ACRO is not premium

[@mariogarcia6086]

I wouldn't normally comment on these things but my sample size is unusual so I believe it is incredibly telling for the initial batches manufactured. I can't speak for ACRO P2 optics made after 2023. My organization bought 60 plus (maybe 65?) ACRO P2 optics for a selection course in 2023, on my recommendation. We broke more than 20 of them with various issues from the dot just not working anymore , fogging issues after being rained on and the most common issue, front glass shattering for no obvious reason. In my experience it is not a reliable or durable optic.

[@Whiskey.Tango.Actual]

Hmmm. What kind of selection course needed pistol red dots? Also would be curious to see the same scenario with different optics 😂

[@joquin4618]

Wow 🤯

[@MSmatt76]

Yeah, that sucks when you recommend something, and it poops the bed. I had the same experience when I recommended a pistol light to my agency, and they started to fail miserably. It didn't help that the company changed the construction of the lights after we purchased them.

[@user-mj1vb8jr6j]

My RMR type 2 is just fine. On my rifle I have a Steiner MPS I got on sale for 349 this past July 4th. I just mounted it yesterday on my badger condition one setup. If the RMR was on sale for the same price I would have got it instead. The whole “enclosed optic fad” seems kinda overrated at this point. The RCR may change my mind. Hell the Steiner may change my mind, but it’s going on an SPR 556 so it’s much different than a reciprocating slide.

[@genin69]

somehow the acro is dirt cheap in my country, it does not scream premium product at all, so guys on a budget would get them

[@MentalJourney365]

Ben is like someone who only wears free clothes and hats he finds in random places LOL

[@MrCashewkitty]

Yet still slings that D 😂

[@samzeng159]

Save money for ammo

[@evanfuller6538]

Never laughed so hard

[@leftyo9589]

thats how he affords stacatto's. he doesnt spend money on clothes! LOL

[@strohausii]

Travels light

[@user-xj7kk7rb9p]

First, how dare you? The things I spend my money on based on youtube videos and what i see in the instagram feed everyday is a direct representation of my self worth. take it back

[@brettshook785]

Fellow acro owners. Show me where on this stuffed animal Ben Stoeger hurt you specifically 🧸

[@jacobparable5366]

right here ->❤‍🩹😢

[@CutlassOutdoors]

I don't let Ben touch me. Not anymore. Fool me once...

[@amosmoses9247]

"Right here, on my optic"

[@DanDan-cl7em]

Holosun, if ur reading this sponsor this guy already

[@not_that_jon_guy]

"how dare you!" - acro owners probably

[@SunshineHB]

😂

[@fredsanford8667]

Word ​@@ThePoorBoy

[@aribpm]

🧐

[@RegimentJoker]

Accurate, it's a great optic. This guy is just a natural contrarian. He hates on everything.

[@paddypibblet846]

Granted I don't live where it rains (South West), but my Trijicon RMR has gone strong for 10 years of duty and CCW carry... and roughly around 100k rounds through it by being mounted on different guns. I still think the RMR is the gold standard. I wish Trijicon upped their game and released some dots with more updated features, but I'm still happy with the simplicity and reliability of a RMR. I was eyeing the ACRO simply because it's supposed to be the "latest and greatest", but I'm glad I came across this information. Saved me some good amount of $$$.

[@justinmoore4088]

I've been using an OG RMR06 w/Battlewerxs sealing plate on my G19.4 since 2014. Still works BAU.

[@jmar7762]

Trijicon had the RCR and RMR HD.

[@jordansu1632]

Great info and no bias absolutely love this take ❤😂 acros are for Gucci boys

[@SuperVeeZee]

"More updated features" I would like to introduce you to the RCR and (what will be my next pistol optic after a string of Holosun 509's that I've been super happy with) the RMR HD.

[@shootintheshtpodcast]

As someone who owns an ACRO, it isn’t premium, but it is nice to have

[@blahblahblah7554]

Acro is premium when passive shooting under NODs.. it’s the least parallax shifting micro for (only thing better is T2)

[@blackout.ghost718]

^ false

[@blahblahblah7554]

@@blackout.ghost718 ^gay

[@blahblahblah7554]

@@blackout.ghost718 ^clown

[@rackpull772]

My friend was running a P2 for work. 3 failed in under a year.

[@innawoods.larper]

3 failed for him, or the whole department?

[@fox1actual]

Mine hasn’t failed at all. It’s great. Sounds like your buddy sucks with equipment.

[@kobe5rings]

​@@fox1actualSounds like your meat riding aimpoint. Its fucking trash

[@DocHudson420]

@@fox1actualfound the guy Ben was talking about 😂

[@laskalives]

People just want validations for their purchases...

[@stephanarizona9094]

I'm a gear snob and place a premium of brand name, I love the ACRO P2, I have never had a problem, but if you watch enough videos about them, there is plenty of people who have had ACRO failure at the range or normal daily operation, nothing close to combat use, however despite that, I would always pick a Aimpoint over a Holosun, or other competitor brands.

[@nateosborne5162]

Some people buy what the internet says is the premium product as “insurance” for if there is are any issues. Example: you buy an Anderson lower and it’s out of spec, people make fun of you; but if you buy a KAC lower and it’s out of spec people crawl out of the woodwork to tell you how good customer service is at KAC and that they will take care of you. In both cases you got a bad product, but if you buy the expensive item there are usually more fanboys on the internet that will support you if there’s problems.

[@danielianello]

In my experience, the KAC people would probably just tell you you're wrong and that its not out of spec (look at the all the bendy bill geissele stuff as an example).

[@taylormartin4346]

That's actually a really good point. Good observation

[@WyattDerpTheNotSoEarp]

One is well known for quality hard use products with rare quality issues. The other is a budget brand known for the absolute opposite. It's pretty common sense.

[@nateosborne5162]

@@WyattDerpTheNotSoEarp Yes, I agree 100% that buying something from certain brands (like KAC) gives you a much better chance of getting a product that works compared to others (like Anderson). However, if you get something that doesn't work properly, it doesn't matter what the rollmark is-it's not working. My comment was more focused on how people react to bad products, and how it is different based on where the product came from. Often our biases allow us to use the Anderson (sticking with the same companies for the example) issues to confirm our perception that a product is trash, while the KAC issues aren't addressed in the same way-we talk about how good their customer service is.

[@blackout.ghost718]

It's actually the opposite lol most poors cope and say how good CS is just ask the psa girls

[@gh0stb0y75]

ive had 5 friends purchase the acro at different times throughout 2022-2023, all 5 had to RMA the acro due to them self destructing. Delamination, Fog inside the lens, de-purging, buttons stopped working, Battery cap lost pressure on battery. Aimpoint has been transparent that it has been their 'worst' optic in terms of RMA numbers. I would not run one due to inferior specs compared to the competition, and its track record of lifespan

[@Mrgunsngear]

Hot take

[@gusgamble]

I have one on my 34 and tend to agree. It's fine and I wont be replacing it unless it breaks

[@tokyosan7906]

I ain't rich. I do have one premium handgun and one premium black rifle. When I show up to a class with them I always get questioned from guys with top line stuff why I have holosuns on them, implying they are inferior. I just give blah blah answers but at the end of class some times I'm tempted to tell those guys, hey look, I shot just as good as you, maybe better, with holosun. I've had the same dots since 2020 too, none have gone down. All holosun, because that was what the good deals were at the times I was buying.

[@kevinhenderson8944]

I have Holosun, Trijicon, Aimpoint, Leupold, and even Steiner. I like all of them. From all the above, I’ve only had to send my Holosun back for repair/ replacement. Personally, from all the optics above, I like the Acro the best because it is a close emitter optic with the largest window I can find. Second place is the Steiner. I’m done with open emitter optics and hate small glass with a narrow FoV. In a perfect world, I’d have a closed emitter SRO or Leupold DPP.

[@AB1138-]

People who buy the ACRO spend top dollar for a foriegn product w/ tiny window & QC issues. Its definitely a fashion statement. People were talking about the glass issues for years, i get using the optic footprint but not their product. I only managed to look down an ACRO after i had my Lead & Steel Pandora, and the later's 30% bigger window in similar size housing is a game changer. Half the price w/ integrated sealing plates & no need for aftermarket parts. People can troll all they want, but im not using anything else.

[@grantshurtz]

I had one of the early p2s, only red dot I’ve ever had that experienced a catastrophic failure (emitter popped out of the housing and the dot was offset by several feet at 7 yards) The replacement has held up so far, probably 5k rounds at this point but I don’t keep great track. One thing that is pretty nice about acro is night vision usage, which doesn’t matter for most folks. But the glass is very clear and the brightness settings are nice.

[@sectorseven07]

As someone who has actually had things like snow and torrential rain occlude my optic im going to add another hot take in that closed emitters are overhyped in general. A bunch of people who will never suffer from having an open emitter have real strong opinions about them.

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

I've decided on the Holosun 509t and Holosun Carry.

[@evanf7334]

Lol

[@Synapse064]

You won’t regret it

[@0xide00]

Even worse. Lol wtf

[@CatholicKit]

I havent seen EPS’s dying left and right, have heard lots of weird failures with the ACRO

[@evanf7334]

@@CatholicKit​​⁠Rifle dots is where aimpoint excels at, but that being said I see holosuns being thrown onto the used market ALL THE TIME. Can’t help but wonder why lol

[@tribble1]

Its premium because of its battery consumption not because its good. #FlexOnThePoors

[@Shane-eg5kq]

cope

[@jacobparable5366]

hahahahha

[@shannonmarcantel7993]

People buy Acro expecting T2 reliability. They aren’t there yet across the board.

[@Quality_Guru]

Paying more doesn't necessarily give you more.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Buy once 😭 once ...

[@Quality_Guru]

@@DavidLLambertmobile If you buy a Mercedes-Benz once you continue to cry with each repair bill. Should’ve paid less and gone with a Lexus

[@mauricehardy5012]

I keep telling people this,it’s cheaper I wouldn’t use it in duty,me:so it works everyday at range which means it’s working and u probably will never use in self defense but buy a trijicon and it failed at range 2nd trip wth make it make sense for the money

[@Bombstark]

I have a Holosun 507C X2G on my Staccato XC -- somebody at the shop told me I should have boughten American and specifically an ACRO. I did what I wanted instead -- to each their own.

[@thatonedoood]

The irony in that aimpoint isn't even american 😅

[@SuperAbsolute]

aimpoint is a swedish company lol

[@marcusmaggiore5740]

Great setup I run the same

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Boughten?

[@turnermd1302]

@@thatonedoood I love telling people that Aimpoint is a European company that builds optics using components bought from China lol, to be honest I don't really care where my optic is made as long as it's not marked up 50+ percent of the manufacturing cost like everything AImpoint sells

[@aribpm]

My ACRO grew me by 4 inches in girth. Thank you Aimpoint !

[@sludge_factory_foreman]

I bought a Steiner MPS over the ACRO P2 with prejudice. I think the ACRO is genuinely propped up solely by "Gucci" culture.

[@alu.304]

I carried the Beretta for 28 of my 32 years, primarily as an MP in the Marine Corps and Security Forces/CATM/Raven in the Air Force. I maintained a SF Armory both CONUS and Iraq. I personally saw very few broken M9's, more parts wear in Marine M9's because of poor maintenance. The M18 in the last 2 years before my retirement was absolutely a mess.

[@onpsxmember]

What breaks on the M18 the most? What was so messy? Quality & fit of spare parts?

[@darrius8990v]

Let the controversy begin

[@SnapD24]

But there is no controversy. When they first came out, a bunch of LE and military shooters at my local match were already bitching about fogging and dot failures within 3 months of release. They've always been trash. They're still trash.

[@Tomr-jr3hl]

Beretta problems were only because the military decided to use way overpressured ammo in the beginning. Not unlike the adoption of the m16 when they disregarded the manufacturer to save money and had the ammo making the guns malfunction. Except in the case of the m16 the ammo decision caused people to lose their life

[@HWG-wm8ld]

The navy had issues with the 226 due to that ammo as well.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Well, since only one unit used the 226 in the navy, it’s numbers. If 10 out of 100 pistols had issues isn’t news worthy. If 1000 out of 6000 pistols had issues, that is. It was early on, same time as the beretta issues.

[@velociraptorlegs.]

Thank you for dropping this video one day after i order a p2

[@Briathos1]

Same. I want a large window…RMR’s are tiny windows. It’s all technology and it’s all gonna fail at some point. Meh.

[@RLS_91]

@@Briathos1 507 comp

[@HWG-wm8ld]

You can send it back.

[@Briathos1]

@@HWG-wm8ld But what else is a closed emitter with a large window?….

[@whitlock3076]

Imagine telling Ben Stoeger what dot he should have gotten lol

[@SNW_36]

I’ve got an ACRO. Never had a problem with it. I’ve got an RMR, never had a problem with it. I’ve got a 507c, never had a problem with it. They all do the same thing and I can definitively say, for me, there is no difference besides a little bit of dot clarity on the ACRO and RMR, and the ACRO gets really bright. It’s all good man, buy what you want but at least go out and shoot with it.

[@onpsxmember]

What kind of Acro, when did you buy it and what round count on the mentioned rds?

[@SNW_36]

@@onpsxmember the ACRO is a p2 that I bought about 6 months ago. Has about 1000 on it. My RMR probably has 5-6k on it and it’s on my 19 carry gun. It’s probably 4 years old. The 507c, I have no idea. It’s on a 17 that’s my practice that also doubles as USPSA gun when I get the rare opportunity to do that. I do understand that I don’t have nearly enough on the ACRO to be really objective about it.

[@onpsxmember]

@@SNW_36 Thanks for the reply. 3-5% of dots croak early on. Maybe you're already safe or maybe after 3k? Hard to say.

[@shelby1kenobee510]

Agreed. Battery life is far short of advertised as well. We have seen inconsistent results at best with hundreds of units.

[@onpsxmember]

What environment, what batteries and how long did they last at x brightness level? It'd be nice to have some rough data on the Acro p2s and the CR1225.

[@MF_UNDERTOW]

I think Mojo talked about a P2 or two failing on him as well but he had them replaced and has since had no issues.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

You guys “friends”?

[@MF_UNDERTOW]

@@HWG-wm8ld We do live in the same commie state but naw, he said it in a video.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Could not imagine being friends with that dude

[@cia290]

I ordered one when they first came out. Had the front interior glass brake. I called and told me to send it in. 4 or 5 weeks I was like where is this thing. I called back and they sent me one right out. I then ordered another one in case something happened to the new from Aimpoint. I got the replacement and within two weeks of using it something little black plastic was rolling around inside. The new one I had ordered I have been using it ever since with no problems. It was definitely a surprise.

[@CompetitionChris]

I don't know much about the acros durability. But I think they are just too bulky and big for such a small window. That's why I like the EPS full size. Decent size window and closed emitter

[@madmark503]

I have, and use, three P2’s and one P1. No failures. Had two MPS’s and they both broke. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@onpsxmember]

How did they break and what round count?

[@kaynenbrown5102]

Holosun fails, trash Chinese optic. Rmr or Acro fail, “their customer service was great”. These optics fail just as much if not more in some cases then Holosun optics.

[@swiftaudi]

The acro p2 is failing at an alarming rate. I don’t know this personally but I’ve heard this from more than a few shooters and i mix it up with lots of shooters. Oddly i didn’t hear this about the p1.

[@ericsea7783]

People complaining about Chinese optics from a phone made by a 9yr old Chinese boy.... ironic. 😂

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Not just as much, not even close.

[@ShootingSportsandAccesso-sd9li]

They fail way more often in my experience.

[@amosmoses9247]

By this logic Aimpoint = Vortex. "Vortex customer service is awesome. I've sent back 8 scopes and they sent new ones everytime". Can you hear yourselves? 😂

[@klee1410]

I have an acro p2 on one gun... because it's cut for an acro. I won't be buying another. I don't have a bad experience with it, but its window is a bit small for my liking and I can't get it to conceal for crap no matter how I carry the gun because the enclosed format makes the rear of the optic print. Not all enclosed optics do this. The holosuns don't, for instance. Really just a problem with the acros, mps, and their budget copies. I can give the mps a pass since it cost me like $175 when everyone was blowing them out. I just can't justify a second acro though, even through it makes a pretty good offset rifle dot.

[@ImNoBSING]

In reservist circles the holosuns have good rep but aimpoints have better. Ofc, the T2 is incredible. My C1 has been to repair once for some clutter on the lens and just in winter I noticed it was fogging up. So they ruined it during repair... But neither problem really stopped me from shooting. I bought aimpoint because it tends to rain often (water or snow or both) and mainly because we have a lot of negative degrees that we shoot in and I suspect the chinese products may not last there. I have neither never had a positive experience of a product made in china. But nowdays with global companies owning everything along with DEI and ESG you can get crap from anywhere.

[@bruinranger13]

So my understanding from a friend that is an aimpoint dealer is that there was 1 really bad batch of ACROs that had issues, especially with the glass coming loose or not staying sealed and allowing the moisture issues. I’ve had nothing but good experiences with my ACROs, but I’m not emotionally attached to my pistol optic. I went with it because I saw tons of people talking about issues with their 509T that kept having moisture issues, even the replacement they were sent by Holosun.

[@onpsxmember]

How long do you have them, what kind of acros and what round count?

[@JakeCamo]

That’s why for duty I recommend the trijicon RCR and for serious civilian (and maybe duty on a budget) the Steiner MPS. For ccw I’d just go with holosuns EPS line.

[@Hotpotate]

I’ve had zero issues with my Leupold DPPs or my Holosuns. Truth be told, if I was gonna spend Acro money I’d just buy a that new trijicon hotness.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

ACRO2s are NOT for the poors 🧐 . I like the design but they seem hard to buy, CONUS 🛒 .

[@paddypibblet846]

​@@DavidLLambertmobilelol bro you're poor if you're online talking about or debating an item with a difference of a few hundred dollars. I've worked for billionaires and they don't bother with these miniscule things.

[@Willis2515]

I think the DPP gets slept on.

[@Hotpotate]

@@DavidLLambertmobileyea I was gonna say I just picked up an XC recently but you’ll probably just “flex” some other ultra premium double stack 1911 to make sure I know I’m still a “poor”. 😂. The previous gen ACRO wasn’t for poors either, especially if you couldn’t afford to change the batteries once a week. 🤣

[@milspecmike8440]

Your rich friend will be moving to Trijicons anyway considering the RCR and RMR HD are more expensive than ACROs now.

[@byronh77]

It’s a mailbox……l would agree.

[@luismazza7969]

I gotta use my acros more, in FL weather mine have not failed, will put them to the test soon next to the rcr

[@RodB9669]

I agree with this. I've enjoyed my time on the Acro. I have 3. Two are on pistols and one is an offset dot on a rifle. I understand why people don't like them, but as you stated in the video; it's just an option for the enclosed emitters. I've never had issues, but I understand that others have. I bought them because I've had a great time with them and for no other reason. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

[@uncleshushu1]

I agree with this assessment. My experiences with them have been about the same. If I could do it all over again I would go with Holosun and save me ton of money especially since I have about a dozen red dots.

[@walterwilliams268]

ACRO is a ginormous mailbox 📫 indeed 😂

[@Argentum88]

There is only 1 thing premium about the Acro... and that is the optical coatings Aimpoint puts on them. I've shot virtually all of the red dots under night vision and the Acro has by far the best light transmission besides maybe some of the new Sig stuff. I own both a P1 and P2 and besides inconsistent battery life I have been happy with them and their performance. But I agree that Aimpoint has had a ton of QC issues with them in the last 2 years so unless you're a hardcore night vision user it would not be my first recommendation.

[@onpsxmember]

How long does the battery last? How long in the cold?

[@Argentum88]

@@onpsxmember Aimpoint is behind the curve on cutting edge and efficient LED manufacture. That's where Holosun has cornered the market. My P1 has really poor battery life if I leave it on. It will barely make a few months on an normal daylight setting. The P2 is much better but still struggles to get to a full year with constant on. In the end Aimpoint made the optic for professional military end users who routinely change their batteries out before every operation. The Acro was never designed to be a concealed carry or competition optic - period.

[@BA-oy9uo]

Nyet, Full size EPS is fine.

[@gavenevans]

Mines holding up well, but enclosed emitters seem to be a total guessing game

[@blahblahblah7554]

Acro is premium when you’re passive shooting w/NODs.. not as much parallax shift as rmr/sro/503g etc

[@HWG-wm8ld]

And you shoot with nods for fun?

[@blahblahblah7554]

@@HWG-wm8ld I do.. you don’t?

[@ProjectD13X]

So I've only ever owned 4(5?) handgun dots. A gen 1 ACRO, that guy went 30k rounds for me, it would fog under extreme humidity but I'd just bump the brightness up one setting and move on with shooting, a gen 2 ACRO which is still pretty new to me and I got it for less than the other dot I own: the Steiner MPS I've had 2 or 3 of these things. The uncertainty comes from my having to send one of them in because one of the tabs that hold the battery in broke and it would cause the thing to flicker off, not sure if they sent me a new one or fixed the one I sent in. It's not some wonder optic, I've just had good luck with them.

[@bradedwards1777]

I own a acro p2 and a eps my suggestion get the eps for half the price.

[@xdeslitx]

I've had people look down on me for putting 507 comps on an infinity and atlas. I just laughed thinking why do you care what I put on MY gun? This one guy went on to get very emotional and claiming he was military etc. I have military friends and they don't throw around being in the military to put people down for the decisions they make. I remember making a comment asking why he's being so emotional about the SRO and he replied by saying the military trained emotion out of him, but he wouldn't stop being emotional about why I have 507 comps on my guns.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

He was probably a pog and was a shitbag. The guys that have to tell you have insecurities for sure.

[@DaveandDebe]

Big, Big Bus with tiny, tiny windows 😂

[@revolutionanarchy713]

Def agree. Its fact if the product is breaking and being back more than any other pistol rds right now.

[@koffeekage]

RCR it is.

[@noway6633]

The RCR will have the same issues it's just not as ubiquitous

[@Willis2515]

Wait for the gen 2 when it has the forward light sensor like the RMR HD.

[@theghost75]

RMR mounted atop my SDO (and every IAR) during my time in the Corps took a proper beating. Their glass was umm….not great condition…but they still functioned strong; no issues

[@theghost75]

The glass was rough and whooped from abuse over the years. Not inherently bad glass quality otherwise. Just from taking beating(s)

[@bvbell5244]

The only thing it’s a step up in is cost 😅, I don’t think they’re awful but I also think the Holosun EPS is a contender with a better track record. How’ve almost all of the enclosed dots are not issue free. They take a lot of abuse and it’s a manufacturing struggle to keep them air tight. I also wonder if the type of pistol they’re mounted on doesn’t contribute depending on how aggressively the slide reciprocates.

[@colinsutter369]

I got em all, I like enclosed and I’m a big fan of the 509, but I did have to send in the 509 I carry daily because the plastic on the buttons peeled off and reveled electrical board . They fixed it fast , but the material and design of the ACRO and Trijicons is definitely higher quality than Holosun. That being said , I love Holosun and recommend to everyone

[@onpsxmember]

Which 509 was it and when did you buy it?

[@colinsutter369]

@@onpsxmember I have a number of them , this one was a HE509T. I think it was an early model but not sure . Still on my edc after repair

[@onpsxmember]

@@colinsutter369 Thanks for the reply.

[@DudeNamedDad]

I wonder what Ben’s thoughts are on PCSL as an emerging alternative to USPSA.

[@pb1anco172]

I got a blem sig romeo 2 for my first "enclosed" dot after I heard of people having issues with fogging and debris in their enclosed dots. I like that if there is an issue of moisture or debris (which hasnt happened yet) that I am the QC and don't need to send something to the factory. Been doing well so far.

[@johnnychen3632]

I own 2. It is NOT the best dot. I needed button lockout feature desperately.

[@den_see]

Videos like these help us poors from buying not-so-good stuff with our meager budgets. Thanks Ben!

[@BlackDogOriginal]

What is premium then?

[@autonomousdefense]

12k deep on mine, actually disagreed with velox on that video he made in a few different places, really didn’t like he’s supposedly seen so many fail but didn’t bother to take photos because I’ve seen every closed emitter optic fail from internal problems with the exception being the RCR because I haven’t seen anyone use them yet. I do agree the Acro isn’t any better or any worse than anything else I have it because I haven’t broken mine yet and do also prefer the SRO. I’ve also got one of the original big batches Trex arms brought out when the Acro was very hard to get.

[@autonomousdefense]

I will make a correction to this statement, it’s not any better or any worse reliability wise in my experience, it is worse performance wise because of the glass size.

[@yinonyechezkeli3406]

Acro owner here. I wanted a gun with an optic that will work 100% of the time. I chose the Glock 19, and the acro p2. Glock because well... it's a Glock And the acro because of my experience in the military with aimpoint (comp m2, comp m4 and m5). I thought the acro would be the obvious choice. Now seeing all this surface up does make me doubt my decision, so far the acro has been good to me. The biggest problem tho, I'm from Israel, couldn't buy it here and I imported it from the US, so basically, I got no warranty which means, if 1 thing surfaces up, I'm screwed.... So, anyways, in your opinion, what's the most reliable and rugged optic?

[@SuperAbsolute]

rmr all day

[@yinonyechezkeli3406]

@@SuperAbsolute been thinking about it. Was thinking between the rmr / rmr hd, and the acro

[@SuperAbsolute]

@@yinonyechezkeli3406 rmr hd looks badass but you can’t beat the track record the regular old rmr has.

[@yinonyechezkeli3406]

@@SuperAbsolute yeah 100% My top priority in an optic is reliability, other than that, I guess most dots basically do the same thing and there's not much of a difference. Thought the acro would be the best. Btw, here in Israel, optics are sooo expensive. Importing the acro from the US costs the same as the holosun 509

[@mikeanshit158]

Premium would be an aimpoint T2 on a unity 2.26 mount on that stacatto!

[@RidingandFlying]

Perfection is unobtainable, and premium is an illusion.

[@trench_grenade]

How dare you attack my entire personality built around this product?!

[@JoshuaE-BiblePatriot]

Exactly. Same with the p320, staccato, etc etc

[@Synapse064]

Dead serious the reason I trust Canik and Holosun over other brands is because I’ve experienced them just run under harsh conditions. I’ve never had a malfunction or failure.

[@Brijay02]

I have 2 Acro P2. I recently sent one away because of the “grease” leaking down on the inside glass which you obviously can’t wipe off and it obscures your view. I still like the Acro very much but I think I will go with the SRO on an XC I have coming. That being said the Acro is a great dot for me so I would recommend them with a caution. Thank you

[@Vante512]

This is one of the instances where you DON’T get what you pay for. We’ve gotta stop equating price to quality.

[@heniser]

Just got your book Practical Pistol in the mail from Amazon for myself and a new shooter friend as a gift. He wants to know what guns you would recommend for a new shooter that wants to eventually do competition for fun/hobby. Would you start on the Beretta 92 today, if you had to do it all over again?

[@citizenresponse]

Acroids on suicide watch

[@josh885]

From all reports I've seen and heard from people who have more experience with ACROs than just the one they bought, they seem to have a lot of QC issues. Plus they are huge. For ccw they are too big and a waste of money. IMO the only enclosed emitter red dots that are a reasonable size for ccw are the EPS/SCS Carry. But the fogging issue is why I went open emitter. You can always at least wipe the lens on both sides and see through it ro use irons. Since there is no way to immediately remove a red dot from a pistol maintaining the optical path for the irons is more important to me than the tiny chance a rain drop or speck of dust blocks the emitter since I can use irons in that case. If the inside surface of an enclosed lens fogs, your have nothing but point shooting.

[@annley]

I really wanted to love the acro

[@paulsciria8921]

I like mine

[@John-Wick321]

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[@NBX202]

Did you notice a difference in speed or target acquisition when using the Acro compared to other red dots?

[@carlb86]

Acro seems to be for those priorize enclosed emitter

[@joquin4618]

Spicy content! At least I don’t feel bad for my Holosun 507 & 508t purchased for much less than an ACRO

[@frogchaser]

sooo... what would you consider to be premium?

[@K-bob_45]

The acro is definitely not made by our arch nemesis in a sweat shop with suicide nets so there is that to consider

[@turnermd1302]

It's not built in China but it's built using components from China so it's not all that better, at the end of the day I don't care where it's made as long as they stop marking everything up so much, it doesn't cost them 600+ shekels to manufacture an ACRO

[@garand1911]

Not premium, is this why certain govt agencies are adopting them ?

[@user-og3jh3lm5k]

they are not adopting them Glock is selling 45 MOS7 models with P2's (red label) on rooftop defense.

[@dropmeA]

Have an ACRO, kind of fell into one. It's fine, I prefer my SRO and 507C more. It's a smaller T2 and has the same benefits and risks associated with the T2.

[@user-og3jh3lm5k]

it has nothing to do with a t2.

[@rl2862]

Great video, this is true and observed in practice

[@annley]

I’m betting on the rcr being the "premium" option, waiting to see some long term reviews before pulling the trigger

[@TacticalStrudel]

The form factor is out of 2005. It’s unacceptable. Holosun SCS is my favorite form factor. No plates, low enough to work with standard irons, that’s how they should be at this stage of the game.

[@boriskogan7837]

I do not wear cologne

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I used to wear colonege in my 20s 30s but as I got older most scents drift, wear off after 30min 40min.

[@jordansu1632]

Good take! Love the video. Whoever your friend is sounds like a typical aimpoint owner XD

[@drodv12]

Ben gotta ask, Are slow motion reps still valuable? I noticed in some of your very first videos you incorporate slow motion reps for draws and reloads. In a lot of your recent videos talking about speed of shooting you mention how the qual mindset of “slow down and get your hits” can be detrimental to shooter development because you’re not pushing yourself, just teaching yourself to miss slower. Using just one example; am I hurting myself or wasting time by doing 40 slow motion reloads (say about 50-60 percent of full speed) and then trying to hit my desired par time with another 40? Curious what you think.

[@M1911jln]

I'm surprised at the ACRO has had reliability problems.

[@BA-oy9uo]

The issues with the M9 in military service had a lot to do with improper 3rd party parts that the military used.

[@ShootingSportsandAccesso-sd9li]

Had a lot more to do with the military not doing basic maintenance and upkeep than "improper third party parts."

[@justinjung1631]

Mine had sealing issues within 1000 rounds. Had to send it back to the factory. They sent me a new one but my faith is a little shaken.

[@hez2k]

TBH I run the Steiner MPS and I think it’s way better. I have both the acro.p2. I bought it cause it was the hot thing on the interwebs. But using both I def prefer the Steiner. Cheaper too and smaller foot print. Although the acro does look real good on a Glock slide. Aesthetically it fits the profile of the slide. It’s hard to deny the fashion involved in the gun world.

[@Tal469]

steiner is amazing only issue with it is the non existent shakeawake and yeah the acro looks great on glocks I assume thats one of the reason the hype is so great on those optics and while trying to meet demand aimpoint is neglecting their QC at least thats my head canon

[@kelshotss]

@@Tal469a lot of glocks come acro cut for example the Glock 45

[@onpsxmember]

Not a lot of daytime brightness settings. Both the mps and the acro p2 are on the heavy side with 58-61 g.

[@Dukenukem777]

Videos like this are incredibly frustrating. Eotechs suck bc delamin, LPVOs suck bc not true 1x. Holisun suck bc Chinesium. Sig suck bc Sig. If everything is crap, what do people use????

[@RT81775]

Aimpoint T2 is the only sight I’ve ever seen get pretty much universal praise. They did something right with that one and there’s a reason why it’s the standard. Even the CompM4 and M5 have silly quirks (the M5 with the lower battery compartment doesn’t use T2 mounts while the more fragile higher compartment version does, for example). As for pistols… you’re putting electronics on the reciprocating slide of a pistol. Don’t expect anything to last forever with that type of abuse. I doubt that will ever change. Get what you can afford that has a warranty and train with it.