Glock Performance Trigger Lets Me Down

[@brianz5579]

What I got was Ben Stoeger doesn't like lube. He likes to go in dry.

[@evans9748]

I mean, you said yourself that it’s designed as a competition use trigger yet you expect to treat it like a regular duty use trigger that doesn’t need maintenance. A couple drops of lube every 1k rounds is extremely low maintenance.

[@felixdewinter3484]

Finally somebody says it. He’s basically butt hurt because he failed to follow the instructions that came with the gun and do basic preventative maintenance checks and services. As much as I respect this guys shooting ability and the content he’s putting out, this is a bad take. For once, its actually him, not the equipment like he’s pointing it out to be.

[@kenwickes2497]

@@felixdewinter3484 Gotta say that for competition, if I have to maintain any part of my gun every 1-2k rounds, I'm getting a different gun or part. That is like 2 practice sessions. This is not an open gun. I'd consider it a fail even under "Ben I don't clean my guns" conditions. EDIT: especially with a Glock platform. Those things are supposed to be bullet proof and take a beating more than most.

[@felixdewinter3484]

@@kenwickes2497 who cares about how many practice sessions one does. The discipline and the standard should be you clean your equipment after it’s use. Now, how clean you want to get it after every practice session is up for discussion, think field cleaning vs garrison cleaning in the military, but the fact the man didn’t even follow the simple instructions of dropping a small amount of lube into the spots on the trigger is embarrassing and ultimately is a bad take on an OEM part. He was told by the instructions what to do and he didn’t do it and now he’s butt hurt about it. And let’s be honest, what he was asked to do was not much, he just didn’t do it and is complaining about it. That’s a bad take.

[@kenwickes2497]

@@felixdewinter3484 Ask the pro sport shooters how often they clean their guns. You are flat out wrong. Your standard is your standard. Oiling one thing after 1-2k rounds tells me the part is cheap or running on the "verge of reliability" You believe whatever makes you happy buddy.

[@evans9748]

@@kenwickes2497 out of curiosity, is a 2011 considered cheap since you have to clean and lube it well before 2k rounds go through it? How long does it take to put 4 drops of lube on? 10 seconds including the time to take off the slide? I mean, if the stock trigger is so great because you never have to clean it then why even look at a different trigger that’s supposed to increase performance? I equate it to cars, you can have a car that’ll run forever with no maintenance but as soon as you start swapping high performance parts on even the most reliable car, you expect more maintenance to be required.

[@NDcompetitiveshooter]

I finally switched to the Gen 5 Glock. I got a Glock performance trigger with the Johnny Glock Vex trigger shoe upgrade and it is, by far, the single best upgrade I've ever tried for a Glock. I suppose I'll need to lubricate it according to the instructions to keep it reliable, but I think the performance upgrade is well worth it for me personally.

[@cin426]

It only takes about 4 mins total to take out the trigger and reassemble. Just put a drop of oil on the connector where it makes contact on the trigger bar periodically.

[@gideonschlen4022]

Sounds more likely they originally intended to ship with a PVD coating (like DLC or Titanium Nitride). But that's an expensive process and some accountant worked out they could increase their profit margin substantially. Then their marketing guys came out with this spin about how "it's better for competition without the coating"

[@AdamJohnson-dr2ri]

Overwatch precision trigger shoe(flat or curved) with np3 coated stock trigger bar and safety plunger is the best I’ve tried so far. Also owned and operated by ex and active US military

[@thebronzetoo]

That's what I use on all mine.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Thats what im using as well.

[@cetaceanconcepts]

The primary reason the GPT will not reset when dirty is because it is no longer using the full powered striker spring to reset, but instead a smaller spring in the trigger housing. Ben will probably not go this route but for anyone else with a glock performance trigger that wants to get a little longer between lubings and take some weight off the pull: polish every surface the instruction manual says to oil. The lack of a non slip coating means that the parts take a 30k polish very easily. Combined with a decent thicker lubricant like gun butter or blue gun lube you can get pretty far between applications, just add a drop or two of oil when you feel a little grit in the trigger.

[@thickseed]

"longer between lubings"

[@olliesarmsandammo]

I polish and put a dab of moly on it and they run great, but I usually clean my Glocks every 500 rounds.

[@BeauBrewer5.56]

My buddy has his Glock performance trigger in his 19X for some time now and same thing happened to his. It’s not just a dirty thing because you can put the gun in the ultrasonic cleaner and take it out nice and clean but if you don’t lube the trigger it will not work even in the first couple magazines.

[@walterwilliams1791]

So it doesn't work right when you don't follow the instructions, noted.

[@Jay-od7uj]

It's not the point. Many other triggers like overwatch precision don't require the trigger to be luved

[@HKGunPlay]

Use Johnny Glock vex shoe for timney trigger. Has reset spring in shoe. I love mine but it has a few extra mods

[@allandunaway4573]

Overwatch precision trigger of your preference, np3 OEM trigger bar, connector (+/- your preference), and np3 safety plunger has been the most reliable best feeling combo I have found. Everything but the trigger shoe remains OEM and all safeties remain intact.

[@petejordan9588]

Mine does the same it's junk. Right out of the box the trigger safety tab needs a little fitting. Then after 2000 rounds it started to fail resetting. I clean my gun regularly and still happens I found you need to remove trigger completely and deep clean and will work again for a short while. I scraped it and put in a overwatch dat shoe with all stock Glock parts.

[@XxCrankyMoosexX]

I also didn’t know about “needing to lube” the trigger. I’m several thousand rounds into using it and I haven’t had issues yet. I’ve probably re-oiled the gun once in the last 5k rounds.

[@terrytolentino5459]

I used the upgraded performance trigger for 700 rounds, went back to stock and hadn't noticed any difference. But never had an issue with the upgraded trigger.

[@range.therapist]

I put the shoe from my Apex trigger on it and it was perfect. The stock glock performance trigger would bind if I didn't get my trigger finger places perfectly. After that it's been fine. Even when I go several thousand rounds without cleaning it.

[@Osprey1994]

You might want to specify how you are shooting. Ben is an instructor and a competitor and that means he shoots way more than most of us.

[@lon242]

I didn't know you could change out the shoe, good to know

[@range.therapist]

@@lon242 yeah, it mounts to the bar like the regular glock triggers

[@HKGunPlay]

Best shoe is Johnny Glocks vex shoe for timney trigger. It has reset spring built in shoe. That’s what I use plus a few extra mods

[@jeffjones7427]

“In trade, you have to lubricate it”. Even if you shoot 15,000 rounds a year through one system( which is low), is it to much to ask to put a few drops of lube on the connector. It can be done without removing the slide. Asking for a homie.

[@a.stylez5857]

Sorry to hear about your experience but I had that trigger and it was fantastic and reliable. Had over a thousand rounds on it with no issues

[@rolotomase1440]

Sounds like if Glock is saying lube it for proper performance you can't really complain if you didn't lube it and didn't get the performance you were hoping for. It's no problem if you don't want to lube, just use the stock parts.

[@jonathandebona8934]

yeah, but other brands of trigger dont require it. at his level of shooting he probably shoots that much every range session. so it would mean cleaning it after almost every range trip. which isnt much of an issue until you realize theres loads of competing options that arent maintenance queens

[@LiorIPSC]

As a lefty i have a different problem. In my Gen5 Glocks the GPT trigger bar rubs on the slide release. This causes issues when my right support hand presses against the swelling frame. Either locking the slide open or having potential to jam the trigger at reset due to trigger bar-slide-release-frame friction.

[@mkozek5753]

dude I'm having this exact issue, lefty shooting gen5 glock 19, never had 1 misfire in 8 years...put a GPT in and had 5 malfunctions in 100 rounds. looks like the frame bulge is a big factor

[@LiorIPSC]

@@mkozek5753 Remedied this by changing my grip - more frontstrap-backstrap pressure and not too much on the side panels. Gun is happy.

[@TheNapalmFTW]

My gpt went a little goofy until i stripped it and lubed it. I may take mine back out I haven't decided yet.

[@johnjaguar89]

When i had reset problems my trigger pin was actually broken. Something to check

[@GSUnit21]

That’s why the best gun has to be the stock g45 TALO edition. Acro mounted to the slide from the factory with the higher suppress sites and don’t have to touch anything for reliability!!!

[@pcs3576]

Mine from the factory would not reset in several of my factory sprung Glocks...the trigger safety dingus hangs up on the frame slapped an overwatch shoe on and still have the same problem... unimpressed and unfortunate.

[@narr0wm1nd49]

You have someone else put on your grip tape? WTH is going on.

[@kgroth]

I moved the Apex trigger shoe to my Glock Performance Trigger and it's been good for at least 2-3000 rounds so far. Maybe that works better... ? I also didn't like the show that much so this might fix two issues....?

[@Joshua-1986]

I had to lube mine when I got it it locked up took forever to get it to reset the trigger reset and get gun apart to lube

[@coreyeason6841]

Is there a reliable aftermarket Glock trigger that you would trust your life too?

[@stephenriddick4592]

have you tried Johnny glock triggers they seem to be the top of the range in any glock setup

[@MrZola1234]

Isn't it pretty standard that as you increase performance you increase the need for regular maintenance?

[@tejascustoms292]

For a $100 part I'm surprised they wouldn't at least do a nickel boron coating. Very cost effective at scale.

[@russdennis7026]

I installed a 5.5 lbs connector and the vex shoe on the GPT and gives me a better wall and around 4.5 lb trigger pull. I like it. And I use some Slip 2000 grease where the connector and Trigger bar meet and haven't had any reset issues for me. I've been applying every 500 to 600 rounds, and in my Glock Armorers class he did say there was a bit more maintenance involved with this trigger.

[@CCW1911]

He's too busy and important to have to lube a high performance trigger.

[@russdennis7026]

Well maybe so. But I do me. And I really like the trigger. @@CCW1911

[@micfasto8700]

The Vex trigger shoe really does finish off this trigger nicely.

[@InkwellFoto]

I have the 3 of the Johnny Glock GPT Vex triggers. All 3 are defensive setup. I absolutely love them.

[@gbaby1133]

Finally an honest perspective from a person who actually shoots 🙏🏻

[@ilm-def8920]

The GPT V2 is very much improved. Unlike the V1, the V2's reset is more positive, on par with the standard OEM trigger.

[@Hyasuma_Pew]

Tried it, long reset, have trigger and did not like it. I run the stock trigger with taran tactical master kit, which is what i ran for many years

[@Ayoder89]

I'm on my third performance trigger. I love the feel of them but I don't know if I'm going to get another one after this!! Same thing is happening to mine.

[@savagesweat]

That's great feedback on your findings. Thanks!

[@joshuabroo]

Dope video. much appreciated. Subscribed.

[@juxmatic2288]

I have had Timney’s and GPT and now have settled on Tactical trigger and like it better than both.

[@N6578h]

I’m happy with the trigger. I’ll never use it for carry or for any other purpose than training and competitions. I don’t might taking it apart to clean it. It is quite a let down that it doesn’t hold up for extended shooting though

[@tonygutierrez4814]

😮 thank you for sharing

[@mabutarif]

Have you tried the overmatch Precision triggers? They use Glock internals and charge the shoe (flat crisper and more consistent pull and I lost zero reliability, albeit I don’t shoot anywhere near what you shoot)

[@EuropaChronicles]

Make sure you personally test the Drop Safety with that trigger. I know they say that it’s drop safe, but I tested 2 of their triggers a few years ago and both failed the drop safety test.

[@vaughnsadekni665]

​@@EuropaChroniclesCould you please elaborate? Just curious how you tested them. Thanks!

[@williamhitchcock5520]

If the GPT needs to be lubed every 1k to 2k rounds, in order for it to be reliable and you don’t lube it that’s not the guns fault. That’s user error. Not saying Ben is wrong here. That’s just the trigger itself. I have a GPT in my G45 and 100% know/understand what Ben is saying. Sucks you have to do that but it is made for the competition world. Not “duty” world.

[@stevenj1722]

Do you remove the trigger every 1k rounds to lube it or just pour a couple drops from above with the trigger still installed in the gun?

[@FishFind3000]

Idk, your logic doesn’t make much sense. Glock says lube it for it to function, you don’t lube it. It stops working… you blame Glock? They said what you needed to do and you disregarded that and have issues but it’s their fault somehow?

[@jacobpetersen5662]

Exactly. WTF man. It's a joke.

[@somebrains5431]

But it’s a Honda. You never have to change the oil. Then my Honda broken down after 130k miles with a dry motor. I’m pissed. Honda told me to change the oil at a certain interval but the internet said I didn’t have to. I’ll go with not the Honda manual then cry about it.

[@jonathandebona8934]

Glock has nothing to offer over its competitors except reliability. All of its main competitors triggers do not require this level of maintenance and oiling and still have better triggers. My friend has this trigger in his glock and while its better than a factory g17 trigger it honestly still is awful compared to a walther or sig, or canik, or m&p. none of those triggers need to be oiled every 1000 rounds to prevent stoppages.

[@drewmorg.]

@@jonathandebona8934 You're right because all of those guns you mentioned will fail to feed much before 1000 rounds of non cleaning. Glocks keep eating though.

[@tropicalpines4585]

I don’t think you’re without warrant for expecting a Glock trigger to last a long time without needing maintenance, because that’s sort of the standard… BUT, I work with engines that run full load 24/7 and they need constant maintenance. It’s normal to have maintenance intervals for anything mechanical that you use heavily. That said, maybe Glock should work on living up to customer expectations since they’ve set the bar for reliability in the past.

[@mitchimuus]

Ram tactical leveraged trigger is fantastic. Worth a look.

[@chrisdiceart]

Be interested to see what you go to... For me, I guess I could live with hitting it with some compressed air and lube every few hundred rounds. I have an "older" trigger from one of the trigger mod shops and it DOUBLES every once in a while... Doesn't seem like there is anything "better" out there than the Glock or Timney?

[@GT-tg4fv]

that's nice to know I'll stick to my 5.5 pound stock trigger😂 thanks cheers🍻

[@markcromeyer1652]

Ben your awesome putting real gear through the test I would like to think of my g45 as a SHTF gun but now I’m gonna have put some testing to that performance trigger maybe just put the original back in I don’t know but if you come up with a better option please let us know

[@zen-Tii]

With Glocks one is always trying to improve on “Perfection.”😆

[@jcb2920]

Prolix. Quick, light, clean, dry, no residue.

[@mackies9151]

The Timney alpha is been 100% in my Shadow Systems DR 920 even with CCI primers and heavy return spring.

[@jackwicker]

Same I think I've had like one or two failures to fire in 10k rounds with this setup. Using the heavy return spring and the Johnny Glocks shoe.

[@Silentskip001]

Damn was about to pull the trigger (no pun intended) on one of these.

[@cletusmax77]

Conclusion: you’re too lazy to maintain the gun. End of story.

[@kenforbus1]

I have experienced the same thing on a G47. It was at about 1000 rounds with no cleaning, after ckeaning it all was good.

[@thebronzetoo]

Just the G47 itself or using the Glock Performance Trigger in the G47?

[@kenforbus1]

@@thebronzetoo the trigger. I have one in the 47, a 17, and a 19 and they all do the same thing. It's no big deal to me I just clean my guns once in awhile.

[@thebronzetoo]

@@kenforbus1how do you like the 47? My EDC is a 17, but I want a 47.

[@kenforbus1]

@@thebronzetoo it's a Glock lol

[@thebronzetoo]

@@kenforbus1 👍

[@jimdavis9275]

I love my Timney Alpha in my G34

[@kevinjohnson3925]

Try the RAMM tactical kit for it. It's amazing.

[@Osprey1994]

I think people miss something important. Ben doesn't mind a bit of an edge, but if it costs him reliability, he doesn't care. Combine that with the fact that most skilled shooters will shoot a stock Glock without issue, someone like Ben doesn't need a mind blowing trigger in a Glock. He needs a gun that just fucking runs and runs and runs. He has other fancy race guns if he wants to mess with a trigger that isn't a Glock trigger.

[@jeffjones7427]

Wrong. Ben, your logic is flawed and unfair to Glock. Despite you having it on good authority that “the trigger was good to go”. Glock says that it needs lubrication as you stated. To parallel what you said, you try this. From this point forward, all the vehicles you drive…do zero maintenance for 3 years and tell me how they perform. Same line of thinking mate. Love your books. Jeff

[@jonathandebona8934]

I bet he shoots a thousand rounds every range session. If he has other options that dont need to be cleaned that often then why would he use a trigger that honestly still isnt even that good when it requires more maintenance than everything else he owns? I own a walther pdp that i oiled once and then didnt oil again for 10k rounds. why would i choose to move to a product that performs worse? If your car leaked oil and you had to top off the oil every day before you drove it would that be a problem? Its a problem for ben because he has alternatives that perform better.

[@jeffjones7427]

@@jonathandebona8934 whoah whoa. How’d you know that my car burns oil, technically doesn’t leak. But I put 3 quarts in every 45 days. It’s cheaper to do this than get a new or used car. In my opinion, you missed my point fam. My point is this. Look at your Glock slide (shooters perspective) and note the cutout at the bottom right. Put a drop in there after a range session. I use Lucas gun oil. Syringe style applicator. Very time efficient.

[@jeffjones7427]

@@jonathandebona8934 And truthfully; opening the car door, popping the hood, checking the dipstick, adding oil, confirming levels, closing the hood is not cool. If I did that every day as you suggest, I wouldn’t want the car. A Glock trigger bar/connector can be lubed as fast a reload. I disagree.

[@jonathandebona8934]

@@jeffjones7427 the glock performance trigger isn't even a good trigger, it still feels like a glock trigger. And it reduces reliability. Why not use any other aftermarket trigger that doesn't need oil every 1k rounds? That won't even last a whole day of shooting for someone like Ben.

[@Donjuan51]

Just clean the damned guns man

[@jacobpetersen5662]

Bingo! It's joke to complain that after 2000+ rounds it gets gritty, ha ha ha. Maintenance your damn guns dude!

[@WildBillShooting]

Love mine with the Ghost 3.0 unit and have had no issues, but I clean my guns. My favorite trigger I have used in a pistol.

[@RevGunn-jq3cq]

1 drop of oi!, big deal

[@magicd5780]

Guess I'm taking mine out now😢. I'm a shtf scenerio you're definitely not gonna be cleaning your gun often .

[@InkwellFoto]

Bro, you kind of played yourself. You're essentially saying that i dont clean my guns or put oil in them, and that's why the trigger isn't for you. Thats the ultimate lazy statement from a shooter.

[@chrisma1976]

I imagine Ben puts 5k rounds through a Glock over the course of six weeks. Clean your guns dude. 😂

[@NDcompetitiveshooter]

He ain't about that life though

[@robertoortiz85]

It only takes couple minutes to clean your glock!!! Stop being lazy and clean your glocks every 500-1000 rounds

[@DocHudson420]

There’s no need.

[@nolagospeltracts8264]

That's a little extreme.

[@lelwil2]

Which Glocks are these, 17, 34, 47, etc?

[@seanbrando_7456]

Try the agency syndicate trigger brother.......factory connector/bar and its just a SUPER smoothed out OEM feeling. Mines in a gen 5 19. It's flat/polymer, and most people miss the point of them. It is like a way better stock trigger but flat and smooth. NO reliability loss. I'm on 1600-1700 rounds since I swapped an Apex that was pinching me a little and I LOVE it. No matter what people say about agency, I could care less I just run my guns and don't follow trends. I tried it because it was cheap and used a factory polished bar, and my Gen 5 has never been better. Not to light, smooth, perfect reliability and no "lubing" B.S.

[@unityistheonlysolution3485]

I wouldn’t recommend ‘not’ cleaning your gun. I’m not saying clean every bit of gunk out of your gun every time that you shoot, but at least clean the bore & chamber, and add a drop of oil to the bore, rails & locking block after shooting. Doing this literally takes about 7 minutes, and is worth it. The longer you let it go, the harder it will be once you do decide to clean it. Not cleaning your guns is downright lazy and not very smart. Who knows …. maybe your trigger will as you said ‘gum up’ when you need it in a self defense situation? That would be bad, eh? - Jason/Freedom Fighter Until Death/Vermont, FRA (‘FRA’, meaning “The Failed Republic Of America”)

[@thebronzetoo]

Good info, Ben. I was going to get one since they're on sale right now ($70 from Glock), but after watching this, no thanks. I'm not about that life, either.

[@jeffcouncilor6621]

Haha

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Lay some knowledge on me.

[@mariotorano3781]

I don’t think you should be running your guns to the point where they are soo dirty that you can no longer properly diagnose malfunctions. I would say put 500rnds on any firearm then clean them a up a little bit or else you are going to be chalking up malfunctions as”Oh it’s dirty” and then you have no idea wth is going on with it . Would u drive your car around and see how long it can go without an oil change? and then say it’s not very good when it takes a shit? Tools/equipment require some kind of maintenance to work properly and that’s the way it is

[@jonathandebona8934]

cleaning a glock every 500 rounds is like changing your oil every week. I shoot 1k rounds every time i go to the range, i bet ben shoots 50x what i do in a year

[@buddysumner4022]

🤣🤣 glock can sale it’s fanboys anything