge & best Kylo for his position & set up a Palpatine dynasty that sets up more movies

[@IGotThisGeorgeLopez1]

The Sequel Trilogy was missing everything that inspired Star Wars

[@biostemm]

There should have been a consistent through-line of Finn dealing with his trauma from being a storm trooper, discovering his force powers, and eventually becoming a still heroic & noble Luke's student, culminating in him becoming a prominent leader in the new Republic. Have Rey be non-force-sensitive, but still a highly skilled tinkerer and pilot. If they wanted to still bring in some "modern day" subject matter, go with a romantic relationship between him and Poe, but keep it tasteful and serious...

[@sihilius]

I think we can agree, that even though JJ Abrahams loves his mystery boxes, George Lucas knew way better how to use them.

[@zagray2305]

Oh my god when you said your son was six I nearly died I can’t believe I’ve been subscribed for that long

[@GuyFernandez-h1j]

I hate the sequels because all they did was slowly kill off our hero’s without giving us a true reunion and to add insult to injury they made everything they did in the original movies seem meaningless and gave them all depressing unhappy lives.

[@joerents7902]

Ill save you some time. They sucked 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@NOSHER]

I don't view it as a trilogy,three disjointed movies made by those not understanding the property

[@Tgungen]

The main character of this 40 year old franchise literally dies from nothing for absolutely no reason at all, just because Rian Johnson thought it would look cool. It truly felt like watching footage of ISIS destroying ancient artifacts.

[@dy031101]

The Sequels are just JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson making the scenes they want to see. That would have been fine if they were doing their own new IPs, which unfortunately the Star Wars isn't.