EFAP Movies #77: Wes Craven's New Nightmare

[@Cyberleader672]

Fun Fact- Wes Craven said in the commentary for this movie that he wanted Johnny Depp to return but didn't bother asking because he thought since he was such a big star at this point he'd say no. Then after the film was released Depp called him and told him he absolutely would have returned if Wes asked

[@kreese-yi2nb]

I wonder if Skeet Ulrich in Scream was Craven's stand-in for Depp.

[@ollehkacb]

Causw Johnny Depp is chill like that.

[@ECKohns]

Johnny Depp cameo’d in Nightmare On Elm Street 6.

[@hope-cat4894]

If they ever make another one, I hope he gets to be in it.

[@CarlosThadeu]

For a moment I thought would have been related to amber turd because I dont know the release dates for these movies 😂 At least it wasnt bad at the end

[@realmofloredor]

Let’s all take a moment to appreciate Robert Englund’s performance in this movie. He played a fictional version of himself, a fictional version of himself playing a parody of Freddy Krueger, and a demon manifested as a darker version of Freddy Krueger.

[@handsomestik]

He is just amazing.

[@ParkerCS2]

Maybe the film is implying that it’s not just a demon taking on the appearance of Freddy. But maybe the movie can be interpreted as being more meta. Perhaps the dream world from the fictional universe accidentally ended up in real world and the actual Freddy is now aware he’s a fictional character and is so pissed that he was allowed to be defeated countless times that he wants revenge and now doesn’t give a shit. He even doesn’t care about the restraints that he needs to be in someone’s dream to kill them hence why he decides to teleport into the hospital room and murder the babysitter. He’s that mad. His new design probably reflects his anger as well as him wanting to make people more frightened by him. And the reason he gets defeated by the fireplace is because by making another movie but inside the real life world that it causes him and the Dream Dimension to be banished back to the film universe. But again that’s just my theory and just a interpretation. I like that horror movies can leave stuff up to interpretation like that. Not everything needs to be overexplained because it’s more fun to theorize.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@handsomestik yep 💯

[@madcapmakov2]

Dude has immense range!

[@HectorLopez0217]

He also voiced Scarecrow in Injustice2

[@anthonysaylor8120]

It's fascinating how this was focused on making Freddy _actually_ scary, when my mom said the biggest appeal of Freddy back in the day was him being a goofy bastard and delivering those one-liners.

[@sparkypack]

"Freddy! Your game is getting old! There is no one in the galaxy left for you to swindle!"

[@lamarco18]

Yeah but WES didn't like that. It stopped being scary in his eyes.

[@Lava91point0]

This is from 97, I think or at least that's when I first saw it. You can definitely tell, it's of that time, and I imagine audiences probably took it more seriously back then, and you'd still probably give it a watch now even for background noise if nothing else lol. Understandably if you're only seeing it now you're not gonna get it beyond thinking "oh this movie sucks" also I feel bad for those people. It's definitely not the best, but there are worse movies in the franchise which they will come to find lol. I think by the end of the series, they'll be left wondering how could it just keep getting worse

[@Turuial]

​@Lava91point0 There's only Freddy vs Jason left in the main continuity. It's arguably the best one of the franchise. Meanwhile, the reboot will probably be received worse than New Nightmare I should think. There was a lot wrong with that one, and it's the reason there haven't been others since.

[@nhagan001]

@@lamarco18well this makes this movie even funnier. He couldn’t even clear the low bar of “be scarier than 2, 4, and 5.”

[@genebaker511]

3 Biggest achievements that helped New Line Cinema became a big success: A Nightmare on Elm Street Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1990 The Lord of The Rings Trilogy

[@eba9121]

Man, that first turtle movie is so damn. The story, the freaking score and the cinematography are all so good and better than it has any right to be. Plus the arsehole standing in the hallway with medieval weaponry waiting to pass it out to the other foot clan members lol

[@nobody2996]

Not-So-Fun Fact: The whole Actress getting harassed over the telephone is based on the harassment the real life actress faced after the Nightmare on Elm Street movies.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Awww poor girl 😔, think that inspired screams phone calls?

[@tictacterminator]

"nice acting, BITCH" it was freddy the whole time

[@bedroombunny9529]

@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 Directed by Wes Craven so could be.

[@Soyuz2578]

I guess fun is in the eye of the beholder

[@othertalk3313]

@@Soyuz2578 And a beholder is some kinda demon creature from that Satanic dice game the kids are playin' these days... the Dungeons and the Dragons and so on. It's also the floatin' eyeball demon thing from The Doom and subsequent iterations of The Dooms. Are we havin' fun yet... bitch?!? 👿🔪

[@kylefrank638]

This movie came out a year after Jurassic Park, and I'm gobsmacked that you would write it so that a stuffed dinosaur saves the kid in his dream, but then you DON'T have the payoff in the third act where you see, in the kid's dream, it's like a "real"/animatronic dinosaur that's badass, and Freddy fights him again but for our viewing pleasure this time.

[@Tiltigo]

The fact that Rex didn't come alive and eat Freddy in the end was so disappointing. I thought they implied that Rex, as a real dinosaur, somehow protected Dylan by fighting Freddy off in his dreams.

[@kyletimmons2940]

No, you're right. Dylan's dialogue makes it pretty clear that Rex was protecting him from Freddy throughout the movie. When he showed that the stuffed toy was all cut up, Dylan says "Rex protected me". And later, when the dad dies, he says "Rex woke me up. He was fighting a mean man with claws". Also, I agree, Rex should have been in the finale.

[@rogerborg]

If _we_ dream about that, it becomes canon.

[@Crimsin19937]

44:35 "oh, is it all making sense, is it?" Fringy's deadpan delivery and subtle sarcasm is gold 😂😂

[@taylorlinyard3533]

I honestly did not expect EFAP’s biggest arguments to erupt over 90’s home architecture and decor.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Did not expect this one to be as divisive as it was. It was one of the few Elm Streets I saw, and I thought that it had an interesting take on the genre despite its pretty goofy ending. Not as good as I remember it, but it's possible that some of the groaning and eye-rolling about the meta commentary due to it being a bit tropey (Alan Wake, Angel, Supernatural, etc.), but New Nightmare came out many years before those did their schtick.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Yeah I think the whole meta thing had been done so much to death that it kinda dated the movie, I actually expected them to hate this movies because they hate meta narratives overall from what I have seen.

[@emeritus5418]

Meta commentary and fictional characters commenting on their own fiction has been a thing since Don Quixote. It's not some recent thing.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@emeritus5418 I’m aware but the fequency and how much it’s been botched has increased overall, it especially doesn’t work as well when you are also trying to make Freddy scary again, it doesn’t blend very well plot wise unfortunately, ironically him being more himself from the sequels would of helped a bit. I feel this was beta scream, and wes really nailed the tonal blend there.

[@fastlandcliffhanger6962]

If we got by its meta stuff contemporaries, Last Action Hero (which came in 1993, a year before this) was still better.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@fastlandcliffhanger6962 yeah last action hero was way more tonally consistent I think.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Robert Englund having tons of fun as usual.

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

They don't even give him a script. He just comes out and kinda does things

[@Soyuz2578]

Back in the 90s when playgrounds were awesome and you could actually hurt yourself on them haha

[@josephkerrigan733]

UTV 🙂

[@DeepEye1994]

I hope they'll enjoy Freddy vs Jason, at least for being over the top bloody fun with some stylish direction

[@xenomorph733]

It's worth it just for Freddy's oh fuck look when he's pulled out of the dream and sees Jason 🤣

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@xenomorph733lmao same.

[@squirrelofdoom3830]

I liked that film, its fun. Englund is loving it.

[@ptak30]

I think that will be a hilarious EFAP. I have a feeling they are going to have fun with that one.

[@nhagan001]

I have no doubt they’ll like FvJ based on the fact that is absolutely hamming it up the entire time.

[@benjamindavis3815]

I just now realized the new claw design of this movie is the actual claw design of the first three movie posters of the first three original films

[@IchigoKurosaki_]

The fact that Rex didn't get a funeral for saving the kid is downright criminal 😒

[@Colouroutofspace4]

The fact that we never saw him animate and protecting the kid in a dream is a crime

[@sparkypack]

Rex was blessed by Raggelton

[@tictacterminator]

We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

[@sparkypack]

@@tictacterminator Jurassic Park style. Then, we get Lost World on Elm Street.

[@FxCalibur]

I think it'd be more interesting if the movie followed Robert England trying to clear his own name, after several homicides resemble the Kruger killings in the movies. You can say the real Freddy wasn't happy with Robert's rendition of him, and you can have the best/longest running actor in the franchise act play both the villian and hero.

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

Having him fight Freddy with his own hand claws would be interesting. A drawn out fight over various sets with the previous films. The house, the boiler factory, the asylum, being heloed by previous victims ftom the fictional world, cutting his ties each movie like with Vokdemorts horecruxes.

[@daskampffredchen]

Sounds like a great idea

[@jchgbluedemon2729]

While I like Nightmare 3: Dream Warriors...I never liked how they killed Nancy and made her look so naive...She literally already knew from the first one that Freddy likes to torment his victims with the appearance of their loved ones.

[@overkilled653]

I honestly believe that Craven did it to ensure she wouldn’t be exploited by the films that came after.

[@mr.battle20]

@@overkilled653 Wes Craven had nothing to do with the making of the 3rd film.

[@overkilled653]

@@mr.battle20 He’s cited as a writer and producer.

[@TheGamingAngel18]

@@mr.battle20yes he did? He literally wrote the screenplay with 3 other writers, one of the 2 main story headers, produced it. What are you talking about bro? Wes just didn’t direct it. But he was quite involved with 3.

[@VinnieMF]

3 could've been so good if she was an active opposition to Freddy. They go into their group dreams and she's unaffected and Freddy is actively trying to separate them from her but he has to be creative since getting in contact with her, who can't be affected and has a grasp of dream mechanics, is dangerous to him. Meanwhile Nancy, from a position of strength, has to give ground to the others so they learn to dismiss his influence. Some fail and die, some do it and beat Freddy. Instead we got a waste. She was naive and incompetent, never really walked them through how she was able to dismiss his influence, didn't have a grasp of dream abilities and then died. They kinda last jedied her.

[@fiddlechips8555]

Freddy’s popularity comes from the design of the character, and Robert Englund being the whole of the entertainment. This one is the worst because they neutered Freddy for a serious tone.

[@IchigoKurosaki_]

Fun fact of the day. Rex's sacrifice is the reason why Dinosaur Month exists. #NeverForget🦖

[@jonathandoersky4534]

The Hellraiser ark is gonna be lit!

[@xenomorph733]

God those movies are all over the place

[@jonathandoersky4534]

@@xenomorph733 It's a bloody mess! They are going to suffer so much with some of them. But I don't remember it ever getting as goofy as this shit.

[@baldurgunnarsson2578]

This isn't the worst in the series, but it's definitely the least fun.

[@Arcane_10_out_of_10]

'Wes Craven's New Nightmare' drinking game - take a shot of coffee every time you yawn.

[@Soyuz2578]

I've already had a brain haemorrhage lol

[@kreese-yi2nb]

No wonder Longman remembered the Julie actress. Tracy Middendorf was in pilot episode of Angel. Her character's ill-fated pursuit of movie career was what kick-started the whole Angel Investigations' journey into darkness. I have to rewatch Angel again.

[@minirth.maggie]

Oh wait, that was her? I need to rewatch Angel too!

[@kreese-yi2nb]

@@minirth.maggie Yup. New Nightmare was her first movie role. Josh Holloway debuted on screen in that City Of... episode, by the way.

[@rogerborg]

Darn, good spot. She was really solid in that role.

[@forge5825]

This was my first Nightmare film. Saw it when I was 6 and it ruined me mentally. Was terrified of the dark for over a year. Remembered it being a lot better, lol

[@majdjinn5042]

... actually back in the day, you could just walk into a hospital. I would know...i did it very often

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Ahhh pre modern security was just both the best and worst depending on your perspective….

[@majdjinn5042]

@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 I miss cameras not being everywhere and the night time piss filter

[@rogerborg]

I miss high trust society.

[@porkflaps4717]

There were MANY sequels to this film, they're called Scream.

[@ParkerCS2]

Yep. Well, the first 4. Scream 2022 and VI don’t count as canon.

[@yamatonoryuujin4871]

Let's take a moment to remember falling asleep while driving is also a very real problem. I was shocked how many actually were reported to have fallen asleep and how many were in an accident were they caught themselves nearly falling asleep.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

@@yamatonoryuujin4871 It can sneak up on you, sometimes even if you don't feel sleepy.

[@EndThusIAm]

It's my biggest problem with driving. I related to Johnny Knoxville during their Gumball Rally special when the guy holding the camera went "I'm so scared that you're driving." And Knoxville said "I'm terrible at staying awake while driving, then I realized, Damn I'm driving. Don't let me nap."

[@rileyjfosbre6383]

That’s what I thought was kind of funny in the fourth(?) film with the motorcycle scene. Freddy doesn’t even need to kill you if you fall asleep at the wheel. He can just stall and wait until you drive into a guard rail.

[@nhagan001]

Why is Freddy killing the husband (?) anyway? Wasn’t his rule “in elm street, and only the people involved with my demise”? Now he can just kill whoever, wherever, why-ever he wants.

[@EndThusIAm]

@@nhagan001 Because it's not Freddy. It's an entity using his face. That was the whole point to the scene when Heather speaks to Wes, but they were talking throughout it.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

^.-.^ Rest in Peace Rex, you were a real one.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

o7

[@sparkypack]

F

[@Soyuz2578]

Pour one out for Rex lol

[@PlaguedCreations]

Plot twist: It was all a nightmare had by Rex...

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Originally there was going to be a scene where Wes Craven had cut his eyelids off in an attempt to keep from sleeping.

[@hope-cat4894]

But some people can sleep with their eyes open. 😅

[@fastlandcliffhanger6962]

That would've actually been something in this snoozefest

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

@hope-cat4894 I know, it's especially creepy (and annoying) when your parents do it.

[@mynameisNeo369]

Wizard sleep ​@@hope-cat4894

[@VinnieMF]

​@@hope-cat4894 Maybe it's more about the pain keeping you awake? Idk

[@noahgrubb5396]

55:41 - Clouds begin to move Mauler: Oh no! Freddy's in the Sky! 😧 55:43 - 90s Goosebumps-tier effect of Freddy appears Mauler: Oh my God! Freddy's in the Sky! 😁

[@MassiveiusBiggus]

Well, that was an odd movie, it wasn't good and it wasn't bad... It just was.

[@ThatCrimeGuy]

Wes Craven's pre-Scream attempt at critiquing horror. I hope the lads find some value in this one.

[@fastlandcliffhanger6962]

Seems like Wes at leasst learned what NOT to do

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

The lads, in fact, did not find value in this one

[@righteousindifference3179]

@@elyrienvalkyr8167 yeah. I'm not a fan of new nightmare, but oof. Worst one? It's madness at this point.

[@NateO123]

@@righteousindifference3179 there are good contenders but this movie is just so damn boring it’s not shocking they’d say that. Movies are supposed to be entertaining after all and if you’re just rolling your eyes and begging the plot to move that’s a terrible sign.

[@ThatCrimeGuy]

@@elyrienvalkyr8167 oh my!

[@Gothicah]

This one actually had me scared after watching 4-6 as a teen😭

[@Gothicah]

I was so confused at first bc I thought it was like a documentary I didn’t understand what they were doing

[@Colouroutofspace4]

Wes Craven watched "in the mouth of madness" and thought "yeah, I could have done that"

[@Kartak965]

New nightmare came before in the mouth of madness, in 1994 and 1995 respectively.

[@leosorghum6867]

Freddy got that Colossal Titan makeover

[@minirth.maggie]

I've been looking forward to this! Your reactions to the set dressing are hilarious. Guys, watch the Phantasm movies, the Tall Man is terrifying. And the silver balls that drilled all the blood out of people's heads! So good!

[@ryanmason2502]

Freddy vs Jason is the most fun horror film ever! I hope they enjoy it.

[@sparkypack]

I wanna see everyone reacting to Jason's unphased demeanour by Freddy's oxygen tank attacks.

[@Chaosian]

Unfortunately, all I remember of that one is the awful CG.

[@Lava91point0]

@@Chaosian It's one scene which can easily be ignored lol.

[@VinnieMF]

​@@Lava91point0 Wait, which one?

[@Lava91point0]

@@VinnieMF When the stoner dude falls asleep and see's a worm with freddy's face lmao

[@matt_r.2510]

This is great. I've enjoyed this spooky journey especially considering it's October and I have been binge watching these.

[@Hidesinmud]

It’s like the kid from Pet Cemetery never ages

[@ECKohns]

He’s also in Kindergarten Cop, Full House, and Apollo 13. He’s really talented.

[@Jordie_42]

He still looked super young in Mercury Rising

[@IchigoKurosaki_]

@@Hidesinmud my dude, you saw the fucker rise from the dead before killing the milk man. Now ask again whe he doesn't age.

[@SC4RY_G4RRY]

I think they missed that when this first released the Meta horror aspect was fairly original. Wes’s Scream movies normalized it by the time they were watching these movies

[@righteousindifference3179]

@@SC4RY_G4RRY while it's interesting to watch new nightmare as proto-scream, I don't think that context needs to be considered in a modern critique. It contextualizes the old reviews but in the scope of the actual movie as a movie? It's not that relevant.

[@SC4RY_G4RRY]

@@righteousindifference3179 Yeah? Well, you know, that’s just , like, your opinion, man.

[@silverscorpio24]

Is Freddy a genie in the bottle? Or the bird in a cage?

[@MusingSprite3045]

Maybe he's the diamond in the ruff? Or the Apple of someone's eye? Or the Fly in the soup? Or the pebble in the shoe?

[@EndThusIAm]

​@@MusingSprite3045The pea under the mattresses!

[@Longshanks1690]

Or Prince Albert in a can?

[@othertalk3313]

It should come as no surprise that the critics consensus on Rotten Tomatoes calls this movie "intelligent" for being "meta" in its approach. I think that kinda attitude is a real problem, and only getting worse since... critics think everything is so smart for going meta. Nevermind that it's just supposed to be a horror movie about creepy dream person with knife hands.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

TLJ Syndrome; "It's so clever because of deh themeeessssss and the way that it deconstructs the franchise and subverts expectations". A stupid person's idea of what intelligent writing is.

[@Kainvverd]

What was so special about Wes Craven's new nightmare that he had to make a movie about it? We all have nightmares.

[@Kainvverd]

By the way, I find it fascinating how some people just don't have dreams or nightmares. It seems a bit odd but I kinda envy those people; going through the night without any disturbances and waking up more rested, at least relatively.

[@EndThusIAm]

​@@KainvverdThink that's nuts? There's people who don't have internal monologuing

[@Kainvverd]

@@EndThusIAm I've heard of that many times but I still don't believe in it. How can one think with the internal monologue?

[@EndThusIAm]

@@Kainvverd No idea, I personally couldn't imagine it with how much I need to drown out my own head. It does sound crazy, but if people can go without dreams naturally, maybe it's a thing. Maybe it's that they have to actually imagine talking whereas most of us can interlap our thoughts and voice.

[@Nick_Hammer]

The biggest sin of this movie is that Freddy is barely in it and when he is it's totally lame. I like the meta commentary on the film industry and the series overall but it's like Wes forgot that Freddy is the star, not Nancy and not Wes himself.

[@bZman]

The whole plot is its the real world, the actors are playing themselves but Kreuger is haunting them. It is a really fun meta take on the concept of a "dream demon" by capitalizing on the popularity of Freddy at the time it released. The way they play with Heather Langenkamps relationships with John Saxon and Robert Englund makes it especially fun because as actors they all act in a way of actors who played roles and then the lines get blurred thanks to the dream demon the scripts were about

[@AliceBowie]

This movie had John Saxon playing himself. That should have been amazing. He's such an amazing character actor. He shows up in so many B movies and Italian horror and giallo type stuff.

[@KingArthur39]

Surely this one won't be controversial...

[@Hidesinmud]

That’s the little boy from the alley in Spawn

[@ParkerCS2]

You could probably interpret the third act as being where it’s an incursion. 😏 lol Because the fictional version of our real world and the fictional Elm Street film universe are seemly colliding due to John Saxon becoming his character, and that incursion was undone when they “made” the movie within the dream dimension from the Elm Street franchise that invaded our real life, and so the two realities went back to being separate and the manifestation of Freddy was also banished back to the movie universe. Man, this film is so convoluted and confusing. 🤣

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Yeah had feeling they wouldn’t like this one with much modern stuff has ruined the term meta and they expressed there dislike of meta narratives in the past, if you aren’t a big fan you aren’t going to appreciate it and the meta aspect is kinda outdated and doesn’t mix well when you try to make Freddy scary again.

[@timothytorigian7932]

I can't believe we've made it #77. It's been a long time...

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Comment in chat said they wished Julie was the protagonist. Feel that would actually be an interesting concept and maybe would help the audience digest the films concept a little more by having an almost audience self insert instead of heather playing a fictional version of herself as the main protagonist.

[@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep]

Yes! This is the one I have been waiting on since the first and third ones lol.

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

Rex is the best character. Why don't we get a movie of Rex's POV fighting off demon Freddy.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

They took a surprising amount of time to realize the protagonist was the actress who played Nancy, not the real Nancy, and the movie took place outside the previous ones, in the "real world". I watched this when I was 10 and had never saw the original movies, it is not hard to follow. Update: I had some lengthy discussions on this thread about the validity of this claim, that they took a long time to realize the basic premise of the movie, so here are some evidences supporting it: 30:00 "I don't even know what that means at this point cause I don't know if this world is real". 30:33 "Because this is so meta I think there's this underlying implication that all this made not be real". The implication is exactly the opposite, this movie takes place "in the real world" as opposite to the previous movies that are movies inside this world. They are clearly still lost at this point. "She is at a coma and something is trying to shake her out of it" "yeah, or something else dumb like that". In case there was any doubt from the last sentences. 31:41 "Dad, am I just coping? ..something something... honey". Not a strong evidence here, just some clues that suggest they still think he is her dad at this point. 31:56 "It's in my family you know?" Rags: "In OUR family, why does she say it's in MY family?" Then capital Opinions explains and both Rags and Mauler have a moment of realization and Rags tries to, dare I say, "cope" by blaming something else for the mistake.

[@alexmaverick6647]

Mauler even claimed to know what it was about beforehand and still took forever lol.

[@enchantertim89]

It's especially annoying when people who constantly make shitty, forced snarky remarks that are not even funny or clever and that are downright inaccurate sometimes, who also act like they're so smart and smug when they didn't even get the basic premise lol. They're trying too hard to shit on the movie from the get go with false predictions etc, it just makes them look annoying and foolish. Whatever they're accusing this movie with, they are not above it in terms of intelligence.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

@@alexmaverick6647 exactly, that didn't make any sense.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

@@enchantertim89 It feels like a specific jab at Rags, lol. But yeah, on this one they all make critiques based on false assumption. I made another post pointing out someone saying that they "never specified that they need to make a good movie to trap the demonic entity". The whole Wes Craven exposition was exactly about that, lol.

[@ManHamOrigins]

Can we go back to the Saw reactions when EFAP wasn’t stupid?

[@jonbaxter2254]

Literally nothing happened in this film, it was 99% dream.

[@AliceBowie]

This movie was Wes Craven's first attempt at meta-horror, but it was Scream that actually nailed it. Then it had a bunch of sequels. Anyway, imagine if Last House On The Left was the Wes Craven movie that wound up with ten sequels, each one adding more bullshit to the "lore". Or if Deadly Friend wound up with a bunch of sequels. The Hills Have Eyes did get a sequel where the survivors go back to the same place to go dirt biking.

[@chalysama4446]

They should do the Underworld series, with the Blade trilogy

[@hobomaster6237]

prettyy lady's back DD 10/10 D

[@notgonnapay]

Love this movie, flaws and all. It’s like the prototype for Scream.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

Yeah Wes definitely nailed the meta blend with actual horror better with scream, here it just doesn’t work aswell especially when you try to make Freddy more scary in a frankly “silly” concept.

[@fastlandcliffhanger6962]

A very flawed prototype.

[@SandshrewGarfield]

It's so funny that the subtitles spelled his name as "Robert England"

[@tomjames9681]

This premise for a sequel should be mandatory for every horror franchise more than 3 films long. Can you imagine Toben Bell being his normal nice self, wandering around the set of Saw XI: The New Sawening, and the spirits of evil possess Billy the puppet? He starts making REAL traps on set?

[@RestrictedAudiencesOnly]

Two things: Wes DID actually conceptualize Freddy from a nightmare and from a homeless man who stalked his apt window one night when he was a child, the name came from his high school bully and shows up first in Last House on the Left, something about Japanese kids dying of fright and he totes didn’t rip off Twilight Zone’s Perchance to Dream 2. As a diehard nightmare series fan this EFAP does bring a smile to my face. I’ve always hated this movie, I never understood how it’s a “fan favorite” and you guys take is VERY similar to my own…. But I also love Dream Master so what do I know? Rex is MVP. There’s an official unofficial fan sequel starring the grown up Dylan you can find on KZbin called Dylan’s New Njghtmare. It’s a little better than this one but you guys won’t like it, you’re gonna LOVE Freddy vs Jason Oh and all the Eathquake devastation was real so they just worked it into the script

[@Right_Said_Brett]

"Oh and all the Eathquake devastation was real so they just worked it into the script" Well, that's dumb.

[@johnnyblade1557]

Hasn't Metal been a permanent host on EFAP for about 2 years? Dude doesn't even get a plushie. I know he's a disabled German but he still deserves a plushie.

[@Schlorb-Lord-of-Schlirb]

Metal isn't a Host hes basically the D'Artagnan of EFAP

[@Kainvverd]

New Nightmare? I still haven't woken up from the previous one...

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

It's like New Coke. Next they'll launch Nightmare Classic

[@Kainvverd]

@@lordofthepizzapie9319 And somehow it'll taste even worse.

[@professormallard4348]

I really remember liking this movie when i last watched it. Don't remember it being so boring as they found it, but i also hadn't just come off watching the most insane and funny one of the bunch beforehand so that might contribute. I find the meta plot pretentious but also pretty interesting as an idea, and other than a few weird character things I think they do it ok. Not a good movie by any means, but I like what it brings to the table.

[@geneangrypenguin5876]

If you want an extra level of Meta the novel tie in also follows the logic of the movie for the "real" demon.

[@Gaizure]

Wes Craven's New Nightmare starring Wes Craven in his New Nightmare.

[@EpicOfChillgamesh]

What Psycho did for showers, Nightmare on Elm Street did for falling asleep behind the wheel. Turns out that its dangerous!

[@WenLee_Oz]

I'm just watching a channel that does retro TV commercials and up pops a TV ad for the Freddy Krueger hotline. You could call and talk to Freddie. US$2 for the first minute, 45c every minute after that. Freddie really was a popular villain.

[@Soyuz2578]

Jaboody Show? If it's not Jaboody show and you like retro commercials then you should be watching them coz they're hilarious

[@WenLee_Oz]

@Soyuz2578 nah, a different channel. I've not heard of Jaboody Show. I shall check it out.

[@sohbeck846]

Justice for Rex!

[@Whiskey0880]

Is it just me, or has the scary movie series never done parodies of elm street, because even they realised those movies were already parodies in and off themselves.

[@righteousindifference3179]

They did do a parody of elm street. In 2.

[@neplusultra4196]

It’s crazy that Craven went on to reinvigorate horror and make probably one of the most popular horror movies ever after this.

[@Andrewexploded]

Well, New Nightmare was essential a prototype for Scream, so it's not surprising.

[@neplusultra4196]

@@Andrewexploded exactly. Post modern horror. Or maybe meta horror.

[@nhagan001]

@@Andrewexplodedoh thank god he improved after this one… Because I would be cutting his budget in half after this … “movie”.

[@ManHamOrigins]

@@nhagan001 Has anyone ever told you how cool you are for saying that good thing is actually bad?

[@TheElbowKing]

Don't bother, during the live chat for the premiere I seen like 50 comments say "scream clone". The efap Fandom is so dumb now.

[@CorpoMoe]

I’ve only seen like 1 of these so this has been a treat. Thanks yall

[@irontuzi3453]

26:10 "It looks like he was clawed" Well, your husband did have some uncharitable things to say about mutants.

[@nedia8259]

Thrilled to be here!

[@Will_Plotegher]

51:17 The Police Academy films?? It's been a while since I watched them, but I kinda remember all of them being good for what they are. Except #7 Mission to Moscow. Haven't watched it and don't plan to. 🤘🤪🤘

[@HyoureiKyouran]

"621 Cowan Avenue"

[@Right_Said_Brett]

The Alien Romulus of the Freddy franchise; fanboys lapping up garbage because of references and knowing winks to the audience.

[@MVR3IWER]

Freddy's most powerful ability yet: TRANSCENDANCE OF FICTION!

[@HectorLopez0217]

Rip 🦖

[@neplusultra4196]

F for Rex.

[@MBS-HomuZombie]

I kinda like the idea that this movie was going for and the start but it just bleh'd out since the first death. The trouble is i dunno how much you can do with this while it still being the Freddy IP. Like i dunno if a slow burn would work for most people. Freddy's defeat was lame but it's almost expected at this point... i think it beats a mirror though. I'd still put this one above 4 and 5.

[@anthonysaylor8120]

Das: "Are we doing an Alan Wake?!?" No. Alan Wake did this better. Alan Wake's American Nightmare > Wes Craven's New Nightmare

[@LanguidWyvern]

1:06:40 you can see Freddy's rubber mask fold several times here, it looks like a higher quality version of a Spirit Halloween mask you'd get for $30

[@DorsenViussGorefote]

This latest reviewed installment certainly was lacking. That, "Freddy's Nightmares", tv series from the 80s would prove much more entertaining by comparison. Hopefully they'll take a look sooner or later.

[@duden2217]

This has to be the most disappointing because there's a great concept here that just got buried by weird decisions. Looking forward to Freddy Vs Jason because, while not a good movie in the traditional sense, it embraces what it is and has some fun with it.

[@BrandoTheJEDI1]

Fuck Yeah, I've been waiting all my life for this Efap since the last Elm Street video lol. Love the content man, you are the Goat.

[@taylorwitherspoon4283]

Oh finallly🎉 my favorite in the series by far

[@sparkypack]

Ok, but tell Rags to stop watching Vtubers all the time!

[@arrogantprimate721]

This movie is truly the Godfather 3 of the Nightmare on Elm Street.

[@kingjerrodthelion]

🦁. Honestly, remember this movie being a lot better, didn't expect it to age that poorly, there was literally stuff in this movie I've got no memory of, such as the babysitter going complete apeshit with the needle, & definitely don't remember it being that! goofy (talk about nostalgia goggles being lifted). Think this is a bit of the original Hellraiser vs the reboot scenario, which makes me think the remake is going to be better (remember liking it personally, but it too probably didn't age well either). Also, remember thinking the Scream movies were pretty bad (also made by Wes Craven), especially the IVth movie (that was painful), & they were pretty dam meta too. Tho think the Ist film was okay, & he did have a hand in creating Feast (which is a better version of Slither), so their's still hope for Wes yet,. Still, should have some respect for him, he is dead now, may he rest in peace.

[@VanDutch87]

I love Mauler, but no fucking way would I ever put Part 6 above New Nightmare.

[@fastlandcliffhanger6962]

Only compliement I can give NN is that it at least tried (keyword TRIED) to stick to horror while Part 6 didnt even bothered.

[@VanDutch87]

@@fastlandcliffhanger6962 Yeah, honestly I think after Part 6, the damage had already been done and there was no salvaging the series. I give Wes credit for trying to do something fresh and unique as well.

[@xenomorph733]

Come on this is potentious as hell

[@VanDutch87]

@@xenomorph733 You mean pretentious? Nah, I prefer the word clever.

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@VanDutch87 fifty fifty on that, the concept is interesting the execution is rather pretentious and tonally doesn’t work when trying to make freddy scary again, I think wes even said he regretted changing freddy that way. The kid acting is also a little rough to get through.

[@yosaru]

EFAP movies #64 up to this, would be nice to be added to playlist please!

[@theoconstantinou2839]

I forgot the kid from kindergarten cop was in this one

[@balketh2426]

This one brings in the worst aspects of the 1st, 2nd, and 5th Freddy's more of a telaporting demon then a dream monster. Unless everyone is a narcoleptic sleep walker

[@ArtemusCain]

Yay! My favorite Nightmare movie because I’m a pretentious dork. I’m sure they don’t like it, but they’re free to think that and I’m sure the video will be entertaining regardless

[@garrettokelly5357]

They'd get less clicks if they liked it or even paid attention.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

@@garrettokelly5357 Dream Warrior

[@ManHamOrigins]

@@lordofthepizzapie9319 Yes, they liked one movie out of seven. Thank you for pointing that out like it means anything.

[@321cheeseman]

​@@ManHamOrigins It means plenty. Did you somehow miss that he's responding to a guy saying EFAP hated it and didn't pay attention to get more clicks? Them enjoying and paying full attention to Dream Warriors is a bit strange if that's the case, wouldn't you say?

[@eirei0789]

@@ManHamOrigins they also seemed to enjoy 1 (until the ending happened) and 6 (where they fully give in to the silly and enjoyed the movie for its looney toons shenanigans).

[@Stagolee76]

14:40 He's not just why elm street happened. Also Lord of the Rings. He's the New Line Cinema guy.

[@thewickerman5121]

Ok, this film isn’t the worst, you guys haven’t thought more about the other films lol

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@thewickerman5121 I think it’s because they liked it in a so bad it’s good sort of way this way more slower paced in comparison to everything else they just binged.

[@Lava91point0]

if they dare say the remake is better in anyway, then you know they're full of shit. We shall see

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@Lava91point0 been seeing some fans treating that film a little better recently and giving it some credit and compliments. So it’s entirely possible.

[@Lava91point0]

@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 Oh god

[@kingbash6466]

​@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367It's not the worst movie ever, or even the worst horror remake but saying it's the best in the series is gonna make me side-eye you.

[@grintv6238]

I cant wait for freddy vs jason, its so goofy and fun. Team jason all the way

[@ViolentMessiah666]

Y'all would be surprised how many people fall asleep driving daily. 250,000 per day in the US alone, it's way more common than pepple realise

[@AliceBowie]

Yeah, when they watched the 4th or 5th move movie, I think Alice's bf falls asleep driving, and they thought it was unbelievable. It's like the most believable thing in any of these movies. If you drive over 10 hours straight, it's easy to just nod off and crash or drift into oncoming traffic. The police treat it as a similar offense to dui. A friend of mine in high school lost her father when a truck driver fell asleep and hit him head on.

[@ViolentMessiah666]

@@AliceBowie I always assumed it was pretty common but it was them mentioning it in 5 that made me go look up the stats out of curiosity. Was pretty surprised myself (UK is much smaller, can drive the length of the country in about 8 hours so not as likely but I've driven through France & Germany many times & it's a bloody haul, still nowhere near as big as the US tho)

[@VinnieMF]

Well, yeah. The issue in that scene was that falling asleep on the wheel entails crashing and waking up quickly or dying almost immediately, thus ending the dream before Freddy can do anything really. Not to mention the guy didn't seem sleepy or anything.

[@eirei0789]

The issue is not simply "falling asleep while driving". It's that when it happens, it's not "people dozing off behind the wheel due to exhaustion or sleep deprivation". Which yes, happens a lot. It's more "I guess Freddy somehow has the power to make people doing attention-intensive activity be sleepy". Also, like another commenter said, they're more likely to die due to traffic accident than Freddy killing them. Just dozing off for a few seconds is liable to make you veer off the road.

[@ViolentMessiah666]

@@eirei0789 the film doesn't state or imply that Freddy made him fall asleep & none of the other films show that to be one of his powers either, dunno where you got that from