Electric Bus Fires Worldwide

[@bentullett6068]

Another city in the UK, Bristol, also pulled their fleet of electric buses not long after the London bus issue occurred. Must have been the same models that London had.

[@iDislikeAlotofThings]

Bristol has electric buses??? I thought First Bristol is diesel and CNG. Im aware there was one bus which is a Wright Streetdeck Electroliner demonstrator that paid Bristol a visit, but it left a while ago. Newport Buses have Electric Buses as well, however none of the Yutong EVs have caught fire as of yet.

[@LMB222]

Third World is having problems with electric buses, what's new.

[@stephensalt6787]

I heard of a plan for Shepherd’s Bush (London) bus depot, it’s a large site and the proposed plan is to put the bus garage underground with 198 chargers and then build an apartment block for 3000 plus residents above. Madness.

[@EleanorPeterson]

"Barbecue you, sir?" 🔥👀

[@ghunt9146]

Who the hell's in charge?!

[@kellikelli4413]

That plan sounds like it could depopulate a lot of sheeple. Sheeple don't replace the politicians who recently tried to harm them w/bioweapons.

[@kellikelli4413]

t9146 Lucifer?

[@Anonymous-ib8so]

With Sadiq Khan as Mayor, London has become a place to avoid

[@christopherguy1217]

The thing with electric vehicles, if the batteries overheat for any reason the fire is near impossible to fight. Add in the toxic gases expelled from the batteries and you have a disaster in the making. Anything else this dangerous and it would be banned from use and sale but EVs get a free pass.

[@tommyking626]

I remember samsung note 7 just a few fire they have been banned

[@tonywharton5220]

I really don't understand why the area wasn't evacuated during the London bus fires. Its like they want to keep it as quiet as they can ✌️

[@kellikelli4413]

@8:03 - The odd time of any of these fires 👉 3am.... Bewitching hour.

[@kellikelli4413]

@5:25 = I'm having a difficult time wondering where a good place to store these vehicle batteries which would keep them dry & safe from harming passengers trying to safely exit a burning /exploding EV. I just can't think of any safe place for them.

[@davidredding1988]

Battery’s on the roof because they know how dangerous they are. Evs are going to be a DESASTER they are waiting for a big big fire and then they will have to ban them.

[@jaysdood]

Ooooh! How environmentally friendly.🎉🎉🎉

[@suecharnock9369]

yep - I call EV's SEV - Spontaneously Exploding Vehicle

[@tman8939]

these busses look like a roman candle.

[@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp]

Which part don't you like? The color of the bus or the fire?

[@2004done-Stll]

@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp Everybody knows by inclusion of various elements coating the batteries' containers, we could have personalized colors of fire for a low-cost option.

[@chrislee7392]

That is until thy are scraped so much of the battery has to go to landfill

[@OldCanadianguy953]

Just say no to any form of this Lithium-based garbage for transportation.

[@litestreamer]

They always knew this EV plan would fail. They planned it that way.

[@breckfreeride]

Who will mine it... Nimby

[@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp]

Just say no - is not good enough. Call those criminal grifters who make money on "climate crazy projects" for who they are. They knowingly and deliberately are pushing agendas that have no other purpose but to destroy economies as we know them and have people "obey" the tyrannies of the minorities.

[@bloothedog4443]

Here Here! but i think it works on a small scale vehicle like under 2000 lbs. with enough safety precaution.

[@breckfreeride]

@@bloothedog4443 bicycles then...

[@MMCUSN]

Saving the Planet has never been so destructive to the Planet and People.

[@Steve1766]

yeah right also the mining footprint for EVs requires killing the forests and mountains

[@robertely686]

Thank goodness petrol requires no mining. No wars, no bombs, no transportation, no spills, no depleted uranium and it doesn't fund terrorism. It just causes a little smoke when burnt.

[@reverendbarker650]

@@Steve1766 You guys act as if ICE vehicles have no environmental impact whatsoever, you really are either incredibly shortsighted, ill informed or just prejudiced against new tech, which will always take a few decades to get the bugs ironed out. How long have we used ICE vehicles ? over 100 years.... and we still haven't made them fuel efficient, non polluting or incapable of catching fire.

[@Steve1766]

@@reverendbarker650 did i just stumbled upon a brainwashed EV fan ???? yeah i'm not gonna waste my time to explain everything cuz you will never understand well they are worse for various reasons take it or leave it unless you are a spoiled rich kid and your sugar dad will flush down 150k for your Mode X Plaid

[@Steve1766]

@NOSTALGICA_filme because we don't have many EVs yet if we had more EVs we would have more fires too because they can spotaneously combust due to thermal runaway also lithium ion batteries tend to explode and catch fire ICE fires are rare and they occur after severe accidents

[@annalramey6554]

Just imagine an electric school bus loaded with our children catch fire and no one will be able to save them. Say no to electric buses.

[@TNT-projects]

In the UK we have a lot of low bridges that busses are attracted to, roof mounted batteries and low bridges, what could go wrong

[@iDislikeAlotofThings]

Roof mounted batteries are only for single deckers, even if the bridge is still too low, the driver should be made aware of the vehicle's height as the cab of a bus driver usually has a sticker indicating how tall the bus is.

[@ghunt9146]

​@@iDislikeAlotofThingswe still get idiot bus drivers.

[@brianfretwell3886]

@@iDislikeAlotofThingsYes roof mounting on doulbe deckers would make them unstable!

[@2004done-Stll]

@@ghunt9146 That's why we need more idiot politicians, so there % of idiot bus drivers hired will be even smaller than idiots elected.

[@grahamjohnson4702]

@@iDislikeAlotofThings It's the law that the height of the bus must be on a sign in front of the driver as he sits at the wheel. Unfortunately, the height that is shown for the bridge is not always correct on the bridge.

[@trooperfrag1387]

My home state of WV recently made a deal with GreenPower Motor Co. A GreenPower factory is being made/has been made in South Charleston, WV, and the state is planning on getting electric schoolbuses for every county. Right now, we dont have any in county, but a lot of other counties have received them. Last April, we looked over the biggest one GreenPower produces, we dont have anything in county to deal with something like that

[@kelleemerson9510]

Thanks for the info! Every parent needs to know this.

[@kellikelli4413]

There are many ways to bankrupt a town, city, or country and investing in expensive boondoggles is one of those ways 🤔

[@LMB222]

Those buses are great, and make you less dependent on those guys that wear turbans and have oil.

[@russelbrown6275]

Yeah all of the school buses that are electric can be observed being charged by a DIESEL GENERATOR

[@raydelaforce8149]

Ever wondnered why politicians don't travel on electric buses. No, they prefer to travel in gas powered limousines. It is the ordinary citizen who are victimised by the oligarchs. When they turn left, you should know that turning right is the safer option.

[@kellikelli4413]

You're a bit confused. Actually, which ever way they turn is the better way - they're not going to jeapodize their safety. If they tell YOU to go a certain way is when you should go the other way.

[@jooproos6559]

@@kellikelli4413 Yes and 100 %!!

[@matthewhowe3727]

Biden loves pushing electric vehicles, except for his.

[@jos4669]

when have politicians ever used public transport?

[@kellikelli4413]

They are of the opinion that they are more important than the rest of us who aren't billionaires - and the reason they hate America's Constitution and Bill of Rights, etcetera is because these documents give us, not them the power‼️ Never 4get that, and don't allow them to 4get that. - We're NOT going to give these greedy dysfunctional elites OUR power‼️

[@electricsnut]

It’s always funny how they try to blame EV fires on something else attached to it… Doing everything they can to keep hyping EVs….

[@stuinNorway]

Terrible isn't it, blaming the fires on the actual cause of it, rather than spreading misinformation. London previously withdrew their diesel powered bendy-busses as they kept catching fire. Oddly there were no calls to ban diesel busses.

[@AtZero138]

Gas and Diesel fires are easier to extinguish, Easier to detect, Easier to diagnose origin/reason etc.. Who wants to blame a simple lack of service... Misdiagnosed problem... Etc...

[@edbeck8925]

Yeah, fire started by the HVAC system. Seems like some blame shifting. That's today's world, the story has to fit the narrative, even if you have to lie

[@GeorgeDavis-f1b]

Ya same as climate change hahaha

[@grahamjohnson4702]

@@stuinNorway You are 100% incorrect, the bendy buses were removed because not being used properly, and they were causing accidents due to impatient drivers wanting to get past the long buses being held up. Funny how every other big city in the world can use bendy buses satisfactorily.

[@papalegba6796]

These problems aren't going away. Likely to get worse with time as the batteries age in fact.

[@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp]

The faster we build EVs the faster the situation becomes desperate.

[@palmtreeshenanigans]

Before spouting nonsense do a little research sodium and solid state batteries are being used in cars now, much safer than any lithium battery and store more energy at 40% less cost. Technology moves fast these days and safety has improved to the point that fires are no longer of concern.

[@papalegba6796]

@@palmtreeshenanigans cool story bro. Thermodynamics isn't your strong point is it? 😂

[@John-pp2jr]

Very good point. The obvious is often overlooked.

[@papalegba6796]

@@John-pp2jr mate I run an ebike for my daily city rush hour commute, average maybe 50 miles a week? It's incredibly handy but a disposable item, after 2 years the warranty runs out & everything dies on you. Battery, motor, the lot. It's better to sell it & get a new one rather than waste time & money keeping the old one going. The economics still work out for me like that but it's just a fact they ain't built to last.

[@Ostsol]

None of the electric buses in my city have caught fire, but they're made by Proterra, so the city may as well have just burned the money spent on them. About 3/4 of the fleet is inoperative and even before Proterra's bankruptcy proceedings, we'd been waiting over a year for some parts. Even when they're operational they don't live up to expectations and promises.

[@markadler8968]

I used to live in Whistler Canada. For the Olympics they had the genius idea to have hydrogen busses. They bought all of these buses and the infrastructure for something like 50 million and they used the busses for less than a year and scrapped the whole system.

[@wishteria234]

Edmonton Alberta has some Proterra buses sitting around .

[@ghunt9146]

​@markadler8968 they just love throwing taxpayers' money around.

[@MoosesValley]

07:38 " ... there's a lot of other issues with electric buses across the country and many of these issues go back to a company called PROTERA ..."

[@oldcynic6964]

@@markadler8968 Do you know why ? Was it safety concerns or were they uneconomic, or some other reason ? (And with what did they replace them?)

[@kpdvw]

Never heard of a electric bus catching fire that is when electric busses had 2 poles on the roof and 2 traction power wires above the streets....!

[@Avetho]

Those are the right kinds of electric bus, the ones that have a diesel or CNG engine to turn a generator when disconnecting from the overhead wires, and when on the wires it can shut off the generator and cruise along silently.

[@mjouwbuis]

@@Avetho or even some small batteries for short drives to get back under the wire, preferrably lifepo or natrium ion.

[@Avetho]

@@mjouwbuis For those situations, supercapacitors are the far superior option. Rapidly recharge on the wire if need be, and no risk of fiery explosion. Though to be fair, LiFePO4 has been proven to be stabbable at full charge without exploding into flame, just a flame akin to a very big candle.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

It was very very rare.

[@palmtreeshenanigans]

@@Avetho LOL you need to do some research , sodium batteries are being used now and don't catch fire.

[@richardferster8049]

It boggles the mind to think that local school boards are replacing safe diesel powered models with these fire traps. Won't be long before a disaster.

[@zz449944]

When there are government grants and other free money out there, school boards are gonna grab hold of that cash even if the vehicles purchased cost twice as much but are only half as good as petrol-powered buses. Then, they get to brag about their clean energy buses. It won't make the news when they fail and need replacement in half the time of gas or diesel buses -- unless there is a major unfortunate event. Either way, the local taxpayers get screwed -- even with all that "free" money.

[@LMB222]

Diesel "safe"?

[@nathanobrien6875]

If they could only make a bus that runs on diesel fuel… imagine how much people and the planet could benefit. 🤔

[@D.von.N]

In a few decades the ever growing demand for fossil fuels might cause their shortages and us running out of them. Then what? Back on the horses?

[@breckfreeride]

A good low floor is 400k and an electric is 800k with 200k batteries needed at year 6... And the diesel will run all day with heat on... The electric could be dead in 10 hours with 0 miles driven if temps were below 20 degrees

[@stevencorrea8032]

Imagine if they can make a vehicle run off of radio waves no battery no diesel no gasoline

[@D.von.N]

@@stevencorrea8032 you mean those waves that are long and carry almost no energy?

[@stevencorrea8032]

@@D.von.N really is already been done

[@pchelloo]

Bus on fire at 7:30 am. Bus fire finally put out at 15:30. This is for one (1) bus?

[@reachandler3655]

These batteries can not only spontaneously combust, at incredibly high temperatures, but the reaction in the batteries produces oxygen (fuel). They are very difficult to put out, even when fully submerged in water, they'll continue to burn. Oh, and when they are eventually extinguished, they can still reignite, even weeks later!

[@Lycaerix]

Thermal runaway. Though it burns with intensity, the energy takes a long time to burn through and exhaust itself. Consider that petrol tends to simply explode and instantly burn the same energy off. Pros and cons to both. Ultimately a bad outcome either way.

[@Unknown_Ooh]

As a former firefighter it doesn't matter if those buses were electric or not if you park any vehicles that close together and one catches fire for long enough not being noticed the fire will typically spread to the other vehicles. I have been to a fire like that but at an outdoor taxi depot (gasoline vehicles). Also, i'm not denying there is certainly a higher risk for electric vehicles catching fire, especially for cheaply and poorly made ones.

[@zyglo9826]

Wow, those clouds of black smoke and the runoff water from firefighting operations, full of toxic chemicals, are so good for the environment.

[@chucksurgeonertribute2113]

Politicians need to be personally liable for the damages they cause.

[@stevem6402]

My battery for my bike now sits outside during the night......

[@mikldude9376]

Wise move grasshopper !

[@manoz6194]

I'm not worried about my ebike batteries. I have 4 of them in my house for 4 plus years.

[@HuFlungDung2]

​@@manoz6194And that generates complacency bias. Old lithium batteries become less and less reliable as they approach the end of their charge life.

[@phillyphil1513]

@@manoz6194 re: "I'm not worried about my ebike batteries." yup, unfortunately that's what Psychologists call DENIAL derived from having developed a FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY. meanwhile notice that what the Captain is showing you is literally SEVERAL ginormous electric buses on fire. yeah those flames shooting out of the buses are not CGI so the next question one has to ask themselves is, do they have the MATURITY and COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT to event accept what they are seeing...? hint: it's not a foregone conclusion that everyone does.

[@breckfreeride]

Worst possible way to do that bro... You obviously don't know lithium... Cold leads to over charge and moisture... Use a lipo bag. Don't over discharge and don't overcharge

[@daveb2wright]

Can you imagine the car ages if these buses were full of passengers. Absolute carnage! Batteries are not the way to go.

[@stevencorrea8032]

If only they could power a car off of radio frequencies

[@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp]

This is a hate speech. People who sell batteries "hate what you have to say".

[@grahamjohnson4702]

What has car ages got to do with it?

[@rsinclair689]

Tunnel would be a nightmare scenario.

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

Here in Britain our leaders are pushing electrification so hard and yet they drive massive Range Rovers

[@LMB222]

Rich people drive old cars because they take care of them. Even a shittу range rover can be taken care of.

[@motleydude73]

​@@LMB222You missed his point...

[@TimothyForbesXXI]

If we have electric buses, then they should have twin overhead wires. I don't recall hearing about fires coming from trolleybuses, and they have a lighter weight than the battery-operated ones. Otherwise, they should run on fuel cells if they need to have a vehicle with zero emissions.

[@digger105337]

So all the exhaust emissions they supposedly eliminate are released 1000 fold when they eventually catch fire. Brilliant 😂

[@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp]

It is neigh about pollution or fires - it is all about MONEY. EVs are like building weapons. They both have a very short life cycle. Buy them - they destroy themselves - and you have to buy them again. On top of the $ Billions you have the pleasure of sending to the UN for saving the planet and making John Kerry richer

[@Avetho]

And more, the smoke is far more toxic than simple smoke inhalation, as smoke inhalation consists only of breathing in too much CO2 and carbon monoxide.

[@LMB222]

Source on the ”1000 times"?

[@UltraGamma25]

​@@LMB222He meant 1,000,000 fold obviously.

[@Hellodarknessmyolefriend]

Wondering how much toxic fumes are released into the atmosphere?

[@johnsmith7676]

"They" don't care about that. and they don't care about *you*, either.

[@LMB222]

Not much. Most of it is hydrogen, so you get water. It burns quickly, that's why those fires look so dramatic. The small amounts of nickel and cobalt may be problematic. Lithium oxide is problematic in large amounts, but you'd have to be sniffing the battery. Small amounts are absolutely okay, lithium carbonate is a medicine. The rest is pure carbon, so the result is CO2.

[@wazza33racer]

Electric heavy truck burned to the ground in Melbourne Australia last year. It was a Janus truck owned by Cement Australia.

[@winstons1806]

They built 6 Janus EV trucks, 1 burnt before it was delivered, a 2nd truck burnt a few weeks after delivery after going up a hill with a full load on a hot day.

[@lokmanmerican6889]

Janus Electric’s Kenworth T403 caught fire on July 14 2022 at their Berkeley Vale NSW headquarters. Janus General Manager: "the Kenworth T403 was the first in kind never to be repeated prototype.” Melbourne November 2023: "Janus modified Kenworth truck caught fire on a major Melbourne freeway that caused major traffic disruptions while firefighters battled to extinguished the runaway blaze." Never to be repeated, he said. Let's make sure of that, this time.

[@andyharman3022]

@@lokmanmerican6889 Never is a long time...

[@LMB222]

And?

[@edgarplummer6750]

Batteries on the roof, apparently they have never heard of condensation when metal cools at night and heats up in the sun?

[@voice.of.reason]

Good point yes. The roof will be very very hot, and batteries don't like being hot

[@ElwoodEBlues]

Should be easy to solve. Rooftop of blank metal or white paint greatly reduces heat caused by sunlight, and an air conditioner not only cools the inside of the bus but the batteries as well. The problem should not be arising even in hot climates- all it takes is a heat pump. The same heat pump can warm up the batteries in winter and thereby heat the bus.

[@franciscogodoy9158]

Looks like they have never heard of center of gravity to start.

[@vwfanatic2390]

Grateful to have your firefighter focus on EV fires. That said, a very logical reason NOT to deploy EV buses is the CBA cost benefit analysis. To amortize the cost of any bus it needs to run practically ALL day, less so at night, but they need to be deployed with 100 usability during peak use hours. Fast charging EV batteries degrades them, they run for less time on the same charge, they won’t provide as long a serviceable longevity, and are at greater risk of TRfire, as a result of frequent fast charging. This leads to longer terms to amortize the cost incurred from purchase, where as diesel buses may require maintenance but the purchase isn’t a right off before it’s paid for. Oh wait thanks to government indoctrinating the new generation, they doesn’t believe things have to be paid for or that they must work to pay for things they want.

[@LMB222]

He doesn't know what he's talking about. He can't tell a PHEV from a BEV - don't trust this guy on anything other than fireplace fire.

[@vwfanatic2390]

@@LMB222 who are you saying is not to be trusted? Also, when it comes to lithium batteries and fires, there is not much difference between Battery EV’s and Plug-in Hybrid EV’s. Feel free to avail us of your vast EV knowledge.

[@peterwexler5737]

Given what we've seen with mobile phones on planes, why should this be any different? A bus is just a giant iPhone with wheels.

[@tonyromano6220]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Avetho]

Wrong. An e-Bus is a giant Samsung Galaxy Note 7 with wheels.

[@peterwexler5737]

@@Avetho Can't disagree with you there.

[@LMB222]

No, it isn't, trumpie. Satellites use the same cells, do you ever hear of satellites blowing up?

[@tonyromano6220]

@@LMB222 bad comparison, numbers produced, completely different ISO standards and manufacturing make it irrelevant. Plus they do blow up.

[@timmiller508]

Why would insurance companies ever want to insure a electric vehicles

[@nunyabiznes4471]

Some insurance companies are refusing to insure EV’s.

[@Avetho]

Meanwhile, most insurance corpos over here in the US are raising the rates on everyone else to subsidize EV owners, but EVs still cost twice as much to insure despite the unfair advantage gotten by stealing from ICE vehicle owners. Corruption is rife.

[@nunyabiznes4471]

@@Avetho exactly correct.

[@LMB222]

Because they are statistically safe (not BYD)

[@nicolagianaroli2024]

@@LMB222 On one hand BEV might catch fire less frequently, and this is a point very very controversial at least as the authority have demonstrated over and over again the tendency to cook the numbers in order to achieve political goals, but on the other hand it is a given that the fire of a BEV is much more destructive. I doubt big time that eventually any insurance company will accept to cover the risk of a BEV catching fire in underground garage located underneath a building dwelled by people.

[@jean-marcandjoshua-petsjournal]

BYD batteries, their cars have battery issues as well.

[@LMB222]

Don't buy BYD, point. I had those in my laptop and another - also Chinese - cells in another laptop of the same type. I opened them up to recycle the cells - the BYD didn't even have the yellow foil around the edges, and had widely varying voltages. The other cells were also Chinese, but much more stable, same voltages and pretty much the same capacity after 2 years.

[@fountainvalley100]

I’m still of the opinion that a lot of building codes need to be updated to reflect the hazards of electric vehicles.

[@pelocitdarney5718]

Electric buses should have compulsory cabin crew to show the pasengers where the emergency exits are. When the bus is under way, they could sell lottery tickets or life insurance to the passengers

[@voice.of.reason]

Electric buses. More dangerous than flying but they don't do a safety briefing

[@rsinclair689]

Well after seeing the Paris fireworks display I guess ejection seats are out.

[@malcolmwhite6588]

What is quite amazing is that what appears like dark ,carbon rich , toxic smoke is actually carbon neutral , Renewable and environmentally friendly - quite deceptive compared to other types of fires😂

[@garreysellars5525]

I like your humour 😅

[@malcolmwhite6588]

@@garreysellars5525 cheers! 🥂

[@malcolmwhite6588]

@@garreysellars5525 ….. also 10 points for realising it was humour. Many people respond to comments like this thinking you’re being serious!

[@SteveEddy-od7fb]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😊

[@cliffordcullen1687]

It’s not smoke, it’s EV smug😂😂😂😂

[@christopherbernhardt]

They seem to be charging them with a massive resistor and then just dumping the entire capacity of the battery in it in a few seconds. Crazy dangerous.

[@cj90014]

Battery cars and buses are not the answer. Shame we don't have elected officials intelligent enough to take a good look at this path.

[@uk-martin4905]

They are all indoctrinated by the globalist - marxist climate change agenda nonsense. Those who can think for themselves are probably discouraged from doing so if they want to keep their jobs. In the UK, as far as I can sse, the companies running these buses all come under the diktats of hugely-political (generally marxist) leaders, as we can see in London, Manchester and Bristol.

[@ElwoodEBlues]

The answer is banning transportation altogether. Walk, ride your bicycle, or stay at home.

[@ragtowne]

I remember when airports sold “flight insurance“ to passengers in case the plane crashed - perhaps they should sell “bus insurance“ in case the bus catches on fire and you get maimed or killed?

[@phprofYT]

I've been seeing indications that some school districts are moving toward EV buses. Absolutely noway in **** my kid would ride on an EV bus. Just riding on a regular bus with some of these genius drivers is bad enough.

[@phillyphil1513]

bingo, the EXACT comment i was about to make. there is a serious trend afoot regarding the electrification of the BIG YELLOW SCHOOL BUS.

[@fffrrraannkk]

That's a mustache of authority right there, fellas.

[@LMB222]

He doesn't know what he's talking about. He can't tell a PHEV from a BEV - don't trust this guy on anything other than fireplace fire.

[@sandraboyd7468]

What happens to the health of people evacuating buses giving of toxic fumes from the lithium ion battery?

[@theairstig9164]

Nothing good. Cobalt soot causes life long damage to immune and respiratory systems. Even if it just gets on your skin. LFP batteries give off a lot of CO which is flammable. The solvent converts to hydro flouric acid and hydrogen. HF is pretty much the worst of acids. The hydrogen makes an explosive atmosphere.

[@johnready630]

Just wait till we have electric fire trucks !! 😬

[@Carl_in_AZ]

🔌🔌We have electric fire trucks in Arizona along with school buses. The first school buses went into service in 2019 using Cummins EV power trains. So far running well and has shown significant cost savings in maintenance and fuels.🔌🔌

[@johnsmith7676]

@@Carl_in_AZ Significant cost savings? If you believe that, you'll believe anything the charlatans tell you.

[@willrouse2351]

Keep it up. Good videos 👍.

[@StacheDTraining]

Thanks 👍

[@rdhudon7469]

Ottawa, Canada they just dropped over 900 million in electric busses . They will be rolling them out over the next few years . We could be doomed as a species with this level of collective stupidity .

[@Kampala69]

And on 13 March 2024, despite everything, a bus company in Norwich, England, has announced spending £millions on an electric fleet and charging infrastructure. Good luck to them

[@lushnads]

Yeah and the crap they put in the Norfolk magazine to help push it was ridiculous.

[@NeutronStar-r7r]

Batteries in the roof of a bus. What could possibly go wrong with that.

[@jimdevlin4949]

I wonder how much insurance costs will rise for all of us because of this stupidity.

[@chrislee7392]

The bus fire you said was in London was in a bus garage in a town north of London called potters bar ( my home town)

[@LMB222]

He doesn't know what he's talking about. First, the buses in London are too old to be battery operated - they are hybrids. Yes, there *is* a difference, the batteries on hybrids (HEVs) are much smaller and of a different type than battery vehicles (BEVs) - still lithium, but different physically, so that they can take the "abuse" of constant charging and discharging. Why did they burn? I don't know, but knowing their age and UK's brilliant economic situation at the moment I'd say maintenance was delayed.

[@chrislee7392]

@@LMB222 it is obvious you have never been to London as new busses have been added to the fleet every every month since the 1980s you need to get your facts right we have about 20 fully electric busses based in potters bar and more battery busses are added each month to the whole fleet, nearly all central London routs have battery powered busses i know as i work for metro one of the operator's for Transport for London

[@Treshar]

Seems to me like the problem is solving itself. I just hope no people are injured in the process.

[@RickBelt]

Thank you for preserving the environment!

[@timingenkamp3973]

I grew up in the 1970's during the production run of the Ford Pinto. The Pinto gained fame because if it was rear ended, there was a chance the fuel tank would rupture, spilling fuel and causing a fire. I believe 29 people died and several more were injured, but the government stepped up and ordered safety agencies to conduct tests to find out why, and what to do to prevent any more problems. I find it strange that there seem to be many times that many deaths due to EV fires and yet the government is embracing them like they're mankind's last great hope for salvation. EVs have issues charging when it's very cold, have to use "cabin overheat protection" which will turn the AC on while it's sitting doing nothing and continue using electricity until it cools off, or the battery reaches 20% power left. With a battery pack which contains several thousands of individual cells, all it takes is a flaw in one battery to start a thermal runaway. I saw a video of a man driving in Canada when his car died in traffic, lost all power, and locked the man inside. 5-10 seconds later, the car started filling with toxic gases, and the man managed to break the driver's side window, crawl out, and scramble away just before the car was engulfed in flames.

[@zig_ziggy]

Current generation EV's are proving themselves unfit for purpose, which is why EV sales have tanked everywhere. Most politician's and members of WEF drive large diesel or petrol driven vehicles and attend Davos in their private jets.

[@electricsnut]

Anything that makes EVs seem unsafe or risky in any way is suppressed by media / corporate etc because they have bet everything on this green garbage. Meanwhile they even charge EV buses off generators out of public sight because the grid cannot supply power needed for them…

[@mikldude9376]

Yeah I saw that , the whole EV thing is a big scam , it seems politicians see some idealistic idea that's sold to them by people with an agenda , and the dopey politicians just follow blindly with out looking at any of the pros and cons or the overall picture. Clearly while some EVs do have some good points, they have a whole bunch of bad points. And what's worse is they continue with ridiculous mandates that are putting conventional car makers slowly out of business , all the while pushing the general public to use an inferior technology, that costs more , is less safe and does not last as long. You really couldn't make this shit up .

[@EE16SVT]

its all about making money. The consequences dont matter, the money has already been made.

[@MrAdopado]

"have to use "cabin overheat protection" which will turn the AC on while it's sitting doing nothing and continue using electricity until it cools off, or the battery reaches 20% power left. " is a Tesla feature which has nothing to do with keeping the battery cool. It exists as an emergency feature in case an animal or child has been left in the car. The reason this feature isn't in combustion engined cars is because you need the engine to be running if you have the AC on.

[@demil3618]

Trouble with stored electricity is that it will always have a tendency to suddenly discharge a power potential which does not exist with liquid fuels that can be contained comparatively well.

[@DeborahJDow]

We're worried here in San Francisco, as our city leaders decided to convert all their ferries crossing the Bay, to be electric battery powered just like the public buses you've shown us of which many around the world have caught on fire unexpectedly. This too could be a costly mistake that in cutting the carbon footprint we end up killing ourselves. I don't want to be on one of those ferries.

[@StacheDTraining]

We have a similar thing happening soon in Michigan.

[@warrenbuchanan2718]

with all the things we have developed since about WW2 or so, like radar , microvave ovens, cellular phones, bluetooth, lasers, etc. , i think it's amazing that they can't even make some kind of battery, other than lead-acid batteries which have been around a long time and do not have nearly the size-to-output power of something like a lilthium-ion battery that is completely safe. and chargers for them that work right, that will not overcharge the battery . seems ridiculous really

[@kenchorney2724]

0:30 So green!

[@xenasloan6859]

Hi, any difference with different lithium chemistry now used?

[@voice.of.reason]

No

[@LMB222]

Not at the moment, the technology is stable and safe enough - regardless of what the boomer is trying to claim.

[@zorkonthegreat5879]

You're statistically way safer in a Ford Pinto.

[@oldgrumpus8523]

Could have mentioned the Potters Bar bus depot fire in May 2022. It is thought that at least four and up to seven hybrid EV buses went up in flames.

[@CrusaderSports250]

How do they not know the exact number, it should have been a relatively simple thing to work out, even for a government department. 😊

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Could have mentioned the Potters Bar bus depot fire in May 2022." 2:06

[@zz449944]

Lesson for fleet managers: Keep the old buses around -- place them in storage somewhere -- do not sell them. There is every reason to believe that you will need to put your old buses back into service when the new alternative energy ones fail.

[@DTD110865]

Or, just make sure the new ones won't be electric.

[@EE16SVT]

yes but that's common sense and no one has that any more.

[@zz449944]

Fleet Managers do NOT always get the final say on which vehicles are purchased. When there is government grant money floating around and politics is involved, the fleet manager may be forced to accept whatever buses the transit authority bosses decide to purchase.

[@gusjones9388]

Great video. Great info. Thanks

[@alpharomeogtv]

Norwich in the UK has just deployed a huge fleet of EV buses. Any takers for date first bus catches fire?

[@LMB222]

What make are the buses? Poznan is running electric buses (not exclusively), and there have been no accidents. The UK doesn't have that level of technical culture, so I'd expect fires…

[@teardowndan5364]

Daily deep-cycling in a high-intensity (heavy vehicle) acceleration/regen application tends to do that to batteries with the slightest defect in them. Batteries make more sense as a transient load device coupled with a diesel or gasoline power plant providing baseline load for normal driving conditions (probably around 50kW for an urban bus, 80kW for highway routes) and heat in winter. If you only need 1/5th the battery capacity by going hybrid, you don't need to push energy density to the razor edge of electro-chemical stability.

[@krakatoa1200]

I was a milkman for a few months, we had electric milk floats they only did about 8mph flat out, but never caught fire

[@raypitts4880]

yea what batteries ton of sulfuric acid

[@dennisg.7498]

Somebody is going to make millions designing some sort of system that opens your garage door and pushes the electric vehicle out in the driveway if it detects a fire in the garage.

[@dstout9176]

The most logical thing is stick with what works best gas and diesel GOD CONTROLS THE WEATHER man cannot stop it no matter what he does

[@mikecimerian6913]

Thermal runaway is intrinsic to the battery technology. A scientist called it thermodynamic imbalance.

[@ElwoodEBlues]

It's not the technology but one technology the problematic one is called lithium ion battery. It's the type that catches fire when it overheats. It can't be put out because it produces oxygen internally. Never use that on a car or bus, or in your home. If available prefer European or American batteries over Chinese types as long as they don't use Lithium ion technology. Lithium is not the problem. Cobalt oxide is.

[@mikecimerian6913]

@@ElwoodEBlues Lithium ion was implicit.

[@1globe]

What app is referred to ~ 06:42 ('EB rescue app' or similar). Please can anyone provide a reference! 💙💛

[@StacheDTraining]

autorescueapp.com/index.html

[@erniemenard7727]

I figured I'd hear 'BYD' during this video. The Chinese Chrysler.

[@Trainfan1055Janathan]

1:56 As someone who drives CNG buses, that frightened me.

[@maxwellblackwell5045]

The fire started in the hvac system? So heating elements? Heating elements that wouldn't be in an ICE vehicle because they use engine heat for the climate control systems. This is all so stupid.

[@StacheDTraining]

I don't know what's used in London, but here they use diesel heaters.

[@marcrj8111]

Just a little observation: True, 3 EV buses in 3 days in London, HOWEVER, at least one of those buses burned at the parking of their terminal and was responsible for burning many more diesel buses parked beside it. We will soon see academics using stats and numbers to tells us "more diesel" city buses burned in 2024 than EVs.

[@paulslater9061]

They're just not safe end of storey

[@christophercharles3169]

Is it safe to say there there are more EV bus fires than ICE bus fires?

[@Steve1766]

Trolleybuses are more reliable

[@nopel.]

Maby, but they were engineered by brits, so I don't know

[@Jack-pu4rf]

The problem for me is the way they burn they are exploding if you were a passenger on a burning bus you would be lucky to get out alive, even after they have been put out they can reignite, this is not going to work it's dangerous.

[@dannycrooks8462]

As a truck mechanic covering 24hr call out 90% the phone range for call out 3am it seems universal 😂😂😂

[@Carlos-im3hn]

The insurance companies will provide guidance. In Norway...the Norwegian shipping company Havila Kystruten will no longer allow electric cars on board its ships, according to Norwegian Television NRK. The consequences of an electric car fire are considered too severe, states the company.

[@LMB222]

Havila bans electric cars but other ferry companies just demand that the battery compartment be in a safe state.

[@squishedfrog99-gp4qq]

Why do EVangelists keep ignoring this evidence?

[@SteppingR]

in there mind ...the newest toy is the best thing in the world

[@phillyphil1513]

Q: Why do EVangelists keep ignoring this evidence? A: Cognitive Dissonance (ref: "Denial is a helluva drug"). okay now let's all have the courage to read this except from the Wikipedia together, so we may better understand what this dysfunction we have as Human Beings is about: "Coping with the nuances of contradictory ideas or experiences is mentally stressful. It requires energy and effort to sit with those seemingly opposite things that all seem true. Festinger argued that some people would inevitably resolve the dissonance by blindly believing whatever they wanted to believe..."

[@Bobrogers99]

I'd want to know where these batteries were made. It seems that the percentage of buses that have battery fires is much greater than the percentage of EVs that have battery fires.

[@TheJon2442]

No doubt they will rollout a fire chief to confirm all bus fires are in fact Diesel, allegedly!

[@alanwhite6293]

Oh, you mean like they did with the Luton Airport car park fire????

[@georgewilder7423]

Amazing!! How come we didn't hear about this in worldwide msm ??

[@Pyjamarama11]

Brisbane's forthcoming Metro is battery powered I'll get the marshmallows ready

[@JUNGLEISMASSIVE.]

This is great content !!

[@lgroves336]

Buses? Even many more cars... lol

[@orchidhouse297]

Regardless of where the fire starts, once the battery catches on fire it feeds itself with the oxygen inside the battery and becomes a thermal runaway. The white cloud released is mainly explosive gasses that can create a powerful explosion. Water can make it more intense. All that can sensibly be done is to prevent spread as it burns out until the oxygen is all consumed.

[@HansCSchellenberg]

All the BEV apologists saying "But but gasoline powered bussescatch fire too!" Oh yeah, can you see the gasoline bus fires from orbit?

[@erikwinkelman4668]

You couldn’t GIVE me an electric vehicle.

[@kennydude7971]

Great information

[@hnsmani1391]

The problem with Lithium is it is a very tricky metal to handle.The process of making a Lithium battery is quite elaborate and expensive.slightest impurity in the compounds causes short circuit overheating and fire

[@strikeryachts]

Safety first.

[@krakatoa1200]

What happens to all of the polluted water after putting the fire out/

[@andrewb8548]

My dad worked for the phone company, and water got in the control box of the bucket truck, swung him 6 inches under 1200 pair cable, broke his spine. Couple inches higher, hed have been cut in half.

[@Sharon-marie]

Look at the ridiculous amount of batteries needed per bus how is this good for the environment

[@ElectricEvan]

Excuse me but you have the battery design in the CT Transit bus wrong. 1/3 of the battery is behind the rear bumper with marginal if any protection from a collision. Look at the NTSB report

[@xelamas1able]

1800 chemical experiments driving around the city. These are ticking time bombs set to explode randomly...

[@Trainboy1EJR]

Look at all that ZERO EMISSIONS! XD

[@David-d4k9k]

A most uplifting video.

[@chrissmith2114]

These EV fires make firefighters yearn for the 'good old ICE fire' that was easily extinguished and tended to happen during the day when vehicles were being used....

[@dwayne7356]

Battery fires caused by physical damage may be a myth since these roof mounted batteries are catching on fire. For cars, the manufacturers are blaming drivers for running over things or charging.

[@angeley3756]

The fire in the London bus depot was a E200 cause was the heaters at the front shorting out during charging and not near the batteries.