EdgeTX Easy Wireless Trainer Setup for Everybody with DSM, AFHDS2, and D16

[@Retset]

Very useful and well explained. The fact it can be done with a radio like a Spektrum is really fantastic.

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

Yep, it certainly is! It means that after buying a truly competent $200 Radiomaster (or other) Multi Protocol Radio you can still get some use out of your $600 Spektrum radios by giving them to the kids to kick around. 🤔😜😁

[@RCVideoReviews]

Thanks! Glad you found it useful.

[@Retset]

@@theoztreecrasher2647 as a bloke with a DX9, which I used to love, sitting in its case, no longer used, your comment gave me a good laugh 😂

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@Retset LOL! Aw don't worry. I've got a stack of money tied up in stuff that I shouldn't have bought! 😂

[@Mr89Falcon]

@@theoztreecrasher2647 😂🤣👍🏼Right??!!

[@bitogre]

I think a key difference between channel and stick is that with sticks, the student radio does not have to have model specific information as it effects the inputs on the master radio. Channel on the other hand bypasses the mixes on the master radio and the channels received are copied to the masters TX. There is a way for you to get the extra channels when using Sticks trainer mode. For both the Input and Mix screens, you can select any trainer input channel as a source for any input/mix. They are labeled "TR" followed by the channel number. So TR1 is student channel 1, TR5 is student channel 5, ... I think the TR sources always provide the student channels in case you were using that for controlling a camera pan/tilt or other such functionality so use activation switch when adding to mix/input. I prefer to use sticks so my trainer radio does not need to have model specific config.

[@williamcox3852]

Nice job John. Very informative snippet. Since I got into rc airplanes a few years ago, I struggled when I went with a Radiomaster 16S. You have been a great resource to learn everything I need to know about programing the radio. Keep up the good work.

[@RCVideoReviews]

Thanks Bill. Always happy to help. Glad you're becoming an EdgeTX Ninja!!!

[@Graiguenoe]

Great help, you really give very clear instructions on how to get the most out of Radiomaster radios.

[@RCVideoReviews]

Thanks for watching!

[@bsr3280]

Ps if you have upgraded your radio from open TX to edge TX make sure you upgrade your internal module KZbin video Module update recommended. How to flash radio master TX 16 Multi protocol module in edge TX posted May 2, 2022 Once again you’re the man. Cannot thank you enough.

[@RCVideoReviews]

You're welcome. Glad to help.

[@chestergt7765]

Awesome. I was gonna work on doing this for a RC car. I've been using my TX16 to drive the car because I have ERLS on it but it's hard to control. So I've been wanting to hook up a RC car controller as a trainer and keep the express ERLS

[@RCVideoReviews]

Pretty cool use case!

[@chestergt7765]

@@RCVideoReviews it's really cool. You can get GPS speed and telemetry. I'll be posting up a video in a month about it. I'm pretty excited about it.

[@michelpetrus]

This is really a great feature. I hope that it will be possible in the future to do the same thing with ELRS. Ie having a student radio with ELRS and using an ELRS external module.

[@EastCoastLtd]

I have two TX16's, both are four in one with no external module... Can I still bind to a plane with the master and then set up the trainer like you are showing? I ask only because the master here is using an internal module to bind to the aircraft...

[@randyjohnson735]

For other folks like me who came over from spektrum, it should be noted that you can pair the tx16s to a dx8g2 without the need for a second tx module in the bay of the tx16s. The gen2 spekys contain an rx and tx that function simultaneously. However, the speky has to be the master and you will have to let the student handle your tx16s 😞

[@jamesmoore9008]

Thank you for this information as I’ve been trying to find the answer to this. My instructors all use newer Spektrum and I plan to get TX16Smkii 4in1. Was wondering if I needed an external module.

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

@@jamesmoore9008 Probably would be worth the very reasonable cost of the External Multi module. That way you could hand your "Instructors" the TX16S to evangelize the poor silly Spektrum suckers. We really do have "God on our side!" 😈😜😂

[@jamesmoore9008]

@@theoztreecrasher2647 I did end up getting a TX16smkii. Everything works great. I would have felt silly spending more after seeing how well it works.

[@RichieG66]

Interesting that you noticed frsky trainer signal lost issues. I see that as well at the field. I have a TX16 mk1 and the trainer port is useless as well. Going to try using a student flysky tramsmitter...

[@RCVideoReviews]

The sbus trainer option works well with RXs connected to AUX1 or AUX2.

[@cmtebruno]

Hello. Ive got a tx16s and a tx12. Both are internal express lrs. Trying to get them connected to teach my wife. How do i do that withe these radios? Believe im gonna have to buy an external module.... Thanks John

[@Mr89Falcon]

Thank you SO much! You have just solved my only reticence with moving to the Radiomaster TX-16s: The ability to train others wirelessly with Spektrum. This is why I am happy to support you as a Patreon...you multiply my equipment investment value exponentially, as I would NEVER be able to figure this stuff out in a lifetime! I'm sure that this will not be as simple as you made it look but looking forward to the challenge. Two requests, though: 1) Can you make a Spektrum-specific quick video, since there are so many of us converts from Spektrum, and 2) Are your trainer plane STL files available somewhere? that is a VERY cool training/learning aid that you have there. Just brilliant stuff!👍👍👍👍

[@RCVideoReviews]

Not likely for the Spek video for a number of reasons…not the least of which is that I don’t own any Spektrum gear. Here is a video explaining the RCVR-1 model: FREE: RCVR-1 How to Download and Setup 3D Printed RC Airplane Demonstration Model kzbin.infopnnZsoIRyGM?feature=share

[@Mr89Falcon]

@@RCVideoReviews Thank you! Promise I won't monetize the files;-)

[@bsr3280]

I have the DX6 and this video works perfectly for spectrum. Spectrum is DSM 22ms, you may have to purchase a external DSM for your Radio master tx16s (master radio).

[@Mr89Falcon]

@@bsr3280 Thanks a bunch! That is super helpful to know!

[@bsr3280]

I have DSM in the list But I do not have DSMRX on the list?

[@leemiles3995]

For some reason, my signal from the trainer transmitter is super laggy and keeps on jumping around, making it unflyable. do you know how to fix this? I have a T antenna on my external multi module, and am using my internal ELRS to communicate with the model.

[@sotm6078]

Can you show how to get more than 4 channels in Trainer mode??

[@bsr3280]

You are the man! This is awesome!

[@RCVideoReviews]

Glad you liked it!

[@garyarmst]

Great job, John!!! Question: If I'm using two TX16S radios, do I have to have the external module?

[@RCVideoReviews]

You need three transmitters. 1 Student to Master 2 Master as RX 3 Master to Model

[@SnTu9743]

Great video, we were trying this today with two "out of the box" TX16S 4in1 " and did manage to bind them together. But we couldnt bind to the plane from the master. Do we have to use an external module for external bind? Or is it possible with no "extensions" addons. Greetings from Norway. Keep up the great work

[@ora3132]

@@RCVideoReviews will it work also with 2 ELRS based transmitters? (radiomaster)

[@rayzhang-q1m]

thanks for video. i want to ask if i have two different radio but all edge TX, such as TX16S and pocket , can i use the trainer mode,thank you

[@RCVideoReviews]

Yes.

[@Ard1400]

Thanks for the great video. Is there a possibility to use the Expo settings of the Master transmitter? instead of the Student? I have connected a joystick to my transmitter as a student, but it has no Expo setting options.

[@RCVideoReviews]

You’d have to experiment. I don’t know. I know the master rates are used. Not sure about expo.

[@bsr3280]

And it keep flashing Module update recommended?

[@markbiddle8182]

hi all, has anyone else had issues with one module nocking out the other one. I have a tx16s 4 in1 connected as multi/trainer to a student Radiomaster pocket. I have a Elrs module in the JR bay but as soon as there are both active I loose the trainer controls. i have tried different rx protocols which has slightly differnet effects like constant trianer recovered to trainer lost. Thanks

[@saxonrc]

Great video! Thanks!

[@RCVideoReviews]

You're welcome!

[@Yogenh]

Can you use a Spectrum transmitter as a trainer with the TX 16S as master

[@RCVideoReviews]

If you have a TX16s with MPM, you can use the wireless function between the MPM and Spektrum TX for the student. You will also need a TX16s to model radio system of course.

[@JK00JK]

Yes. I was able to do it, but I had better luck using the internal radio as the DSM_RX and I put the other radio in low power mode to get a bind. That will reduce control range, so I'll probably disable low power mode before actually flying if it doesn't cause the connection to drop.

[@FS_Performance]

I don't have the Trainer Option shown in 4:20.

[@RCVideoReviews]

You have to have your multi-module turned on for the option to show.

[@FS_Performance]

@@RCVideoReviews It was on, but know I have found the option in my case the option is called "DSC PPM In/Out". Anyways thanks for your help.

[@witodeclown]

Hello John, Really like your trainer mode with the internal module it works perfect with the FrySky Xlite and a TS16S. But can you use it with the pan and tilt together on trainer mode so you can flight together. I use the headtracker project with the Arduino Nano 33 BLE. Can you run 2 trainers ad the same time or is there another option to use both.

[@RCVideoReviews]

I don't understand your question. You can't run two trainers on one master at the same time as far as I know. You can send from the trainer to the master any channels you want based on the trainer configuration. So if you want a pilot an co-pilot where the pilot cares for flight modes and sticks, you can do that while receiving pan and tilt from the co-pilot. I'm not sure if this is what you're asking. In any case, please join discord for follow-up. KZbin is not good at the inevitable back and forth I see coming with this question. Invite is in the description.

[@witodeclown]

Yeh I will try thru the co-pilot the pan and tilt. Thx

[@NealM07]

Hello . . .I have a question that I've been struggling with for a couple of days . . . . Can this be used to set up multiple models ?? So that a student can fly 2 or 3 different models using this method?? ie. can you have 2 or 3 models set up on the student transmitter and have them all binding to the same TX16S (that's set up in RX mode ?? ).... Thanks . .

[@theoztreecrasher2647]

Of course you can. Just set up a new model on the student radio for each model you want to fly. You will want to use a different receiver number for each model in the settings otherwise (at least if using the FlyskyRX protocol that I am familiar with - no experience with Spektrum) the bind for each additional model will drop the previous binds.

[@kosolh]

Very useful. Thank you.

[@RCVideoReviews]

You are welcome!

[@bsr3280]

Followed your video to a T worked on EdgeTX 2.9. /. I cannot get it to work with. EdgeTX 2.10.4 I am using radiomaster TX 16 S both radios express LRS and internal 4 in 1

[@RCVideoReviews]

If it worked prior to 2.10.4 and not with 2.10.4 you need to open a ticket on the EdgeTX github (Issues) and let them know.

[@bsr3280]

not sure why change the hertz on Xpress LRS lowered to 50 Hz it hooked right up no problems a few days of trying everything else.😅 I really appreciate your help and everything you do and all your videos. Ps I also have a Traxxas truck with Radiomaster MT12, I had to change the hertz to get it to hook up to the ESC, which gave me the idea to try it on this.

[@rockyprivratsky5692]

Well, copied all this and used the external 4 in 1 module as my DSM- RX Trainer transmitter for the master. The external transmitter module will not bind the other TX16S internal 4 in 1 module on DSMX auto? Any ideas?

[@RCVideoReviews]

Join discord. Invite is in description of every video I post.

[@rockyprivratsky5692]

Okay. Just accepted the Discord invitation, but I cannot post anything? Says I’m not on the same server?

[@ilgeq9062]

I have a Multiprotocol module on my FrSky X-Lite Pro, which is on OpenTX 2.3.15 ,but I can't select Master/Multi in the Trainer Mode selection. Is this only available on EdgeTX?

[@RCVideoReviews]

Sorry, but I left OpenTX some time ago. I don't have it on any of my radios anymore, and I don't use FrSky either. So I'm afraid I'm not much help on this question.

[@ilgeq9062]

@@RCVideoReviews I can now confirm that it only seems to be available on EdgeTX or OpenTX versions higher than 2.3.15. Thank you for your quick answer though!

[@RCVideoReviews]

Appreciate the follow-up.

[@paololonzi]

Work with all the tx16s? Or only mark ll?

[@RCVideoReviews]

It'll work with either one.

[@JK00JK]

Thank you for this and your older video on the same topic (kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9lpunaMaGaKM) - between the two I was able to get my TX16s working in buddy box mode with an old Spektrum (E-flite) MLP6DSM. I wanted to share a headache that had me confused for a while. In your other video, you off-handedly mentioned using the internal 4-in-1 module as the receiver, until trying that all of my binding attempts had failed using the external module as the RX. All of the documentation suggests this doesn't matter, so I think the issue has more to do with the antenna position, using the same protocol for both (DSM) and possible receiver de-sense (overloading). Keeping that in mind, low power mode also may have helped overcome this. You mentioned some issues that you thought had to do with being too close, I'm curious if spacing the radios out resolves this or if it's the proximity of the *modules* that is the issue. I'm going to try running a coax cable to get one antenna further away. The other big thing I noticed is the latency. The "Student" controller experiences notable latency in the controls that isn't there on the Master. I'm curious if this is less of an issue with something like ELRS or another protocol. I've found complaints about Spektrum Buddy Box mode having high latency even in official Spektrum controllers with cable.

[@kool-k-kel]

great job, thank you

[@leemiles3995]

I can connect a second transmitter to my tx16s via DSM_RX, however I also only have dsm receiver in my model. Unfortunately, my tx16s has an internal CSRF protocol, so I cannot communicate with the model. Is there any way to receive and transmit via my multi module at the same time?

[@RCVideoReviews]

Do you cannot. Wireless trainer requires two discreet RF links: Master to Model and Student to Master. If you use MPM to connect student to master, that's it. The MPM is now used and cannot be used for other purposes. You could connect your CRSF transmitter to model and that will work. Alternatively, see this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnbdaYqJrb57fZY

[@leemiles3995]

@@RCVideoReviews Ok, thanks for the help anyway. I was planning on getting some ELRS receivers anyway for some new models, ill just use them to set up the buddy box.

[@leemiles3995]

@@RCVideoReviews Ok, so I have gotten an ELRS reciever, which should be able to bind to my internal module on my tx16s, whilst I use dsm_rx for the buddy box on an external module, however, any time I enable CSRF on the internal module, the master radio loses and gains the student radios signal every second, constantly disconnecting and reconnecting. The buddy box works fine when I am not using the internal module. I am also not bound to the ELRS receiver. Do you know what I am doing wrong?

[@JK00JK]

@@leemiles3995 I strongly suspect having the two antennas so close together is causing de-sense in the receiving module, it's the same logic that some planes can't bind if they are too close to the radio. I plan on re-positioning the external antenna with a coax cable. You could also do that with the internal module if you've modded it to have a removable antenna. Just make sure to use the right coax. 2.4GHz over coax can have a lot of loss. I'm going to try it with 3 ft of RG400.

[@mabbs2757]

Q : is there anyway you could have the trainer having a switch to control who's flying the model ? As my friend I'm teaching likes to fly with his own transmitter and drone THANK'S ...

[@RCVideoReviews]

Sure….make him the master radio.

[@mabbs2757]

@@RCVideoReviews Thanks but how do I switch it from master to trainer when I'll be on the trainer transmitter ?

[@RCVideoReviews]

The master controls who’s flying. You can’t have it both ways.

[@davidlorentzen602]

That would be so scary giving the student that decision power over who controls the model.

[@NiCadHeliPilot]

Awesome work, here. Looks like I won't need to throw my old Spektrum DX7S out after all. I'm gonna go ahead & bench test this setup where my DX7S is the Student's Controller & the Instructor's Controller is my RadioMaster TX16S Max Edition, & see how that turns out. =^/,..,^=

[@RCVideoReviews]

Thanks! Let me know how it works out.

[@NiCadHeliPilot]

@@RCVideoReviews Yea, I gave it a go, last night. It didn't work. My guess is it's because my DX7S is way too old (it's from 2011). Even though it has both DSM2 & DSMX protocols, I guess it has outdated versions of them. Yet... funnily enough, I had no problems binding my RadioMaster TX16S to my Spektrum AR8000 that's in my T-Rex 500 ESP 3G (both of which are from 2011, also).

[@RCVideoReviews]

The RX option is DSM. Is DSM2/X supposed to be backward compatible? Did you use the auto mode? I don’t know much about DSM.

[@NiCadHeliPilot]

@@RCVideoReviews Auto Mode is not available for the DSM_RX protocol on my RadioMaster TX16S. It's only there if I have it on its regular DSM mode. I was trying to have my RadioMaster setup as the Instructor's Controller & my old DX7S as the Student's Controller.

[@RCVideoReviews]

I see. Guess it has to be DSM then. Not DSM2/X.

[@JonoRob]

that's cool, thanks

[@RCVideoReviews]

No problem!

[@sodjazero]

Does the version of edge matter ?

[@RCVideoReviews]

The protocol comes from MPM, the Master/Multi option comes from Edge. Not sure when they were introduced to either.

[@skelethornbro]

This is awesome ! Can this be done automatically? I mean, if master centered the stick then it will use student channel, if master move the stick then student will be ignored, will be quicker in case of emergency but of course after using a switch to activate the trainer.

[@RCVideoReviews]

Radiomaster WT01 Wireless Trainer Setup with Quick Takeback on EdgeTX and TX16s kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmSTnZyfeKmLj7s Just use the logic shown here.

[@skelethornbro]

Wow thanks! I thought it was impossible.

[@BBFPV]

FS2A_RX works terrible! Specially with my Turnigy EVO

[@RcBuddy]

👍👍👍