Electric Car Explosions Worldwide

[@StacheDTraining]

Since it's a prevalent comment: An internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle fire is typically 5 minutes of firefighting that takes 200 gallons of water (THEY DO NOT EXPLODE). They are a bread & butter fire that are typically low risk and easy to deal with. EV fires/failures have a number of concerning issues that we DO NOT see in ICE vehicle fires. My content is to make firefighters aware of the issues they may deal with. I talk about the number of ICE vehicle fires vs EV fires here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpC2oXusd8utqNk

[@neubauerjoseph]

So what does NFPA say about this ?

[@CosmicSeeker69]

​@@neubauerjosephNFPA will tow the official narrative on these situations.....that's exactly what happened when the MV Fremantle Highway burned uncontrollably for a week. The world was told that there were only 49 EV self combusting fire crackers on board - and, that were all driven off the ship at dock. Truth was: there were 250 of them and independent live video recorded one large blackened Merc being craned off and straight into a bright orange skip where it was dowsed with a huge hose and covered with a heavy tarp - by four guys in HAZMAT suits.

[@calamfischer7009]

Are there many teslas spontaneously combusting? Or just ev's from brands that stand to lose billions if ev's get even more popular?

[@brushlessmotoring]

You have to restate the numbers every single time, otherwise the chuckleheads in the comments get the wrong end of the stick, and start spouting anti EV conspiracies about control or 15 minute cities or some such nonsense. It's also worth noting the time delay you get from a thermal runaway event starting (smoke, hissing) to the fire, assuming you are able to leave the vehicle, you tend to be able to get out of an EV long before it catches fire, even if it's going to.

[@trentreimer130]

👍 Good stuff. It's better to raise practical awareness than to be triggered. Back in the day ICE fires were considerably worse than horse explosions, but despite the hazards, and despite the haters, ICE use kept increasing until it became standard. And because it is simply how things are done now, we have learned to deal with ICE hazards on all levels, not just in terms of firefighting but also in terms of improved vehicle engineering. People may still be injured or perish in vehicle fires, but things have improved noticably since the Ford Pinto days. Things will improve for EVs as well, but only if we tackle the issues head on, with our eyes fully open.

[@dr_jaymz]

I had a 3.7V lithium battery explode on charge. It was a tiny cell about half the size of a match box and that fireball was devastatingly huge 6ft in all directions, destroyed my wall, table and the flooring - had we not been in the house at the time, I probably would have lost the house. That showed me just how much flammable gas and oxygen a single cell of perhaps just 1 cubic cm can produce. Even a small hybrid vehicle battery is thousands of times that size. Its quite frightening. Flammable liquids are obviously dangerous, but at least you can cut of their oxygen supply, the lithium cell once critical is really unstoppable until its consumed all of its content.

[@StacheDTraining]

It is significant. A single 18650 cell can release 6 liters of gas.

[@michaelthomas7898]

What type of gas?@@StacheDTraining

[@StacheDTraining]

@michaelthomas7898 about 20% hydrogen and a bunch of other flammable gasses.

[@chrismechanic2000]

i use li-po batterys for rc cars and heli's, i have a few 6 cell brick 22v 5000mah for my biggest heli, i never keep/ charge them in the house they are way to dangerous, it can easily produce 500 amps in burst's, you want to see one of them go up 0.0, i keep them in the garden in an old metal ammo box. ive never had a fire while charging, only in a crash situation where the pack gets damaged and punctured.

[@frankcastle2045]

​@@chrismechanic2000me too also in my Airsoft rifles one puffed up and then burst into flames it was insane

[@adrianharrison5208]

This is something that really needs to be talked about, it's just something that firefighters should not have to deal with

[@stickyfox]

Commuting is a huge blight on the globe that causes cancer, respiratory diseases, accident injuries, and all kinds of headaches that noone should have to deal with. Most people who have to use cars and roads to get to work could do some or all of their work from home.. but it would be a disaster to the trillions of dollars in industry based around making a buck off of people trying to get to work. Firefighters would have the time to train for and deal with EV fires if they weren't stretched past their capacity dealing with all the other vehicle fires.

[@michaeldelio1870]

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[@lcarus42]

They outlawed fireworks in most states because it could cause harm to unknown firemen when called to house fires. I see no reason not to ban these batteries as well.

[@Benji_The_Ghoul]

​@@michaeldelio1870your comment is a comment of all time.

[@michaeldelio1870]

@@Benji_The_Ghoul thanks man, I feel so smart now.

[@Deribinkle]

I’m an exempt volunteer firefighter, thank you for sharing this information! I certainly hope that anyone considering one of these sees this and changes their mind.

[@garbinator09]

you should be proud you serve your community in such a way. I’m most proud of you 👍🏼. Not everything we do involves money 💰. I’m 68. I know about these things. lol 😆

[@Deribinkle]

Thank you Gary, it was one of the best choices I ever made. I’m 66, not far behind you👍🏻@@garbinator09

[@mdog6726]

@@garbinator09you’re old but far from wise. Lmfao

[@kasomoru6]

Lithium and water do not mix

[@PruneHub]

@@kasomoru6 But they do make pretty colors.

[@themightywookie351c3]

Imagine driving 75 mph down the road and suddenly the cabin fills with toxic and flammable gas. Scary stuff

[@SC-ym5zu]

Like it was said in the video, having the batteries inside the passenger compartment is a bad idea...

[@joefish6091]

Only scary for maybe thirty seconds... then nothing.

[@Abayas.]

I'm all for EV tech, but... in the event of a crash, if the barrier between battery cells is breached, you're basically driving a bomb. (Sorry for the necro comment.)

[@thomasscholz774]

Sorry im many Cars Ar Airbags and These are Van Explosion

[@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul]

Yeah and all the doors lock around you ... and you cant get out.

[@timhicks2154]

I worked at a local waste & recycling centre. One small lithium battery got crushed in the waste compactor. 6ft flames, then a fire spread into the container. We were shut for 1/2 a day with the Fire Brigade in attendance.

[@lucasrem]

He develops them. Small lithium packs cached Jumbo jets, be shure it's all out before you guy press metal frames. The Press was broken ?

[@SVEVelsen]

And is that because of the battery, or because the facility is operated by a bunch of zero-skill idiots who toss everything into a compactor without looking? 😆 Strange that you don't complain about gas canisters and tanks of nitrous oxide, given as those explode violently when burned or compressed.

[@joycepino5346]

@@SVEVelsenYou are wrong.

[@JackFrost008]

@@SVEVelsen gas canisters and nitox tanks are easy to see because they are big. not a two inch long battery that could be under or inside something else.

[@deborahthomas4033]

​@SVEVelsen calm down Elon, it'll be ok!

[@FransceneJK98]

EV stands for explosive vehicle 😂

[@suzie-OO7]

The CAT 994H burns 1,800 gals of fuel in a 12 hr. shift. This machine is required to move 500,000 lbs of earth in order to get the minerals needed for ONE SINGLE Tesla car battery. In whose world does this type of math and green new deal make sense?

[@wackyp]

You changed my world today. 😂

[@thefactis2022]

😂😂😂

[@JackFrost008]

Yup

[@haroldsfishingadventures754]

@@suzie-OO7 a world controlled by serpent humanoids

[@Roddy451]

I work at industrial sites and a vapor cloud looking for an ignition source is one of those things we fear the most. A very informative video indeed.

[@EVUK-bd2vn]

You talk about a vapour cloud yet fail to mention one of the most dangerous and common examples - petrol/gasoline vapour!! Why am I not surprised it slipped your memory? Paul G

[@Critical_Stinking]

Tell me about it... I'm constantly dodging clouds of petrol.. They're everywhere, these days.

[@pb6198]

​@@EVUK-bd2vnpetrol doesn't vaporize at normal temperature 🤦

[@brainndamage]

@@EVUK-bd2vn gasoline doesn't violently and spontaneously vaporize like the electrolyte in batteries does. It will slowly vaporize, yes, but that's why most cars have gas tanks on the outside so the vapor can dissipate into the surrounding air and so it's diluted. The dilution rate is higher than the vaporization rate so an explosive mixture won't form. Unless it's a leaking fuel like under pressure which will vaporize an explosive mixture of gas, but the leak will stop once power to the fuel pump is shut down, like by turning off the ignition. Only if the gas tank is inside the cabin an explosive mixture can form, but I think they stopped making cars like that in the previous century.

[@andyman8630]

the ignition sauce was already present and the 'fuel' was also present - what it lacked was an oxidiser! smashing the windows provided that

[@stephenvelden295]

Driving around sitting on top of a pile of Lithium Ion Batteries is sheer madness!

[@roadrunnerfirebird]

With a gastank, full of high inflameabel fluid und a hot engiene, thats no Problem for you? By the way, go with lfp cell's and be happy .

[@stephenvelden295]

It's not a problem because a gas tank usually will not rupture, even in a serious accident. And it only the fuel vapour that is explosive. Plus the fuel needs Oxygen to burn. Lithium Ion batteries create their own Oxygen when burning so they are extremely difficult to extinguish. Plus they burn much hotter than Gasoline or Diesel.

[@zenithperigee7442]

@@roadrunnerfirebird , have you paid attention to the space agencies?! Do you suppose they could've sent the rockets/Shuttles into space without using flammable/explosive fuels?! Could they send them without oxygen, after all fires don't burn in the absence of oxygen which is what killed Apollo 1 Astronauts on the test platform. The fact is we've been operating gas/diesel/kerosene vehicles be them cars, trucks, trains, planes or ships for DECADES to the tune of BILLIONS across the planet & except for instances of "negligence" on the part of manufacturers & sometimes owners/operators, the vehicles do not have a habit of bursting into flames. The U.S. alone had over 290 MILLION vehicle registrations in 2023, of that number around 2.4 MILLION were AE-V's according to Pew Research. Some of the first AE-V's I remember "spontaneously combusting" were Chevy Volts used in crash tests. They put the vehicles outside and the coolant used to cool the battery corroded the terminals and the vehicles went up in flames. 9 months ago a Ford Lightning on charge in a lot with others suddenly erupted in flames and took the others with it. No explanation given. We also know that water/salt water can cause AE-V's to erupt in flames due to corrosion/short-circuit, it's why they tell people to keep flooded AE-V's out of garages/away from other objects. Before all of this we had lithium-powered cell phones and laptops where batteries were suddenly exploding/flaming up with the phones in people's pockets etc., laptops in the cargo holds of planes.... It's a known RISK even as much as it is for a fire/explosion with hydrogen sulfide gas when charging a standard vehicle battery if you overcharge it which MOST people do not and those chargers tend to be low amperage with integrated overcharge/overheating protection.

[@roadrunnerfirebird]

@@stephenvelden295 So wrong....🫢

[@karlmin8471]

​@@roadrunnerfirebird Synthetic Fuel is better. Better than both gastank and battery.

[@FotoMatanda]

I feel sorry for firefighters. They fight fires with water to cool down the batteries. But the devilish EVs can be shooting out flames while completely submerged in water. What a tough job!!!!

[@lo1234-w9r]

That's crazy train they are right up on it trying to put the fire out. I'd stay at least 30 feet away

[@yodaiam1000]

PHEV cars are the most risky. He does a poor job in making this clear. BEV cars cars catch on fire far less often than ICE. EVs with LFP batteries are also much safer than the cars he is talking about and many manufacturers are switching to LFP chemistry.

[@barnbuild27]

Putting water on lithium metal is dangerous.

[@yodaiam1000]

@@barnbuild27 It is not dangerous to put water on Li-ion battery. It does take a lot more water to put out a Li ion battery fire with MNC chemistries. The overall risk from BEV cars appears to be less than ICE. LFP battery chemistry appears to be a lot safer than MNC chemistries.

[@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073]

​@@yodaiam1000take a li-ion battery from its case and just spray water on it and see if it's not dangerous..🤡.

[@barebowhunter1850]

I’ve been making firefighter turnout gear for the past sixteen years. I get a lot of feedback from EMS folks about vehicle fires. They all say that there’s nothing more toxic than an EV fire!

[@GeorgeJefferson-h7w]

A battery powered car fire is like the smokiest thing I've ever seen. It can only compare to a volcano but neither can be stopped and I think the battery fire has darker nastier smoke.

[@jano2526]

Thank you for speaking the truth amongst people who angrily believe the agenda

[@thebrowns5337]

Think you're oversimplyfying a bit there. But yes, speaking the truth is always best.

[@christopherallen9476]

Thank you for thinking that vehicles are the main concern, and not the ways we produce electricity.

[@PruneHub]

@@christopherallen9476 No, the main concern is gullible people who believe humans can destroy the planet. I'd quote George Carlin but YT doesn't like certain words.

[@Teenagegoogoomuk]

I was gonna ask him if he had is safety glasses on while at work? But he already answered the question,

[@chuckandjenbridges721]

You keep on teaching, I'll keep learning. I'm not a firefighter, just a retired tech, but I appreciate people that share their knowledge with others.

[@Danvie777]

I noticed with the incident of the blue car with the back hatch open, that even with the hatch open, the doors were blown open during the explosion.

[@TheVicar]

Its because there's other semi contained areas within the vehicle So for example the space behind the dashboard, despite not being sealed off and not a completely separate area to the rest of the inside of the car, will partially contain its own detonation compared to the rest of the ignition area in the open space within the car. Hence a smaller explosion will occur

[@utoob7361]

What can you do when the government promotes what should be outlawed?

[@Brian-om2hh]

During 2022, the NTSB recorded around 190'000 ICE car fires in the US, so should ICE cars be outlawed too?

[@AlanWilliams-su4bs]

So you want mobile phones and laptops plus cameras banned?

[@brianklamer3328]

Just don't purchase them!

[@curryvictim1697]

Find the humor in it.

[@utoob7361]

@@Anomoomin exactly - thousands of cells in an EV battery pack, and it only takes one to set off a chain reaction. I believe the engineering term for this is "COMPLETELY EFFING INSANE". How this gets past the NTSB is a mystery to me. Elon must be spreading a lot of cash around there, the way the pharma companies spread cash around the CDC.

[@CplVeers]

As a person that has been around hobby grade scale cars and seen what happens to the small cars when the lithium batteries catch fire...I'm amazed so many people are willing to hop on top of these electric vehicles

[@coolhawk2003]

Right don't ever leave them unattended in rc. Never have them full charge if your not going to use right away. Have a safe place away from stuff that will burn. Then ev car just leave it parked by your home or in the garage over night plugged in .

[@coolhawk2003]

Even fast charging kills the batterys 3 times as fast. Ev cars hey use a fast charger everyday so you don't have to wait.

[@SVEVelsen]

Can you name even a single example of an EV that went up without a huge amount of time passing first? Yeah I didn't think so.

[@deanmartin6052]

@@SVEVelsen I counted about 2 seconds.... when a lithium battery goes off, its almost like an explosion. (Electrical engineer, 40+ years of experience) kzbin.info/www/bejne/imiUlImeraySrJY&ab_channel=SouthChinaMorningPost

[@Mediamarked]

@@SVEVelsen Fremantle highway with brand new EV's, lots of chinese brands at storage lots, a brand new BMW hybrid that started burning in the showroom... "Huge amount of time" btw. How huge compared with ICE cars?

[@jamessones4044]

How anyone can plug one of those in overnight and think the home is safe is beyond me.

[@anthonydyer3939]

The same way that anyone can pipe highly explosive methane gas into their homes or fill up their cars with highly explosive petrol or diesel. They are all risks, people still die from time to time from those risks and yet as a society we accept those risks (indeed we don’t even preoccupy our thoughts with those risks). We accept those risks because they bring a benefit into our lives that we couldn’t accept living without. It’s the same with batteries, and indeed the overall probability of a fire is lower. However the media likes to paint a picture that this new technology will cause a fire in your home. Yet that same media, if they gave every normal car fire the same attention as a battery fire, it would leave you in no doubt that petrol is a far more dangerous substance to have in your car.

[@fus149hammer5]

Here in the UK it's got so bad when you travel by car across the channel to France or Belgium the authorities are more concerned about whether your vehicle is electric than they are about checking your passport. Live travel reports used to just say "car fire" or "vehicle fire" now they stress whether it's petrol or diesel. They never tell you anything if it's an EV. The Luton Airport fire? They are claiming the Range Rover in question wasn't an EV but you can clearly see in the footage it's a hybrid and the fire breaks out left side of the engine compartment where the battery was.

[@joefish6091]

Champion Tower in Miami, it has all the hallmarks of VCE ie thermobaric, firefighters reported a deep fire in the rubble, that confirms EV and Lion battery incident.

[@pfv3462]

Thanks for these images, I live in Belgium and this is never in the news, it is kept quiet, people should not know how dangerous these EVs are! They are literally playing with the lives of the citizens and the firefighters! These vehicles should be banned.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Should ICE cars also be banned, given that around 190'000 of them caught fire during 2022 in the US? I assume those were not on your radar prior to posting?

[@VancouverCanucksRock]

​@@Brian-om2hhThey don't just burst into flames, hours after parking.

[@PAHighlander24]

You can't compare the two. ICE vehicle fires burn at 1500F and are easily extinguished by water or foam that starves the fire of oxygen. EV fires burn at 5000F and usually cannot be extinguished because they have their own oxidant inside. All fire fighters can do is wait for them to burn themselves out which can take hours. Meanwhile they keep surrounding vehicles and structures from catching fire or destroyed by the heat. Nice try though.

[@pfv3462]

@@Brian-om2hh where is the mandatory vehicle fire extinguisher in an EV?

[@frankcastle2045]

​@@Brian-om2hhthey don't spontaneously combust you 🤡 get a life

[@robertsmith-dr5tm]

James Bond’s new Astin Martin is electric;no ejection seat button needed

[@SuperBartet]

Yes and it can also shoot flames out from under the vehicle.

[@borrisg4972]

"This messege will self-destruct... as the playback device was made in china"

[@lawrencearnemann3923]

I own a golf cart dealership. The new lithium carts really have me worried. They can just combust and firefighters cant put it out

[@JackFrost008]

so don't get any in then.

[@lawrencearnemann3923]

@JackFrost008 hey jack. If you don't have anything to contribute just shut the fuck up. The adults are talking now

[@shadowbanned5164]

Golf cart batteries are far smaller and less complex that EV batteries they should be relatively safe.

[@JackFrost008]

@@shadowbanned5164 aye, never heard of a golf cart imploding for fun.

[@andywarrington4738]

it is a shame that the mainstream media never shows these incidents , i wonder why ? pretty obvious

[@michealofloinn2539]

Why?

[@tom-xf9xs]

@@michealofloinn2539 Because EV's are viewed as one of the saviors of humanity. And any criticism may be viewed, by the public, as climate change denying.

[@ivortoad]

Advertising the manufacturer for income streams

[@paulricelli5520]

As always...FOLLOW THE MONEY

[@Wilem35]

It's a shame you ignore the fact that ICE cars have been blowing up and burning for years along with polluting and killing millions. But whatever.

[@djnebuchanezzer]

I have a friend who works in the fire service in the UK and he hates electric cars for a reason. He told me once an EV fire is put out they can reignite on their own up to 58 days later, causing massive damage to the scrapyard they have been taken to. He said once this happens it is a chain reaction that is difficult to stop, probably not too dissimilar to how nuclear fission works. Obviously nowhere near as powerful, but similar in principal.

[@joewoodchuck3824]

Geez.

[@suzanneberger8202]

All was only for financial gain as was suspected....horrendous consequences not their problem obviously. The Issue was never about the real Issue..👀

[@myview5840]

Sleep well knowing kids as old as 5 in Africa get a wage for mining cobalt. Without these high paying jobs they would have to go to school and a get an education. Laughs in evil socialism. Its a sad reality joke, folks

[@matthewmosier8439]

​@@suzanneberger8202A certain country in Asia tends to get lots of our "environmental efforts" money. You can trace the green movement's favorite solutions through the amount of money that country gets for supplying them.

[@betsybarnicle8016]

​@@matthewmosier8439 Same with solar panels and Solyndra (and other panel companies). All from this particular country.

[@dieseldave12v18]

My favorite EV videos are the ones that are on fire… under water. Makes me feel safe knowing not even a lake amount of water can put the fire out.

[@u4riahsc]

I’m not getting an electric vehicle until non-lithium batteries are available in the cars.

[@dieseldave12v18]

Likewise. I’d only get one if it was given to me, but then I’d sell the death trap. I hear Toyota is working on solid state battery tech.

[@Skilful_basics8]

​@u4riahsc they are a fad and won't become mainstream. My camp is near a town of 500 people. Trust me the people living there don't even know what an ev is. They will always want gas vehicles

[@jayney6176]

Apparently they re-ignite even after days under water

[@drzaius8430]

​@@dieseldave12v18hydro cells, Toyota is making hydro cells. Huge difference.

[@itikutok6568]

Imagine having a 2 ton flamethrower ticking time bomb, just quietly charging in your garage while you sleep..

[@ELXABER]

Here's an idea. Don't buy a 300-mile leash that spontaneously combusts, functions as an explosive, and cannot be put out once it catches fire.

[@rottin_3669]

ok smart alek whats your plan for peak oil.

[@Kenneth-ts7bp]

​​@@rottin_3669 more oil, natural gas? Heard of it?

[@BigSmartArmed]

@@rottin_3669 peak oil is peak stupidity, just like peak climate change.

[@martinr8278]

300 mile leash…lol love it. They get that much? People complaining about oil, truly, foolish and brainwashed, they forget how electricity is generated. Here’s a hint for the stupid it isn’t a bunch of mice, running on a wheel to generate electricity…….answer oil. Uh oh. Triggered if someone reads this. I’ll stick to combustible engine

[@poliziagrammaticale9430]

​@@rottin_3669I am sorry to inform you that electricity for EVs does not come from unicorns' farts, as you probably think.

[@ianchalklen1047]

I appreciate that you are looking to inform other fire fighters but I also think this information needs to get out to the general public so they can make informed decisions if they find themselves near one of these fires.

[@StacheDTraining]

Feel free to share!

[@blessedl]

Question: How do they plan to dispose of these once done?

[@tinaleanne8230]

Shhhh . . . we don't talk about that.

[@judil3294]

They also don't want to talk about the damage done to the earth by mining the materials.

[@DavidSmith-sb2ix]

You don't have to. Obviously they dispose of themselves.

[@PruneHub]

@@deadwingdomain Look up "lithium recycling." You won't find it because it can't be done with today's technology. And it is absolutely terrible for the environment.

[@wannabewanderer3861]

Recycling, dummy

[@johnboys4697]

I don't think I'd ever buy a electric vehicle

[@Userhfdryjjgddf]

I'll never ever own one!!

[@jmackinjersey1]

Why?

[@johnboys4697]

@@jmackinjersey1 fire

[@SenileOtaku]

New York, Kookafornia, and various other places run by boneheaded ultra-liberals will force you to (or at least that's THEIR intention).

[@loadapish]

No doubt youll be forced to in the end​@@johnboys4697

[@shoersa]

John Cadogan sent me here. You two are sheading light on a looming problem here! Thank you both very much! Here is a list of regs being put together. ----------------------------------- NHTSA and EPA, Here is a list of things that need to be regulated to guide the development/deployment of EVs & Hybrid vehicles. You NEED to regulate this list otherwise the deployment WILL lead to an unsafe vehicles and/or an ecological disaster. #1 Charging plug in cable should be standard across all EVs (number and layout and size of pins, function of each pin, voltage and polarity etc.) similar to the gasoline pump cable that fits into all ICE vehicles. Would prevent pin damage, sparks, smoke, damage to charger and/or vehicle if each manufacturer did this differently. NACS? #2 The high current contactors and associated electronics should be removeable for repair or replacement without having to remove/drop the high voltage high current propulsion battery from the vehicle. Labor/time for this HCC&AE removal should be

[@cjg6364]

The obvious problem lithium ion batteries pose is the toxic aerosol they generate when undergoing thermal runaway. This aerosol contains lead, thallium, cobalt, nickel, copper, and silver - among other things. By contrast, gasoline fires are limited essentially to hydro-carbon compounds and their ignition byproducts. Ingesting fumes of either is not good, but clearly, EV batteries produce chemicals that can have devastating long term health effects on those who are exposed. Health authorities around the world are way behind in regulating lithium ion batteries and their toxic pollution. When all the facts are known and acknowledged, these types of large scale energy storage will be banned in most civilized countries.

[@Jamespwickstromw]

it is know but government are pushing the green ageda no matter the cost

[@cindypappas253]

Brilliant information! Thank you!

[@chumanho]

"Significant amounts of HF, ranging between 20 and 200 mg/Wh of nominal battery energy capacity, were detected from the burning Li-ion batteries. The measured HF levels, verified using two independent measurement methods, indicate that HF can pose a serious toxic threat, especially for large Li-ion batteries and in confined environments. The amounts of HF released from burning Li-ion batteries are presented as mg/Wh. If extrapolated for large battery packs the amounts would be 2-20 kg for a 100 kWh battery system, e.g. an electric vehicle and 20-200 kg for a 1000 kWh battery system, e.g. a small stationary energy storage. The immediate dangerous to life or health (IDLH) level for HF is 0.025 g/m3 (30 ppm)22 and the lethal 10 minutes HF toxicity value (AEGL-3) is 0.0139 g/m3 (170 ppm)23. The release of hydrogen fluoride from a Li-ion battery fire can therefore be a severe risk and an even greater risk in confined or semi-confined spaces. This is the first paper to report measurements of POF3, 15-22 mg/Wh, from commercial Li-ion battery cells undergoing abuse. However, we could only detect POF3 for one of the battery types and only at 0% SOC, showing the complexity of the parameters influencing the gas emission. No POF3 could be detected in any of the other tests. Using water mist resulted in a temporarily increased production rate of HF but the application of water mist had no significant effect on the total amount of released HF." Larsson, F., Andersson, P., Blomqvist, P. et al. Toxic fluoride gas emissions from lithium-ion battery fires. Sci Rep 7, 10018 (2017).

[@FamilyManMoving]

Interestingly, you can no longer find the US EPAs permissible limits for lithium for an industrial site, before it qualified as a toxic "brown" or "superfund" site. I looked it up years ago and the toxicity of an EV would have qualified your garage as a hazmat storage site back in the 80s and 90s. The EPA has tracked "occurrence data" on various contaminants for more than 30 years, and have slowly removed various measure for lithium. For instance, today they only measure lithium in water samples. They used to test for - and report - lithium in facilities, machines and manufacturing centers. Pharmaceutical sites were considered dangerous if they processed lithium based drugs. The modern Tesla contains a lot more lithium than the EPA used to allow.

[@TheReapersSon]

They did this because they knew it's a problem but the green movement has taken over everything, including safety and common sense @@FamilyManMoving

[@iaincobain3594]

The roof explosion package is a James Bond added extra. When being pursued by carjackers etc you can blow the roof to hinder their pursuit. Apparently it's very popular in South Africa.

[@Dragonblaster1]

I live in the UK. I am 61 years old, and I had never seen a burning car before. In the last year, I have seen three on my way home from work. All battery cars, and they were really ablaze.

[@Featheryfaith7]

Better start believing in God. Christians warned you all. Better to believe, then to ask for proof constantly. ☦

[@Dragonblaster1]

@@Featheryfaith7 What on Earth has the existence of God to do with electric cars cooking off?

[@Featheryfaith7]

@@Dragonblaster1 Prophecy. We warned you all. Look back on other videos. Why do you think we knew what will happen? Its also in Revelation. If we ban oil, then it will start a war. ☦

[@Featheryfaith7]

@@Dragonblaster1 Russia was angry with us for banning oil and then thus created a war with Ukraine due to his pride was ruined. Russia is heavily Orthodox. This is an Orthodox cross. No coicidence here. LOL. Im also Orthodox. ☦

[@sickbozzer]

@@Featheryfaith7not one of these…

[@Brown_Buffalo]

I had an experience similar to that years ago when I was a tow truck driver for AAA at SF Airport. I received a call for a dead battery at short term parking. I pulled up behind the car and had the driver open the hood. My truck was equipped with a 18’ jumper cable. I connected the positive side of the battery then I connected the negative side to the engine block. Almost immediately there was a tremendous explosion and I was blown back. I couldn’t see anything because battery acid was in my face and burning like hell no fire but it burned my face. I yelled for the driver to help me but she kept saying she couldn’t so I grabbed the jumper cables and followed it to my truck and radioed in for help I gave them the level and parking number. I was out of work for several months. I now wear glasses to see correctly. Battery gasses collect around the battery even if it’s not being charged if there’s no ventilation. Be careful be very careful.

[@Starfish2145]

She wouldn’t help you? What a horrible person.

[@Brown_Buffalo]

@@Starfish2145 I’m guessing she was in shock as much as I was and seized up .

[@marknagy4779]

Very sorry to hear that about you .

[@AlChemist-235]

Thank you for this info. Some may avoid injuries

[@pinball8701]

Saying ICE fires are more common than EV is like comparing a match with a flamethrower, except that it's a flamethrower than can't be extinguished.

[@FLPhotoCatcher]

Bad analogy. In the real world, it makes little difference to the owners of any type of vehicle. Would you rather cook in a 1500 degree fire, or a 2000 degree fire? EVs almost never catch fire, and if they do, they give plenty of warning, giving anyone in it, or nearby plenty of time to move away and call the fire department. Vehicles that use highly flammable liquids can often catch fire in an accident, and trap the occupant(s) inside while they cook. EVs are not as likely to catch fire in an accident. Liquid fueled vehicles are almost 20 times more likely to burn, and even more likely than that to burn with occupants inside.

[@wazza33racer]

Australian firefighters attending EV fires have already had their staff permanently disabled with chronic health problems from the toxic cobalt fumes. EV's are a truly dangerous given the lack of public and even professional ignorance of their toxic and explosive nature.

[@davedevonlad7402]

That's not the car fire, that's EXTREMELY BAD PRACTICE of the Australian fire department as that would mean they went to put the fire out without breathing equipment on multiple occasions as getting that ill won't come from one car fire. I very much doubt that your statement is a true reflection on what is actually causing any health issues.

[@rafraf1933]

Maybe they are ill after compulsory jabs

[@ewanrollo5562]

Yeah i saw that. The car was in a underground car park. They didn't even go in. They just walked past an exterior vent with no obvious fumes coming out. On the way to deal with the fire, so they hadn't put their breathing gear on yet. The cobalt poisoning has left them permanently unable to work. It only takes a very small dose for this to happen

[@Patrick-857]

​@@davedevonlad7402Ridiculous victim blaming on your part. To add to the other comment explaining the fumes came through a vent when they didn't know, fire fighters aren't often told its an EV fire, and they still, in most countries, have not received any training on EV fires, nor do most countries have any official policy on how to deal with them. EVs aren't allowed to have problems. Shut up science denier.

[@froggy0162]

Cobalt fumes? What’s a cobalt fume?

[@Afrocanuk]

I'm really surprised there haven't been a class action lawsuit against these EV manufacturers.

[@karenacton3854]

Yet.

[@hamaarahof5712]

Yah questioning too, with sooo many reports of people getting killed in them and even hurting firefighters, I don't understand they get away without having to be liable here.

[@zenithperigee7442]

@Afrocanuk, who knows, clearly there are many people with more $$ than good sense. In the U.S. there are an estimated ~2.4 MILLION AE-V's according to Pew Research and California has nearly 50% of that number, yet there were over 290 MILLION vehicle registrations in the U.S. last year. Yet those who are pro-EV swear that the popularity of the vehicles is off the charts, prices are going down and people are buying them up like hotcakes! Ford who just offered a 40% increase in pay and a 4-day work week to employees after the strike, also posted over $3 BILLION in losses due to AE-V's sitting unsold on lots. The push by Democrats/Biden to "GO GREEN AND BUY AE-V'S!!!" is all political BS, it's nothing to do with "solving real-world problems with practical solutions." China is also one of the largest benefactors in the "AE-Vehicle craze" & they're not shy about bribing "for sale" politicians/corporations, stealing design secrets for virtually anything, artificially devaluing their own currency to attract "cheap labor" businesses and using child labor all to bolster their aspirations of becoming "THE WORLD'S DOMINANT SUPER-POWER!!"

[@bigman7293]

That explosion of that Renault with the hatch open still blew the other doors open...

[@clatonblade2211]

i remember early on when the only time you saw Li batteries was rc planes and they came with all sorts of warnings not to charge them inside or un attended, all of a sudden "its fine no worries"

[@jaxturner7288]

All of a sudden? Like 20 some years?

[@clatonblade2211]

@@jaxturner7288 if 2012 was 20 years ago in your world

[@jaxturner7288]

@@clatonblade2211 lol if 2012 was the first time you noticed R/C using lithium batteries, you haven’t been in the world long enough to remember when it started have you? Lol lithium wasn’t even considered new when I was into R/C in the late 90’s. So yeah kid in reality in this world, it’s been a while. Like 20-30 years actually. 👌

[@higherlifts420]

​@@clatonblade2211jax is just butt hurt because he's a brainwashed liberal sheep

[@jaxturner7288]

@@clatonblade2211 so what world are you in?

[@peterj5751]

Very clever of Jeep to make the roof an emergency pressure relief valve. 😄 Seriously though, great video.

[@Yournamehere9160]

We ban lithium battery base plant from tunnel construction cause of fire risk. We knew about all this with EVs so we ban the lot. Then our client has now ban them from site completely now. The crazy thing, our client is one who's pushing EVs but would not have them their selfs. Crazy times.

[@roxximusik8958]

Hats off to you Capt. for a really informative and entertaining vid. Proper public service. I also can't help but think that you weren't quite 'roof-less' enough with your Jeep Wrangler design work ! (The potential for an exploding airbag is bad enough - but this is on another level altogether.)

[@akshonclip]

Its Ironic that car explosions like in the movies are fast becoming a reality in electric cars.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Except they're not. Statistically, ICE cars are around 40 times more likely to catch fire. Around 190'000 ICE car fires were recorded by the NTSB during 2022 in the US. There are around 300 ICE car fires each day in Britain. So far in Britain, there have been fewer than 100 EV fires in total. The problem here is that you've believed everything you've seen in the press.

[@akshonclip]

@@Brian-om2hh I said “explosions”. Like when Dirty Harry throws a match and the entire car explodes. That doesn’t happen in ICE vehicles

[@KomradeCPU]

ev user usually appreciate hollywood crap so they will find it amusing.

[@81banga]

@@Brian-om2hh The problem here is your lack of comprehension skills.

[@carultch]

@@Brian-om2hh ICE car fires may be 40 times more likely to catch on fire, but it seems EV fires produce a lot more than 40 times the damage of an ICE car fire.

[@craigcaron2365]

Call your local fire department and ask them how they would put out an electric car battery fire .... IT WILL SHOCK YOU

[@buellterrier3596]

I live in Germany but this type of news is almost never covered.

[@Good-VS-Evil777]

They dont talk about it, but cover is exactly what they do! Don't be fooled.. it's how the government works lol! They control all news stations etc.

[@warlord8954]

I would rather take my chances with a 1973 Ford Pinto than any EV.

[@DICKdeNORMATITY]

A pinto cider is my preference

[@michaeldautry]

That’s just ignorant

[@JollyRed0045]

@@michaeldautry Not as ignorant as EV fanatics

[@xploration1437]

That’s as dumb as being afraid of flying.

[@roland9367]

​@@JollyRed0045Go take a Pinto and sit in the back of a traffic jam complaining about EV fanboys. Good luck

[@nicholasrhodes4550]

That Renault... Did you notice the doors spring and distort from the blast? That was with the rear hatch OPEN, venting pressure. If that hatch had been shut when the battery capped off, that car would've gone off like a giant grenade.

[@volentimeh]

The open hatch was also letting oxygen into the space which allowed an ideal gas mix to happen, both filmed explosions were similar to "backdraft" situations and may need similar contingency efforts.

[@seriouscat2231]

@@volentimeh, actually no. There is no lack of oxygen at any moment inside the car, because the battery is releasing oxygen and the situation starts with normal oxygen level inside the car. To get a backdraft-like situation you need something that greedily consumes oxygen as soon as it becomes available.

[@joeszymanski2182]

They are putting everyone's safety in jeopardy

[@infectedfreedom9560]

Awesome advice on clear a zone I have seen people just stand in and around the smoke they do not know how toxic it is.

[@joefish6091]

Theres going to be insurances claims connected to EV fires in public places. EVs appear to be uninsurable now in the UK after the Luton Airport inferno..

[@pete8707]

LiPo (Lithium polymer) batteries used in radio controlled cars, boats and planes can be very volatile. I've seen them explode and burn destroying the model vehicle. Also can ignite while charging. Never leave them unattended.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Gasoline/petrol is also extremely volatile and explosive....just so you know.

[@dob_z]

Dude, that's the battery in your phone. You leave that sht unattended in your pocket for most of the day.

[@zm1786]

​@@Brian-om2hhit's not though. You can't light gasoline with a cigarette .

[@midasracer]

This is unbelievable. The government says they are safe and effective, who should we believe?

[@grantperkins368]

Like the f###ing jabs 😂

[@jgringo5516]

Definitely not any government.

[@socksyuielkmf]

The government is out to reduce population

[@jimarcher5255]

Always trust the government. They employ scientists and experts to keep you safe.

[@UniqueBreakfastTaco]

​@@jimarcher5255lol...

[@rioborzeli147]

Great info , hoping car makers are watching and learning

[@KG-ou4nm]

Watch the 1980’s movie Demolition Man, the villain( Wesley Snipes character) ignites an electric car battery core and it blows up! Man did they get it right!

[@forestc6014]

My goodness, the explosive battery is beneath the children's seat.

[@joshuaboudreau5258]

I have wondered how firefighters could distinguish gas versus hybrid versus full electric vehicles in an aemergency. I also have been saying that they have flaws that need to be addressed for battery system. Thank you for this video, I don't feel crazy 😊

[@simonbishop4160]

100% EV vehicles are 18x less likely to catch fire 🔥 than ICE vehicles according to Ford study. Hybrids had poorest record and was most likely to catch fire. A Swedish Safety Standard Council also did study and found similar results. EVs were actually less likely and Hybrids more likely catching 🔥

[@thereseember2800]

@@simonbishop4160: Research thermal runaway re/ EVs. It merely took 1 EV vehicle fire to sink an entire car carrier in the Atlantic, and this has now happened twice. In China, one recharging EV bus fire caused 50 EV buses to catch on fire. EVs are profoundly more dangerous than ICE vehicles.

[@pauljanssen7594]

I don't think the insurance companies are ready to deal with the situation. People burned to death houses burned up groups of cars in flames.

[@magmomwise]

I have studied to understand the EV fire issue. The key points are that when an EV battery pack has a fault in the battery itself it has all of the elements (fuel, oxygen and ignition) to start a fire and continue burning. Standard fire fighting methods will not put our the fire and as shown in the video the explosive gases can build up and amplify the problem. I have personally experienced standard lead-acid automotive batteries fail resulting in small extinguishable fires and have even had these batteries explode due to internal faults but in all incidents with lead-acid automotive batteries are controllable with standard fire fighting equipment and practices.

[@mariuszmoraw3571]

What if said fire happens in enclosed structures, say, underground garage?

[@magmomwise]

Just want to make clear to all viewing that the lead acid battery explosion 5 coworkers and I experienced was real. The battery that exploded was a group 27 lead acid battery. The batteries connected to it did not ignite. In 40 years of automotive repair I have experienced only 2 lead acid battery explosion failures but in both cases there was no uncontrollable fire as results from the current EV battery packs.

[@InitialSpore]

Thanks for the informative video, I didn't realise how explosive EV fires could be but haven't really looked at purchasing an EV as the distances we drive in Australia would mean too much time charging. Currently we have a petrol car, motorbike and diesel SUV and I found your channel from Auto Expert John Cadogan. I will be watching more of your content.

[@roadrunnerfirebird]

With LFP cells it's no Problem.

[@sergiuu280]

Another great video . Thank you for all the work you put in this project , it's unique around here and helps us a lot to understand the dangers and why they happen .

[@StacheDTraining]

Thank you very much!

[@billybobbob3003]

@@StacheDTraining BEV=BATTERY EXPLODING VEHICLE

[@AlanWilliams-su4bs]

Not great videos just stunts to provide drama.

[@teeniequeenie8369]

Just one more reason not to own an EV.

[@RogerM88]

Another interesting topic to explore, are extensive wild fires nowadays. Politicians are quick to blame Global warming, to divert attention to the lack of forest management. An example it's legislation to stop farming as cattle breeding, while promoting planting trees in mono culture on extensive areas. Meanwhile, fast forward, the undergrowth doesn't get maintain, leading to fierce wild fires.

[@StacheDTraining]

This really isn't in my wheelhouse, but I do agree. Land management is extremely important to prevent wildfires.

[@vincecarlo]

The HARM DONE by EV to The Environment is ASTONISHING but No Government Dares to Talk About it

[@mustangracer5124]

Pine trees last 15 years, then become firewood.. Enviro nuts can't fathom this.

[@KidHorn7001]

In California they blame all the wildfires on climate change. Even though they were worse in the 1800s. And they have a climate where it doesn't rain for 6 months straight. No matter if it's 90F or 88F, everything is going to be super flammable.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Politicians are quick to blame Global warming, to divert attention to the lack of forest management." well only problem with that is, to bring up the Wild Fire problem in isolation is to "run a scam" of DECONTEXTUALIZATION (where you "myopically" focus in on ONE thing, while ignoring the larger context involving OTHER things) because unfortunately the problem regarding "lack of forest management" (which for sure is an issue) has little to do with the problem of DROUGHTS, FLOODS, WINTER TORNADOES, and monster Category 5 Hurricanes slamming into populated areas... see entry for Lake Mead and the Hoover Dam (i still have the pics i took on my phone from November 2019 back when i was out in Vegas for SEMA just before the arrival of the Global Pandemic), see entry for Hurricane Ian September 2022, also see entry for the Floods in Vermont and here in Pennsylvania July 2023, etc.

[@ryimscaith1593]

Going to get more common. The demand for batteries soared too high, too fast, with no infrastructure behind the suppliers. Our governments putting the cart before the horse. So, companies cut costs to meet demands. Lowering the requirements on the materials. Reducing, or eliminating, quality control. Reducing, or eliminating, testing. Removing safety items that were not (yet) deemed "necessary". The problem now is that these batteries are already out there. So even if standards are raised (and kept) these "defects" will still work their way into the system. The push for EV's have dug them a hole they will take decades to dig out of, if they can.

[@BobSmith-ew5oi]

From day one these batteries have been an unacceptable fire hazard but instead of doing the sensible thing and ban them we now put them in vehicles endangering not only the passengers but also general public from toxic fumes.

[@davedevonlad7402]

Petrol 💥🔥 🙄 You do realise how dangerous petrol is and how corrosive it can be to the environment and your health right.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "instead of doing the sensible thing and ban them we now put them in vehicles endangering not only the passengers but also general public from toxic fumes." SUCK IT ELON...!!!

[@LuMaxQFPV]

But we were taught to embrace it as a way to SAVE THE CLIMATE. LOL... Even as there are now Diesel vehicles that emit NO pollutants.. even cleaner than their unleaded gasoline brethren. We should also be celebrating and embracing THESE technologies. smh. We, all of us, the public, really must be brighter going forward. This electric, radical driven hype was waaaay too fast, before infrastructure and safety were fully understood or engineered.

[@BobSmith-ew5oi]

Give me a fuel fire any day over an ev fire.Fuel burns around 700 degrees F and melts nothing critical.EV fires burn at 3000 degrees and destroy all building supports as shown by recent airport fire.Plus all the other things about ev production the converted ignore. Toxic chemicals used by child labor to produce minerals needed and huge amount co2 produced by building huge heavy vehicles that need special tyres that use even more resources to make and wear out quicker then ice tyres. Then limited recycle at end of life so many battery packs end up in landfill.Its a close call but appears EV are more environmentally damaging then conventional fuel powered vehicles at the moment.@@davedevonlad7402

[@RickBelt]

Thank you for preserving the environment!

[@Paul-li9hq]

How often have we heard that statement: "...luckily - no one was injured..."? It's only a matter of time before the headline reads: 'HUNDREDS killed and thousands wounded/traumatised in Exploding Vehicle (EV) disaster!!!"

[@Brian-om2hh]

So, it's perhaps a good thing that the latest battery technology - Blade Batteries - have zero thermal runaway characteristics then, isn't it? These batteries have been tested by driving steel spikes through them, with no fires resulting. They are already being used in some EV's already. So what will the next gripe be? Wind turbines killing whales?

[@rotaryenginepete]

hydraulic press channel did a good video recently, almost every lithium battery they squish exploded violently

[@stuartburns8657]

You don't say lol

[@kennethblakeley6536]

Watched that, scary stuff

[@rotaryenginepete]

@@Greatuesu-sg1br lfp batteries are 🥱

[@lbgstzockt8493]

Almost all gas you set on fire burns. What is the point here? Bad things can happen if you grossly misuse energy storage vessels?

[@rotaryenginepete]

@@retiredbore378 the very first one literally exploded, rupturing the casing, and sent out shrapnel. The shockwave was the popping sound you would have heard if you were being honest.

[@ratsumatra3003]

Thank you for a very clear explanation. This is not an aspect of electric car ownership I had thought about.

[@StacheDTraining]

You are welcome!

[@randomgamer-st1ie]

"A bit concerning" is the understatement of the decade.

[@phillyphil1513]

2:44 - once again Cap'n Durham brings us the best footage. 👍 notice the civilian standing with the umbrella at "Ground Zero" (same as the Fire Fighters) but wearing no Protective Equipment. also notice the Jeep's unique parking spot being next to a brick wall (a fairly solid one in this case) so the shockwave of the blast didn't just blow upwards, but due to the wall was also given an increased DIRECTIONAL EFFECT as it blew outwards towards the street where everybody was standing. it's a bloody miracle it didn't knock anybody over, but even if the shockwave didn't manage to do that, you can clearly see the SHRAPNEL flying in all directions... right so even if you don't understand Military Science, but have heard of the "Claymore Mine" or have maybe seen it's use depicted in movies, then you'll likely understand how the device is used for AMBUSH and to set BOOBY TRAPS, and so you'll further understand (albeit with hindsight acting as 20/20) the ADDED DANGER of where that Jeep was inadvertently parked. ref: "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY".

[@martinconnelly1473]

I too was surprised the person with the umbrella never got a mention.

[@phillyphil1513]

@@martinconnelly1473 "UMBRELLA LIVES MATTER...!!!" 😉

[@deadduck8307]

You are absolutely right that gasing into the passenger compartment is a bad idea, but I'd like to point out that lithium batteries aren't the only ones to do this. Your average 12v lead acid car battery for your gas vehicle also gases even in normal use (that's why it's usually in the well ventilated engine bay), but in that case the gas is hydrogen + oxygen coming from the breaking of H2O when the battery is charged (especially if it''s already charged and exposed to high terminal voltages). My truck charges my 12v battery at 13.2-13.8 and my batteries last for 5-7 years, but I'm seeing technicians saying that anything under 14v means you have a bad alternator. It's sickening. Combine this with "sealed" lead acid being placed under the passenger seat in some vehicles, and I think we could see this happen for gas powered vehicles too. In short, they just don't make them like they used to.

[@FamilyManMoving]

It's not the process, it's the volume. Li-On is just plain dangerous compared to every other chemistry. It's OK to admit this and still be "green". The sooner we demand something better, the sooner we get rid of this toxic, flammable mess.

[@deadduck8307]

​@@FamilyManMoving You make a good point. Li-Ion is considerably more dangerous and the batteries far larger than just about anything else. That said, there are some oddities about lead acid that one should be aware of. 1.) The breaking of the water in a lead acid battery electrolyte into H and 2O produces a perfect air/fuel ratio. It wants to be H2O again, and given a spark, it will do this with a big explosion. 2.) Gas from water electrolysis expands to thousands of times the original water's volume (easily enough to fill a vehicle cabin from a conventional ICE 12v battery). 3.) Li-Ion's need a failure mode to go critical and blow up/catch on fire. Lead acids do not. They gas in good working condition just due to the passing of current through water. It's these oddities that I think can make the placement of lead acid potentially very dangerous. If ventilated though, they are very safe and will last a long time if you refill its cells with distilled water every 6 months or so.

[@deadduck8307]

@TruthOrDie777.com2 To be clear, you're saying the lead acid chemistry does not produce hydrogen gas when being charged? In an unsealed lead acid, I'd agree, there's no pressure because it's not sealed. But, a sealed lead acid would certainly build pressure if the gas is not allowed to escape -- so I just wanted clarification as to whether you considered the sealed variant and conclude that no gas is formed by the chemistry itself and hence there's no pressure, or if perhaps the sealed variants were just not considered here in context?

[@JHKCF]

@@deadduck8307. How can you fill the lead acid batteries every 6 months if they’re sealed?

[@deadduck8307]

@@JHKCF They're not really sealed as I think most would interpret that word. Conventional lead acid batteries (non-sealed) had a couple limitations that the industry wanted to eliminate. (1) They needed regular maintenance (a refilling w/ distilled water) and (2) they need to remain upright and can't be tilted because then the liquid would leak out. The solution that the industry came up with has many names: sealed, maintenance free, AGM, etc. They all mean the same thing. The battery has a gel inside rather than a liquid. This removes limitation (2). The batteries are then 'sealed' to prevent maintenance, solving (1) in marketing only, but contain pressure release grommets to ensure they don't explode from pressure. (1) was addressed in marketing only because this lead to the sale of more batteries. So the answer to your question is to look for any plastic plates or plugs that you can pop out, there will be one per cell (6 for a 12v battery). For a 'sealed' battery, they'll be hard to spot, but they'll be there.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

This is the problem when Li batteries fail slowly, they don't generate quite enough heat to auto ignite but all that flammable gas then just hangs around waiting for an ignition source. The number of EVs having catastrophic battery failures is rising as more EVs come into service but also as EVs start to get older with inherent battery degradation. Where I am, insurance premiums for EVs are sky rocketing because the insurance underwriters are seeing increased risks and costs. Although statistically the chances of an EV fire is no higher than ICE equivalent the damage caused by EV fires is way higher meaning claims for EV fires are much larger because of damage caused to surrounding buildings and vehicles.

[@jeremydyck2601]

If I was in insurance, I would REFUSE to insure EVs for just the reasons you said. Let's face it, one EV fire in the right/wrong place could bankrupt a small insurance company. It's also why so many indoor (and even outdoor) parking garages are starting to refuse to let EVs park in them.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

@@jeremydyck2601 Yeh, the EV zealots always go on about EVs not being any higher risk of catching fire than an ICE vehicle and that is true but the problem is ICE vehicles typically catch fire when they are running on the road where as EVs are prone to burst into flames while parked next to other vehicles or in garages. Also ICE vehicle fires are straight forward to put out where as EV fires cannot be put out and have to be left to burn themselves out meaning anything close by is also going to get destroyed. Insurance underwriters have to cover the risks which are way higher given the typical damage caused by an EV fire. Also when an EV is involved in any kind of accident it is automatically written off because they can't risk that the battery may be damaged, also a huge extra potential cost.

[@pablocruise9514]

Per the roof, the EV industry will just say “That’s just our automatic convertible feature”.

[@booobtooober]

So technically, these are not battery explosions. It's a flash over caused by the flammable gasses collecting inside the vehicle. Having said that, this is still a very serious issue and needs to be examined thoroughly to improve manufacturing standards and safety.

[@americarsqueensland1667]

Good to see an honest, fully informative explanation of the the dangers having an EV.

[@stevetarrant3362]

Check out the car park fire in Luton Airport England. Flattened the 3 story car park, melted the reinforced floors and collapsed.

[@stevetarrant3362]

@@marcusoutdoors4999 eh? Electric cars have been mainstream for 20 years pal, did the msm tell you the Liverpool fire was caused by a diesel!!!!!???? Lmao!!! I was a diesel fitter for 40 years. I await your brainwashed retort.....

[@stevetarrant3362]

@@marcusoutdoors4999 just checked it out, 10 out of 10 for exaggeration, 1400 cars, and the car reinforced floors were NOT melted or collapsed, can you see the difference electricity boy? Luton car park melted and collapsed, Liverpool car park, still standing with solid floors. Tsh, home work next time skid mark.....lol

[@greendrummers]

@@marcusoutdoors4999friend has proudly told me he has owned an electric vehicle for 7 years (but he can only drive a couple of hours till it gets flat) so those electric cars have indeed been around, as our mate the Diesel engine fitter said, for many years.

[@greendrummers]

@@stevetarrant3362thank god for you, l wish there were more of you with true facts on those channels comments! The times l look at someone s comment and think they are trolling about, but l don’t have the knowledge nor words necessary to debate with them and debunk them. Thanks for that, mate.

[@didierpuzenat7280]

The ❤from the "StacheD Training" is a clear demonstration that this channel is a scam. *Real* firefighters on site at Luton Airport England have declared that based on the video the fire was from a diesel Range Rover, *not an EV* ; not to mention this huge car park has *zero* sprinkler.

[@trueword34]

Anyone that owns a Jeep can tell you that those hardtops are not light. Over 100 pounds and bolted down. That explosion had a lot of force to throw that top that high. Most definitely deadly if someone was inside.

[@derek7676]

Great video. I appreciate how you criticise but also have a fix for the problems.

[@bettamuse]

It’s interesting to note on all the electric forklifts and hi lift machines I’ve used there are multiple warnings about the risks of toxic and flammable gases and heat produced when charging theses type of machines, specially in confined low or non ventilated areas. Yet ev cars are encouraged to be charged in your sealed up garage. Yes I know the battery set ups are different ( exposed opposed to sealed but still doesn’t feel like a good thing to do. Just my thoughts.

[@SVEVelsen]

There's no such thing as a 'sealed up garage'. Building regs forbid that and have for decades. That was initially for the rampant ICE fires and explosions that were constantly killing people before carburettors were improved, hosing was improved and controlled-burn fuel tanks were made mandatory, by the way. Maybe in the US or something where there barely are any build codes.

[@cfgosnell]

Agreed with the access being the problematic. I thought they stopped allowing access panels with IC vehicles decades ago. You used to be able to access the fuel pump through an access hatch under the passenger's seat in older cars (about 1985 or older approx) This was deemed 'unsafe' and eliminated in IC cars to better isolate the passenger compartment. This is not well thought out in EV's and I would imagine prime for a lawsuit because of defective general Engineering practices... Just my $.02

[@betsybarnicle8016]

Anyone remember the Corvair car (1960's), with the engine in the back and exhaust fumes that came into the passenger compartment? My family owned one - cute little car. Just kept the windows open.

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

@@johnmurphy9550 When a political agenda is attached, common sense and best practices are thrown out the window.

[@SVEVelsen]

That can't be true. My 2004 Seat Arosa had pump acces in the boot (no fire barrier) and my 2009 Ford Fiesta had that too. Maybe you're confusing it with the old fuel tanks that were not proof against fire and explosions, sometimes being mounted right underneath the passenger seat with no fire barrier to the engine itself? At any rate there's no way any EV can replicate a quick fire like those cars could. They've fire barriers in them. All batteries are hermetically sealed.

[@awdobsession717]

It’s more than just “becoming concerning” it’s been concerning for a couple years now.

[@paulputnam2305]

AutoExpertJohnCadogan sent me, and I’m very glad he did. I’m subscribed “Dude”… Great video!

[@jasonhinds463]

I never had anything remotely close to that happening with a gas powered car! What the heck?

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

Happens al the time

[@pietersteenkamp5241]

@@Makeloafnotwar So do you know what the prevalence is or do you think it not happening to you or him means anything? Electric cars also never randomly catch fire and certainly far less often than Ice cars with 100 electric gadgets in them. Fact is the battery is as unlikely to catch fire as the gas tank in a petrol car if not much less so and both are VERY rare without accidents.

[@scarsdale7186]

I was a fireman for about 10 years, I worked at a car part factory and we dealt with a number of special situations, like magnesium, explosive gases, cotton fibers, formaldehyde gas, and so on. When lithium is exposed to air, the moisture in the air starts the reaction and there's a lot of hydrogen gas being produced. That is causing the explosions more than anything. The batteries do also explode, but not with that much force. What I"m hearing is people are charging these EV's too often and it causes the batteries to wear out faster, with some VERY bad results. My wife did that with her cell phone, and the battery pillowed on her. She just couldn't unplug it I suppose. If these are EV's, then why would people have a gas can or starter fluid in them? That makes zero sense.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

this Jeep was a hybrid, that means it is a gas/ battery combo

[@scarsdale7186]

@@inTruthbyGrace It said it was plugged in, so I had no way of knowing. Plus, you should NEVER carry gas or starter fluid in your car, for this very reason. If it's a hybrid, then it's just as likely it wasn't vented and the fumes from the aging battery was leaking inside. If it's a hybrid that needs charged, then the battery was old and not charging like it would normally. If you need an idea of how dangerous lithium is, cut open a AA size lithium battery, unroll the contents, remove the paper film from it, fold it into a small block (wear gloves) and toss it into a bucket of water. Stand back, it's energetic! If you need to understand what's in the smoke it puts off, take a long tube, put a bit of water in the bottom, and drop it in, you could take a lighter and ignite the hydrogen it's putting off, use a BBQ lighter so it doesn't blow your hand off. Hydrogen is nearly twice as powerful as gasoline, and invisible and odorless, your only clue is you start talking like Micky Mouse. Also it's lighter than air and would have collected in the roof, while gas fumes would collect on the floor.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

@@scarsdale7186 That was a great explanation!! Thank you!! :)

[@scarsdale7186]

@@inTruthbyGrace Even though I had to retire from being a fireman, I prefer to annoy people with sound advice, rather than let them make work for my fellow fire fighters. 😁 I cringe when I see someone trying to slap out a grease fire, or hear someone trying to deep fry a turkey and say "Don't worry, the oil will stop boiling over in a second" then it catches fire...😱

[@inTruthbyGrace]

@@scarsdale7186 sound advice is nit annoying at all, it is a gift. Merry Christmas.. here is my only osund advice: we only have 1 Creator on record speaking to mankind in the first person, claiming the authority of the Author of life... I was a pretty devout Roman Catholic UNTIL I read and studied what He has to say, it was not at all what I expected. His revelations, instructions, prophecies etc are laid out in a series of 66 (or so) books, revealed directly to some 40 authors over 2500y in 3 continents. We refer to that collection as the Bible and it is the measure by which our lives will be judged by God in the end. The GREAT news is that God has given us the gift of salvation whereby we can be reconciled to God by faith in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins and The Kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus is Lord, and every knee will bow.. the only question is whether we will bow before we enter the Kingdom of God or the Lake of Fire... I was very happy I read the Bible for myself. :)

[@yungmodulus2237]

Guy: Cars don’t explode, that’s just a lie from Hollywood Electric cars: Say no more

[@chrisgg80]

I can’t believe there isn’t some universal regulation car companies have to follow. It’s absurd to think that this happening is even a possibility

[@SVEVelsen]

It took decades to get car companies to implement basic safety features. Companies like Ford, Chevrolet, Tesla etc will always argue against regulations since it reduces their profit margin. Look at the way Tesla attacked regulators instead of simply making their 'Cybertruck' POS safe beyond a 1980's level of safety.

[@sr-7124]

There is tho. It’s just EVs are a new thing. New enough to not have regulations yet, anyways. Yet.

[@chrisgg80]

@@sr-7124 saying "it's ok because it's new" is zero justification for putting the publics lives at risk. Infrastructure isn't there, time, money, first responders training isn't even there either. EV's hold no future.

[@johnLee-qm7pm]

WOULDN'T BE MORE USEFUL if you told people not to buy these Exploding Vehicles which could endanger there families or innocent passer-by's rather than tell them to get away from the vehicle, don't park it in an enclosed area, etc ???

[@greendrummers]

I think anyone watching this will understand this for themselves… I am watching carefully where l park nowadays, avoiding the green number plates, but no idea if a car is a hybrid of course. Then, l avoid any contained parking lots too..

[@christianchristiansen99]

Thank you for highlighting this extremely important issue. EV manufacturers shouldn’t get a pass on proper/safe engineering, just because they’re “saving the world” and “it doesn’t happen very often”. The design of the “floor” of that Jeep is beyond negligent in my view.

[@gcraig0001]

We need a non-lithium battery technology. Lithium has a multitude of negatives, not just the issue of runaway chemical reactions that result in uncontrollable fires.

[@JCO2002]

Well, that's one way to remove a removable roof. I wonder if it's in the manual?

[@ArniesTech]

Look at all that gorgeous environment saving. 💪💪💪

[@firstielasty1162]

Do you have any information about the electrical shock risks? The battery voltage varies, but some EV's are up to 800vdc, most are at least a couple hundred. With the high amperage that can be drawn from them, this is a real hazard. In a different league from the surprisingly nasty arc even a lowly 12v battery makes when inadvertently shorted to ground. 220vac that most DIYers are wary of...that is only ever 110v potential from ground. 800v from a battery is truly dangerous. I suspect firefighters and mechanics both will die from this, if it hasn't already happened. It isn't likely that our news sources would bother to cover this.

[@maximilianreichelt9717]

For firefighters the risk for electrical shock on a car is extreme low (as long as it isn't a bad EV conversion). The 12 V battery is connected to the metal frame. Put one hand on + and the other hand on the engine and a current is flowing through your body that you won't notice. High voltage batteries on EV and Hybrid are not allowed to be connected to the metal frame. You need one person touching + and metal frame and a second person touching - and metal frame at the same time. Or one person touching + and - at the same time. And there are other safety measurements. There is a insulation monitoring device, that detects if one pole of the battery is connected to the frame and disconnects the battery immediately. Same happens in a crash. To get an electric shock in case of an accident, at least one pole of the battery must penetrate the metal frame of the battery without touching it, what is nearly impossible. The other pole needs a short to the metal frame. And a firefighter have to touch both at the same time. It is not impossible, but the chance to get hit by a thunder is much higher. But be careful, that is for brand EVs, not for selfmade. And not for other things like UPS (batteries are open frame, poles are not protected), solar panel (can't be shut off, only shorted) and so on. In most cases, the battery gets damaged with multiple shorts between multiple cells. That means these cells have 0 V. If you short a 800 V battery, you have nearly 0 V. But you have a lithium metal fire. Thats the real hazard for firefighters. And as long as car manufacturers use lithium ion (Tesla Model S) or even more dangerous LiPo (Mercedes), instead of safe LiFePo4 (Tesla Model 3) or NiMh (Toyota Full Hybrid), the hazard goes on. Thats why i never park my Toyota next to a Mercedes or Tesla. For mechanics it is a different story. If you aren't trained in EV maintenance you should get 5 meter away from a EV that is worked on.

[@mikeshaffer7673]

"Decon their gear, especially inside their bunker pants". ...I see what you did there, kudos on the absolute deadpan delivery...😂

[@TheChrisLeone]

It used to be a myth that cars would explode, now they definitely can! Obviously a fuel tank can catch fire but not like lithium

[@nubie1100]

I was messing with 18650's and one went like a rocket. It flew atleast 40ft. They really do stop red hot for a long while too... dangerous things

[@Patrick-857]

I did the same. Mine spun so fast it made a high pitched buzzing sound and went at least as far as yours. Fully charged Samsung 30Q cell.

[@geraldscott4302]

Great video. We need to get information out there about the dangers of EVs, and hopefully get them BANNED!!

[@Victor-vj5ds]

We dont ban gas cars when they catch fire and they do that all the time, 11x more often than teslas per million miles driven.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Around 190'000 ICE cars caught fire during 2022 in the US. Should they be banned too? It's perhaps as well that newer battery technologies are being developed and used, such as the Blade Type batteries in the newer BYD and some other makes of EV. These have been tested by driving steel spikes through them, and have been found to have *zero* thermal runaway characteristics. This completely nullifies your argument for banning EV's. Quite often, a number of people fall downstairs in their homes and are seriously injured, or even killed. Should stairs be banned? Should motorcycles be banned? Lots of people are killed and injured using those? And what about guns? Maybe those should be banned?

[@RennieAsh]

Ban batteries, ban aeroplanes, ban everything!!!

[@davedevonlad7402]

Ban EVs 🙄What a stupid unintelligent comment.

[@phillyphil1513]

@@Brian-om2hh re: "These have been tested by driving steel spikes through them, and have been found to have zero thermal runaway characteristics." okay but independently tested by WHO exactly...? Brits...? 'Muricans...? Germans...? Italians...? South Koreans...? or where they tested by the Chinese themselves whose LANGUAGE you likely neither SPEAK, nor READ, nor WRITE...? smarten up Brian i tell you like i'd tell my Son (though i have Daughters) don't be so damned gullible.

[@mr.cmr.c3855]

Not to mention how deadly they can be in an accident due to their wrecking ball like weight.

[@michaelandcaron]

According to the NHTSA, residual salt within the battery or battery components can form conductive “bridges” that can lead to short circuit and self-heating of the battery, resulting in fires. The time frame in which a damaged battery can ignite has been observed to vary widely, from days to weeks.

[@rorge007]

The only safe EV is one that has been disabled, eg battery removef

[@davidsworld5837]

the only safe Petrol car is one with NO petrol in it. Petrol is far More flammable.

[@David-fj5lz]

Not so the battery is the only thing not safe even when removed, remember that latest one, exploded on the ground after being removed!

[@davidsworld5837]

the battery was incorrectly stored outside allowing water to get in to the battery I bet they did not cover the connectors on the battery. So the person who removed it was NOT qualified to do so

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@David-fj5lz Where and when did this happen? "one exploded on the ground" ? And we're supposed to simply accept this as hard fact, are we?

[@David-fj5lz]

What happens if this happens in a traffic jam

[@davedevonlad7402]

Exactly the same as a car fire. Why would it be different.

[@etorepugatti9196]

Or in a tunnel...

[@barley12girl]

​@davedevonlad7402 petrol or diesel powered vehicles are much easier to put out, and burn much cooler than a giant battery pack.

[@davedevonlad7402]

@@barley12girl yeah I know that, but what makes it any different, a fire is a fire it causes damage but to me it's no different, to me I just need to get away from it as fast as I can. If you want to stand around then so be it but "any" car fire I would be long gone and let the authorities deal with it. I don't care if it takes longer or not as that's not my problem that is the problem for the fire brigade all I care about is if I can get out and get away far enough. But to the original question if it happens in a traffic jam well the answer is like I said absolutely the same as petrol or diesel nothing changes in the circumstances, if you are stuck in traffic then that's not going to change a thing. Back other cars away as much as you can then get out and get away how difficult it is it for people to understand. What difference is it to me if it burns a different way (it doesn't) I just have to save my life by getting out and getting away the best possible way I can, nothing else Matters.

[@davedevonlad7402]

@@etorepugatti9196 Now this is a good question. I guess the same as any fire as the smoke and fumes will become the most dangerous part of it. I guess it's just about getting out of the tunnel as quickly as you can.

[@kimmyk1]

So many videos on this. I read GM is stopping production. So glad

[@StacheDTraining]

GM hasn't built any of them. 😉