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[@grfrjiglstan]

6:11:44 "What did you want him to say, 'save my mom'?" _All 4 icons light up instantly_ YES!

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

This reminds me of Karl Marx. I mean, this reminds me of EFAP #4, when Patrick Dumbass Wilhelms said "the alien titty monster is my favorite new addition to the saga" or whatever the f he said and all four icons lit up with insatiable laughter for 45 seconds.

[@cherrychocolate1434]

​@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic My first thought was EFAP #93, where CinematicVenom said "Do any of these characters have any... well, character?" And all 5 discord icons flashed as they started screaming about the audacity of his statement.

[@MistbornTaylor]

When all the icons light up, you know it’s going to be good.

[@miep3934]

@Dominic The Donkey Which one? I'd like to see that?

[@archstanton9073]

@Dominic The Donkey For nough reason!

[@raymond-reviews]

“He’s more of a clown to me, I don’t hate him.” - Mauler

[@tatelangdon5370]

Yeah A clown with a dead daughter so funny

[@raymond-reviews]

@@tatelangdon5370 Bro why you got to do that?

[@schioppi7260]

@@tatelangdon5370 i think that there are a lot of clowns with dead relatives, are they not funny anymore?

[@tatelangdon5370]

@@schioppi7260 yeah its funny cause he has a dead daughter most likely died from seeing her dads shit movie i don't like Snyder

[@schioppi7260]

@@tatelangdon5370 oh

[@diazinamon2431]

Efap defend Cosmonaut, the ultimate twist you never saw coming

[@latviandragon2718]

Well just like with cosmo, efap is wrong about bvs

[@scottski02]

By the Don, they'd better not be defending Diabeto next

[@RebornVengeancex]

talk about alternate universes

[@diazinamon2431]

@@latviandragon2718 Nah, BvS is pretty terrible. Still the best of Dceu so far though

[@YourPrivateNightmare]

IT SUBVERTED MY EXPECTATIONS I APPLAUDED IT FOR BEING DIFFERENT

[@Sonofsun.]

Lex: blood of my blood wouldn’t hit me. Also Lex: my father hit me

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Clearly he was adopted.

[@nsanenbrane53]

But how did it make you feeeeeel?

[@itbesilly4544]

So, that wasn’t his biological father.... The plot thickens...

[@RorytheRomulan]

cue: Pearl Jam, "Jeremy"

[@zainebamfo2077]

*Insert dog meme*

[@thorthewolf8801]

Says get a life when he is so bothered about the existence of Mauler that he starts shouting. Interesting.

[@iivin4233]

As so many critics of the Efap crew say, we all should just allow each other to have our emotions. That includes you and I and Mauler and Mauler's angry little critics.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@iivin4233 maybe if we let them scream their lungs out, they can think clearly.

[@fluff6811]

@@iivin4233 It’s condescending at best and hypocritical at worst

[@alonivercuthalion9902]

I'm actually going to be replying to that Tik Tok. I was going hard trying to defend Mauler in the comment section but man, the people on there just take Dumbsnapplefacts at face value.

[@thorthewolf8801]

@@iivin4233 Oh he is certainly allowed his emotions, its just hypocritical to say that Mauler should get a life when he is upset over something on the internet. Maybe he should take his own advice.

[@Wolfbroa]

When you are learning to drive a car it’s fine to drive into a building full of people because it’s all part of the experience.

[@MistbornTaylor]

It was your first day of driving school.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

It's the thought that counts.

[@TrajGreekFire]

Furfag

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

You didn't know cars could transfer their momentum unto other objects or people, and you didn't know buildings could collapse. Because, you know, you're only 34 and have been living on the planet for 34 years.

[@Neo2266.]

@@TrajGreekFire Weeb

[@redbigun]

"The Dark Knight is safe." I wouldn't consider a movie that ends with Batman taking the fall for Harvey Dent's crimes and becoming public enemy #1 to protect Harvey's legacy a safe movie.

[@AwesomeEnterpriseInc]

But that doesn't change the film-goers impression of Batman at all. We see the whole thing from his [Batman's] perspective. So yes, a safe movie. They can write the conclusion however they feel like.

[@Claudiurogojan1234]

@@AwesomeEnterpriseInc so the movie called the dark knight, who do you want the perspective to be from, commissioner Gordon. By that logic, Ben Hur is safe because it’s from Ben Hurs perspective.

[@anutshell2426]

@@AwesomeEnterpriseInc maybe if the film-goers aren't paying any attention to the movie outside of surface-level stuff. Your favorite superhero just agreed to lie to millions of people, he covered up crimes committed by Harvey Dent, to get the job done. He also spied on those same people to get to that point. This is not Batman killing bad guys like in Burton's films, where's there's lesser moral question to be raised. This is Batman defending a killer and lying to innocent people.

[@melancholicwriter56]

​@@AwesomeEnterpriseInc Naaah, I wouldn't say that, Batman didn't even need to take the blame for Harvey Dent's crimes, the Joker's already done a lot of shit, they could've just pinned a few more deaths to his name instead of blaming it on batman.

[@antona.1327]

@@melancholicwriter56 someone had to take the blame for Dent's crimes in order for Dent's Act to be legitimatized and have the staying power of keeping organized crime behind bars. If Dent's true nature was to be revealed, his work as the DA would be in a trash can. Pinning everything on the Joker wouldn't work because there are witnesses who saw where the Joker was at the time when those crimes were being committed, including his abduction by the SWATs at the end, which wouldn't make it logically possible to blame the death of Dent on him. So Batman and Gordon had to either tell the truth and let Gotham's mob reign free again, or come up with a solution.

[@SirHat]

"Man goes to get a milkshake and there are many obstacles" Two men go to get White Castle.

[@nhagan001]

I will never forget that moment in “Harold and Kumar” where Neil Patrick Harris is doing coke off a hooker outside the sunroof of their car.

[@greyCI5]

There are no milkshakes!

[@jmaster2855]

They brought it up and my wretched mind thought of Paul's hyperglycemia in Paul Blart: Mall Cop.

[@matthewmilam6578]

@@pyerack no need. The movie exists.

[@Leotheleprachaun]

Two pretty dense guys wake up from a night of shenanigans and can't find their vehicle

[@blizzardregulus]

As enjoyable as Batman Forever was, I had a huge issue with Two-face flipping the coin till he got tails. His entire character is that he has to disassociate his own decision to the coin whenever he encounters any conflict between his two personalities, which is actually why Two-face doesn't ALWAYS flip the coin. If both Harvey Dent and "Harv" (his violent alter ego from his origin episode in the Animated Series) agree on something, they just do it. That's why he flips for Batman when he knows he's Bruce, because Harvey is Bruce's friend and he doesn't want to kill him. The mental trick he's doing is that he's placing all responsiblity on the coin, not his actions.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

That's interesting. I didn't actually know that.

[@blakemccartney1068]

Great point, the idea that a split personality would use a third party (the coin) to solve their disputes as an objective method is a fascinating concept.

[@HerohammerStudios]

Wow. Yeah, that's fucking lame

[@kingawesome5219]

I have watched J Reviews do a retrospective on the DCAU I’m surprised I haven’t heard that take on Two-face

[@bijibadness]

you feel the movie where Jim Carrey grabs his crotch, to the camera, and it's accompanied on the soundtrack by a loud cartoon whistle / "bong!" sound effect didn't necessarily reflect the nuance of the Batman characters properly? because I'm not sure I agree. I dunno. maybe. like, what about the part where right before Carrey throws a green plastic bomb (also accompanied by, yes, a cartoon "whee" slide whistle sound effect) he does a sort of baseball pitcher wind-up and the music starts in on that old-timey baseball "bup-bup-bup-bup" batter-up music? wasn't that a pretty good representation of the _feel_ of the Dark Knight? still no??? oh, you're crazy. you're nuts. you're looking much too much into it, man. what did you _want?_ a good movie? with _Batman Forever_ I feel it's irredeemable, since the movie has the GALL to take itself seriously in parts. at least with _Batman & Robin_ it was virtually wall-to-wall batshit insanery. I'll take RIDICULOUS over RIDICULOUS *and* PRETENTIOUS, man.

[@IntelligenceBuild]

Cosmonaut: Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a Longman. MauLer: What about side by side with a Massive? Cosmonaut: Aye, I could do that.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Literally watching return of the king as we speak... Will catch this EFAP in the unlisted zone...

[@cherrychocolate1434]

@@greatclubsandwich5612 This EFAP is a premiere, not a live EFAP, so it won't be unlisted. It'll just be visible on the channel page, like when they did the Man of Steel Twin Perfect video a few weeks ago. EDIT: I accidentally said that the video would be "unlisted on the channel" which is the opposite of what I meant.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

@@cherrychocolate1434 yeah I realized that after I posted the comment and just left it

[@fluff6811]

That was beautiful

[@IntelligenceBuild]

@@fluff6811 I used to be a Cosmonaut fan, some part of me sees beauty in them having a common enemy.

[@g4sper112]

The whole "muh biblical paintings references" gave me a strong Hbomberguy vibes, trying to link the old hags in the intro of Dark Souls 2 to Shakespeare and Kurosawa. Pretentious levels over the chart.

[@schioppi7260]

They aren't even good references, I could think of better religious references that are more relevant to the story than the super generic ones proposed.

[@wannabehistorian371]

He what?

[@justacatwithasadface2692]

Is anyone still watching Hboomerdude?

[@MrTheGameNarrator]

@@justacatwithasadface2692 Only postmodernist's

[@lucascoval828]

@@justacatwithasadface2692 I think Mauler is still obsessively watching him.

[@collingreen9517]

Perhaps he can’t talk about the last Jedi positively for 6 hours because there’s not enough good about that movie to fill that time.

[@corruptangel6793]

It means he doesn't understand the difference between an in-depth analysis and just talking about the movie casually.

[@BarokaiRein]

He's a TikTok user,those have an attention span of about 50 seconds so there's fucking nothing he can talk about for more than few minutes before just losing the plot. Like for fucks sake he resorts to just screaming several times during a ONE MINUTE LONG VIDEO. He can't talk coherently for even a single minute.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I think even Quinton tried to respond to Mauler's TLJ review but gave up because it was too long.

[@BonktoHead]

@@BarokaiRein ya, If people use tic tok unironically there opinions don’t rlly matter

[@leonhartdragomir8948]

Luckily for us, if you want to talk about the bad in that movie, hoo boy, you don't have enough time.

[@silkendreams2409]

"Batman vs Superman is a modern masterpiece" *W H E E Z E* Where does EFAP find these people?

[@fluff6811]

My theory is that the Cult of Diabeto is aging followers

[@feathermanr7577]

Hello there daddy Vergil

[@somethingwithultra7231]

This was genuinely baffling man. I somehow got this rando unrelated video in my recommended, then tried watching it because it was so short and watching it I REALLY felt like it was almost some inside joke for Efap because jesus.

[@fluff6811]

@@somethingwithultra7231 The entire video is just a parody that doesn’t know it’s a parody😂

[@NoPantsBaby]

ON A FARM!

[@rakshal132]

Anyone else notice that a lot of Mauler's allegories come down to killing one of the co-hosts? lmao

[@ThatJediReviews]

Or killing Rags family. Mostly his parents

[@thereviewersblock7459]

@@ThatJediReviews if Rag’s goes missing, we know who suspect #1 is.

[@petriew2018]

@@thereviewersblock7459 the ATLA fan club?

[@amanibob1416]

It's been like that since the very few weeks before MauLer did a Stream on his channel. On Wolf's channel, the Longoid already couldn't hide his bloodlust, arrrg'ably!

[@fluff6811]

@@amanibob1416 Your grammar is good rat

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Standing Here I realize Cosmonaut was trained to review things _ON A FARM!?_ *Steppenscare*

[@TyrDrum]

Tell that to Mewbler's long neck!

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@TyrDrum "Typical objectivist...! All long, but no girth!"

[@TheDartho900]

Is this a metal gear rising reference?

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@TheDartho900 "Dead on!"

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

"Cosmo's subjectivity had its chance!" * *Longifies the children* -Mewbseide

[@dragons_advocate]

First, I'd like mention that I am not associated with anything that happens on TikTok. Also, I am opposed to kidnapping children. #TwoSeparateStatements

[@lorddamocles2222]

I can only get behind one of those statements

[@Beard_Hood]

Are there kidnapping videos on TikTok?!?!

[@true02baller]

I understood that reference

[@Mythonaut]

@@Beard_Hood predators use it to size up victims (in Minecraft of course)

[@patrioticcat5768]

But thank you for being my free marketing. Enjoy the flick.

[@HumanAfterAll123]

How many levels of hell have frozen over if Efap is defending CVH

[@randomperson-up5vt]

Infinite levels of hell did

[@jadeatrophis]

This DC Arc is a strange one..

[@fluff6811]

I really like his reaction vids but his normal reviews are pretty bad. He does make a good video from time to time

[@themetallicblur1315]

Arnold Freeze was right. Hell does freeze over tonight.

[@fluff6811]

@@themetallicblur1315 Only Arnie’s Grunt-Growl-Yelps can return it to its former fiery glory

[@thehighground7926]

I never would’ve thought that Efap would be defending Cosmonaut Variety Hour

[@MrMustafio]

Objectivity is a strange creature

[@libertyprime6932]

There is always a bigger tism

[@CMCAdvanced]

Justice is blind after all

[@troo_6656]

Yeah. I was like, wait a minute is this really happening? Is Cosmonaut making some decent enough points?

[@thehighground7926]

@@troo_6656 not all his videos are bad. A good cosmo video would be his the problem with DC and their heroes. I think that’s the title

[@patcrane7262]

Don’t remind Tex about the scene when young Clark got angry enough to squeeze a dent into a metal fence post rather than use his powers against people that were actively bullying him. “He was angry on his first day,” my foot.

[@SirSadness]

It's the same logic as: "Oh, I'm sorry, police officer, it's my first day of marriage, and my partner made me mad. I didn't mean to kill."

[@chuckhoyle1211]

From my experiences of both being male and raising three boys, a child with the powers of Superman is far more likely to go Brightburn than Superman. Really, The Boys gets this pretty correctly. A toddler with the ability to lift a car would kill their caregivers fairly often. Not because they are evil, but because little kids have zero impulse and body control. They throw fits over everything and everything is, pretty much, 100% effort all the time. They have not learned to control their strength. If you watch a group of boys play together, everything eventually leads them to do some version of hitting each other with sticks, playing king of the hill, or some sort of competitive activity. My boys would always have football blocking drills at random locations throughout the house and for no reason. Clark shows remarkable restraint even though he probably knows that he could do whatever the hell he wanted to whomever he wanted and nobody could stop him. Ever. He could be the local football star (or any other sport) without even trying.

[@superjlk_9538]

@@chuckhoyle1211 by all logic, Clark should have at least murdered or crippled one person in his childhood. I’m surprised he didn’t melt Martha’s head off with his heat vision.

[@DeepEye1994]

@@chuckhoyle1211 I hated Brightburn because it wasn't the kid realizing he can be reckless with his powers (or being raised in a fucked up way like Homelander), he becomes evil Superman because his space ship 'activates' his evil side. What a cheap way to avoid having to write a deep character that develops. And this is why Superman shouldn't take itself dead-seriously, it's meant to be an idealistic and positive figure. The Animated Series is how it should be done, I found the Christopher Reeve films too schmaltzy.

[@Borrrrnana]

He was pissed but was also restraining himself

[@NoPantsBaby]

Fringy: "Imagine bombing a hospital cause there are insurgents inside!" Obama: *ordering artillery strike on MSF hospital* "What?"

[@Shockguey]

Don't join the military kids. It's already automated.

[@Trisket]

@@Shockguey but how else can I be a welfare leech and demand people revere me for it?

[@lucascoval828]

@@Trisket Oof.

[@v0rteks644]

@@Trisket is that honestly how you view all military members?

[@mattyt3625]

@@v0rteks644 yeah not all military people are bad but there are problems in the military. They shouldn't all be glorified or vilified.

[@dizzydoom4230]

For full context on that Superman vs Shazam scene: both knew it was (according to Luthor) a public works project for new housing that WAS NOT inhabited yet. Superman gives everyone ample warning before he tries to get to what he THINKS is a bomb Luthor planted under the city. Shazam tries to step in, but Superman bats him off and the fight starts. Also, both are approximately as strong as the other, so Supetman nor Shazam could steer tge other way. However, NO civilians are in the way, either.

[@ctown0738]

Also, at the end of the season Supe's recognizes that has actions throughout the season, including that fight, were bad.

[@KangarooMonkey]

@@ctown0738 yeah, the whole point of the episode was to show Superman at his worst, and the season to show how the JLU didn’t act like heroes. Using it as an example actually hurts their argument.

[@samuellund1377]

"I like the movie but *I* can't talk about it for 6 hours" Sounds to me like there aren't many things to like about TLJ...

[@lukerose384]

Most films aren't worth discussing for 6 hours

[@VentA_7]

@@lukerose384 ignoring the fact he doesn’t actually talk about the movie just for 6 hours, I’ve spent the past year hearing hours upon hours of different things covering this 1 film, new problems or wasted potential of the concepts of the last Jedi, there’s tons to unpack

[@Divine_Allure]

@@VentA_7 that doesn't necessarily mean good quality. That being said I still struggle to understand how one can enjoy a piece of media, yet can't find good things to say about it

[@adamfreddo5703]

Also, about comparing the superman fights in animation. Superman actually gets scarred, bruised and even becomes faint or exhausted during fights. Batman scarring aside, Whenever superman gets punched in the DCEU he always looks clean and unfazed.

[@arjuna6224]

Yeah that's really weird

[@fluff6811]

His hair is never a strand out of place at any moment

[@SolarDragon007]

That's the reason why the action in MOS is so fucking boring to me, (aside from being WAY too long). The tension evaporates pretty quickly because none of the combatants seem vulnerable. The fights could've been more interesting if Superman actually tried to minimize collateral damage and had to show restraint, making it harder for him to defeat the Kryptonians.

[@fluff6811]

@@SolarDragon007 Yeah it almost seems like they are trying to kill each other from exhaustion instead of physical damage since they never actually take any.

[@mattyt3625]

@@SolarDragon007 NO! ThE fILm nEeDeD ePLoSIOnS BEcAuSE EXpLOSIOnS ARe CoOL🤬😎🤟- a Snyder bro- and most likely Snyder himself

[@fugu_3467]

Man of steel is one the greatest movies of all time with deep themes and character because steel is heavier than feathers

[@stuttters]

Damn...... I never saw it that way before..... you've really opened my eyes lad!! 🤣🤣

[@pezdispencer113]

A ton of steel is like 10 times heavier than a ton of feathers 4Head

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Level 1000 Brain man... I hate Marvel with all their feathers... Dumb Hawks and Falcons...

[@arjuna6224]

@@greatclubsandwich5612 lol

[@fluff6811]

That’s deep

[@crimsonpotemkin]

Imagine being such a massive that it makes Cosmo look like a reasonable competent critic.

[@scottski02]

Mega oof

[@samlund8543]

@Purple Emerald Maybe the real massive was the friends we made along the way

[@RorytheRomulan]

I've currently reached the reply about the neckbreak scene in the second video. I'm stunned.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

@Purple Emerald Possibly Alfred.

[@alosim1541]

6:10:49 Building on what Southpaw and MauLer were saying here. As Superman is on the floor gasping for breath and Batman points his Kryptonite gun (instead of the spear) at him, ready to take the final shot. Then Lois runs in, collapses onto Superman’s body hugging him to almost form a human shield. She looks up at Batman. She’s crying her eyes out and begging him not to fire. In this moment, Batman has a flashback to the night of his parents’ murder. We see Thomas Wayne shot dead on the ground. Martha Wayne is next to him, trying to shield his body. She looks up at Joe Chill and begs him not to fire. Close up of Joe Chill’s gun as it fires, and the gunshot echoing as it cuts back to Batman. He lowers his Kryptonite gun and has a moment of realization. He then turns around and chucks the gun across the room. End scene.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

But superman's mom is Martha! AND Batman's mom is Martha! WE NEED TO CLUNKILY USE THAT FACT! I'm so smort

[@thereviewersblock7459]

After credit scene The gun accidentally goes off, sending a Kryptonite canister flying...to Zod’s Snapped Neck.

[@Zonedoutallthetime]

i hate this timeline where youtube commenters write better films than people who get paid millions to do so

[@fluff6811]

@@thereviewersblock7459 Fixing his neck and reviving Zod. His latest sighting was on an Indonesian rice field aggressively harvesting the grains, training in the same doctrine as the man who had twice defeated him.

[@fluff6811]

Also what a fantastic idea. There’s so much more that needs to be changed for context but this scene alone is a massive improvement over the original.

[@NovaDysnomia]

"They're all nitpicks." "I haven't watched a full video." I can't even- How do you say these things back to back and not spot the hypocrisy! And he calls you sad.

[@Hakuto_Byakushi]

lack of self-awareness and desire to invalidate MauLer's video. I've seen many people do this shit when it comes to criticising videos on Twitter. For example Cvit's Persona 5 video releases, and the entire P5 Community lost their shit and made excuse after excuse. Wouldn't take until MangaKamen's series of videos that the vid would actually be criticised, or rather parts of the video as for whatever reason he didn't respond to the whole thing (which harms his criticism of the vid honestly, just respond to the whole thing).

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Quality content. What a ringing endorsement of TicTok.

[@yagirlmayalazarus6713]

@@Hakuto_Byakushi I mean not everyone is comfortable with doing what Mauler and the Efap guys do and sit down for hours on end to talk about something. Better to do it in parts and have better points than force yourself to do something longform and you're not good at it. And that's even if you think length has anything to do with quality to begin with.

[@Hakuto_Byakushi]

@@yagirlmayalazarus6713 oh don't get me wrong it's fine to respond to something in parts, I'm more annoyed that he only responded to parts of the video as a whole.

[@Koopa_Klawz]

Did Cvit ever make any sort of response to the criticisms towards that video?

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

28:47 Am I the only one who would be massively entertained by a random scene of a dude grabbing a milkshake, and coming home to find a meth bear in his living room? 🤔

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Make it a buddy cop movie... The guy gets swept up in the bear running from the drug cartel that he stole the meth from as they make a break for the Canadian border.

[@collingreen9517]

Saying a movie is bad because it follows a formula is like saying a cake is bad because you followed a recipe. There’s only so many ways you can combine things in pleasing ways so a movie should be judged on how well it performs steps not on what steps it performs. A cook who makes a cream brûlée badly isn’t automatically going to be better than a guy who makes a batch of brownies that are made competently. People who say Zack Sneider is better than the MCU because he doesn’t follow a formula are wrong for that exact reason.

[@Arphemius]

I agree mostly, but it also means that if you follow the same recipe again and again, you grow sick of the taste. And the chef that manages to create something new and exciting is rightfully lauded if it pays off, far more than one that goes for the tried and true.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

What if the recipe is as simple as, We want to have character, we explain why he/she is some way, an invent occurs and they change as a result of that with slight modifiers to suit the character they want to create or story to tell.

[@collingreen9517]

@@-Azure.EXE- could you elaborate, I’m having trouble understanding what you’re trying to say.

[@collingreen9517]

@@Arphemius you’re right, repeated formulas can grow stale but I think I’d prefer well written but formulaic movies to terribly written experimental movies, I’d rather get sick consuming a lot of what I like than get sick consuming a little of what I hate. Besides, despite following similar beats there’s still a lot of variation in the marvel brand, Thor is really different from iron man who is really different from captain America

[@Arphemius]

@@collingreen9517 Yeah, I suppose it's always a fine line you have to walk between taking risks you can't follow through on and being boring.

[@blizzardregulus]

3:44:08 How is it that every fucking time they try to defend Superman punching people through buildings it's the Justice League Animated Series clip where he's slamming Shazam through a bunch of buildings? It's like they're just typing "Superman punching people through buildings," then clicking on anything that's not Man of Steel. It's so weird that ALL of them end up finding that one clip that actively disproves the argument they're trying to make.

[@colonelstarsandstripes5379]

also I love how they CONVIENTLY leave out the parts of the episode where it's explained that the buildings were brand new with nobody inhabiting them yet.

[@Truck_Kun_Driver]

They can use the clip where Supes punches Darkseid through multiple building when he đoé not hold back anymore.

[@swoopisbird3117]

All the talking about BvS mirroring old paintings reminded me of Arkham City starting with the Kane and Abel painting being a mirror of the end of the game, except Arkham City is good.

[@jtcob8486]

And that Kane & Abel reference isn't used by pretentious "essayists" as one of the main reasons the thing they like is a masterpiece.

[@thatcreepyberdinthecorner1097]

Arkham City is good rat

[@thereviewersblock7459]

Arkham City took the time and effort to make a cohesive story that works and the mirroring of Kane and Abel came after. BVS chose to be a biblical allegory from the get go and didn’t bother to tell a well written story because he thought “muh themes and symbolism” would carry the film.

[@samwallaceart288]

You mean Cain, right?

[@thereviewersblock7459]

@kafu Kemeh oh I did pay attention. Here are some huge issues this film has: -How is it that many people aren’t aware that Lex Luthor is behind all of it? He doesn’t show up to the meeting, a witness testifying against Superman is suddenly killed off, and so many other things he’s done and no one is tipped off. -Why does the media think Superman killed the people? -If Batman is willing to kill, why hasn’t he killed most of his rogues gallery? Joker killed Robin yet he’s still around, he’s perfectly okay with killing nameless henchmen though. -The Martha scene also doesn’t make sense as the film makes it seem that Batman is determined that he even killed many people to get the kryptonite and then doesn’t finish it because his mom has the same name. If the joker pulled the same shit, would Batman have a panic attack too? -How is Lois a better detective than Batman? She’s able to find out Clark’s whereabouts in MOS, but the world’s greatest detective can’t figure out that this alien has a human mother and family?

[@ManiacalForeigner]

Fringy, I CANNOT believe you thought the Stage 1 theme from Batman on the NES was "Sonic music". I'm literally shaking, crying, and pooping my pants rn, turn in your VGM fan badge this second! You can keep the gun for now, I mean, Australia is Australia.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

"You wouldn't deprive an Aussie of his emu shooting stick..."

[@ManiacalForeigner]

@@bigwinz Not my fault they were gullible enough to sell their arms to the government. Haven't they heard of boating accidents?

[@sparkypack]

@@bigwinz Fringy doesn't need a gun. He has a boomerang, which is the deadliest weapon there is. It would even kill Aries.

[@Dr.Metalblood]

What would an Australian possibly need a gun for?

[@ManiacalForeigner]

@@Dr.Metalblood Literally *everything?*

[@ianhines2302]

CVH can’t handle this movie because he was trained on a FARM

[@benjamingrant5970]

CVH HAD his chance!

[@grayski3324]

CVH can't handle the LONG

[@RebornVengeancex]

that will Never get old

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

CVH just needs a jolly rancher.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

@@yourarchnemesis8453 Only if it's cherry.

[@Alec11_43]

When that bvs masterpiece video came out, I desperately wanted efap to cover it, and boy am I glad they did.

[@fluff6811]

This has been a really good EFAP. I truly don’t understand those that say EFAP had reached its pinnacle long ago and is slowly declining. As far as I can tell it’s exactly the opposite

[@vadandrumist1670]

Pre-recorded EFAPs should be labeled EFAP minis. After all, without Chat they're just as short.

[@dragons_advocate]

At the very least, they mess up the continuity

[@Sharicite]

Without chat to ask fringold about his political opinions*

[@sparkypack]

Twin Perfect also labelled pre-recorded content as cowardly. . Better not get into another discussion with smugross 😣.

[@MegaSpideyman]

​@@ShariciteOnly him?

[@kylefrank638]

That opening vid was such an embarrassment. He took two minutes of his day to pretend to be super-dooper ANGREE at MauLer's extensive and level-headed critique. I guess screaming "FAK" and rubbing one's temple passes for comedy now.

[@Claudiurogojan1234]

“The world we currently live in”, I don’t see a guy flying around anywhere and a guy in bat costume.

[@mrbiggles5389]

“The world we currently live in”, I don’t see a guy flying around anywhere and a guy in bat costume. EFAP and this little hater suffers from SDS (Snyder Derangement Syndrome)

[@Claudiurogojan1234]

@@mrbiggles5389 I just don’t like the movie, and I thought that was a dumb statement to say, cause it’s a damn movie not real life.

[@mrbiggles5389]

@@Claudiurogojan1234 I don't like Matrix cause I don't see Agent Smith's anywhere in real life. Omg so stupid, such a stupid statement.

[@Claudiurogojan1234]

@@mrbiggles5389 that’s not why I don’t like the movie, it’s just what the guy defending the movie said, that we don’t want to face the grim reality of the world by watching Batman v Superman, he’s acting like the movie is indicative of real life, that’s the shot I was talking about, what the hell are you getting so mad for.

[@mrbiggles5389]

@@Claudiurogojan1234 You don't like the movie because you suffer from the same brain disease as EFAP. Its called SDS, or Snyder Derangement Syndrome. It effects your ability to know what a good movie is and you start frothing at the mouth about BvS being shit and bad writing when it's just the disease talking, since its an amazing movie.

[@ScienceWinsEveryTime]

A Strawman is when you restate an argument into a weaker one and then destroy it. Reductio ad absurdum takes the correct argument but leads to absurd conclusions: Argument: "Female workers score more highly on "agreeableness", so they don't ask for raises as often as male counterparts." Strawman response: "So you're saying women aren't worth paying equally?" -Not what he said. Absurdum response: "Ok, but given the history of sexual assault a woman can't ask for a raise without worrying about being raped in her boss' office!" -Not a reasonable conclusion.

[@robinthrush9672]

So you get referred to that Peterson "interview" every other week like I do?

[@ScienceWinsEveryTime]

@@robinthrush9672 Not that often but it's easy to reference in terms of explaining strawmen. Lol

[@scienceviking4490]

The way I learned it, reductio ad absurdum isn't inherently invalid. You can use it to illustrate when someone's argument actually does lead to an absurd conclusion. For example: Some creationists make the following argument: Everything that exists must be created by something The creator of a thing must be more complicated than the creation The universe exists and is highly complex Therefore, the universe must have been created by something highly complex, ie God. I could apply reductio ad absurdum to this argument by saying that, if everything complex must be created, and God is complex, then god must have been created, by Super-God, but Super-God is also complex, so it had to be created by Super-Super-God, and so on, forever. Basically if you follow the line of logic all the way through, you get a nonsensical conclusion.

[@thorthewolf8801]

@@scienceviking4490 Yes, or to use an example from here, the Twin Perfect debate or the Just Write debate. They said its not right to take away enjoyment from the world. So, a reducto ad absordum argument would be is it right to take enjoyment from nazis? To TP's credit, he did stay consistent and said no. If the logic is good then it will hold up even in extreme cases.

[@Ramsey276one]

Is there a way to Share comments? I. Would Share this!

[@QazwerDave]

The "real art" here probably is about the difference between being an artist's vision and being a product - just more content to make money from. But that really only captures the mind set behind by the people on the top, rather than all the artists that took part.

[@QazwerDave]

@@pyerack Also, saying "art = quality" and then say "Bat v Supes is art" at the same time is ridiculous !!

[@thefgcsensei4482]

yup you are 100% on point here, and even if the author's original intent was to shit out a product meant only to garner profit the product could take a life of its own and be regarded as a defining piece of art.

[@HeyImRosko]

Guys, it obvious that BvS is a modern masterpiece BECAUSE it references actual artistic masterpieces. That's all it takes today, because everyone is dumb af.

[@razkable]

a big reason why i love batman over superman x men over fantastic 4 and iron man/hulk over avengers/marvel is simple...they are character studies over simple what the hero does to save the day vs villain stories...i am not into watching heroes beat the villain and generic good guy movies like ant man ..thats so boring..give me character complexity over that any day of the week.. x men batman and iron man are complex characters...its not about the fighting

[@HeyImRosko]

@@razkable you mean you DON'T want every superhero movie to end with the hero fighting almost exactly their doppelganger? Or iron manning as I refer to it?

[@ImortalZeus13]

Saying "I like (insert media) because it references classic masterpieces" is basically akin to saying. "I liked this movie because I saw the reference and it made me feel smart, so I clapped" It's just "I clapped when I saw the thing I know!" But with an intellectual coat of paint

[@grfrjiglstan]

Isn't it funny that the worst Cosmo video that EFAP has covered is the one he's most proud of (the prequels one), but the one this Tex fellow felt confident enough to clap back at ended up being the one EFAP most agrees with?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

He's proud of it, but he opens it by saying how much he didn't want to do the video and that his viewers made him do it. /eyeroll

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Those who live in upside-down-land will wonder why their lowest works speak most to normal people.

[@flaherty9248]

he has said multiple times that he would like to change some of the scores on those videos

[@R.J.Godzilla81]

SUBVERSION OF EXPECTATIONS!!!

[@Simon-yp7rv]

The video he is most proud of is a lackluster video on the most beaten dead horse in film history?

[@jondorsey2043]

Love it. Several hours in, and the subject of the title has begun to be covered. God bless EFAP. Don't ever change.

[@kylefrank638]

1:18:57 I've always hated that line in BvS, as some explanation for why this jaded, older Batman, who's lost Robin, justifies killing now. "Lock up a criminal, more will just rise in their place." Did younger Batman *not* realize that criminals keep popping up, despite putting others in jail/an asylum? How is Robin's death changing anything? Killing criminals ALSO doesn't mean no new criminals will come about, just like arresting them wouldn't. Bloodthirsty Batman isn't this deep concept that the defenders of BvS make it out to be... it's just the filmmaker indulging in violence for violence's sake, because it makes him some edgy rule-breaker.

[@seyio1717]

​@Erik Kemeey You have no idea what writing a concrete story means shut up

[@BrennanCh06]

300 was super edgy and dark, and was a hit. In 2004 (I'm wrong, '07). From Snyder. Dark and edgy isn't what people hate, they hate bad.

[@SolarDragon007]

300 was in 2007 but I agree.

[@BrennanCh06]

I stand corrected, ty

[@DeepEye1994]

It helps that 300 was just being very faithful to its dark and edgy source material, much like how Sin City was.

[@SolarDragon007]

@@DeepEye1994 Yeah it actually makes sense for it to be dark/edgy since it's an exaggerated/mythic retelling of a battle from ancient history.

[@BrennanCh06]

@@DeepEye1994 yeah, the source was very tightly written. Zack actually put too much extra shit in, IMO.

[@clintbeastwood5116]

When Mauler links the second channel on a video he premiered on the second channel. Good rat.

[@lordcabrito]

Movie: Does a basic filmaking shoot DCEU Fans: "Ah! A masterpiece!"

[@Xehanort10]

Superman sitting in a church. Snyder fans: OMG. DEEP SYMBOLISM.

[@TheVagabond627]

They thought the shape of a cloud was to reference one of Superman’s creators. A fucking CLOUD!

[@Xehanort10]

@@TheVagabond627 To Snyder's cult anything he does is the deepest shit ever just because it was him who did it. If anyone other than him had made Man of Steel and BVS they'd have called out the pretentiousness but with Snyder they're convinced his every film is high art and that anyone who dislikes his films is supposedly too stupid to understand them.

[@peanutgallery4]

The way the camera follows the action down the stairs and then back up again - Cinematic Veggins

[@shaildarji9555]

Lex Luthor : *replaces elastgirl's drink with fucking piss* DCEU fans : "Wow, this movie is soo deep"

[@silverbastion1526]

I don't mind BvS that much, but let's stop the charade that it rivals Shakespeare in execution, 1984 in themes, and Plato in the philosophy of man. Just stop the crap, I get the want for stuff to be good. But this is crossing the line of extreme desperation.

[@jcore0981]

I absolutely agree. I totally think it's fine to enjoy flawed media. I personally love the Prequels. But when people say shit like "The wooden dialogue is a secret reference to the many works of Shakespeare" I just roll my eyes. Why do we need to defend bad writing instead of saying "Yup, it's not very good, I really liked it though."

[@Unformed8]

I love how DCEU always felt like they were in a hurry since they killed Superman in the second movie and I'm like "How?" "Well avengers already had a group up movie, we need to catch up" "Catch up? Are you telling me Marvel is going to make a Batman DCEU movie before you? What kind of clowns are you?"

[@BrennanCh06]

They wanted a huge cinematic universe but without all that pesky groundwork of good to decent films leading to it.

[@Unformed8]

@@BrennanCh06 Aye, it seems like the studios think that putting effort into their billion dollar IP is the big gay

[@Xehanort10]

Trying to race to catch up to the MCU and hiring Snyder were the 2 biggest mistakes DC and Warner Bros made in creating the DCEU.

[@daustin8888]

Whats even stupider, is the fact that the Snyder Bros got the Snyder Cut 8 years after Man of Steel. People were obviously willing to wait.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

I'm getting the feeling that BvS and MoS are designed in the mind of a teenager saying I don't watch cartoons cause cartoons are for kids. The type to say peak Pixar is just for kids because animation. I don't understand the comparison of Marvel being for kid's. True it's lighthearted at times but it really knows when to be serious. Tony seeing his weapons being used on either side of a war and deciding to go there himself to end it, is very different to tapping Thors arm and calling him breakpoint. Are their favorite writers to inept to handle tonal shifts where necessary. It's fine if it's all somber, doesn't make it better or worse, just something else

[@HORSESNDOGS9]

Round of applause for this gentleman right here 👏👏👏👏👏

[@petriew2018]

it also kind of ignores that, until both Marvel and DC went completely off the rails, comic books were just as popular among adults as they were children without being fundamentally different in their story structure. And that Marvel movies appeal just as much to adults as children in their ideas, which might be simplistic but are also persistent throughout known human literature for a good reason.

[@Shockguey]

@@petriew2018 It also actually depends on the era. Gen S were kids when they first got popular in the mid 40's then they were adults by the time Adam West Batman rolled around. I imagine the same thing happened with the 70's80's and the contrast with Xtreme 90's. The current boat of Cape movies is due to Millennials watching cartoons in the 90's.

[@chaosmaster4130]

Breakpoint? You mean point break?

[@jackmonaghan8477]

Also, it's a good thing Snyder and his cult didn't get their hands on the MCU otherwise they'd be trying to adapt 'Ultimates 3' and 'Ultimatum'. Those comics really read like the sort of thing he'd try to adapt (depressing, ultraviolent and self-important to the point of self-parody).

[@xalvador7569]

Just when I was thinking that we had seen the end of the typical film student formula for videos, we get this. Mauler was right. They will always have videos to cover, because these people will never stop embarrassing themselves.

[@fluff6811]

It’s kinda tiring hearing people say that EFAP needs to cover more competent videos. Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose? I can understand some positivity every once in awhile but that happens a lot over the streams anyways. The memes, the tangents, the guests and the hosts just joking around. Plus there’s little utility in covering a video with little to criticize.

[@xalvador7569]

@@fluff6811 I agree Sauron. The main point of EFAP is to respond to horrendous takes/reviews/criticisms of movies and tv shows while discussing their failures. But it is also to highlight good writing and good pieces of media whenever they pop up. And by doing these things, the EFAP crew have met and talked to various other creators from all over the world and we the audience have enjoyed the conversations and, of course, the glorious memes to come out of it all. Hopefully we can get more people like Jay who realise how bad one of their videos can be and learn from their mistakes, and less individuals who will snipe at the EFAP crew. Hell, at this point, I would not mind a few more folk like MajorLee coming on. He may not be convinced that everything he said was nuts, but at least he was willing to have a chat with the crew.

[@MistHarbinger]

I don't see many people defending the prequels as being "good". Mostly that people found a lot to enjoy despite their flaws, and miss having someone in charge who clearly cared about the world and story.

[@jamesrogers1554]

The prequels also have greatly benefited from the sequels. In comparison they look so much better.

[@plushiesdx]

There are people if you know where to look

[@TheVagabond627]

@@plushiesdx Anomaly Inc...

[@shaildarji9555]

The only good one from the prequels tbh is ROTS and yes, it also has its flaws.

[@ChillyCharizard006]

"EFAP is as long as it needs to be." *video is 7 1/2 Hours.* Tbh this is part of why I love this channel.

[@ND62511]

To defend longplays, I don’t want to have to replay an entire game just to rewatch a certain moment in the game

[@Ramsey276one]

Hence I make AS MANY SAVES AS I CAN XD

[@darkpuppetlordful]

The fundamental misconception that Zack Snyder wrote Justice League is funny to me. He didnt, and more than likely WB chose Chris Terro as the screenwriter. Like theres a lot of fundamental flaws laid at the feet of Zack, when they are screenplay issues

[@wildetimes-anunofficialzoo5983]

"Oh, they FLY now!" "They fly now!?" "They fly now!"

[@ikoandreas5085]

Remember that one episode from Rebels where Zeb and Kallus teamed up to survive? This is basicly that again

[@nicolasowen3095]

Pls someone screengrab Ledger's Joker with the word "SAFE" slapped across it- some memes just write themselves

[@joshuapowell5169]

DCEU Fans: Stop! If you destroy our arguments, you destroy the DCEU! The EFAP Crew: The DCEU had it's chance!

[@NiohArcadia]

Lmao yes 🤣

[@MaddGasserGatoni]

Ah yes the spear of saint George, when George and Jesus's moms were both named Mary

[@Ramsey276one]

LOVED THIS XD

[@nathanjora7627]

Don’t forget the moment where the dragon started to beg StGeorge to protect his mother Mary, and StGeorge was like « WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME ?!! »

[@jtcob8486]

I was so confused when the stream eruptly ended. Good thing I'm not the only one.

[@Ardejas]

If you refresh I think it's fixed.

[@mrrselfdestruction1077]

Pre-recorded efap? Surely a sign of the Apocalypse

[@vadandrumist1670]

Even worse, it's not the first time.

[@mrrselfdestruction1077]

I KNOW! Fuckin epic double apocalypse!

[@michaeldorsey9231]

Wait, a standard apocalypse or Apokalips?

[@mrrselfdestruction1077]

@@michaeldorsey9231 is that like how Mauler and Fringy pronounce Aquaman wrong and say akwaman?

[@TyrDrum]

*Insert crazy Lex Luther BS*

[@nicks7835]

The whole discussion about killing by proxy reminds me of the “Badman” series - they’re not dead, they’re just sleeping.

[@SolarDragon007]

DR. FISHY, NOOOOOO!!

[@scottski02]

Jingly keys! Fun for babies not for Batman!!!

[@TheLevitatingFleem]

“Look at him… he’s all tuckered out”

[@therealfakecaptain7978]

Asking "What is rat ?" is, in itself, good rat.

[@TheLeevoy]

This is like year one film student level analysis. By his logic, Family Guy must be the greatest piece of media ever created. I've always said Zack Snyder is way more of a cinematographer than a director. Putting him in complete control of a project is ill-advised at best. He seems to only look at his films on a superficial level: "Does it look cool? Great, my work here is done!" He wants to be David Lynch but he's just edgy Michael Bay.

[@That_One_Guy-.]

Mauler kinda forgot about the premier.

[@YourPrivateNightmare]

this was foreshadowed in previous episodes where MauLer also forgot things. That proves that this was sufficiently built up.

[@trajanthegreat2928]

@@YourPrivateNightmare I’m glad they included an intro clip reel of Mauler forgetting things so we would be prepared

[@scottski02]

@@trajanthegreat2928 "Everytime Mooler uploads a video, the DMCA bots flip a coin, and EFAP holds its breath."

[@fluff6811]

@@scottski02 I both love and hate you for that reference.

[@TheEldritchGoth]

A perfect example of a subtle “painting payoff” in media is Arkham City. The first shot in the game (at least the GOTY Edition, declared the definitive edition by Rocksteady) is a painting of Cain carrying Abel. The story behind these two brothers is of the first murder in the Bible, where Cain murdered Abel out of jealousy. This exact framework is used later in the game where the Joker dies and Batman carries him out, but at the end of the game Batman didn’t kill Joker. Batman tried his damnedest to save him, even after all that he had done (namely the murder of Bruce’s love interest, Talia), but it was Joker’s direct action (stabbing Bruce and causing him to drop the cure he needed) that led to his own death. It’s a subversion of the story of Cain and Abel, and it directly ties in to something relevant to the plot. It isn’t just “this moment looks like pretty painting.” Arkham City has plenty of problems with its plot, but this is one of the things it did brilliantly.

[@KingKamor2]

It's bizarre to me how so many people seem to enjoy this version of Superman. Like, I've never really read the comic books or even watched the Superman animated series, but when I was growing up he was still a concrete fact of life. When I was a 90s kid, these were my absolute truths: 1. video games are cool 2. skateboarding is rad 3. Cinnamon Toast Crunch has cinnamon swirls on every bite 4. Superman saves people It's not that fucking difficult.

[@adamjenson9369]

Superman can't, doesn't, and never has saved everyone all the time. Sometimes he even kills people, it's very rare but it happens. MoS has plenty of problems, but most people are complaining about the wrong things and at this point these arguments just make the people complaining look dumb.

[@herloss448]

@@adamjenson9369 lol this garbage superman doesnt even have a character or any personalities

[@rajarshisantra8203]

@Vean Studio let's pretend superman uses his most famous power, the super shouting and everybody hears that, cool. Then what? Everybody will just magically disappear? Superman will be able to somehow evacuate everyone while fighting a being equally powerful and highly trained who's hell bent on killing everyone?

[@rajarshisantra8203]

@Vean Studio " I'm going to make them suffer, Kal. These humans you have adopted, I'm going to take them away one by one" , " If you care for these so much, you can mourn for them" Didn't made that up. You can look it up. And about superman not been able to take care of humans and not able take Zod somewhere else, this was Superman's first fight, so obviously he was not able process the obvious (which plays along with the theme of the movie that superman makes mistakes). Now about people evacuating themselves, well you are right, they will not disappear, they will run and that's what they did but it doesn't make much difference since the attack happened on an instant. Actually now I've seen the fight again and superman did tried to take him to space where they hit the satellite and everytime any building gets trashed it's mostly Zoe throwing supes around

[@rajarshisantra8203]

@Vean Studio Zod never really changes his threat, he just states the obvious that if I kill superman, there's no one left on earth to stop me to do whatever I want. For big blockbuster movies and it's audience the "action speaks louder than words" is horseshit. Everything has to be spoonfed even for the most simpleton story. The understanding of the theme really comes down to personal preference. If I arrogantly tell you that Iron Man and hulk fight was just a big bulk of cgi with no actual substance, it would sting for you, assuming you really liked that scene. Theme for Snyder's superman was simple but unique, this god like creature is just like us, he sometimes misses the obvious, he gets depressed but still keeps on trying. Now whether you take in that, that's up to the viewer, nobody is going to necessarily tell you to f off for that.

[@zeroclimberchannel]

Defending Cosmonaut? Oh god, reality is breaking.

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

"most hated directors" Yeah, no, Uwe Boll takes that title.

[@Ramsey276one]

Fully agree

[@razkable]

does he even count when he makes shit films on purpose then gives them good scores and challenges critics to boxing matches...cause hes insane

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

@@razkable He's a director, so yes.

[@Sinnthedemiurge]

Uwe Boll? More like Uwu Bulge

[@psnfailout000]

I still have no problem saying that "Batman doesn't kill" is a good piece of criticism against BvS. It's a central part of his character that shouldn't be butchered in what was supposed to be a dark but still faithful versus movie for Superman and Batman. I do like, however, that you guys are able to give good critique without even touching on the no kill stuff. It's a strength.

[@KangarooMonkey]

It’s not Batman’s fault that blood comes out of a criminals neck after he slices it.

[@MistbornTaylor]

I looked up the guy on TikTok and he had apparently made another video where he said the “bad movies he liked unironically” and then made an apology TikTok because things like Dawn of Justice are good if you like them. What he meant to say “movies that I have a lot of problems with but I still like” but that just doesn’t roll off the tongue. And that all art is subjective.

[@Party_Almsivi]

Cosmo: You won’t let me like...you won’t let me hate... Mewble: Snyder fans need you! Cosmo: But they don’t need you. Tell me...do you feel?

[@johneveryman2426]

I've read Divine Comedy, Republic and Paradise Lost. This dude is REACHING with these comparisons. And if he is spot on about it, then the director is reaching.

[@tuskinradar8688]

I think the Republic comparison is about how Krypton is supposed to be modeled in the DCEU as a form of Platos Republic. Doesn't really matter and is still a total whatever reference at best.

[@chaoticreckless6909]

As a Mexican with family in Spain and who knows a couple Italians, I find the part of comparing them and speaking about Latin America very amusing

[@lucascoval828]

When in doubt, bet on European.

[@blizzardregulus]

1:07:19 The Matrix is escapism and that's an amazing film that revolutionized film-making, fashion, and story-telling for at least a decade.

[@YggdrasilAudio]

Cosmonaut: "Compairing Superman to Jesus is lazy." Tex: "People have already done that." You just proved his point!

[@mattarcher8103]

4:10:55 "this whole movie is about Clark Kent defining/finding himself" (I couldn't tell what he said). Also, Clarke Kent is like 30, he's been raised as a human by humans for his entire life, he should have a pretty good idea of who he is or what it is that he believes. The idea that Superman doesn't know who he is is laughable and the original did a MUCH better job at characterizing Clarke Kent AND Superman

[@skylergulley3949]

There's a Graphic Novel called Superman Earth One that also did a more brooding and moody Clark Kent the difference between this and MOS is that Clark of Earth One was still mourning Pa Kent's death and he was in his early 20s and by the end becomes the more hopeful Superman

[@SolarDragon007]

@@skylergulley3949 MOS tried to be Earth One but failed. Also, I think the movie would've benefited greatly if CLARK was the one who was initially reluctant to use his powers but his parents encouraged him to like in Earth One.

[@asinner8]

He’s like “Look it references better literature by better writers in the movie. That makes it a good film.”

[@elgavion7829]

Mauler having the idea for Batman to slowly start killing more and more and always justifying it, is just Injustice. Superman starts to kill more and more and justifies it until he starts becoming a tyrant.

[@feliperisseto9113]

When Batman V Superman started, I was very exited to the possibility of the movie explore the socio-political concequences of Superman's actions. The idea that his mere existence polarizes the world, were people think he is a treat and others that he is a litteral god, was very promissing. But the movie shits on that in all the ways possible, probably because Superman is not even a character.

[@corruptangel6793]

Regarding the bland, monotone and mind-numbing combat in Man of Steel, Superman isn't a trained fighter. But Zod is. So have Zod dominate most of the fight using grapples and martial arts while Superman can do nothing but swing wildly and eventually become more and more creative in overcoming the much more skilled opponent. All while worrying about civilians. There's so much you could do with that even if Superman and Zod aren't necessarily getting hurt. Something Hulk vs Thanos in Infinity War for the start.

[@SolarDragon007]

You could also have it be a battle of Superman's greater raw power vs Zod's greater training, experience and having allies. If they were consistent with how the powers develop over time, Superman could outclass Zod and co. in terms of strength, but he'd fight like a blunt instrument compared to the Kryptonians who compensate for the strength discrepancy with strategy/technique.

[@HeyImRosko]

So weird to fall asleep during Longmans and have the irl stream debates coming from random dream people as conversational non sequiturs

[@REEEE-eq6mx]

People think EFAP defending Cosmo is the most shocking thing here, meanwhile in the live chat we learned that our favorite semicolonizer isn’t making videos any more. I’m gonna miss the fuck out of you, E;R. You were the true L, the real Avatar, all along.

[@nautdead3197]

If we get Netflix to make a squeal to that terrible death note adaptation he'd come back.

[@scottski02]

Whaaaaaaaaaaat??? No more E;R??

[@BrennanCh06]

What???!?!?!?

[@TrajGreekFire]

Timestamp?

[@Reshyon]

So apparently in chat at 2:45:50 E;R or an account that has the Name of E;R say in chat that he is out of ideas but some people on Twitter point out that he doesn’t have the check mark but I am not sure if E;R is register or if is only an imposter.

[@theaverageDon]

RIP E;R Thank you for all the amazing videos and content. Much respect to you and good luck with your future endeavors

[@JMel2012]

What happened to E;R?

[@Reshyon]

@@JMel2012 he announce in the chat that he is out ideas for videos. So apparently I am wrong and that post was made by a fake account. •-•

[@JMel2012]

@@Reshyon I'd give it a month. Hollywood never fails to provide content.

[@fluff6811]

I’d donate to his PayPal even if he stops making content

[@sol7967]

@@Reshyon is he not doing a part 2 to his star wars RoS video?

[@Taygon45]

As a DC fan with a handful of statues worth a thousand dollars of just one DC character, Raven, plus a number of other DC characters like Supergirl and Black Canary and hundreds of dollars of DC comics both old and new I say this from the bottom of my heart; This movie was shit. I almost walked out because it was so bad. It was so bad I think I have a false memory of when I saw it. I erased the moviegoing experience from my head. I'm glad I didn't waste my money on Man of Steel to see one of my favorite characters getting massacred. I feel so bad for Henry Cavil cause you can tell he wanted to be shoulder to shoulder with Christopher Reeves, but he barely gets up to his waist.

[@Taygon45]

@kafu Kemeh As someone that has fond memories of reading The Dark Knight Returns No it wasn't.

[@aka_nobodyy]

I feel like the point was kind of missed with Cosmo saying Batman doesn't kill. He means Batman doesn't just wack random criminals like he does in BvS. Ofc Batman will kill if he has to. It's been explored in media like the Arkham games. He always refers to it as a line he will not cross because it's too easy and he'll never come back from it. I think Cosmo just worded it poorly

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Correction, it was explored in Arkham Knight, not City or Asylum cause they had a different and much better writer

[@aka_nobodyy]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 I don't understand your point so it happened in the Arkham games? lmao

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@aka_nobodyy Yeah, just in the bad one

[@aka_nobodyy]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 ok lol

[@jamaphy8621]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Arkham knight is the best Arkham game lol

[@Paugose]

"People are still talking about Godzilla". I mean, he's one of the best characters ever made and his first movie is simply one of the best movie ever made, so isn't it normal to still talk about that one?

[@speedyacorn2520]

This tittle sounds like a parody

[@latviandragon2718]

Well since both efap and cosmo dont like bvs, this looks like a perfect conclusion to it

[@CyberWolf-oi6iv]

Lol "tittle" 😆

[@vladverified7659]

I wrote my master's thesis on Paradise Lost, so I wanted to offer my two cents. First, the steelman: Lex Luthor’s “motivation” in BVS is comparable to Lucifer’s in Paradise Lost. The stated goal of the poem is to “justify the ways of God to men”. In other words, Milton claimed to be solving the age-old Problem of Evil: if God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving, how can suffering exist in the world? This is essentially Luthor’s challenge to Superman-I have suffered in my life; therefore, if there is a God, he is either less than all-powerful or less than all-loving, and I will prove it by showing the world that Superman is just as flawed as any of us. Lucifer has a similar goal-he doubts God’s omnipotence and challenges him in open warfare, which God wins decisively, casting Lucifer and the other fallen angels down to hell. Having escaped hell, Lucifer decides that if he cannot defeat God in open war, he will subvert him by corrupting his creation. He has heard rumors of a new world called Earth, where God’s new creation, man, dwells. Lucifer infiltrates Eden (which is on Earth in the Miltonic universe) and tempts Eve by telling her that the fruit of the forbidden tree will transform her into a God in her own right. He tells her that she has nothing to fear since God ‘cannot hurt ye and be just. | Not just, not God; not feared then, nor obeyed.’ By successfully persuading Eve, and by proxy Adam, to disobey God, Lucifer seems to prove his point. God speaks as though his hands are tied, as though he has no choice but to exile man from Eden, for ‘The law I gave to Nature him forbids.’ Adam and Eve are indeed exiled, but not before it is explained to Adam that God’s Son will descend to redeem mankind by self-sacrifice, at which point he will regain lost paradise (see the lesser-known sequel poem, Paradise Regained). There are literal centuries’ worth of academic debate about the presentation of God in Paradise Lost, with an entire school of thought that essentially argues #LuciferDidNothingWrong, i.e., that Milton-intentionally or not-actually made a brilliant case against the goodness of God. If Luthor’s plan had succeeded, he would have proven the same point as Lucifer: that given the right motivation, God would abandon mankind, thereby proving that he was not all-loving, or not all-powerful. In the end, Martha Kent survives and Doomsday is stopped because Superman selflessly sacrifices himself, much as the Son promises to do in Paradise Lost (Superman as a Christ allegory is of course nothing new). With all this said, I can see why Snyder, and especially tismy video essayists, would see BVS Luthor as a similar character to Milton’s Lucifer. HOWEVER, the idea that Luthor is a “perfect mirror” of Milton’s Lucifer is utterly absurd. Lucifer wasn’t a whiny little bitch, first and foremost. He was a devastatingly intelligent archangel, implied to be the third most powerful being in the universe, after God the Father and God the Son (who seem to be separate entities). Lucifer doubted God’s justice because God arbitrarily decided to elevate one of the angels (the Son) above all others and expected Lucifer to bend the knee. No reason is given for God’s decision, and it’s extremely difficult not to sympathize with Lucifer. Lucifer’s dad was God, and yet he was still treated unjustly. He decided to rebel, and this decision cost him everything. Though unable to die, he was severely wounded and scarred in battle, he was cast out of heaven, and God made a new race, mankind, to be his new favorites. Having established that he could not best God in combat, Lucifer decided to subvert him by corrupting this new race. In doing so, he seems to have wanted to prove that he was not alone, that God’s new children would turn against him just as Lucifer had, and that God would turn on them in turn. Lucifer has many descendants in modern cinema: Salieri from Amadeus (and Alan in Equus, also by Peter Shaffer), Mewtwo in the first Pokemon movie (the parallels are not subtle), and Ultron spring to mind. The original Frankenstein’s monster was heavily and explicitly inspired by Lucifer, and this has bled into many adaptations of the story. Almost any story about a creature rebelling against its creator has some Miltonic influence. But if there’s one DC character who resembles Lucifer, it’s 110% the Joker. It would be pretty reasonable to describe Lucifer’s quest in Paradise Lost as an attempt to prove that anyone could fall as hard as he did as the result of one bad day. Lucifer is a trickster; he uses deceit and disguise to carry out his plans, and after he is cast out of heaven, those plans become purely psychological. He never seeks to hurt mankind physically; he goes to tempt them, to experiment with their obedience to God and see whether their rules could be broken. The victories he seeks are purely symbolic; they’re about sending a message. Now, compare all that subtlety, all that psychological complexity-God’s second favorite son unable to understand why he was found wanting, rebelling against his creator to immense personal cost, and able to contend with his omnipotent enemy only through a proxy war of wills-to Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor, a sniveling child with a comically contrived plan to get superheroes to punch each other in a desperate attempt to contend with his daddy issues. Yes, Luthor has every right to be mad at his dad for abusing him, but his suffering is far from unique, as terrible as that fact is. Again, Lucifer’s dad was God; the creator of the entire universe looked at him and found him wanting, and all his immortal life, he never learns why. To call Luthor a perfect mirror of Lucifer is, as Rags said, a huge indictment of Milton. Fortunately, it’s also bullshit. Fringy, definitely do pick up a copy of Paradise Lost; it’s the greatest poem in the English language, and while it’s long (even by EFAP standards) and often difficult to get your head around, I’ve read it three times, and I was never bored.

[@biobroly5272]

Still in the first 20 mins of this so haven’t heard the related discussion but this was a great write up! I hope this is seen in the way it needs to be, but for now you’ll have to settle for my appraisal :)

[@Delta-es1lg]

Holy shit dude I've never read Paradise Lost but this writeup makes me want to go find a copy.

[@apocryphicdeath]

I thoroughly enjoyed reading your comment. I'm going to check out Paradise Lost now, cheers!

[@lokenontherange]

I've never found the argument of God being inactive compelling because it assumes too much. There's not much point testing people with struggle if you just save them whenever they're inconvenienced.

[@petriew2018]

i think the analogy would also make a lot of sense if there was any fucking reason to equate superman to god in these movies beyond the director insisting on it. Superman's kind of an asshole to everybody who isn't Lois Lane, and even when he's saving people he looks pissed off that he has to do it. The transference of Luthor's daddy issues/existential crisis to superman makes no fucking sense. It's not like Superman was there but ignoring baby lex's problems...

[@SorrowfulXHawk]

Team Cap and team Tony was worse than brexit for some of my friendships back in the day.

[@pdzombie1906]

References only work when there's a meaning behind them... A character reading a philosophy book doesn't make the movie automatically philosophic. Same with the images, if they aren't functioning for the argument and the story, they're just easter eggs. These pretentious snyderfans justify his films like a simp explaining why they're in love with a pretty woman they don't even know...

[@arjuna6224]

I agree

[@Agiranto]

Batman Beyond episode 1. The most perfect way the batman was forced to take the gun.

[@SouthpawLP]

100%

[@Galvatronover]

Yep made sense to me It showed he was to old to do this anymore if he was gonna need to use lethal force

[@WontStopMeNow]

Clearly people don't go to TikTok for insightful commentary. I would assume people go to TikTok to feel better about themselves.

[@OnionTaylorJoy]

Only good thing about Tik Tok are the Tik Thots, same as with instagram.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@OnionTaylorJoy Thots and good don't go together :p

[@Party_Almsivi]

@@OnionTaylorJoy >police sirens close in THIS IS THE THOT PATROL, COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP!

[@Divine_Allure]

As someone who used to go on there a lot, that is 100% true. It's a massive ego stroker of an app, if one is even mildly attractive There are fandom "pockets", which aren't as bad, if one doesn't dive too deep. Comedy content is... uh... You can guess

[@Connorthecatsdad]

After the Martha line Batman should have said out loud "I thought I was the Batman, but maybe I'm the Bad man..."

[@godqueenbidoof]

Batman doesn't kill HUMANS specifically. But he's killed plenty of parademons and other goon aliens.

[@johnellisbushbush]

4:30:33 have him try and headbutt Clark, he knocks himself out, Clark picks him up and puts him back on the seat and have Clark turn to the bar man and slip him money. “That’s for the ice for his face when he wakes up” he smiles and leaves the bar. I’m sure some could make that non-clunky

[@bcmm1880]

It’s fun to see people defend Batman’s “reason” to kill ppl, because it’s “realistic” even though realistically Batman wouldn’t kill, and if we’re being realistic then Superman straight up fucked that guy at the beginning where he sends him through several walls, and others talk about how he’s been let down and shit even though that’s just lazy writing, good shit guys 👍

[@kartikadewi3270]

Realisticly, batman would kill, especially after the controversies of Cops being badly represented all the time.

[@Gakusangi]

Fringy nailed it, it's a BASIC cinematic technique used to frame a scene and convey character power and stance. If you're paying a cinematographer or a director, then simple framing shots, like the ones this guy is really trying to elevate here, should be a given. They're nothing special, and a hundred other movies do them every year. Also, the inclusion of symbols and themes are only credible when well executed, not when just being present. This is all film 101, hell not even that! 101 implies college level, this is basic, high school film class that you get for free.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

Guys, guys I figured it out! Lex's blood gave Zod's corpse the autism and Doomsday is what autism does to Kryptonians. That's why they breed artificially and why Zod was so outraged at Clark's natural birth, he was angry at Jor-El for risking the creation of a monster. Y'know, it says something when my ret*rded joke makes more sense than what they do in MoS.

[@generights]

So would that mean that they hunt the autism like predator?

[@ND62511]

@@generights oh yeah, it’s all coming together

[@italyspit5192]

So you're telling me Doomsday is the next step of Kryptonian evolution. Somebody give this man a script

[@themexican8720]

As an Autistic person I support this.

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

1:23:52 Strangely reminds me of Revenge of the Sith. "Anakin. You're breaking my heart!" 🤭