YMS vs EFAP on Modern Movies | EFAP Highlight

The gang talks to YMS about his takes about the Critical Drinker, and delves into the reasons why modern blockbuster movies have become so terrible.
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[@one2many370]

YMS talks for 5 minutes straight. EFAP brings up a valid counterargument. YMS moves the goal post. Repeat.

[@janehrahan5116]

There is a reason concentric castles replaced motte and bailey. You can hide a dishonest point by your bailey. But why not have your real point be good instead.

[@benignlaughter8567]

this comment should be pinned to save everyone from watching this. holy hell the man has zero mental competence.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@benignlaughter8567 he's very competent, goal post moving, motte and bailey. If you assume he's malicious it fits his displayed inteligence better than ignorance.

[@insensitive919]

Do they make furry outfits out of lead and asbestos? It would explain a lot.

[@EmptyAltruism]

HA!!

[@SacClass650]

Guys, remember-the change to our media and academia that everyone has noticed is not happening, but if it is happening then it's good.

[@TimeyWimey573]

And you're the bad guy for pointing it out.

[@mattmark94]

someone in this comment section already made this argument, unironically

[@Yayofangamer16]

He is a zoo file

[@SacClass650]

@@mattmark94 Beyond parody.

[@williamfrank962]

“What?! You don’t like seeing all your beloved heroes die as old, frail, pathetic men who have nothing to live for and replace by a badly written female version of them with no character whatsoever? You’re uneducated, but that’s all just a conspiracy theory you’ve made up too! Stop noticing patterns bigot!”-typical left wing response.

[@whitworth5s248]

Hollywood: "Male and pale is stale." Movies: _Consistently mock white male characters_ YMS: "I'm sure it's just a coincidence because they're all old." Harry from Dumb and Dumber was less obtuse about the reason why his bird's head spontaneously fell off.

[@nickhewes6860]

Pretty bird, pretty bird...

[@tincano-beans2114]

"This movie isn't about me? ME, THE MAIN RACE" That's you crying when a white man is the butt of a joke.

[@samuellund1377]

The modern day writing of YMS really sucks, the writers assassinated his character by making his arguments weak and they took away his pattern recognition abilities. I imagine they'll bring in a girl named "Your movie is good actually" to shame him before replacing him.

[@Chickenbowser]

You made me crack a big ol' grin with this comment

[@peanutgallery4]

They made him old and depressing

[@stubbylegs]

Thats a great idea....

[@lilmovieperp3599]

@@peanutgallery4 like most old people HEYOOOOO

[@Red-zh7vq]

This comment is good rat

[@99Bobson]

"Give me examples" "Here's like 10 examples" "I didn't watch those, don't care, and you shouldn't either" Good one YMS

[@janehrahan5116]

Doomer politics was his alt all along.

[@Raptorworld22]

Clearly he graduated from the Doomer school of argumentation.

[@Necrow_Productions]

I honestly could not beleive that was an actual argument from YMS. It's sad to say but I think he lost his touch a while ago.

[@gerbera3696]

...also "Its nepotism" "its young writers" "its the obvious choice" "its para-social fans" Its everything except forced political messaging.

[@totally_not_a_troll]

A part of me gets YMS. He is a captive of his audience and friends. And they pushed him to be dumb about this. And he has no way out. I still blame him. Surround yourself with less shit people. Don't bend the knee. But whatever, I haven't been consuming his content for at least half a decade.

[@Vidusik]

YMS: "Disrespecting legendary movie characters doesn't bother me." Also YMS: "I'm going to make a 6 hour long review about how Disney disrespected The Lion King."

[@Mate397]

Guess that skipped his mind.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Did you watch the video? He's mad that a remake was done poorly and relies entirely on the original, not that it disrespected a character lol

[@spiderleenie]

Also YMS: "I'm going to make an hours long video about how calling the Lion King a ripoff of Kimba is wrong." Don't get me wrong, his Kimba video is one of the greatest Uno-Reverse cards I've seen on the internet ... But YMS is being hypocritical in this debate. lol.

[@Vidusik]

@@tincano-beans2114 Yes, I've seen his video and it doesn't matter. He still comes across as a giant hypocrite. He tells people to grow up and stop being upset over Dial of Destiny because they have other Indiana Jones movies. I could say the same thing about him complaing about Lion King remake for almost three years; he still has the original, right? So... other people shouldn't be upset over how a studio handles a beloved franchise like crap, but somehow he's allowed to do that? It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

[@The_Halfway_Channel]

That doesn't even make sense as a comment. A remake is supposed to rely on the original. ​@@tincano-beans2114

[@spiderleenie]

Alec Guinness was not a spring chicken when he was in the first Star Wars movie, and yet he was written to be wise, hopeful, and brave. Yeah, his lightsaber fight against Vader wasn't the most spectacular or athletic thing ever put to film, but the fight was more about Kenobi's hope that he's placed on Luke. Just because a character is old doesn't mean they need to be pathetic.

[@YouTubeLovestoHideComments]

Right. I wonder if he was just engaging in bad faith. "Oh gee, a lot of these characters are getting deconstructed, but it can't be nefarious at all. It's just a coincidence." Like you've said, they can be wise. But they can also be resourceful. They could probably even lean on the character's frailty as a limitation. I don't believe for a second that it isn't deliberate.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@KZbinLovestoHideComments the people behind the movie will sowneight tell you it's about bringing down the actual hero to bring up their fake idols. In Indiana Jones 5, it's about that british side bih material woman. YMS is a hack.

[@spiderleenie]

@@KZbinLovestoHideComments I wouldn't call his opinions nefarious. I just don't think he's invested in these mainstream blockbusters at all, so I don't think he cares or pays any attention. lol. (He might be a little salty over someone like The Critical Drinker getting more attention than him these days, though ...)

[@jonbaxter2254]

Merlin is always an old man, and he's often the best part of his stories.

[@herrikudo]

I always interpreted his saber duel on the death star as more of a spar. He knew damn well at his age he couldn't best Vader. He knew damn well he wasnt leaving that station "alive" as we know it. So he decided to make his death serve a purpose.

[@IndeedYaBoi]

My counterpoint to YMS would be He-Man. He-Man is a cartoon, he can be played by anyone so being "too old" is irrelevant. So why is he depicted as an annoying and useless loser while everyone around him does the real work in the newest adaptation?

[@denkerbosu3551]

You can simply point out at the talentless hacks behind the movies. They'll downright tell you it's about diversity and strength, never about making the classic character be as great as he is.

[@elvickRULES]

The CG one was amazing, but even that took a different approach and made it more of a team effort than just He-Man being the main hero of importance. But it was a genuinely good show and in more ways was trying to do new things so it’s easier to accept it. The one you are talking about was initially sold as a continuation of the original show. And we saw how that turned out.

[@texasjedi77]

I agree that it is not just age. MCU - Thor, Nick Fury, Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Loki, Dr. Strange just to name some. Star Wars - Luke, Han, Lando, Finn, Poe, Star Trek, - Don't get me started and a ton of other examples of tearing down mainly male roles to prop up new characters.

[@moongoalie2410]

I would class that as a perfect example to counter anyone’s ignorant assumption of one’s criticism of the current culture. It’s blatant, and without any remorse to soil the reputation of a beloved character children resonated with. You can even make the same example with Superman or Batman, and the CW were another example of how much they disrespected those characters.

[@traiforse5777]

I'm pretty sure YMS would reply with "Why are you guys so stuck up about He-Man, are you gay for him or something? We have this hot dominant Amazon woman." It's just that YMS has a very different critique points and aspirations. I'm sure unlike most of EFAP or Drinker's viewers, he didn't see Luke Skywalker or Indiana Jones as role models.

[@yung_wise5861]

I love how YMS tries to say he doesnt get attached to characters enough to get upset with a harmful portrayal of them but then he has whole segments in his Lion King review where hes pissed about how Scar and Mufasa are handled

[@keithfilibeck2390]

furries, lol.

[@AlphaBeta17]

Yeah him going full long man on Lion King 2019 out of sheer anger at how disrespectful it was to the original and then not being able to empathize with why so many other people are mad about the same sort of things happening to their own beloved stories is incredibly ironic. Really hurts his credibility especially with how much time he spends pretentiously shitting on everything coming out of Hollywood that’s not some super indie film with heavy political messaging

[@AfutureV]

I think his point is that he was not emotionally hurt by the mistreatment of characters, as in he is going to get mad and criticise Lion King 2019, but not going to take personal offence to it.

[@yung_wise5861]

@@AfutureV even if that is the case how would anyone decipher that when both types of these people would express their distaste the same way: constructive criticism. Not that you're siding with YMS, just asking cause I don't think that would save his case.

[@AfutureV]

@@yung_wise5861 You just take people at their word. YMS said you can ruin characters he loves and he will not be personally hurt, while EFAP seems to be on the other side. No one is inherently right or wrong for feeling either way, but it would be wrong to assume everyone feels one way. Although generally, if one has an emotional attachment it can affect the quality of criticism, which is why it is important to keep it in check. I say that as someone on the side of I have 0 actual personal emotional attachment to fictional characters.

[@The2012Aceman]

"I have explicit grievances about this person that I can't explicitly say because it would out me as being partisan rather than any criticism of the man or the content itself."

[@feliperisseto9113]

And the fact they can't admit he has a point because It would put their side on a very bad light. All of Drinker's detractors in a nutshell.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@feliperisseto9113 Drinker has a target on his back because his channel grew up so quickly into the million subs. They fear anti woke sentiment being mainstream. Not in the sense of it being a majority (it is. Nobody likes this shit) but it being publicly ok to mock the woke. This Is also why the gaslight of "you say everything's woke!"

[@edmonddantes563]

Bang on, yms has fallan to the ‘Hasan side’ of the internet

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Or the "I acknowledge that there's a problem, but absolutely cannot state the underlying cause either because it would harm my side or get my in trouble with my own audience for having the 'wrong' opinion".

[@Mate397]

@@feliperisseto9113 The few points Adum has were acknowledged by the crew the fuck are you on about?

[@KneelB4Bacon]

19:45 YMS: _"I'm not saying it never happens but we are in the generation of it happening consistently."_ Yeah, that's called a "pattern" YMS. Which was Mauler's entire point.

[@mrshmuga9]

“I’m going to make the same point but reword it so I don’t get attacked for agreeing with you or admitting your concern.”

[@josvoi2854]

And then going on to say “Well, pattern recognition is subjective.”

[@the_absurd_hero]

Can’t trust a guy who speaks out of both sides of his mouth... I get the feeling that YMS is trying to be amenable because he and EFAP have had a good relationship in the past, but it *does* demonstrate an ethical failing when he backtracks his statements based on discussant and/or audience

[@unpopularopinions7407]

@@the_absurd_hero i think i’d rather swallow glass than have an audience like his ngl

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

You misinterpreted his point. He went on to qualify his statement that what was 'happening consistently' was the bringing back of old characters for nostalgia

[@jmh8697]

YMS: "If you enjoy looking at a beautiful painting, it's weird to me if you get upset when someone rubs shit all over it and sets fire to what's left."

[@nothing4mepls973]

Should have had a better media diet! Oh but wait art is subjective. Hmm progressive post modernist cognitive dissonance strikes again.

[@Fluffy6555]

Not really a good comparison since the original painting still exists...

[@NateO123]

And tells you that it’s been improved and there’s something wrong with you for not appreciating it 😂

[@GigaChadh976]

@@Fluffy6555yeah it exists but its spot in the museum has been replaced by the shit smear

[@Fluffy6555]

@@GigaChadh976 what?

[@Cipher71]

"It's an issue with your media diet" -man who hasn't seen 95% of the movies that they're talking about

[@NeepNeepPohn]

"You think it's a problem with these movies? Well you should stop watching Hollywood movies and watch $20 budget indie films no one has heard of and recieve 0 advertising or support from the industry to prove you wrong."

[@sonofkabisch]

""I think people are too emotionally attached to characters..." Wow, imagine being a fan of a piece of media. Then imagine a soulless company banking on that emotional attachment to sell tickets...then spitting all over it.

[@thebatman4279]

Stop developing emotional attachments to things! Haven't you learnt yet that all you need to is consume the product, and then mindlessly wait for the next product!?

[@StanMarsh02]

He whined about the Lion King remake for like 3 hours

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

I suppose since he feels that way it MUST be true....

[@ililililil8385]

You're being very uncharitable. Yes, it's normal to be attached to fictional characters, but there comes a point where it becomes unhealthy, and you make it your entire mission to obsess over Bire Larson.

[@GigaChadh976]

@@ililililil8385good thing efap doesnt do that.

[@lordsemen489]

Saying *"media diet"* is the only thing that brings YMS joy

[@dragonskizi7681]

This whole stream was annoying to watch. YMS was weasely and clearly politically partisan. His takes on movies were also so bad I can’t take him seriously as a critic anymore. His arguments were: “CD is crazy! This isn’t happening!” To, “that’s just your media diet! Go to film festivals and watch niche indie movies!” And then,” oh well I don’t care about these characters.” Like, damn dude. What do you even bring to the conversation then?!

[@the_absurd_hero]

One reason why Drinker *is* so popular is because he speaks to the everyman: He discusses popular movies that most people will have heard of or be interested in knowing more about. What YMS apparently fails to understand, at least going off of how he comports himself in this stream, is that *most* movie-goers don’t care for niche indie films; they want (or have only heard of) Hollywood movies with a decent marketing budget (or drama) behind them. Movies, especially Hollywood movies, are regarded as general entertainment, and very few patrons analyze movies solely for their formal elements. YMS’s elitism really hurt him on this one

[@vrika4280]

I couldn't go past the first minute when his opening statement was annihilated, and I imagined most of this would be too cringe to watch.

[@moongoalie2410]

It’s true when liberals cannot comprehend that their overconfidence in being ahead in the culture has made them lazy. Liberals simply cannot adapt or learn why they fall short compared to their political rivals…

[@N1ght_walk]

Nobody brought anything to this conversation. First off, neither EFAP or YMS even watched Sound of Freedom before this stream (the movie that initiated all this). Second, because MauLer hadn’t seen it, it was him strawmanning a lot of what Critical Drinker was saying about Sound of Freedom (a movie he hasn’t even seen).

[@riotguards]

His entire argument is that he never sees it happen but he also doesn't watch most mainstream movies so any example you bring he's never seen them, you can only go so far before you question how he can even join the discussion when he's not even watching the movies being critiqued

[@zachpulido5972]

Every time YMS tries to talk about social issues or politics, just imagine him stepping on a rake.

[@almightyZ19]

Sideshow YMS. Fitting

[@kingleech16]

With the Sideshow Bob sound effect?

[@YouTubeLovestoHideComments]

Followed by *grumbling*

[@arklaw8306]

Followed by another rake to the face.

[@thecornfieldiii2069]

Reminder: YMS endorses animal relations

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

"Having an undeservedly high opinion of myself and my media diet is the only thing that brings me joy in my life." YMS

[@Kira-ji2ft]

I like YMS but when did he become a leftoid NPC "it isn't happening" "you can't prove it's happening" "if you can prove it, it's not a problem" "if it is, it doesn't affect you" "if it does, then the problem is you"

[@AnthonyGladbach]

Hi... Month Late... Literally every single Reviewer from the start of Internet Reviewing... I.E. The Channel Awesome... James Rolfe days... Which YMS branched from... Have ALWAYS been HEAVILY left wing... If they're NOT solid lefties praising every single thing to have Gay Romance in it... They're miss informed idiots who are center at best but definitely NOT right wing... For fucks sake... Mauler Himself is Center to left... He 100% supports Abortion... Feminism... Communism... And the Removal of Religion from the Planet... It's just the Woke Mob are literal lunatics... He does not support a SINGLE thing Trump does or ANY conservative even SUGGESTS... Hell during his 4 years Trump's biggest contractors were the people who were supposed to be his supporters... And that is every single "Conservative" commentator you can think of from The Quartering to Styxhexenhammer... Count Dankula never praised him for a single thing without giving a bare minimum back-handed complement...

[@KOBULT92]

40 mins of YMS covering his eyes and ears and saying "I don't see it man, I don't know what you're talking about."

[@UchihaOokami2596]

"I dont care" he said that so many times

[@NateO123]

Socialists are always bad faith even if it’s plain to see any acknowledgement of the criticism is deemed damaging to his ideology so it’s better to play dumb and gaslight people than ever give an inch.

[@gottesurteil3201]

I'm convinced he would be happy with the entire industry being bankrupt than to side with an argument seen as right wing.

[@gee-eldubyeah3095]

Why do liberals do this thing where they go 1) That's not happening 2) OK, it's happening but it's not what you think 3) OK, it's happening but not to the degree that you think 4) OK, it's happening but is that such a bad thing? I hate this. I want them to say "that's what we are doing and here is why". That way, I don't have to guess at their motives but if they are going to play this hide the ball game then I'll alway believe that they have ulterior motives.

[@vorbo01]

Because they understand that what they're doing is abhorrent, so they need to deny it and call you crazy until it's so normalized that active resistance is no longer possible by the normies

[@DaMaster012]

Because if they were honest, more people would resist their evil. All warfare is based on deception, and we are in a spiritual war. The Fallen who is also known as "The Father of All Lies" works in incrementalism, just like liberals. What does that tell you about them?

[@nothing4mepls973]

The entire ideology and everything downstream of it is based around lies. They don't believe their own bullshit, but they think if they can just push it anyways they'll make the world better somehow. So far they haven't, but they have managed to piss off normal everyday men by ruining their hobbies, which is probably the entire point to begin with. An entire ideology based on pissing off daddy.

[@cirv0]

It’s worked for so long. You gaslight the opposition until it’s too late to change it.

[@cristianaraujo9293]

It's a jewish tactic more than anything. You have to be in power to do this.

[@boros5556]

"Bladerunner 2049 is a passing of the torch." K FUCKING DIES. THERE IS NO PASSING OF THE TORCH FROM DECKARD TO K BECAUSE K BLEEDS OUT IN THE FUCKING SNOW. WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT

[@coyoteone6197]

Thank you!! That was a baffling point.

[@alan.smitheeee]

I'm more shocked Mauler didn't like BR 2049.

[@harry426]

@@alan.smitheeee Mauler doesn't seem to like Denis Villeneuve's work as a whole.

[@tincano-beans2114]

​@harry426 it isn't 80s action hero levels of writing, of course he doesn't lol

[@joaocarvalho6336]

I've seen E;R's video on BR 2049. It's definitely way more critical than the movie usually gets. E;R analyzes media in a similar way to Mauler. Assuming Mauler has the same problems with the movie I can see why he wouldn't like it

[@Rolf97]

Every single legacy male hero: useless, dottering old man who has lost all his drive and passion and gets showed up by a modern audience woman YMS: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that

[@tincano-beans2114]

Option B is the terminator route where they come back in a bland cash grab and nothing changes. People change as they age. They grow more mature, humbled, angry, disillusioned, or at peace etc etc etc.

[@GigaChadh976]

@@tincano-beans2114arnue terminator wasnt shown to be a useless suicidal idiot. Also, yeah people mature, but its not the norm for them all to be suicidal and bitter.

[@m-ox2tx]

Outside of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, where is this found?

[@TheRealHosty]

Madame Web is the only thing that brings YMS joy in life.

[@jiggycalzone8585]

Madam web and coolcat is the crossover we need. If we can somehow get Neil Breen involved it will bring about everlasting world peace

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

"Madame Web is tasteful... To me" - Yourbo Movieggins

[@SideBurns]

Adum Web

[@OdaSwifteye]

Cringe brings him joy which is like finding joy in watching someone face-plant.

[@playthehighnote1122]

And Neil Breen

[@outlaw5015]

YMS came across as a pretentious art snob. “Media diet” needs to get sent to the same shooting line as “media literacy.” Mad Respect to Rags, Fringy and MauLer for keeping their cool.

[@Wight977]

What is your issue with the term "media literacy"? As far as I know that simply refers to someone's ability to accurately comprehend what they have read or watched.

[@stygames5450]

@@Wight977The issue is that you only ever find people hiding behind those terms if they want to make themselves look superior to their opposition in a most pretentious way.

[@TheHalogen131]

​@@Wight977Because it's an arbitrary term. What if you read and actually understood Ulysses, but isn't a fan of Casablanca. Are you media literate, or not? What if you know the inside and out of Final Fantasy lore, but don't care for Dark Souls lore, is your media diet adequate?

[@aguyirl]

@@TheHalogen131 not agreeing or disagreeing with the use of the term, but with the definition you're using. Literacy would imply an ability to understand something, if someone understood Ulysses and Casablanca but didn't like the latter, it would have nothing to do with their ability to comprehend it. They would still be literate, in fact, it may even be due to that literacy that they are able to dislike it. As for diet, i'm unfamiliar with the usage of 'media diet,' and what would or would not be considered healthy or adequate, so i won't touch that one.

[@samulhydenstein8208]

​@@Wight977media literacy is a nebulous term people hide behind when they criticise someone's interpretation of art. If you don't interpret media the exact same way they do, they'll say you have "poor media literacy". It's a way for the "everything is subjective" crowd to handwave interpretations they disagree with.

[@atomicdancer]

I like how polite The Critical Drinker is in this video. He just waits quietly, and doesn't even move - doesn't even blink! - and just lets everyone else finish making their points. What a gentleman!

[@acespectre5461]

Damn YMS came out looking really bad from this.

[@BWGmedia]

I think it’s mostly due to audience capture. Still sad to see :/

[@vrika4280]

I applaud speaking with them, but I remember seeing that video from him, taking things way out of context, and he definitely had political bias. I've seen other of his videos, and he is not some dumb twat like Grace to not know any better, so in a sense he is worse, and stopped watching him after that.

[@BWGmedia]

@@vrika4280this is why I stopped watching him. It is huge to admit where you’ve made a mistake, but then when you willingly make that mistake over and over again I can’t just keep presuming it’s just ignorance and accidental. It comes off as more intentional and malicious.

[@Yayofangamer16]

He is a zoo file so..

[@anthonybeck21]

​@@BWGmedia I still watch his yms content but his bias is ludicrous

[@jimmytheenlightenedcentrist]

No hate for YMS, but this entire EFAP he didn’t make a single argument I agreed with. These takes about the current storytelling trends in Hollywood are horrible. The parts in the episode where he talks about Drinker is even worse to listen to imo.

[@AlinaAniretake]

covering yourself with "my opinion" is for cowards... imo

[@David_the_Psalmist]

​@@AlinaAniretake Oh my gosh, it absolutely is, especially if they also use the word "just." I always think to myself, "you've spent minutes if not hours articulating this point you made. Don't sit there are tell me it's *JUST* your opinion."

[@rocknatex5013]

@@David_the_Psalmist To play devil's advocate... It *is* his opinion, and he feels very strongly about it (thus the arguments). Can't say I agree with him, but I also can't blame him for using the "opinion" umbrella.

[@David_the_Psalmist]

@@rocknatex5013 Yeah, I suppose you’re right. I’m referring more to instances where KZbinrs say it defensively as though they’re trying to preemptively shut down discussion.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

This EFAP is why I stopped watching YMS. I can't bother listening to someone who is so wishy-washy with their arguments like Adum is.

[@trequor]

Top Gun Maverick obliterates his argument

[@alexholker1309]

The argument YMS kept coming back to - that this was a product of the current era of nostalgia - is nonsense. You don't spend years and hundreds of millions of dollars tearing down the Olds because you revere the past, you do it because you're an iconoclast.

[@senoka4638]

I'm impressed how he can say so much without actually saying anything. He also goes off topic so fast because he only knows his talking points. The man doesn't really talk to people. He talks to himself and enjoys being paid to do so.

[@SenshiSam]

In México we have word for that "Cantinfleando" in honor of the actor named Mario Moreno "Cantinflas". "Speaking alot but you say nothing".

[@kingleech16]

@@SenshiSam That's awesome!

[@saintkrampus3094]

In Canada we have a name for that too! It's called "Justin Trudeau."

[@tincano-beans2114]

No discussion like this, without structure, will ever sound good. Even debates with topics will veer. Both sides just avoided talking to each other and rambled about their secret winning point.

[@Gerald-of-Riviera]

​@@tincano-beans2114Except it sounded completely fine coming from everyone but YMS.

[@zak7an2]

I'm not too bothered by how the characters I like are represented in more recent media anyway, The Lion King 2019...

[@elvickRULES]

Isn’t he still making his second part for that lol

[@MrNickPresley]

I hate this argument; “I don’t personally care, why should you?” You familiar with the ACTUAL Lorax, Adum? Allow me to hit you with one of my favorite lines: And all that the Lorax left here in this mess Was a small pile of rocks With the one word.. UNLESS Whatever that meant, well, I just couldn’t guess.. “But now,” said the Once-ler, “Now that you’re here, the word of the Lorax seems perfectly clear.” “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. *It’s not* .”

[@tincano-beans2114]

The lorax wasn't talking about mass, commercial entertainment dude 😂

[@MrNickPresley]

@@tincano-beans2114 Two things: 1) No shit, Sherlock! Any other wonderfully obtuse insights you wanna share? I bet you think people don't know water is wet, too. 🤡🤡 2) The lesson still applies. Unless someone cares enough about a thing to actually fix it, the thing will not improve on its own. This is as much true of entertainment as it is sustainable harvesting of truffula trees.

[@NoahSprague]

You know i would agree with yms that it's just bad writing and nothing nefarious is going on, if the people making the stuff doesn't brag about pissing off the audience and calling everyone terrible names.

[@nothing4mepls973]

A good little progressive doesn't notice that! You're supposed to embrace both talking points at once. Remember, the more you can pester people you hate for immutable characteristics, the more altruistic, caring, and accepting you are!

[@janehrahan5116]

@@nothing4mepls973 its not happening until; you admit its a good thing.

[@matrimcauthon8609]

That's exactly it. Sort of the same with the whole ai replacing writers thing. I'd care a lot more if the writers didn't openly say they hate me.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Art makes people feel things, and different people feel different things. I find it hilarious that people get this offended at a movie, like... just don't watch it? But you couldn't make a loving off of hate baiting nothing so...

[@nothing4mepls973]

@tincano-beans2114 These people have openly stated they intend to come for everything their opponents love. There is no escaping The Message.

[@princepython701]

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

[@Mate397]

@@gerbera3696 What a horrible fate.

[@tincano-beans2114]

This applies to both parties here lol. Efap used to be complaining about bad movies not all this hate bait "go woke, go broke nonsense.

[@Mate397]

@@tincano-beans2114 They still do though, have you not been paying attention to their videos? Just because the bad movies are also woke doesn't mean they stopped making legit criticism.

[@OneEyed_]

It's bizzare to me that YMS seems to treat Disney/modern mainstream movies in general as slop and somewhat "lesser" in comparison to his film festival art house indie movies, while at the same time jumping in to defend them, but ONLY if the criticism comes from the opposing political side. It's like, he has no issue shitting on Indiana Jones 5, but he has a problem when you imply that the way Indy is treated is indicative of a larger issue with how, particularly white men, who used to be iconic, are treated in these movies. In the same vein he was very dismissive towards the Sound of Freedom because it's a movie highly praised by the right (or what can be loosely called the right). A real shame, because he's absolutely capable of top notch critical analysis when he isn't blinded by petty tribal politics.

[@tincano-beans2114]

That's what you do when "the other side" has the argument of go woke go broke and cumples to the floor at the idea of white men not being bastions of garry stu-isms lol

[@smergthedargon8974]

Sound of Freedom is mid from all I've seen.

[@K-bub]

Pattern recognition, like pulling teeth with this guy

[@mrdropkicker1]

I’m reminded of Eric July’s debate with OC… the man painstakingly laid out every part of his argument from start to finish and every time OC was either like “what are you saying,” or would take one single piece of Rippa’s argument and run to the most extreme and least charitable place he could with it… straight up bad faith and totally obtuse

[@richardduska1558]

After Suicide Squad (Yes it is a game not a movie but it' still a modern story), this whole thing aged very badly.

[@justinambru8529]

For who, EFAP or YMS?

[@richardduska1558]

@@justinambru8529for YMS

[@hilotakenaka]

To be fair, Uncharted was brought up so bringing up a video game isn’t off the table

[@ciege7486]

Well, the game isn't gonna win any awards for its writing.... or anything else. So Id say EFAP was on the money. ​@@justinambru8529

[@dostatochno]

​@justinambru8529 YMS definitely looks less informed and more plainly incorrect as more examples emerge and more background information (Sweet Baby inc. , Reimagine Tomorrow, etc.) becomes more readily available and more widely known.

[@blankadams3120]

Dear Adum: Scar, live action Lion King. As far as the 'Character you're attached to and then Hollywood came along and changed them into something terrible'.

[@carlostdied1184]

His inability to notice a trend and only focus on the one character he cooms to yiff of is proof he'll never change. He's got that on-brand smugness to a tee.

[@tincano-beans2114]

​@@carlostdied1184not unlike the efap group lol. They have no brand they stick to for a living 😂.

[@ChimeraArchive]

A passing of the torch is supposed to be a milestone for BOTH of the characters involved. For the bearer it's a sign of moving into the role of the wise sage, the mentor for others, the connection for the new hero, and even in some cases the defender of the home while the hero ventures off. For the hero, the torch passing is the moment of ascension, the completion of their apprenticeship, the first step on the road, and proof that the master was correct in the choice to train the hero. The Dial of Destiny never felt like that, it felt like a poorly assembled copy of that archetype based off a vague description.

[@David_the_Psalmist]

The torch wasn't passed, it was dropped and picked up by someone who never should have had it.

[@SubtractZero]

Believe it or not, they actually did a decent job of this in "Scamdiana Jones: Some Shiny Alien Skulls" (#4). The reunited Jonesie and Marion in a wedding, and (kinda) passed off his hat to 4Chan's arch nemesis. They didn't belittle him, they didn't tie him up in puppet strings and pass over his control to Amy Schumer, they gave him a dignified ending in an otherwise poopy movie. But _nooooooo_ . They had to dig Indy back up, kick him in his d*ck, piss on his face, call him a r3tarded low-life, and sell it to people as "The Dial of the Douchie Dike" (#5).

[@BigBroTejano]

This is made even funnier when you go over to YMS’s channel and see all the pop culture sludge he’s covered even after this EFAP. “Better media diet” my fat rear end.

[@mrshmuga9]

He only covers small stuff during one or two festivals during the year… and even then he doesn’t even watch the full movie but reviews them anyway. Whatever he “does” for indie films is negligible.

[@durrnip]

Hmmm no? There’s a lot of reviews on different movies from festivals, but the big pop culture sludge brings in the most views. Can’t fault him for going after that bag

[@mrshmuga9]

@@durrnip The point is he has no place to complain that Drinker “only covers mainstream stuff” when he does it just as much, yet acts like he doesn’t or is superior. No one would care if he also did it if he wasn’t the one to take potshots first.

[@BigBroTejano]

@@durrnipI can fully fault him for it when not only dose he try to criticize Drinker for covering the same stuff, he also ignores that Drinker covers and recommends smaller non-mainstream movies. YMS, thy true name is hypocrite.

[@elvickRULES]

@@mrshmuga9 his non YMS videos have always sucked and I’d argue some of the YMS videos are suspect as well and rely on you not having seen the movie for his criticisms to work. But he knows you need uploads for the algorithm so he farts out weak content just to have it out there. He even bailed on his stance about midroll ads and how they ruin the flow of a video. Which they always do even when you place them yourself and edit around them they still break the flow of the video

[@ingrowsmith5148]

Adum lost his balls around the time he reviewed Bruno. He almost got unpersonned by his "friends" when he dared to express an honest opinion. I'm also sure some major private tragedy hit by the time he was ending his Synecdoche of New York reviews. Mauler (and probably Rags) seems to know what happened and consistently holds back when dealing with Adum, even when he is very boneheaded - like here. He can not make a 3 hour long Lion King review, trashing it for the exact same reasons EFAP and Drinker trashes Hollywood, and then turn around and say that classic IPs aren't systematcially being wrecked, either deliberately or through incompetence. Also, I'd rather you didn't delete this Mauler, thanks.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Yup. He also takes both sides of an argument without even seeming to realize it. He admits that movie writers are incompetent when it comes to writing older characters and then says he "doesn't see any pattern of movie writers trashing older characters."

[@SumGuy099]

Asking out of curiosity, what's with the whole personal tragedy thing that you're talking about? Genuinely asking as I never noticed nor considered that.

[@Vulgarth1]

It's a presumption. @@SumGuy099

[@ingrowsmith5148]

@@SumGuy099 He hints at it during the final part of the Synecdoche of New York review. That may as well be existential angst, since that's what the movie is about, but I think there's more to it. Also, look at his face when he made his early stuff, and look at him today. That's not just fat. The two things that make your face puff up like that is alcohol and steroids. So either there was some heavy drinking going on, or some serious illness. Anyway, didn't mean to be weird about this, just putting 2 and 2 together.

[@tincano-beans2114]

You should share that supply, it's makes you high af 😂​

[@HellsFallenAngel1]

4:00 Portraying Indiana Jones as a worn down teacher that no one respects is absolutely insulting to both his legacy and academia. He's one of the most decorated archeologists, went on several adventures, and has countless stories he would enjoy sharing with his students... why WASTE a character like Indiana Jones telling a completely generic "he's old" storyline? Modern Hollywood is deliberately tearing down the male heroes. IT ABSOLUTELY IS MALICIOUS. Male heroes who've been maliciously put down: Starwars 7 2015 (Han), Ghostbusters 2016 (Bill Murray), Starwars 8 2017 (Luke), Amazon's Wheel of Time 2021 (Rand, Perrin, and most of the male cast), Wanda Vision 2021 (White Police Officer), Thor L&T 2022 (Thor), She Hulk 2022 (Every Male Character), Velma 2023 (Fred and Shaggy and other male characters), Indiana Jones DoD 2023 (Indi), Secret Invasion 2023 (Nick Fury).

[@TheGruspastej]

You lost a bot of focus with your point at the end. You started with the claim that they ruin male heroes, then include examples where they degrade males in general.

[@DaMaster012]

[clears throat] *Paramount's Halo* That is all.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Masters of the Universe: Revelation 2021 (He-Man), Terminator Dark Fate 2019 (John Connor), Peter Pan and Wendy 2023 (Peter Pan), Rings of Power 2022 (Elrond, Celebrimbor). That's just movie and TV, not even including video games. Then it would add stuff like The Last of Us Pt 2 2020 (Joel), God of War reboots (Kratos), S Squad 2024 (Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, the Flash).

[@tincano-beans2114]

Should we ignore that all of those franchises have had a legacy of strong white men at the helm? Lol Also ghostbusters 2016 wasn't peter venkman, who I honestly don't think you knew the name of, along with your other great example "white male cop" 😂. Plenty of white men still have leading rolls in movies and tv shows man. You aren't short of content. Touch grass.

[@MrMattderp]

YMS is the kind of guy to see 100 people who died of lung cancer and when told each of them smoked cigarettes religiously, he'd say that it was just simply the cancer that killed them and we can't be sure the cigarettes had anything to do with it.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Strawman ahoy!

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Not so great debate guy 🤝 YMS Because old

[@poppag8281]

I don't think he's that bad

[@arklaw8306]

There was a bit of "he's just... fuckin'..." not so great debate moments.

[@jmh8697]

bEcAuSe LaZy WrItInG!

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

YMS is a smart guy, but my goodness, he clearly thinks of himself to be one of those debate bros who can construct coherent arguments on the fly. It's harder than it looks, and YMS proves that not everybody can do it. Actually, the members of the EFAP crew are the ones doing it, and using YMS as an exhibition. It doesn't help that YMS is wrong in this debate either, but even if he was right, I feel like he would still struggle.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 i don't think it's a matter of making coherent arguments on the fly. It's the fact that he is smart enough to know that admitting he only has political grievances against Drinker without knowing his politics would make him look far stupider. If he really cared about Drinkers opinions on movies, he would have more context than, drinker liking Sounds of Freedom, THE MESSAGE being used by less scrupulous individuals. It was all in the beginning when YMS thought he could say his random nutter conspiracy friend only likes Drinkers videos. Incredibly suggestive but the goober wanted to pretend it wasn't.

[@mylastaccountgotdeletedtha6936]

I miss when YMS was good.

[@dnch]

yeah, now he is on "all republicans are nazis" arc. also he shittalked EFAP undirectly talking about everyone crying about woke culture... no wonder Ralph left

[@brandonlucas4173]

He straw man’s so much. He is left wing version of AZ except I do like his content. When he is at his best he is ducking awesome.

[@geranball9678]

When he started the podcast with i hate everything was when his opinions turned dogshit.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

YMS peaked with Kimba.

[@Toactwithoutthinking]

He never was, just quieter

[@sadeknight9112]

I remember being uniquely frustrated with this EFAP because YMS was coming across as a hipster the entire time. He even said the classic, “I did it before it was cool.” Unironically. What he didn’t understand was that the majority of movie goers (and thus the majority of film culture) don’t go to film festivals to watch indie films that only a dozen people have ever seen before.

[@tincano-beans2114]

He def understands it man. Beside, film has always had a mass audience and a niche one. Mass has always been popcorn shovelware, and niche is always fart huffing hipsters. Find stuff you like, enjoy it and move on with life.

[@sadeknight9112]

@@tincano-beans2114 naturally, I understand that. YMS didn’t here.

[@Mayor_N]

I don’t think it matters if the ‘male characters are being written as pathetic’ is purposeful or not; it’s happening and it needs to stop. You *never* see female characters getting this same treatment

[@elvickRULES]

Untrue, Sarah Connor was. But that’s because men already loved her character

[@AsperTheGhost]

I feel like I can quote George Carlin here: "There doesn't need to be a conspiracy if everyone has a converging interest." I don't think Hollywood writers meet under cover of night, Hot Fuzz style, and scheme about emasculating men. It's a current trend that gets writers hired if they hype up "diverse" characters and consistently humiliate "non-diverse" characters. Same with the constant ham-fisted (often awfully hidden/written) allegories of toxic masculinity, capitalism, or the Orange Man. They are all just nepo-babies, or all like the same things, so when they read the script of "Marywuz Suekang III" punching "All-Fuhrer Donolf Trumpler" in the nuts 300 times until he explodes, and the world is saved, they all bark and seal clap. And then it's off to find the next intellectual property they can steal from Daddy's media empire to attach their OCs to like leaches.

[@Chugargonfan]

You used to tho. What’s happening now is akin to revenge/overcorrection

[@janehrahan5116]

@@Chugargonfan no, you didn't. The left created a false narrative of the evils of whites, men, and christians. Then have systemically persecuted those groups throughout media, academia, employment, and even politics. Create a false dragon to slay, then slay anyone who points out you just killed a normal man no more flawed than any other.

[@Mate397]

@@Chugargonfan I genuinely can't think of any, care to give examples please?

[@MetulManiac]

YMS: I feel, I feel, I feel, I feel, and I don't care what other people feel What an annoying person.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Not like you, people like you 😉

[@bongwaterbojack]

sigh, this EFAP made me lose a lot of respect for YMS. Not because he and I have disagreeing opinions, more because of how often he didn't hold up to standards hes preached in his own videos. Most clear one being his central point to the Kimba video. "Don't hold strong opinions about things you haven't personally researched." Absolutely solid advice. What does he do? Makes wild claims about Drinker based on comments he's seen about his "reputation."

[@aesiddoway]

“If you plebs just traveled all over the country to attend niche, expensive movie festivals more often instead of working at your silly nine to five jobs, you would have a healthier film diet like me. 🤗 Then hating on Hollywood wouldn’t be your only joy in life.”

[@forrestredd2706]

Luke Skywalker chucking his father's lightsaber into the sea, has nothing to do with him being 80 years old. it has to do with a sever lack of understanding of the character and its source material.

[@wytho3751]

The first saber ever seen on screen. "An elegant weapon." The one his friend and mentor passed to him to begin his training like his father. The one we see Luke first use the Force on to save himself from the Wampa. The one he lost at the moment of his darkest hour (along with his hand). The one representative of the life of Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight; y'know... the person Luke saved. And this chick BRINGS THIS THING BACK TO YOU FROM BESPIN?! Rian Johnson is a fucking simpleton.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

Adum's problem is that, while his criticisms are mostly apolitical, his political views are biased in favor of leftist ideology. In this case, he's sticking his head in the sand and ignoring the mountain of examples that a dozen KZbinrs have presented of obvious bias in modern films. Speaking as someone who lives in LA and works in film and TV, that bias absolutely exists.

[@tincano-beans2114]

And your criticisms are totally unbiased right? 😂 all opinions are based on opinion which is the most biased thing in all of existence.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

@@tincano-beans2114Okay, 1) I never said I was unbiased. The point was that Adum is heavily biased toward the left, and that's why he's willfully blind on this topic. 2) The reason that matters is because not everything is a matter of opinion. Objectivity is a thing. It's ironic that you're indirectly defending Adum by appealing to subjectivity when a lot of his criticisms are objective. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you already knew this. I don't think you're some stupid person who doesn't know what objective reality is, which then means that you're just being dishonest. You had no intention of convincing anyone or having a conversation. You just rushed in with a meaningless comment to make yourself feel better, but this won't make you happy. It won't make the sadness or anger go away.

[@fantasticmrmonk]

@@tincano-beans2114seeing you in every comment thread is hilarious. You really had nothing in your life besides defending some furry who doesn’t care about you in the least lol.

[@nicolaslutz1955]

3 words for YMS. “Sweet Baby Inc.”

[@m-ox2tx]

Who have a surprisingly small hold on the industry.

[@denkerbosu3551]

YMS can't argue about there not being a malicious intention when the very producers and actors tell you. YMS is the kind that woule've said "why do you care gay people are in the movie?" When the director specifically said they wanted to adapt X character as a gay person for diversity points. The kind that will pretend that "everything's fine" as they set pop culture on fire around him. Deplorable.

[@TheSetkon]

He sees himself above pop culture. ... unless it's **his** golden calf getting slaughtered...

[@firstnamelastname816]

Why do you care that gay people are in movies?

[@meciocio]

what's malicious about making a character gay?

[@nonamesubhuman]

@@meciocio "adapt X character as a gay person" thats malicious

[@meciocio]

@@nonamesubhuman how is that malicious

[@dennyawright21]

Anyone that defends the last film with Harrison Ford loses all credibility as a critic. Bizarro world. Also YMS talks too much..

[@Yayofangamer16]

He is a zoo file

[@tincano-beans2114]

It was completely average, as movies go. You just attached yourself to the nostalgic image of a decades old movie character and take personal offense 😂

[@Dave_L913]

Mauler: There are many of these YMS: Can you give me some examples? Mauler: How many would you need to concede that it's an issue? YMS: Regardless if there are examples

[@TheAlienmorph]

I respect YMS for being willing to have a civil conversation about this kind of stuff, but... yeahh, he's trying really hard not to see certain trends, isn't he?

[@UchihaOokami2596]

well to reinforce what he said way too many times he 'just doesnt care".

[@lilmovieperp3599]

he watches more movies than you guys do. You guys are number 23ing shit lol

[@9mmsleepingpill851]

You get excommunicado by your "friends" when you go against the ideology Cathedral.

[@rileylavid5025]

this YMS guy was lying to himself the whole time lol.

[@cristianaraujo9293]

He is a homosexual 💀

[@117johnpar]

"I dont think its malicious" Kathleen Kennedy wearing a "The force is female" tshirt everywhere. Yes, Yes it is malicious. They say it is.

[@BK-sh2pn]

How is that malicious?

[@chillpengeru]

​@@BK-sh2pn"The force is male" "the force is black" "the force is white" "the force is straight." All of these things would be horrible but I guess it's ok if it's a bunch of chicks. It's literally saying "fuck men, star wars is for girls you losers."

[@smergthedargon8974]

That was from a shoe promotion, not related to Star Wars. Was a coincidence.

[@chillpengeru]

@@smergthedargon8974 Kathleen Kennedy was specifically invited for her connection to star wars, Bozo. Can she not read? She knows the shirt is referencing star wars. Not to mention she closes out her speech at the event saying it. You really have to be playing purposefully dumb to think it was all an accident or something. Or you have to assume Kathleen doesn't have any idea how to read what's on her shirts.

[@smergthedargon8974]

@@chillpengeru Isn't it from an event from before she was even put in charge of star wars?

[@TheRedGauntlet]

Classic case of brainrot by political discourse

[@janehrahan5116]

Brainrot by refusing to talk about political discourse. The people ruining media are doing so for ideological reasons and media isn't their only avenue of ruining society to build their brave new world.

[@doubledawg2006]

“Do you see the mountain of evidence that supports my assertion?” “Yeah, it doesn’t bother me, and also it isn’t compelling evidence, and also I think you may be misinterpreting it, though I don’t have any evidence to support this opinion.” Sigh.

[@silverscorpio24]

This guy must've been blown away with how Gandalf was written.

[@tincano-beans2114]

An angel pretending to be an old man? Gandalf was, in no way, actually old in the mortal sense my dude.

[@silverscorpio24]

@@tincano-beans2114 He was still the mentor archtype: unable to do things directly by himself and guided the main heroes through their journey. He wasn't Gabriel; he was Merlin.

[@redtintedglasses3529]

I don't understand how lazy writers + old actors + nostalgia generation = disrespected fan favorite characters who want to die. Surely the obvious result would be overpowered versions of the characters where their age isn't accounted for. My next bets would be they're written almost exactly the same as their younger versions to a pandering degree or they're the wise old mentor figures whether it makes sense or not. These ingredients don't make the dish you think they do.

[@bashamd96]

To avoid everything it comes with they skip the sadly important political from lazy writers and just simplfy it

[@tincano-beans2114]

Lazy writers use old actors to bait nostalgic people. Never did the fine print say your old man would be a super cool badass my dude.

[@redtintedglasses3529]

@@tincano-beans2114 No, but a lazy writer will be one who takes that path of least resistance, that's pretty much what lazy means. So we take a writer who has to bring back a fan-favorite character for an old actor, what would we expect to be the most obvious and simple thing to do? I think the answer would be a lot like Han Solo in the Force Awakens (before he was killed). Lazy writer doesn't think about who the character is on a deep level or how he's grown, but instead just goes off of basic pop culture knowledge. "Han is scoundrel smuggler. Okay, I will write Han as scoundrel smuggler," in this case ignoring any character growth or using any imagination to put him in a new situation. People liked Han smuggling with Chewie while being in trouble with a larger crime syndicate, so let's just do that again! That's exactly what I expect from a lazy writer. So when YMS argues, "All these legacy characters who want to die because they're old could just be explained by lazy writers, old actors, and the nostalgia generation," I don't think that adds up. If I hadn't seen a movie in twenty years and you gave me those three components and asked, "how do you expect these characters to be handled?" I would never in a million years guess this was the result, so I don't accept it as a sufficient explanation. Maybe it happens once as a fluke. But if it's a pattern? There must be some other factor involved.

[@jackkentner158]

Remember guys, for every major blockbuster coming out that sucks, there’s an obscure indie films out there to make up for those even though those are parades around as the best! And also don’t acknowledge all of the bad indie films.

[@poppag8281]

I have issues with yms but I don't think thats his arguement

[@GeraltofRivia22]

That's the same argument people use whenever someone criticises the state of the music industry. "There's still great music out there, you just have to find it". Yeah, compared to the past when it was all over the radio and not relegated to some small indie bands barely anyone has heard of.

[@nothing4mepls973]

Can't believe the video game industry is the only one where indies are 1. Actually good 2. Getting the attention they deserve.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@poppag8281 its a counterargument phrased sarcastically. Its not his argument, its why his argument is wrong. His actual argument is an outright lie anyway.

[@0er069]

"I don't think there's a consistency." *describes a consistency*

[@feliperisseto9113]

This is fascinating to watch. He can't even concede that the situation is real, at the same time admitting that no amount of evidence will be enough. He is just lying.

[@letmelie4757]

I dislike people whosay "Oh, you could be right. But I dont agree with it"

[@milmil5350]

I don't think that's worth disliking people over. Yes, that phrase could be used to refuse to admit you're wrong when you know it. But sometimes you know you're right, but just don't know how to articulate yourself properly. It's perfectly valid to say, "Let's agree to disagree. You could be right, I just don't agree. Let's move on peacefully." Bars. lol

[@jodi2847]

​@@milmil5350Except they never say "You could be right" because God forbid.

[@letmelie4757]

@milmil5350 I'd agree, but he doesn't say that. He continues to elaborate on his point, not acknowledging their argument. For example, Mauler was saying there's a right way to do old characters, while he kept reiterating, "How else could they do it?" And "How often do they actually do it?" Both arguments are redundant, but he uses the phrase to break the conversation and elaborate on his points. I agree it could be used how you said, but I mean, not on a light-form debate podcast, right?

[@PhillipOnTakos]

YMS was just so insufferable in this one. Making arguments to defend stuff he doesn't like and hasn't watched because, someone he doesn't like and doesn't watch is saying something he doesn't agree with.

[@wastedpastor1924]

YMS is STILL comparing drinker to channels like Ben Shapiro and Tim pool when they’re not at all alike lmao m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWKpaYaEZ8l2pqs Here’s the clip of him saying it

[@YouTubeLovestoHideComments]

"If you disagree with me, you're a yahtzee." It's a different application of the tired old stereotype. It's a bad faith move to try and discredit detractors.

[@BumLuck]

Pretty typical for these types. When actually confronted with the other side they either concede or waffle endlessly, and afterward they go back to the echo chamber like nothing happened. It was the same with IHE and Just Write.

[@shortafroman4]

23:46 What drives me absolutely insane is the framework of "you are slighted because you attached your IDENTITY to these characters." It has absolutely nothing to do with who *I* am, I just watched the damn thing and PAID ATTENTION. So when the consistency is broken to tell a stupid story, it's just a mediocre product that isn't as artistically sound. And when you *insult* me by insinuating that I'm identifying an issue only because I'm attached in a personal way, rather than just critically thinking and critiquing? What a pretentious assumption. "I feel like I'm understanding these people more" you're understanding the made up strawman you created, not the audience. Understanding people whose arguments you crafted out of thin air in a discussion is the height of pretentiousness.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Sounds like you attach your identity to theses characters ngl

[@shortafroman4]

@@tincano-beans2114 Nah, I just don't care to have my opinion on what bad writing and characters is determined by another person through such a lazy argument. That's all.

[@otterfire4712]

In the Lorax, the old man had almost completely gave up in despair from the consequence of his actions. However, he kept a single seed in the hopes of passing it on to someone who could cherish and nourish it to revive the trees. Once someone came along, he was able to have enough confidence to act.

[@David_the_Psalmist]

I miss Dr. Seuss.

[@Timbo_Slice]

God i remember this EFAP, still to this day nothing has ever sounded more pretentious than "media diet"

[@moosehreviews3420]

Every film reviewer I used to respect are all becoming spineless at the same time and i don't know how to feel about it

[@nothing4mepls973]

TDS is real. Hollywood has convinced wokies that if they can just make a lot of terrible movies out of beloved franchises to piss off normal people, they can fix the world somehow. Hasn't worked so far, but since when has that stopped leftists.

[@thomaspeterson8357]

Mauler's theory of the Indiana Jones 5 pitch meeting, where he supposes they were going for a happy ending where Indy picks up his hat and has a new lease on life, is wrong. Originally they had the fibi waller Bridge character take the hat after Indy dies. I believe they even had him die in such a way, through some kind of time travel shenanigans, where he is erased from existence, and she goes on to be responsible for all of Indy's heroics throughout history. That was their original plot, but the test screenings were so bad they had to change it to what we got instead.

[@KaiserShounen]

do you have proof of this?

[@jodi2847]

@@KaiserShounen Dude look it up, it's not hard.

[@mattmark94]

@KaiserShounen Indy 5's original plot leaked a long time ago

[@KaiserShounen]

aigh man was just asking a question since I didn't see the movie@@jodi2847

[@thomaspeterson8357]

@@KaiserShounen it was reported and talked about on efap, nerdrotic, critical drinker and many others. The part about Waller bridge going back in history to accomplish all of Indy's past heroics because he got erased from existence after his time travel death was plot leaks from industry insiders. Indy dieing at the end of the movie and Waller bridge taking his hat and going off as the new Indy did indeed make it into the early screenings of the movie and was then changed. Mauler either forgot or was just trying to concede some points to his guest by saying that the filmmakers probably started off with a happy ending for Indiana Jones in mind

[@Darkington]

I've seen too many interviews, from directors and writers, talking about how the past was problematic to believe this consistent character assassination is merely a lack of skill.

[@Fluffy6555]

No you didn't

[@Darkington]

​@@Fluffy6555damn, you're right.

[@NicTheGreek1979]

"I feel like" Sick of people saying that when they mean "I think"...

[@madratter7031]

Damn I thought Adam was being a devils advocate, but nah he's actually defending this shit? Strange

[@tincano-beans2114]

Bit of both, combined with the narrative already baked into the video.

[@9mmsleepingpill851]

@@tincano-beans2114 You replied to every comment. Are you YMS or some autistic fan boy?

[@lorddolamite6141]

This will be a hard listen, not because of YMS' takes (well, yes actually) but also that voice is just beyond grating to me.

[@mrdropkicker1]

Why is it that the people with the most annoying takes also have the most annoying voices (looking at you, Organized Chaos)

[@lorddolamite6141]

Lack of testerone kills brain cells as well as vocal cords.

[@kingleech16]

@@mrdropkicker1 OC is top tier terrible voice.

[@johngavin3180]

​@mrdropkicker1 probably because narcissists like the sound of their own voices.

[@Her_Sisko]

It's almost comical how many times you point out specific examples and quotes about how they are assassinating tentpole male figures because they hate them and he just says basically: "Nuh uh"

[@Mondoradan]

What else could they do with an older actor who can't do action in an Indiana Jones movie? You don't even have to leave the series to see, we've already got that in the Last Crusade. Connery wasn't actually that old but his character didn't do anything that current day Ford can't.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

And it's arguably the best movie in the series.

[@stock6600]

This was one of the rare EFAPs i simply dropped after 40ish minutes and never returned to, simply because of how obnoxious YMS was

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodc8475]

Im not familiar with YMS at all but man, definitely not a good impression when he comes off as "I watch arthouse films, I do not partake in the mainstream slodge so im not familiar nor do i acknowledge the issues you are talking about" Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this isnt representative of him as a whole but the amount of times he's said things along the lines of "Haven't watched it, don't acknowledge it" and "I am so smart for having no attachment to characters and not watching famous movies" really ticked me off

[@martinsoar9234]

It is😂 he's a movie snob and gives off the "wahh why do you nerds care about a multi billion dollar company buying your favourite IPs and shitting all over them

[@hungtotheover3385]

I watched Sound of Freedom last night and really loved it. I seriously don’t see why YMS is so adamant on the film being problematic and insulting the people who do like it.

[@BigBroTejano]

Because for some mind boggling reason the a large portion of the political left has decided being stridently anti-child trafficking makes you an evil bigoted person.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Because he's better than you. Can't you hear the pedigree in his media analysis?! The very timbre of his voice!

[@arturzinurov4781]

Because he is playing team politics. He is legitimately a sjw at this point

[@gaychampagnesocialist7213]

Because people who don't like slavery and like jesus like the movie, so it must be wrong.

[@jodi2847]

He's just one more critic who trashes the film for REASONS. Critics have never been more tribal than in their outspoken disdain for Sound of Freedom.

[@arturzinurov4781]

Man this was infuriating debate not only because YMS had bad takes but because the crew were too soft him. Ps idk how YMS can deny the intentions of the creators when the creators themselves say “this is old it’s needs to fit the modern audience” yet here comes this film gourmet saying “nah what they say they are doing and what yall think they are doing is wrong” he is either denying it cause he clearly playing team politics or he actually doesn’t even know what the creators are saying, either way he is just wrong.

[@Galvatronover]

If they did go hard they would be considered as hanging up on him plus they still respect his opinion regardless if they agree with it

[@arturzinurov4781]

@@Galvatronover and why would it be bad that they are considered “as hanging up on him” especially when they replaced yms with drinker for Saw X reaction…..

[@DaMaster012]

I wonder if Mauler was sending DMs to Rags and Fringy while YMS was blathering on about his elitist opinions that said something like; "Never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake."

[@Mate397]

@@DaMaster012 Sounds like something Mauler would do.

[@haytonism]

Okay, having watched more of this, it has become fairly obvious this fella isn't arguing in anything remotely approaching good faith. He's either feigning ignorance, or he's astonshingly uneducated on the very argument he chose to partake in. People aren't soul destroyed because they were so ideologically invested in these characters they see as being ruined. People are annoyed at seeing story and character sacrificed on the alter of faux virtue.

[@GrayMatter337]

i feel like this "corruption of returning characters" thing is more indicative of a lack of respect for what came before as a whole. A lot of companies have handed old properties to new people who want to tell their own stories. They want the star wars budget, the star wars setting, but not necessarily the star wars legacy characters. They want their characters in starwars, or their interpretation of star wars to take center stage regardless of validity or how respectful it may be. Theres a sort of "this baby doesnt smell like me" where some people are entirely incapable of continuing a legacy project without looking behind them with disdain for a canon they see themselves chained to, or an incessant need to deconstruct whats there, or simply a want to leave their mark on the story even if they have to tear down or blemish what came before. My go to example is halo. The franchise was literally handed to people who hated it (literally a quote from interviews) and was left under the knife of people who ignored or even flat out hated established lore and legacy characters to the point that people kept getting pissed off at them for bringing back legacy characters just to shoot them in the head cuz it happened so often. Sometimes literally. The company didnt care about what came before, only what they could add to the franchise, to the point of retconning tons of lore, trying to explain things that were intentionally left vague, and literally being surprised that people were attached to the main fucking character of the series (another direct quote). Even if the trend isnt malicious, which i doubt everyone who falls into it is doing it on purpose, there is a trend going on about ignoring or kneecapping what came before to pump up whats new. The reasons for it can be debated all day, malicious intent or complete ineptitude, it doesnt really matter. But it IS happening, and it has been for a while. Theres too many examples. Halo, legend of korra (shares SOME writers with atla, but not all of them), star wars, indiana jones, kill the justice league, the entire dceu movie lineup, a lot of the new marvel movies, etc. Its just far too common to be pure coincidence. Furthermore, the reason people get pissed about this happening a lot of the time has nothing to do with them shackling their personal identity to the franchise or characters. A lot of the time its just that this was the one chance this movie had to exist. The halo tv show exists exactly as terribly as it does, and because it exists in its current state that means we fuckin lost out on seeing an faithful adaptation with that budget and manpower. Hell, a GOOD adaptation even. Every movie, show, game, or anything that comes out might as well be fucking murdering another hypothetical movie. Because the sequel trilogy exists the way it does, we lost the chance for an actually good trio of movies with the og characters. Carrie Fisher is fucking dead. Suicide Squad would have been our last kevin conroy performance if he didnt do recordings for a new show. He spends the whole game getting memed on and shot in the head with his last line basically being "your jokes are cringe lmao." They couldve spent the whole game respecting this man and character, instead one of his last performances is now a gd joke. Its ridiculous

[@NanashiSC2]

YMS is so used to just talking himself. He doesn't listen very well

[@hephaestusrising5598]

What a terrible take: because I didn't care about it, it doesn't matter.

[@BigIndividual]

This is your brain on internet tribalism. Not even once…

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

"I don't feel generally, very attached to any of those character in a nostalgic way, I'm trying to think of a good example of something where I could feel that same way." Jesus, Adam, really? Scar? Mufasa? The Lion King? You've literally long-manned about Kimba, The Lion King, and The Lion King remake in the past, how can you possibly forget that?

[@Fluffy6555]

At no point is it about nostaglic attachment. It's about explaining how the remake takes away the emotions of the original. It has no intention of trying to establish a trend of nostalgic characters getting trashed on.

[@GigaChadh976]

⁠@@Fluffy6555thats absolutely an example of nostalgic attachment. Are all yms fans disabled or are you the exception?

[@Fluffy6555]

@@GigaChadh976 no. It's just explaining how one movie is better than the other. At no point does YMS say "Disney ruined Lion King, Simba, Mufasa, my childhood, the legacy of the disney renaissance movies, blah blah blah" you get my drift. He didn't dedicate 10+ hours of content to the live action movie and hasn't made his entire identity as a creator hating on it, nor does his podcast Sardonicast dedicate their time to hating on it. It's a 2.5 hour video comparing the OG and remake, breaking down every level of production, not just seething over plot and characters.

[@thebarkingyears]

Adum's arguments were incredibly frustrating but these comments are encouraging. Glad to see no one is convinced by this blatant reality denial.

[@tincano-beans2114]

Ungu bunga yes, we tribe strong 💪, they woke and broke!

[@thebarkingyears]

@@tincano-beans2114 joking or stupid?

[@nonamesubhuman]

@@thebarkingyears stupid

[@Shlankyman545]

tincano is on damn near every comment starting arguments

[@alrightsquinky7798]

Jones literally starts the movie as an alcoholic failure of a man, very similar to Han Solo in Star Wars VII. It is 100% an intentional deconstruction of past heroes.

[@GoHawk70]

This is what it looks like to be tied to an ideology and a fanbase with that ideology. You won't be allowed to concede obvious points and instead try to weasel your way around them.

[@BWGmedia]

I just think it’s sad that throughout this struggle session he appears to have some remorse and walk back some of his opinions and even seems to realize where he went wrong: assuming drinker was a bad person and commentator over political biases and audience capture…. And then within the last month has continued to make the same error :/ It’s almost like he’s being two-faced and when he doesn’t have efap or anyone else (ahem yms community) to hold his feet to the fire he feels more comfortable parroting the same tired talking points attempting to convert them into brownie points.

[@kingleech16]

You said BROWNIE!?!?! Report for re-education at once!

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

ugh. I made it 39 seconds in before YMS says something moronic. He implies that because they use the same actors for these roles, who are now pretty old, this is the only way to write these characters. "I don't know how else you're going to write them." is his exact quote. How little creativity and empathy for growing older do you have inside your brain to think there is only one way to write these characters. Might be revealing a little more of himself than he realizes to see an old male character and see the only creative option as making them a tired, depressed person. Being elderly doesn't mean you can't still have purpose and hope.

[@nobiggie7786]

Take a drink every time YMS says "i don't care" or something along those lines

[@the_absurd_hero]

Tried that. His takes made even less sense... and then I puked (dunno if it was related to the alcohol though)

[@mariokarter13]

I give this YMS take a 2 out of 10, it's closer to a 1 than a 3, ok bye.

[@TS-qr3rk]

EFAP: this thing is happening YMS: is it really though like do you have examples? EFAP: (examples) YMS: AHH but like I dont CARE, Im a better person than you because I watch other movies, Im jealous of drinker

[@DUKEzors]

The thing I missed when watching this originally is YMS having an utter disdain for elderly folks.