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[@samzilla567]

2:25:30 I still love how everyone agreed that Black Adam was going to be the benchmark of what a Superhero Box Office failure looked like, and in only 1 year that benchmark was broken twice.

[@Сайтамен]

Six times - Shazam 2, Flash, Ant-man 3, Blue Beetle, Marvels, Aquaman 2.

[@Wahba.]

​@@СайтаменI love how the last two hasn't come out yet but we all know the outcome lol

[@jonbaxter2254]

Black Adam has made more money than any other DCEU film in the last 5 years lol

[@e.c.winner7252]

Black Adam wasn’t good, but it was fun. I actually kind of liked it for the most part. Some stuff was cringe, but overall it was ok.

[@Skaldzerker]

​@Wahba. Hello from a few days after Disney announced they would no longer be reporting box office numbers for The Marvels. It's tracking to be the worst flop by percentage in box office history, let alone in the MCU lol

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Creativity 0:37 Jingle all the way 9:25 The New Era 10:23 The Article 11:49 Avatar 12:30 Thanksgiving 13:14 Geography 15:12 Guy Fawkes Night 16:19 Loki 17:45 EFAP Phase 1: Variety’s Cover Story 21:14 Jonathan Majors 27:47 Marvel’s Maturity 32:54 Consequences of the strike 34:18 The Marvels 41:10 The Cats 44:20 Box Office Success 46:50 The Source 49:45 The Snake That Bite His Tail 52:40 Writers & Writing 55:10 Complications & Contradictions 56:05 Fixing The MCU 58:00 Villain 1:04:18 Superhero Fatigue 1:07:30 Analogy 1:09:13 The Marvels, Budgets & Box Office 1:15:14 The Secret 1:15:48 The Marvels 1:17:55 X-Men 1:20:08 Team 1:22:39 Directing 1:27:27 Delays & Tests 1:29:05 Average 1:30:53 CGI & The never-ending stream 1:44:11 TV & Movies: Quality & CEOs 1:46:26 She-Hulk 1:58:25 Marvel Quality 2:00:16 Half-baked & Undercooked 2:01:50 Suits 2:06:06 Blade 2:10:58 Reviving 2:13:57 Majors Problem 2:33:43 Plans & Pre-sales 2:27:00 Financials 2:28:25 Fox Catalogue & New Heroes 2:31:41 Worshipping The Fall 2:38:12 EFAP Phase 2: Rumours 2:39:28 Iron Man 2:41:39 The Incredible Hulk 2:46:13 Iron Man 2 2:49:43 Thor 2:51:50 Captain America: The First Avenger 2:52:57 The Avengers 2:53:50 Iron Man 3 2:55:07 Thor: The Dark World 2:58:27 Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2:59:35 Guardians of the Galaxy 3:01:31 Avengers: Age of Ultron 3:04:40 Captain America: Civil War 3:07:12 Doctor Strange 3:09:12 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 3:12:20 Spider-Man: Homecoming 3:13:45 Thor: Ragnarok 3:16:12 Black Panther 3:16:25 Avengers: Infinity War 3:20:32 Ant-Man and the Wasp 3:20:56 Captain Marvel 3:21:31 Avengers: Endgame 3:25:33 Spider-Man: Far From Home 3:26:08 WandaVision 3:27:18 Black Widow 3:29:15 The Falcon and the Winter Soldier 3:22:21 Loki 3:33:58 Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings 3:35:06 Eternals 3:36:10 Hawkeye 3:37:15 Spider-Man: No Way Home 3:40:52 Moon Knight 3:42:10 Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (1) 3:43:58 Melvin 3:46:03 Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2) 3:49:03 Ms. Marvel 3:49:30 Thor: Love and Thunder 3:53:20 She-Hulk: Attorney at Law 3:55:11 Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (1) 3:56:43 Aquaman 3:57:27 Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2) 3:58:28 Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania 4:01:33 Guardians Of The Galaxy Volume 3 4:03:44 Secret Invasion 4:05:22 P-Break 4:09:50 EFAP Phase 3: Love & Betrayal 4:21:23 Background Arrangement 4:22:48 Accepted Narratives 4:26:30 The Big Problem 4:37:00 Moving Forward 4:41:36 Blade 4:51:00 D+ 4:58:40 Reviving & Continuity 5:13:09 The Future 5:27:22 A Coherent Conclusion? 5:30:10 Meme 5:30:50 EFAP Phase 4: I’m Sorry Marvel 5:34:23 Echo & The Evolution 5:40:37 Writers & Directors 5:42:32 Loki’s Latest Adventure 5:43:40 Future Projects 5:44:50 Guardians III 5:46:09 Superman Legacy 5:46:38 Marvel’s Year & The Multiverse Saga 5:51:41 The Composer’s Room 5:52:34 Echo 6:01:18 In Marvel We Trust 6:19:00 Lameology 6:20:38 This Explain Everything 6:21:37 EFAP Micro: The Echo Trailer 6:26:54 EFAP Phase 5: Star Wars Theory 6:28:20 The budget is the problem 6:37:14 The budget is not the Problem 6:42:06 Andor & Star Wars 6:49:30 Be Nice 6:51:15 George 6:52:11 The budget is the problem (again) 7:02:30 Criticism 7:05:12 Blade Runner 7:08:00 The Last Jedi 7:09:20 Theories 7:21:56 Frustration 7:24:17 What is SW? (and how bis is it?) 7:26:28 F & F 7:29:33 Green Light & Canon 7:32:20 A Fascinating Adventure 7:33:00 Conclusions, Origins, and Projections 7:44:00 Closing

[@zerowolf0006]

May the Don bless you

[@JohnnyDoorknob]

Thank you kind hate monger

[@yaboiportch]

Bless your autism friend 🙏

[@lukew6725]

This is fire bro! 🔥

[@dustyfilmsgaming1983]

Blessings of the Long upon ye.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

When he said that "Marvel clapped back" I almost had a stroke. Does he think that episode was made and then released in a day in response to the criticisms? Does he think it was already made and/or they made a second version and were just sitting on it, a "break glass in case of" situation, then received the backlash and decided to release an "especially good" episode? Because that's what he makes it sound like, that's how he's framing it.

[@axelvoss9653]

I don't think he understands half the words that spew from his ever-gaping maw.

[@RiscuitLancer]

Loki brainrot is real, when I told my 50 year old normie relative that I didn't watch Loki because I wanted to watch and focus on better stuff he looked at me in actual disbelief

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Thank god I’ve not watched a single MCU based show. I’ve grown up during the 90’s when we had the Marvel cartoon shows that used to air on Fox Kids, and they’re far more consistent & better written than this shit.

[@charliechumbuck9356]

This is gonna sound really weird, and I'm curious as to how many people kinda agree with the statement I'm about to make, but after "watching" season 2 of Loki via watching a group of youtubers do a reaction series to it (in which they used _numerous_ clips from the series in a fairly coherent way), I actually kinda like season 2 of Loki? Now, don't get me wrong, the worldbuilding is _awful_ imo, and the logic of the entire show (this season included) seems confusing and nonsensical (at least to me). However, for some reason, I guess I was able to turn my brain off enough to really enjoy Loki seeming to act a _bit_ more like his old self (with him using his powers more and being cruel during the "Brad torture scene" as I call it), and I honestly kinda enjoyed seeing Loki basically become omnipotent at the end. Maybe I just feel like season 1 did Loki such injustice that I was glad to see season 2 treat him with seemingly much more respect (at least in the clips that I've seen). Also, does anyone else keep wanting to call Loki Season 2 "Loki 2?" I was trying to find those reaction videos from those youtubers I mentioned earlier, and I was so confused as to why they didn't have a playlist for "Loki 2" until I realized they naturally appended the six new videos to the end of the "Loki" playlist, lol.

[@matchesburn]

@@charliechumbuck9356 I somewhat enjoyed watching Loki, but I realize that the show has... so many problems... with it that I can in no way say it's good. It's slop. I fully admit that. Had it not had Tom Hiddleston/Loki it would have been unbearable to watch. And even then at some times it made me facepalm.

[@jerix5882]

It's an oddly common occurence when people make a video like "it's over for star wars/MCU" then post a video of themselves shortly after being "hyped" for the next disney product because a new commercial came out. These people are worse than shills.

[@obiwon1237]

Quintissential Star Wars Theory

[@Сайтамен]

​@@obiwon1237 Because his channel is based on Star Wars. He needs to post news about Star Wars or nobody will watch him.

[@LB-py9ig]

I hate people's blind worship of their own feelings at a particular moment for exactly this reason.

[@noahsmith7354]

I think Rags said this, but they are plants. They are stimulated by sunlight, and when the sun goes away, all neural activity ceases.

[@obiwon1237]

@@Сайтамен Did you peer into an alternate reality where he didn't post Star Wars content? If not then you don't know that. Why would you be so quick to defend his shilling for Disney and how he only turns on the shows once he's done milking every last view out of them while they're still airing?

[@The_Truth_Logic]

Was fortunate enough to join this live. Was truly an informational and entertaining viewing. Unlike anything Disney Marvel has in recent years or will produce until things change.

[@dans1129]

It's closer than ever. Too poor. Shut up, rebrand, change. All they have left. Or we get to watch Nelson Peltz successfully couping disney and firing them all 😂

[@kevinjackman4026]

If Michael Shannon was Vulture, "Where did you learn to make a flying bird suit from alien ship parts, ON A FARM???

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

Why, yes, I’m fact!

[@UniversalConscript]

A Leitmotif is a melody you can find in different songs, such in film and video game music. A Jingle is a short piece of music, that exists on its own.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

That's not entirely accurate, a leitmotif is a melody or rhythm associated with a character, place, or idea that can be found in other music. The imperial March was initially used as a leitmotif for Vader specifically, Wagner's operas featured hundreds of leitmotifs to connect moments in the music to characters in the story

[@UniversalConscript]

@@darkpuppetlordful You are correct.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

Also, leitmotifs are meant to be flexible, which is why they tend to be pretty simple. It's like how Team America had the "America, fuck yeah," arranged as the triumphant rock song, but at the low point it is re-arranged as a slow and depressing ballad. Imagine that but with a melody that can be fast, slow, quiet, loud, happy, and sad depending on the scene.

[@nont18411]

Godzilla Minus One’s budget: 15 million dollars Better Call Saul final season’s budget (13 episodes): around 40 million dollars Obi-wan Kenobi’s budget (6 episodes): 90 million dollars But according to Star Wars Theory, 90 mil is considered as a “few pennies”.

[@camillecunningham7348]

Godzilla Minus One's budget is only 15 million?! That film looks gorgeous.

[@TheMaleRei]

"a few pennies"? ?!?! Is he a potato?

[@petriew2018]

@@TheMaleRei yes is that even up for debate anymore? He's given himself fully over to the cope side.

[@Сайтамен]

For Hollywood executives it certainly is...

[@arkoa0000]

​@@petriew2018Pretty sure it goes beyond the cope side into dumb dingus side when he says TLJ was a good film and the other cringe stuff he said

[@Num1n0us]

Mauler: "it could be a long one" Everyone on planet earth: "as opposed to what??? you're EFAP!!!"

[@nagger8216]

True, this one didn't even reach the 8 hour mark. smh EFAP, do better

[@dutchmansmine9053]

"YOU ARE THE LONG MAN!"

[@inferior3199]

I love how the reason for Dr Strange not being in Wandavision is conveniently left out

[@Avarn388]

@inferior3199 Because folks like Matt, don't want to accept that the franchise they've been following may have been led by someone who isn't as good as they portrayed themselves to be. The fact that Strange(who we didn't even know he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme at the time) didn't show up is a massive red flag. At least have the decency to say he's off world. Conveinent but not impossible. It just made Strange look like an idiot and all for what, because Strange is a white dude? I hate identity politics and culture war BS but dear lord, why does it matter he's white?! He's one of the most capable sorcerers in the Marvel universe. If anything could help Wanda, it's him!

[@Relugus]

It was because MoM has no narrative connection to WandaVision. Feige's answer was bullshit as they did the misogynist Bendis trash. Wanda is at Mount Wundagore at the end of WandaVision, but Raimi fucked up and had Wong somehow knows where Chthon is (if the sorcerers knew that, why didn't they destroy Chthon's temple?). Chthon is the one who created chaos magic, Wanda, and the Darkhold...yet Raimi, idiot that he is, opted to focus on the stupid kids instead of the Elder God.

[@jimberjamber8540]

@@Relugus I wouldn't blame Raimi for any of this. He had barely any creative control. They only got him for the name recognition, like they do with all of their directors.

[@dusky5535]

I'm still looking forward to that Wins/Sins on Puss in Boots 2 lol

[@dramsac17]

"Half-baked" is an idea that isn't properly thought out. So a show might have a half-baked premise that doesn't work if you think about it too much. "Under-cooked" is something that was started and then served unfinished. So that would be a show that doesn't fully accomplish the things it set out to do. Ironically, I imagine that the writer of this article believes that using two different cooking metaphors in the same sentence was clever and artistic. I doubt they considered that it comes off more as confusing and redundant.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Yo! Loki, God of Stories is about to cook kang after rolling up from the deep and asking kang "what's up?" That's fire! that fire is what's going to reanimate and save the mcu, who got hospitalized due to his ketamine addiction! Star wars theorist suggest that even the inclusion of Toby McGuire's Spider-man could not save Andor runner 2027 bya from Boredom.

[@Miyuki2319]

With Toby McGuire's Spiderman

[@HectorLopez0217]

Loki has to be the ringleader so Tobey Maguire can stare down Kang

[@sparkypack]

​@@HectorLopez0217ringleader? Is Frodo and Bilbo showing up as well?

[@HunterMearo]

I can't wait for Kang to be beaten by the pretty smart wolverant wielding claws of Fentanylanium.

[@acesuperwolf3277]

My head hurts

[@GodotIsWaiting4U]

Brometheus stole fire from the peak of olympus so men could cook

[@jroggs85]

Jonathan Majors' legal issues are actually a boon for Disney. They already made Kang a lame pushover joke multiple times; removing him from the plans could only make future films and TV series better.

[@pwh1981]

I admire your optimism that things won't just get even worse.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

Nah they'll just be lazy and give the chick who plays Renslayer on Loki the "she's a secret Kang variant" treatment and make Femkang the new Thanos. Literally what loki 2 is setting up

[@phillidaadamus4349]

It could be a boon, one that they are too incompetent to take advantage of.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

A little thing about the way that Hollywood produces movies. Yes, they work 12-16 hours a day, that's what they like to bring up. What they don't bring up is that a lot of that time is spent waiting, or taking mandatory breaks. Like, if you're working on audio or VFX, your manager will come in and be like "HEADPHONES OFF!! MANDATORY 15-MINUTE BREAK!!" and that happens every 45 minutes. So, for them, a 12-hour day is the equivalent of an 8-hour workday. It's why The Simpsons portrayed Teamsters as lazy because, if you're actually in the industry you'll be seeing a lot of film industry workers sitting around on break or waiting for their chance to do some work.

[@ladysnowblood]

It was great having a long EFAP w the OG crew.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Felt like old days. Rip Wolf...

[@Lundarian1]

Long? Anything sub 8 hours is considered short here And the OG crew is Mauler, Wolf and guest Rag''''''s but I appreciate your wholesome subjective comment nonetheless. Don bless.

[@boomer.beasley]

​@@Lundarian1Don was revealed to the world in perhaps the greatest EFAP still to date

[@nont18411]

If Dave Filoni got full control of Star Wars, Ahsoka will become the true protagonist of the franchise and it could be possible that once Disney remade the OT (JJ Abrams used to do the same thing with Star Trek so anything is possible), Ahsoka will be the main character, not Luke. But according to Star Wars Theory, this saves Star Wars.

[@trajanthegreat2928]

Ahsoka wasn’t the main protagonist of her own show, Sabine would become the new Jedi master and Mandalorian, combining all of the Star Wars shows into one ball of condensed sludge.

[@TheMaleRei]

@@trajanthegreat2928 Point is - Luke is sidelined at best. Disappeared at worst.

[@petriew2018]

@@trajanthegreat2928 you forget the true genius of Dave Filoni : he could not care less about even his own continuity and the idiots will STILL run defense for him.

[@Сайтамен]

​@@trajanthegreat2928 But Ahsoka will always be there up until the Rise of Skywalker. I'm surprised he didn't include her in the resistance show... although he said he wanted to put Ventress there, but then nobody would care about the main characters... which was the case anyway...

[@deriznohappehquite]

the fundamental problem is that TLJ ruined Luke, so Star Wars has nowhere to go. Also, Lucas isn’t involved, so everything has gotten cargo culty.

[@gromgaming7438]

This efap is straight peak fire no cap absolutely bussin on god frfr

[@shamboholic]

The only reason I’m curious about Echo is how much Disney seems to think it will fail. They confidently made Mermaid, Eternals, Loki, etc; and seemed to have no faith in Andor. To date their confidence in a property has been a kiss of death since at least 2021, their doubts about Echo are practically a recommendation.

[@nont18411]

Funnily enough, what he said about Marvel being its peak when it has brutal deaths and blood is partially true. After all, peak Marvel happened when we used to have the whole Stark family died brutally. - Howard got punched to death in the head by Bucky. - Maria got choked by Bucky. - Tony snapped which burned his whole body and caused his heart to shut down. But what made it good isn’t about the violence of Stark’s deaths. It’s about the implications and the emotional resonance that came from it. If Echo missed that point, then it’s not as “peak”.

[@shamboholic]

@@nont18411 Right you are. Like the “Is CG bad” debate that comes up every while, I think the industry and its sycophants learned “graphic/grimdark/mature = quality” simply because some projects used their tool very well and it stuck. Like any tool of the trade, it’s a question of intentions and planning. A show like HOTD comes in for criticism as depicting a bunch of women in ghastly childbirth or sexual situations, but the choice was made to illustrate the real implications of a world with a self-reinforcing power imbalance, where women are expected to produce children and that very act makes them physically vulnerable and comes at greater toll, yet gives them unique power. Treating that subject with kids gloves when it’s central to the incentives of every character onscreen regardless of gender would sell it short. Meanwhile, if I am making a movie about a teen struggling to grow up without a mom who died in childbirth, I can show that resonate in their life without ever actually depicting that scene. There are no shortcuts to thinking through your goals and then choosing how best to execute them.

[@dutchmansmine9053]

​@@nont18411 Don't forget Eddard Stark

[@EpicJasonX9000]

“It’s Fire!” MauLer should use that line whenever they finally do an EFAP Movies of the 2 Nic Cage Ghost Rider films.

[@teddyharvester]

Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme Jackman and Maguire! Oooh!

[@HectorLopez0217]

Baldur: it’s over Wanda I have a blessing that makes it so nothing harms me Wanda: What blessing?

[@darkpuppetlordful]

Wanda "I read a book on Norse myths that said mistletoe is your weakness" *Baldur has left the chat*

[@Miyuki2319]

Was glad to witness such peak fire cooking live. It's hard for me to tell whether the shills genuinely don't understand why their favorite media is failing or if they are cynically reading the room for the 'correct' answer.

[@666lupine666]

the second one.

[@j-starchaser]

Why not both lol

[@trajanthegreat2928]

For the shill media, I think they’ve always not actually liked superhero stuff but it was successful. Now it’s failing the media can finally stop pretending to like it.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

As much as EFAP promoted Andor, I wasn't convinced to watch it until SWTheory gave it such a bad wrap. I'm only 10 minutes in and it's already better than all other Disney Star Wars.

[@thoronbar]

We got another one bois!

[@JohnnyDoorknob]

Bro, Kingpin beating the shit out of the ice cream guy was straight fire! More like PeakPin

[@sparkypack]

Following up next.. little ice cream boy vs little clown boy.

[@AimlessSavant]

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[@ianhines2302]

It was peak bro, pure fire, they were cooking

[@nont18411]

Peak, fire, cooking are the new “He Vadered. I can’t even.”

[@Сайтамен]

Kingcream

[@S4ns]

MauLer asked how many 11/10 films it would take to save a franchise. The answer is seven. You need 7-11s.

[@11531337]

9..

[@sithsaiyan4529]

@@11531337oof, but yes.

[@vitorschein8073]

​@@11531337😮

[@2ndlegend125]

What ive gathered from the 4chan segment is that Ike used to be the guy who said "No thats stupid", sometimes hes wrong but we dont really see all the times he was probably right. Without him we are getting all the crazy shit now. They needed the guy that said no sometimes.

[@alexhayden219]

Yeah, it seems like he was a hardass and socially problematic, but that he took the company from bankruptcy to worldwide adoration while keeping an eye on the budgets and making sure project creatives had oversight. Once he got pushed out and Feige got complete control, it all started spiraling down the very overpriced commode.

[@lqg4395]

I've started listening to you guys while at work (I mark out Power lines and Coax/Fiber Optics lines). But until recently only listened to Mauler and Rags individually but I gotta say I'm probably gonna start watching Fringy and tune into EFAP more often now.

[@fablewright8300]

3:07:28 Not quite explicitly "it was too goofy", but Deadpool 2 was rumored to have poor test screenings that had the audiences think some of Ryan Reynold's jokes fell rather flat, and they asked for more Cable, a more serious character in the film. I can't think of a different case where test audiences wanted to roll back the humor, but they're probably the reason why we're getting a Deadpool 3. I could very easily see Reynolds' influence only being checked by test audiences, rather than anyone else on set.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

I mean Deadpool is unique, his straight man/Goofball comedy duo with Cable is very popular, so it makes sense people would want more Cable (the savory to Deadpool's sugary humor so to speak)

[@michaelkindt3288]

@1:21:36-.-The Leftovers sounds like The name of a super villain group that formed from a bunch of minor villains from different groups after all the major villains of those groups were all taken care of, but ends up becoming the biggest threat the heroes have faced yet. I don't know of any piece of fiction where this happens, but that's the vibe I get.

[@ryanmontgomery9749]

5:48:58 Loki is "The God of Stories"!? I'm so sad Mauler doesn't do GDELB anymore because holy fuck that's a GDELB statement if I ever heard one.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Oh Hell Yes! I’d love to see that make a return!

[@zacharyt.2694]

What Matt said was stupid, but he could be referencing the comics because, in the comics, the current Loki actually is the God/Goddess of Stories and therefore can control Narratives. Some of the Marvel comics have gotten really meta, especially Defenders Beyond. That, however, obviously has nothing to do with the MCU.

[@clinicallyinane8098]

That article blames Ike Perlmutter for every stupid decision and idea that was ever floated in the MCU. But look what happened to the franchise the moment he was removed. It seems more likely that they've reversed all the roles between Feige and Perlmutter to give Feige cover. Phase 4 and 5 have been a constant lesson in, "Figure out the worst thing possible to do, and somehow so something worse." It's like we expect 1 Cuil of writing, our worst fears can only manage 2 Cuils, but somehow they manage to abstract to 3.

[@oldmatejohnno]

Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product

[@EpicJasonX9000]

(Clapping) Boba Fett!

[@TheTGOAC]

You having the Deadpool and wolverine pfp is top tier satire homie

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

I'm so happy Melvin, brother of the joker was refrenced

[@italyspit5192]

Have a timestamp for that

[@XaviKun]

1:41:00 All of this is exactly how the anime industry works It's honestly embarrassing, the amount of shows that air every season with unfinished animation or simply have to be delayed because they couldn't be finished in time, and yet it's been like this for decades People putting in so much sweat and blood simply because of their pride and love of the medium being exploited by corporations, all the while failing to create an environment to foster new talent

[@samuelmyth8392]

Damn im curious how much money Theory has if he thinks 90 million is equivalent to "pennies"

[@add_some_air7475]

At this point we NEED an ending scene that has a purple Portal open in atmosphere and an unknown object land and the only thing we see and hear is a familiar black silhouette, Glowing eyes, and iconic laugh of Generation 1 Megatron.

[@TempoLOOKING]

Tramsgender and role out. This quip was sponsored by Energon O's the quality breakfast cereal for all ages.

[@O_Rice_0]

to be fair, "fire" is exactly the word i would use to describe the current state of Marvel studios

[@TempoLOOKING]

It is also what I did to my pants in the bathroom today. Hope the toilet isn't alive.😂

[@yaboiportch]

Disney atm is akin to a star that is on the verge of its dying stage. Depending on how its executives act, we'll see if it explodes in a brilliant nova, or collapse under the weight of its own gravity and become a hole in reality from which nothing can escape.

[@bZman]

Holy shit to think Mauler would reference Melvin brother of the Joker.... WOOOOOOOOOW that is an old reference

[@zomgerln]

it's funny how Fringy scoffs at the prospect of an imageboard delivering truthful information when his go-to seems to be Wikipedia.

[@nont18411]

Echo trailer being really good simply shows us that The most hardworking and intelligent people of Disney are the video editors. Their skills of editing trailers are phenomenal. The real show could still be shit though. Kingpin could become like Nick Fury in Secret Invasion.

[@Necrow_Productions]

Yup, a lot of people forget that trailer editors are their own job. They might also edit the movie or show but that's rare. Trailers are made to make you think something will be good so if it's an okay trailer, it's likely the trailer is hiding how bad it is.

[@ericv00]

I haven't bothered to watch the trailer because I won't be watching it, but I do disagree with your general sentiment about editors and have to assume you are younger than 30. Editing in the past decade + has largely been kinda awful. Fast-paced, no time to think editing is done a LOT to hide that things don't make sense or are stupid. You need time to digest information and contemporary editing is designed to obstruct this process to promote a base reaction to pure visuals and manipulative music. I find that often sound cues are nonsensical and lacking creativity. Bassy, oppressive, samey standard samples. Trailers are like bland sugar cookies cut into exactly the same shape depending on the movie genre.

[@SuperMegaGaelourde]

​@@ericv00 Guy- References a trailer and says the editors worked to make it look good You- I haven't seen the trailer, but I assume it sucks. So here's all the reasons I assume it sucks, despite not knowing if it even did the things I'm complaining about. Among my complaints are fast=bad because fast edits can be used to hide things (So I guess the editing in Everything Everywhere All At Once sucks?). And because I made all of these assumptions, I'm also assuming you're young. Dude, if you want to complain about trailers complain about trailers, but right now it just looks like you're belittling someone just to insert your rant in a place where it might not even belong. You seriously sound like that Modern art defender tearing apart the PragerU guy's paintings. They're all samey and only made to be visually appealing, I find them thoughtless and crowded.

[@ericv00]

@@SuperMegaGaelourde I didn't besmirch the trailer. I besmirched the sentiment about editors. And not even all editors. I am careful about my language. I suggest taking another look at my comment. Perhaps you don't like my impression of the OPs age. I am implying inexperience. This is not an insult. Inexperience is inexperience. It is not a reflection of poor judgement or foolishness. 'If you want to complain about trailers, complain about trailers'. Well, I did. I complained about the thing I wanted to complain about, typical, contemporary editing practices that I feel are lazy and formulaic present in most media, including trailers.

[@SuperMegaGaelourde]

@@ericv00 "general sentiment about editors" was the exact quote of what you said. You weren't careful at all about what you said, you didn't even say Disney editors specifically. You said editors. As in all editors. What did op specifically reference? The editors at Disney that worked on that trailer. He never had a "general sentiment about editors" he had a singular sentiment about a single group of editors working hard to polish turds and make things look appealing, which op claims they succeeded in. As for you claiming you aren't trying to insult anyone, that's just stupid and as an autistic person I'm going to go ahead and say even extreme autism couldn't make you this socially backwards. If I was your bartender, and you tell me you want a jack and coke, and I say "What are you 12?" you're just going to take it as what, a compliment? If you wanted me to go back and re-read what you said, maybe you should re-read it. Oh, you just did. I quoted you. Quoted you not doing the thing you just claimed you did like it would save you from an L and not just dig yourself in even deeper.

[@hope-cat4894]

It's weird to seeing places like Variety who were originally saying everything was okay immediately flipping like this. Isn't that kind of jarring for the readers who weren't in the know of the downgrade of Disney?

[@CharlesUrban]

This is kind of an Orwell situation. "We have always been at war with Disney."

[@petriew2018]

you say this like Variety readers are the kind of people that remember yesterdays headline....

[@mr.barcode3186]

Never forget that Disney vehemently insists that Wanda is a misunderstood hero when in reality she is more disgustingly evil than anyone else in the Marvel Multiverse. Yes, even Kang.

[@-JaggedGrace-]

Why is she worse than kang?

[@mr.barcode3186]

@@-JaggedGrace- because however many quintillions of lives Kang has wiped out, Wanda still doomed more by burning the Book of Vishanti.

[@-JaggedGrace-]

@@mr.barcode3186 She didn't even know what it was

[@mr.barcode3186]

@@-JaggedGrace- tell that to the infinite number of people she doomed by burning it. See if they care.

[@-JaggedGrace-]

@@mr.barcode3186 Evil has more to do with intentions than results

[@kylesimmons9457]

Listening to the leaks, it’s as if there’s a switch starting in Infinity War/Endgame where you start to go from “well I’m glad that didn’t happen”, to “I wish that had happened”

[@thanostitan2746]

"Loki is the chosen one in the multiverse saga made me and tobey maguire spiderman team up with loki fighting kang "made me laugh so hard😂😂🤣

[@student6140]

No words not a jingle. It becomes a theme/motif

[@able3331]

When McDonald's theme plays without the words it becomes burger motif

[@darkpuppetlordful]

​@able3331 and if you had the burger motif embedded in a song, to make the audience picture burger, it becomes burger leitmotif

[@crisunjackalD]

As small a thing it is at the beginning. I prefer to think that a jingle is prerequisite on the purpose of a music piece, it's usually focused around advertising a product and getting it stuck in your head. For the short themes accompanied by logos in the beginning of films, or between programs, these are usually called idents. And then for musical pieces present throughout a film that correspond to a theme or mood, these would instead be called a leitmotif. All of these have the purpose to be a musical hook to catch your attention, and if they're short, then they're more generally called "musical stings". But jingle "stings" are primarily geared towards advertising.

[@Jaketholemeu]

There's nothing pretentious about appreciating a really well written and directed piece of media. If you can appreciate all the hiddle suddleties of a film, more power to you.

[@MegaSpideyman]

I almost read that as the actual words.

[@zerowolf0006]

The Toxic Brood arises

[@SacClass650]

Indeed, "fire", "cook", "peak", "banger" is hardly the vernacular of an intelligent, reasonable person. It's not the language through which complex and abstract ideas and perspectives are conveyed.

[@Horvath_Gabor]

And now I'm trying to imagine them using "intelligent vernacular". "Greetings, male and female specimens of homo sapiens sapiens! Last night's episode was absolute exothermic chemical reaction involving atmospheric oxygen! When we originally sat down with my fellow humans in a mutually beneficial social bond, they were convinced its quality was lacking, but I instructed them to allow the producers to prepare the ingredients by combining and heating them according to a recipe, and in the end, the episode proved to be an absolute vibration of rapidly expanding gases conveyed through air molecules! This episode was, without a shadow of a doubt, the part of a mountain which is topographically the farthest from sea-level!"

[@archstanton9073]

Same thing with "fleem", "tism", or "massive".

[@nananamamana3591]

"Your slang is bad rat, your fleems are weak, and you're no massive. You're a diebeto. Take your tisms and go drink rhino milk >:c" You can be intelligent and reasonable and still use slang, dude. Whipping out the thesaurus just to be needlessly verbose with your vocabulary is just artificial erudition. As long as you can qualify the terms, it doesn't really matter what words you use. Doubly so when your audience understands what you're saying, since that's just how language works -- it's a series of mouth noises that only have meaning when you understand what's being said, and slang, for as long as it's existed, has served as a colloquial means of conveying your ideas. The *greatest* minds in history, from great leaders to scientists, to philosophers, have known this and demonstrated the use of speaking in the terms people would understand. To quote Socrates, Diogenes, Aristotle, Julius Caesar, Cleopatra, Sargon, Solomon, Galileo, and *more* "Get your head out of your ass."

[@SacClass650]

@@archstanton9073 No, they are used as exceptions!

[@SacClass650]

@@nananamamana3591 You definitionally cannot be reasonable whilst using slang, as no one understands what it is that's being conveyed. Moreover, you present a false dicotomy, dude! (And the slang used by the crew _compliments_ their smart articulation.) [Insert irrelevant historical figures here]

[@michaelkindt3288]

@4:59:34-. Sometimes, when I hear about the baffling logic executives make to justify their meddling, I ask myself "do executives consume media in the way they seem to think the average consumer consumes media?" This line that this guy said sounds like the kind of logic executives seem to think audiences have. When I heard this line, my media thought was "this guy consumes media in the way executives think other people consume media." We now potentially have at least one example. It is actually possible executives consume media in the way they think you and I consume media. Just follow pony that out now that I just finished up my bath like ten-ish minutes or whatever after I heard this line.

[@hope-cat4894]

Part of me wonders if Marvel deliberately picks these types of fans to promote and listen to because they already think so similarly. 🤔

[@michaelkindt3288]

@@hope-cat4894-.-You might have cracked the code!

[@canaldecasta]

I think I speak for all my bros when I say this Efap was fire fr fr

[@sparkypack]

🔥🙏🍳🙏🔥

[@Horvath_Gabor]

6:28:52 Reposting my comment from the unlisted video: The "most important SW show Disney could release", you ask? There's only one correct answer: a show with Finn going on a vision quest guided by his latent Force sensitivity. He finds an ancient temple. There, he discovers that there is an SW multiverse, this universe isn't the mainline one, and through a mirror, he meets another version of himself from the mainline universe, where the Republic thrives, Luke reformed the Jedi order, and his mainline universe self was actually one of Luke's first Padawans and their Rey was the last Sith and the leader of the struggling Imperial Remnant. They discuss the differences between their universes, and then Mainline Finn teaches Sequel Finn the ways of the Force, so that he can go and create a new Jedi Order and help this universe. However, once Sequel Finn gets stronger with the Force, he's contacted by Mainline Universe Rey, who, after discovering his unrequited love for Sequel Rey, tries to seduce him to make him betray the location of the temple. Sequel Finn accidentally does so, and so she and her forces attack the temple in the Mainline Universe. Turns out, she knows that she's fighting a losing war, and she wants to move the Imperial Remnant over to the Sequel Universe and fill in the power vacuum. However, the two Finns work together, Sequel Finn resists her and the Dark Side, and in her hubris, she tries to cross over to the Sequel Universe anyway. Then, in the climax, it turns out she can't, because one can only communicate between universes but never cross them, so she disintegrates in the attempt. Steeled by the experience, Finn redoubles his efforts to become the foundation of the New Jedi Order, and the series ends with Mainline Luke showing up in the mirror, and offering to finish his training. Roll credits.

[@Сайтамен]

You described the plot of Lego Holiday Special.

[@1skrmsp1]

2:49:00 Ike said that they can replace Terrance Howard to Don Cheadle was because "it doesnt matter, no one will care" And that got translated into "It doesnt matter, no one will care [because they are all black and they look a like]" They inserted context that never existed and gave the most uncharitable interpretation possible. Gary from Nerdrotic talks about this in his podcast.

[@Zepher0987]

That makes a lot more sense.

[@tevenpowell8023]

No offense, but I would double check that yourself before spreading it as what definitely happened. I wouldn't exactly consider Gary from Nerdrotic to be a completely reliable, unbiased source.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

​@@tevenpowell8023do you have a source proving it actually happened? You (an anonymous commenter) and a 4chan post (an anonymous poster) aren't that much more reliable a source lmao

[@tevenpowell8023]

@@darkpuppetlordful I.. never made a claim?

[@darkpuppetlordful]

​@tevenpowell8023 you claim that this Gary guy is unreliable, and yet when asked for proof of this claim you say you made no such claim Really you might wanna learn to read pal before you play on the computer

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Disney was given a chance at redemption…..but at every turn, they chose death, instead of life! Now, they have played their last con game!

[@vario6492]

Disney+, Woke culture and creative burnout. But hey, they maintained that passion for 11 years and that's still admirable

[@joebro2670]

This efap is 6 seconds shorter than the stream, stop longman erasure

[@Azurenighterror11]

Favorite non fight scene from daredevil is when king pin breaks down infront of his future wife for the first time and think he is going to kill her. The tension in that scene is amazing

[@max7971]

3:30:50 Birds are government drones confirmed. How else would he command them?

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Exploding Birds from Birdemic

[@samuelespinelli7445]

my favorite scene in daredevil apart from fighting scene is when Matt is talking with his father and mid conversation he turns into Fisk. the dialogue in there is peak

[@FatherOfConqs]

I remember Malekith in Thor 2 because any time I hear "Malekith" I think of the Warhammer Fantasy first, then it's Thor 2

[@austinwoods466]

My Country tis of thee All hates Kathleen Kennedy Of thee chat now sings Let EFAP ring Land where Han Solo died Land where Marvel has no pride Where every movie's shite Let Longmen dream My native Frame, a Pause Co-hosted by a Dog Thy name that I love Where goo freely runs Kicking Jay is always fun My heart with rapture fills like that above Let EFAP swell the breeze And ring from all the trees Sweet freedom's song Let Mootal tongues awake Let all the Simpsons refs Fringy makes Let JLongbone their silence break The sound prolong So Mauler is from Wales Where they eat lots of snails And fall down into wells Like Aberdine Our Long Father to Thee Author of EFAPry To Thee I sing My country 'tis of Thee All hates Kathleen Kennedy For all eternity Let Longmen dream Let Dogmen sing Let Frogmen cream My country 'tis, my country 'tis of Thee, My country 'tis, my country 'tis of Thee, My country 'tis, my country 'tis of Thee, My country 'tis, my country 'tis of Thee, I need scissors...61!

[@graye2799]

ROTJ definitely has its issues, and that mostly comes down to the ewoks. The Ewoks should have been using actual guns instead of bows and arrows if George wanted to sell the vietcong underdog theme better. It would have made more sense in the technologically advanced future of star wars that guns would be seen as antiquated and would have fit what they were going for while giving the ewoks a more plausible means to fight the empire. The Jabbas palace stuff isn't hard to understand. Luke tries the peaceful way first by bargaining with Jabba because he is trying to be more jedi like and there is no reason to rush in blind, risk lives, and make a enemy of a powerful crime syndicate when negotiating could work first. They then try the Leia plan to break Han out, which fails. This then necessitates Luke coming himself to get Han and Leia back. Meanwhile Lando and the R2 lightsaber idea are there as backup plans and fail-safes in case all that fails and they need to get Han back by force. He even offers Jabba one last chance to bargain, which he rejects, forcing Luke to use any means necessary to free his friends. ROTJ definitely has its issues, but most can be pointed at the Ewoks and the film was still a good send off to the original trilogy that had more good than bad.

[@alexhayden219]

"This is where the cute begins."

[@graye2799]

@@alexhayden219 yup. Imagine if the ewoks came out holding a ar 15 looking gun. Super cute.

[@alexhayden219]

@@graye2799 It's so strange how insistent he was on adding things that it seems like everyone was against, and then ended up being the things that are the biggest sticking points for fans, too. From what I can tell, no one wanted the ewoks in the movie and they pushed back against it, but he just insisted on needing them. And then again with Jar Jar, but he backed off on that one after TPM's release. He did get his mileage out of them, though. Two cartoon seasons and two movies. By the end of 1986, Ewoks represented the majority of Star Wars content produced. Even as a child, I didn't understand why there was so much focus on Ewoks. I love the universe that he gave us, but the man had some strange ideas.

[@graye2799]

@@alexhayden219 As far as im aware, the ewoks were originally supposed to be other wookies, but for some reason, they had to change them. George then decided to make them more cute. Would have helped to focus on their barbarism, considering they were going to cook Han and Luke. Still think they should have been using guns, and I still think the Jabbas palace segment is fine.

[@alexhayden219]

@@graye2799 Yeah, Endor was Kashyyyk at one point.

[@Agiranto]

Marvel Disney - It didn't just die...IT WAS MURDERED

[@MasterofInterspace]

03:27:00 wouldn't Task Master being a man who trained Widows be an emotional connection for Natasha?

[@darkpuppetlordful]

No, cause she's a whaman and they arent allowed emotional connections with non related males (according to Disney bylaw)

[@suiri277]

You bollocks! 40 mins in and now i have the "green giant" jingle going through my head constantly

[@Ralphopotamus]

Hooray! I am watching the EFAP vod! Hooray!

[@Humble_Dwarf]

MCU started small & built earnestly, even in the face of middling results aside from Iron Man. Joker is an example of what pulled off the resurgence of intrigue Mauler suggested they need (if DC had actually capitalized)

[@-JaggedGrace-]

Now I think of it, I'm surprised they didn't do anything else with Joaquin Phoenix Joker... did they just drop it forever?

[@Brandon_Powell]

3:09:04 Thank God Tony Todd was Venom in the new Spider-Man game. Now I can say that the game wasn't completely terrible.

[@coolfrog3552]

It was pretty close to completely terrible tho

[@Brandon_Powell]

@coolfrog3552 It certainly was. Such a shame.

[@tevenpowell8023]

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say that game was bad. What was wrong with it?

[@Brandon_Powell]

@tevenpowell8023 Have you played it, and if not, do you care about spoilers?

[@tevenpowell8023]

@@Brandon_Powell Didn't play it, I watched a playthrough. So spoil away.

[@legomeaker101potato]

man... this guy reminds me of a guy who was saying black clover was better than beezerk "aw man black clover is peak fire bro"

[@Thunderdumpe]

Haha, it is funny how hard he baited everyone with not apologising, in the context of analysis him simply going 'I lied' really cracked me up

[@pyromanic8]

Seeing the lads so passionate about praising/defending Andor really makes me feel warm and fuzzy. Good shows need to be praised for what they do well.

[@TempoLOOKING]

It was just ok.

[@theevilgood]

I think that the beginning conversation is a case of squares and rectangles. Jingles are motifs, but not all motifs are jingles

[@upstatelee18]

4:59:48 how can this man speak while gargling the MCU's balls so hard.

[@DLxxx]

2:11:00 I cannot _believe_ that this is actually happening now. They're actually bringing back RDJ even though we all *know* thats gonna cost them an absurd amount of money, lol.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Through this, I found out that Loki is the God of stories.

[@sparkypack]

😂.. bruh, let them cook.

[@dire213]

peak

[@nont18411]

Fire

[@vario6492]

OMG THAT CAT LIVESTREAM 😂😂😂😂😂😂 i didn't know until they brought it up

[@Relugus]

Well, there is an actors strike.

[@vario6492]

​@@Reluguscats better unionize too, to prevent atrocities such as that stream

[@EpicJasonX9000]

This guy comes across like the kind of obnoxious fan boy that Red Letter Media made fun of in their Nerd Crew videos. *DO YOU REMEMBER BOBA FETT?!!!!!* (insert constant clapping)

[@crimsonpotemkin]

I wonder if that guy is genuine. He might be. He looks so vacant and easily manipulatable, that I could believe that any, even the most miniscule amount of influence could just change his mind on a dime. He might not even have an opinion of his own. He just read the article, got influenced by it and jumped on the bandwagon. Then watches 1 episode of Loki and forgets everything that happened before it.

[@tevenpowell8023]

One of those people who just absorbs the opinion of the last person they talked to.

[@NikkyVix]

Fringy's Disappointed-Parent 'AAAOOUUWW' at 5:00:25 gave me the ugliest laugh because I was right there with him. My man was so close!

[@jpdominator]

A jingle is a sung slogan or phrase. McDonald’s - I’m lovin’ it.

[@ThatCapnGeech]

Budgets get absolutely consumed by incompetent, uncreative, lazy, cynical filmmakers and I don’t understand how SW Theory doesn’t get it… or perhaps he does and is in denial and wants to blame the lack of budget poured into the “better” series

[@tevenpowell8023]

This is a complete guess, but maybe it's because he doesn't want to call the more artistic writers and directors (who he knows the names of) out on being bad at their craft. But calling out some faceless company budgeting guys that he doesn't know? That's fine.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

From his own explanation, he's basically just jealous Andor looked and felt like star wars visually, and the other shows don't. Like he legit feels more money woulda made Kenobi look better/more like star wars

[@vermithrx1744]

I like how they wonder what a jingle is but don't just google it and see.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Does Not Compute

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Funny about Rags talking about John Leguizamo since he did play the villain Clown (aka The Violator) from the 1997 live action comic book film: *Spawn*

[@Relugus]

And don't forget Calling Doctor Sunshine.

[@dutchmansmine9053]

1:38 That's called a motiff Fringy *Edit* This is discussed later, EFAP never disappoints.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Seems like Marvel was just lighting in a bottle. In compensation for getting lucky in the first half, the last few years have been the formula absolutely bollocking the later ones. The production philosophy was unstable and waiting to fail dismally.

[@Relugus]

Adapting godawful Bendis stories might have something to do with it. Feige is influenced by post-2000 Marvel comics. Turning their most popular female character into a lame one-dimensional Cartoon villain (while pushing a female character no one likes) because "the comics did it" is a sure fire way to fail.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

​@@Relugusyeah, the Bendis comics are an undercited cause in the failings of the mcu, he's a big reason the comics are hemorrhaging

[@lusasedoux479]

A nice long EFAP is Just what I needed today.🎉❤

[@MasterofInterspace]

04:12:00 i can kind of understand where the guy is coming from. Not the ... Ride or die for the MCU, but the love for it. The MCU was really special for me too. It was this huge event in my house. I had good times watching the movies in theaters with family, and then talking about it afterwards. But I can't ride for these movies just because my mom is a die hard comic nerd.

[@GodlessLawman]

“The composer room” automatically made me think of the scene at the end of Parrot Sketch Not Included where Monty Python are all crammed into a cupboard.

[@IveGottenSoLucky]

This EFAP episode is fire bro

[@enkiduthewildman]

What gets me about the two marvel videos is the language. Not "peak fire" or whatever, but he keeps saying "we". WE're bringing it back. WE need to keep going. Who is "we"?

[@Raxus502]

yo bro, this fire peak is vibing no cap frfr, based.

[@thatguywesmaranan]

imagine movies in the future being horrible and then being told "it will get better, just please wait for the day 1 patch"... fuck...

[@Nightfall815]

This episode was peak fire - y'all be cookin', for real! Keep the EFAP streak going, bros! We are SO back! Let's 👏 flerkin' 👏 go 👏

[@blutygr3158]

5:52:56 Dear Die Hard, You rock. Especially when the guy was on the roof. P.S. Do you know Mad Max?

[@turninonthescrew7394]

It's the end of Disney as we know it, and I feel fire.

[@alexhayden219]

2:47:30 The image in my head of Dr. Strange limply slapping ___________ [Rrrachel(?) McAdams] while screaming at her "I can only hit you so hard!" has me literally LOLing.

[@f4lenwarrior]

So Worf been knocked about to establish the baddie of the week is so well known, it's called "The Worf effect" To answer Mauler's question regarding Worf's having the most appearances or incursions... Technically the answer to that is Yes. there is a single episode "Parallels" where an actual incursion occurs after Worf starts bouncing between verses. As things get worse, Enterprise's start to appear from all these various verses and will completely fill up the universe with nothing but alternate versions of the Enterprise if they don't save the day.

[@eggtheman3164]

Glad to be in a vod chat early for once.