EGLX - Duck (Samus) vs Leffen (Fox) - Loser's Eighths - SSBM

[@lukeman352]

Who said you were a god? I know it wasn't Duck

[@animaIpath]

LMAO

[@samuelvibritannia4831]

Surprisingly solid commentary here, I'm impressed.

[@MrDilwo]

It's always a samus...

[@Magress117]

ikr

[@bradwurst8141]

JV's commentary has improved sooo much. Excellent work from he and Vish imo

[@pinkdeaf1]

+Bradley Prorwicz Maybe solo, but I don't think they worked well together. At least, not in this match.

[@bradwurst8141]

Hmm, I watched this set again after reading your reply and I think JV and Vish bounced off one another well enough.

[@iverson25allen]

I had the biggest smile on my face waking up this morning, checking my feed and seeing this upload.

[@Magzillas]

The commentary in this set was top notch.

[@XSilvenX]

Incredible commentary for an incredible match. Truly legendary stuff.

[@ShiivGaming]

good memes never die

[@javiergomez8064]

Those light flashes must be super distracting mid match

[@mike-xm2jt]

i know right give them the concentration they need

[@MechaGV]

that's what I was thinking

[@augustcelineiii946]

Duck's Samus is amazing, but I feel like Leffen shouldn't have given up that last stock. He was only down by a little bit, and a comeback was absolutely possible there. It's nice to see a Samus player that's this good though. I've been trying to get my fix now that Plup is playing Sheik more often.

[@jdog3436]

This game reminds us all the need for Leffen. Everytime he loses, we all get a little aroused. Please US customs, let this villain return so he can lose.

[@toastertrudel104]

11:45 holy shit that was sick

[@SnoopyxX24]

Some one sponsor that man Duck

[@glenhoerner8837]

I could watch Leffen getting wrecked for hours.

[@raabidskate]

those lights must be so annoying

[@GamingPenis]

thought the same

[@PhillipForrence]

This was amazing commentary!

[@slimstealthy]

This dude straight up quits when he is only two stocks down. What a terrible mentality to be competing at a high level with

[@jdog3436]

Yeah two stocks is bad. Lol he's only done it with duck though

[@Teknanam]

+SlimStealthy 2 full stocks while his opponent is at match point while he has to win this game and another game to win the set. When you're at the mental point of wanting to quit, you probably aren't going to win anyway.

[@IMissMyDads]

He also quit on his set with Mango at Press start and M2k at Pax.

[@stormcutter59]

Wonder how many champions would have left the face of the earth had they had a mentality of "goddamn I'm at a disadvantage, the guy has the momentum, and gee I'm going to have to work more even after I win, better go home and eat some snacks while I wonder why I lost". Fuck that shit man!

[@Teknanam]

Joseph Franc To be fair, forfeiting gets you home to think about the match faster than playing it out and still losing.

[@toyotagaming]

Leffen still having samus problems. Also, LOL twitter.com/TempoAxe/status/726974937471152134 and twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/726553802166308864?lang=en

[@G_U_STHEBESTE]

Evidence.zip

[@BizerkPixel]

this commentary is spot on!

[@marisa77]

DuckerZ DuckerZ DuckerZ

[@teriyakita]

the DUCK WILL RISE!! Quack.

[@georgerosebush9754]

I wonder if he threw his controller down after this one.

[@Kira-wo8rg]

The real question is, did it miss the tech this time?

[@sunsets999]

wtf was the commentator saying at the end?

[@Tmathh]

good chemistry on commentators

[@polibot1]

leffen < samus

[@evanb.6150]

This is really nice to see.

[@jonathanh7509]

Dang it, I wanted to see Leffen use his Alts.

[@EA_SP0RTCENTER]

this might be the best most concentrated gameplay from any player I've seen.. nice duck

[@alexkottke7694]

@10:20 "Leffen with a rare mistake" You mean "once or twice per set"?

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

So many approaches from almost directly above. Leffen, Samus is the last character you want to try that against, all she wants to do is WD out of the way (or cc). Block her tilts and punish or dash dance more or something, lol. Leffen also reacted very poorly do Samus using a bomb to stall in the air onstage, chased her completely wrong. Good on Duck escaping drills, and just reacting to Leffen doing unsafe things well in general. Bad on Leffen for running into so many hitboxes.

[@boredgames4794]

dam wanted to see leffen get to hbox

[@9eyedjedi]

Hate when he gives up like that

[@bakurasensei]

Chillin should've used Samus.

[@Fieryvortex48]

I don't think Leffen still has a Samus problem. After practicing with Plup after Dreamhack and playing in friendlies against Duck, it's hard to believe Leffen wouldn't learn the match up right now. It looked to me he was tilted from still losing against Axe and had a mental block about losing to Samus. You could see how he kept fishing for those up smashes even though he wasn't getting them. I think it was more of his mind set going into this match than his ability to actually play the match up.

[@animaIpath]

Leffen got his Visa.. he'll be back

[@RokineMLG]

He didn't though...

[@animaIpath]

and i'm sad :(

[@RokineMLG]

Me too, it's not fair

[@bakurasensei]

I hope not.

[@mraaronhd]

Duck is probably the number 1 Samus in the world now.

[@stormcutter59]

Wonder how many champions would have fallen off the face of the earth had they thought "damn this guy has momentum, I'm at a disadvantage, and even IF I win....fuck I'm going to have to work more to win another game. Gee, I guess I'll quit and eat snacks while I wonder why I lost".

[@kaghon]

Is duck doing up airial interiors to land on the stage? it looks so smooth but I've never seen anyone do it with consistency except maybe plup on yoshi's

[@kaghon]

up airial interupts*

[@JohnDarkSouls00]

+Kaghon! Hugs can do it consistently and plup can as well (both on stages besides yoshis). And yeah pretty sure he is, at least sometimes, it gives samus tons more invincibility frames.

[@andrueis]

LMAO

[@HuyNguyen-vj1uw]

Smh how can someone so good as leffen be so bad at this match up

[@andrueis]

+Huy Nguyen i know... Its depressing but funny at the same time

[@JohnDoe-wg1uj]

+Huy Nguyen Leffen is really good at knowing when and how to get those up smash kills with Fox. This is why he's so good against Puff and Peach. Unlike those characters, Samus dies somewhere around 100% with up smash.. Also Duck is just really good at neutral. He beat Westballz in this tourny and was winning lots of games vs Mango at the summit during friendlies from what I heard.

[@HuyNguyen-vj1uw]

+Idc Stfu yea but Leffen is always losing to samus lol, like Leffen lost to hugs lol, no disrespect to hugs but leffen is a different caliber player

[@TumpsBudGuy]

+Huy Nguyen dude alot of people struggle against certain charchters. Its just facts of being a smash player. I can win a lot of games with falcon but i can not play against someone who is good at peach. Don't know why i just cant.

[@pinkdeaf1]

Leffen missed a lot of opportunities to punish Samus at low percent, but he cc rolled instead of cc up smash, as well as a lot of waveshine up smashes. It looks like he respected Duck too much.

[@weaselsdawg]

is it just me or is vish trying to be scar? he keeps using that weird scar intonation and around 4:30 he did that scar monkey sound he loves so much

[@JackedEcto]

+weaselsdawg yeah now that you point it out, he is really annoying.

[@seanmcdermott6164]

leffen>everyone leffen

[@randusp90]

so if duck becomes a doctor and he performs malpractice we can call him a quack

[@floofzykitten5236]

I love how they talk about Samus' D-Smash like it should be feared when it's one of the weakest in the game XD

[@badacid8685]

US Customs FTW!

[@itsbmeGaming]

Leffens' got 99 problems, and Samus is one.

[@Magress117]

holy shit!!!

[@stevenzhao158]

why is leffen not using vanilla fox in game 1?

[@darkstar4450]

Maybe he wanted to channel his inner neo

[@flameswitch555]

vanilla fox dont suit him

[@sammylucas6395]

+Desmond Prim I'm sure it was for armada dropping out

[@rickjames5135]

God dam leffen's kryptonite

[@ilovemusicfyi]

Melee needs Leffen to be good. We're sick and tired of Hbox and Armada winning. And Leffen will push Mango to new levels. It's all part of the script. We need our villain #FreeLeffen

[@ScionOfTheSeventhDawn]

+ilovemusicfyi We're sick of those only guys who play Peach and Jigglypuff, we need.... another Fox player.... just like all the thousands of other Fox players.

[@luthervenders4752]

+Nicolas Frasson we don't need leffen because he's just another fox player. We need him to continue shaping the meta game. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to see jigglypuff have a rise, but we need a fox like leffen to show fox stands a chance. Even in this time of dominance from hungrybox

[@NilsTFK]

+ilovemusicfyi what about westballz?

[@ilovemusicfyi]

+Nicolas Frasson Except you rarely actually see fox v. Fox dittos in grand finals. Mango traditionally plays falco. Only Armada v. Leffen is a guaranteed fox ditto. But other than that, M2k plays sheik/Marth, plup is samus/sheik, PPMD (if he comes back) math/falco, Ballz is Falco, etc etc. S2J and Wizzy consistently place top 8. The Foxiness is a bigger problem outside the top 10 methinks, you see a decent variety. And do NOT tell me that all foxes are the same, most are entertaining to watch for their own reasons (at the top level of play, again. I agree with you when it comes to lower-level players). I respect Hbox, and appreciate his contributions, but I do not want to see him in Grand Finals anymore. I say this as a Sheik main. Melee is mostly about personalities, characters, and the beauty of the game is that characteristics translate to the game. The Fox-problem is over-exagerrated.

[@Lemons714]

I’m kinda embarrassed to say that I forgot stadium transforms :/

[@mr.b9613]

plup x2, duck x2?? please hugo just one more!!!!

[@Slayer3915]

Love watchin' a good Samus

[@cozybrash]

Wasn't he bagging on Chillin about losing to a Samus? Karma ×5?

[@lekanosagie]

Who said you were a God? I know it wasn't Duck.

[@mikeshockinggentspence8714]

These fucking closed captions lmao

[@haniii3]

The commentator that isn't vish looks like tom from parks and rec

[@JustinL186]

and why is he red?

[@seanb3226]

Why'd Leffen throw his last stock?

[@coolfrood1225]

Samus kinda sounds like she's quacking when she wavedashes tbh.

[@Skelen]

Good commentary

[@Tmathh]

duck is fckin sick

[@Tmathh]

samus>leffen

[@Aidan42781]

announcers always so bloodthirsty for Samus charge shots

[@zaigar1243]

Duck was playing so ducking good here. #Kreygasm

[@DarukaEon]

Maaaaannnn.... As much as I love to see Leffen lose, he shouldn't have done that. I expect him to go all out in a bang. :/ But anyway, good job Duck for keeping his cool! :D

[@mike-xm2jt]

these matches just make me sad for leffen

[@enigmaactivate3039]

P.S Leffen...

[@xMrxsunshinex]

I have a hard time respecting Leffen as a player. I understand his villain/vegeta complex is "good for the community" but I hate how he gives up and throws away matches when he assumes that he's going to lose. He doesn't just do that because he's tired or knows he going to lose, he wants to take away the satisfaction of victory from his opponent and cushion the blow of his loss. It totally sucks the hype from the match and leaves both his opponent and the audience unsatisfied.

[@stevengoodner249]

It's called being salty and on tilt. Some players just accept they lost the round and want to get to the next one as fast as possible.

[@PokemonHeroTristan]

+Jordan Cornwell A lot of players run off the stage or quit out when they know it's over. Mew2king does it a lot and so does Mang0. Sometimes people just aren't feeling it or get on tilt or demoralized, and can't continue. It's all a part of the mental aspect of Melee. Leffen couldn't handle Duck's momentum, and he gave up. It's not his "villainy" or "to take away the satisfaction of victory", it's because Leffen is human and he lost confidence.

[@Cam101077]

The leffen slayer hahaha

[@cross25011990]

psyduck got headage and won the game

[@125conman]

@Versace Bentley lol.

[@yeetloaf7247]

leffen why

[@melt2933]

To be fair, the new leffen episode explains a bit

[@lucifersam7946]

It was still pretty hype, regardless.

[@oblonghas]

DUCK MY BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[@PlanBeamin]

samus is his poison

[@batmanslegion]

why doenst Duck edge guard

[@joltdrop4518]

Leffen should pick up something else just for Samus

[@Gengar221]

Once the gods of this generation are gone, the new gods will be Leffen, Axe, Westballz, KJH, and DJ Nintendo

[@Gengar221]

Maybe even Duck or aMsa

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

+Kirin Typh wat

[@kkokay4]

+Kirin Typh DJ NINTENDO?! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

[@mr.b9613]

The next gods will be Plup, Axe, Westballz, Lucky & Hax

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

Space Cowboy Hax will be a cyborg.

[@VanguardJohnson]

that commentator was funny

[@breakerboy365]

i kinda wanted leffen to win this one he always loses to samus i feel bad

[@PersonaXlll]

leffen keeps overextending, he dont respect her buttons or recovery lol

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

+XrossFixtion And if you've read his Smashboards posts, he never did.

[@mondomantra]

Samus is a really tricky character, due to her amazing recovery, great hitboxes, and great projectiles. In my opinion, you want an airborne Samus because (1) her up air is near useless and her fair and bair are situational & (2) she has a very slow falling speed. Because of this, this makes her in-air game limited and unsafe. Nair is really good at calling out late followups, but she is very vulnerable from the top of her head to her back. Just wait/bait out the falling nair, then get her. In general, an aerial-spamming Samus is easy money. Also, try noticing if the Samus is grab-happy or dash-attack based in the neutral. Her dash attack is a bad approach, similar to Falcon and Ganon's Dash Attack

[@mondomantra]

+AllBassPromoter I mentioned dash attack and grab because a lot of less experienced and newer Samuses grab and dash-attack way too much. I'd know because I was a Samus main once.

[@1000g2g3g4g800999]

AllBassPromoter Samus's upair isn't useless. It can combo into nair or fair mid jump, and can be used to drag people down landing, or to poke through a platform. Poking side platforms with bair is a lot easier and less situational than you may think, and it can be combo'd into. With that said, she does suck in the air when not comboing, and you do want her in the air if she's your opponent. Dash attack is less bad if done such that it connects on the opposite side of the opponent it started on, since it launches her further away. More importantly, none of her tilts are actually safe on shield, her Smash attacks don't even come close to safe, and her jab needs to be spaced well for jab pressure to not suck. Getting in close and dropping bombs (the remaining safe pro-active approach thing she can do) is actually really hard if not backed up by a missile, and missile spam is trivial when the opponent learns to aerial them, or hit them with a long ranged tilt. Moreover, Samus can just bomb when there isn't a true followup on her to gain drift to try to escape while also covering herself. Much better than nair for escape unless they see you jumping into them. Duck actually did that in this set, but Leffen also responded completely incorrectly to the direction Duck went to escape. Samus's real flaws are that her offense isn't legitimately safe (and doesn't even come close without superb spacing), and she loses out to shield as well as camping. Meanwhile, her defensive options are all extremely high commitment (everything out of shield except wavedash) or otherwise extremely punishable. She's forced to win neutral over and over and has a hard time starting a combo without the opponent making a huge error. The only Samus player I've ever seen successfully create their own openings to get damage and not rely on the opponent making mad decisions to start punishes was Plup, really.

[@mondomantra]

1000g2g3g4g800999 thanks for giving a more detailed analysis of Samus. My knowledge of Samus is fairly limited, so I can't really give that in-depth or experienced perspective. Looking back to when I saw Samus's frame data, I do remember that she does not really have safe-on-shield options. Up air isn't that useless, but I find it hard to land all the hits (not like that makes it bad). Bair isn't that situational, but in the air, it is not a safe move to come down with imo. Then again, I only really know her well from a technical, so my ideas lack some information. I do think that she's one of the most deep, yet somewhat undeveloped characters in the game. She's pretty underrated and unique.

[@supabigsteve3969]

Leffen's back?

[@customxspunjah]

+cakes AND cookies? robinson This is in Toronto

[@thesaucypickle9866]

+cakes AND cookies? robinson Leffen is freed he got approved for a visa

[@thesaucypickle9866]

***** I thought he reapplied and got it

[@thesaucypickle9866]

lol what? you totally can react to samus' grab

[@destructo771]

+TheSaucyPickle they were being sarcastic

[@jakfosarn9257]

Horse-sized duck!

[@enjoy_s8390]

RED BULL DUCK!

[@markk9530]

Leffen wanted PS for the easy upsmash kills but he gave up his ability to top platform camp while doing so. Sloppy slopy stuff Leff Leff

[@kkokay4]

+Mark Tronco The PS choice is fine, its just hes playing the matchup poorly. His tech was honestly flawless, but he never mixes anything up or baits the samus. He just runs at her and does the fastest and most obvious option every time.

[@p00p00king]

Exposed yet again rofl

[@thesaucypickle9866]

And people still want to say leffen is a god

[@Link24a]

he'll make it back eventually...

[@thesaucypickle9866]

Link24 keep telling yourself that

[@Link24a]

+TheSaucyPickle do you even understand leffen as a player or are you really that biased?

[@Link24a]

+Yang Fei leffen only loses to samuses when he's on bad days or has had a bad loss beforehand. Look at the times he's lost to samus: Evo vs plup: he'd lost to druggedfox beforehand This tournament set: he'd lost to axe beforehand Dreamhack vs duck: he'd lost to westballz beforehand Leffen either places like 7th or he gets top 3/2 or even first. His mental state in Melee is almost as bad as mew2king's. He gets 4 stocked almost as much he does, has just about as short losers runs as he does, gets messed up by things he doesn't understand like he does, etc.

[@thesaucypickle9866]

Link24 except m2k has results even with a shitty mentality if he consistently loses to non gods how can he be a god? I'm not saying he's not top 10 but he hasn't reached god status yet

[@TeddyPicker191]

Vish is not the best commentator imo

[@Odysseus1]

ALL SCRIPTED

[@CristianoMuLegend]

This commentator is annoying af

[@qwert12345asdfgzxcvb]

LMAO