Electric Vehicles Make No Sense..

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Couldn't agree more Choppsy - as commuter bikes, scooters and small EV's make sense (cars and bikes) but anything out of town the infrastructure, the range, the non-green manufacture and generation costs, the non-standardisation of chargers and apps, it all adds up to a pile of pants. Unless I move into a city I can't see me buying an electric bike until forced! Great vid - you and Bruce saying it how it is.....

[@LambChopRides]

Thanks Andy 👍

[@michaelhart5886]

Now imagine the huge distances we travel in Australia to go from one capital city to another interstate capital city and you'll see what a joke EV's make even more

[@DingRawD]

@@michaelhart5886 watching Missendenflyer's recent Canadian road trip. It looked like there was a fuel station every 100-200 miles so if you're out around those parts then you'll suffer on electric

[@1990-t1j]

Well said, TMF.

[@s4m130]

Give it time you two. There will be battery recycling. There will be better manufacturing. There will be greener electricity. You can't do all those things without the cars being produced to incentivise improvement. The tax incentives help the market grow and improvement will inevitably come.

[@paulblackburn8746]

Totally agree with you and I do speak from personal experience having owned an Electric car for six months and due to broken chargers or cars parked in them when the changing is complete they are totally impractical for extended time constrained journeys. Mine had a range of 149 miles so basically it was like being on a tether of 70 miles so you could have enough power to get you back to your home charger.. I now drive a petrol powered car again.

[@pistonburner6448]

At least you didn't need to have your EV fixed: when I've had faults in my EV and hybrid I've had to take them to the dealership further away, not my nearest one and then wait _many weeks_ for the several categories of "EV specialists" to be available! The other mechanics aren't even allowed to touch EVs and hybrids! Then it was a week of diagnostics and they went back-and-forth with the factory as everything seemed so new to them. Then another week of waiting for the new parts. Then installation. So both EV and hybrid needed about a month to get fixed (and in my region there usually isn't any delay in getting such major car repairs done so high demand-to-supply is not a factor). With EVs and hybrids you _have to_ have them under warranty, because if I would've had to pay for the major systems that broke on my EV and hybrid and the massive amounts of labour needed to fix them, replace the modules and parts I'd be bankrupt! The guys were so nonchalant: "Oh yeah, if you have this fault in the cooling system we need to dismantle half your car, replace a major system. We've seen this sometimes. Oh, how many of these cars are in the country? Only a few dozen. Yes, we've seen several cases from those few dozen cars. Don't worry though, you're still under warranty and so are all those company car drivers still using these cars." And: "Oh, yeah, after countless hours of diagnostics we got word from the factory that we need to replace all these super-expensive EV modules completely as they can't be worked on. We just remove these expensive modules and put in new ones. Yeah, this happens pretty often actually, just some over-voltage-spike during charging and the module breaks." Good luck to anyone owning these things when they're out of warranty...and even older meaning they're even more likely to develop faults...

[@paulblackburn8746]

@@pistonburner6448 I was very lucky that mine worked ok but I am annoyed that I managed to get out of it with a loss of £3000

[@fivespeed3026]

@@pistonburner6448 You described my experience with Zero back in 2018 when the battery died on my 3 year old bike. The only difference is you can triple the amount of time it was at the dealership.

[@nickg2431]

good man

[@blacksmithsligo]

I feel your pain John. I've been an environmentalist since I was in Copner Middle School, (That's a long time ago, in a reality far far away) and the electric car push has nothing to do with the environment. It's about corporate greed. If you want to carry on being a motorist and help the environment, just keep driving your current vehicle for it's 25 year life span. Failing that, look after your bike and pass it on to another rider to enjoy.

[@iainamurray]

"Nothing to do with the environment". Can you actually hear yourself?

[@martinhughes9769]

I use to work in the Welsh coal industry early 1970s till the 90s government was trying out a system that could take out most of the crap when burning coal ,the horrible Thatcher scraped it just to shut down the British Coal industry, yet we've been buying coal from South America Russia and Australia since the 1970s and was still bringing coal in from Russia when the war in Ukraine started in Wales alone we have over 400 years of coal left if we went deeper 1000 years supply,

[@normandagger7542]

@@martinhughes9769 Yes, we buy it now, but our coal is still there to be mined when the rest of the world's supply has run out. It will be worth a fortune then and Coal will be king again.

[@blacksmithsligo]

@@iainamurray yes I can. It's a product that is more environmentally damaging than the one it's replacing. Under the premise that it's more environmentally sound. But if you tell people only the poorly educated would disagree, millions will put themselves in debt to show how educated they are.

[@iainamurray]

@@blacksmithsligo Except it absolutely isn't. I'm not saying it's perfect. Far from it. It's considerably better that fossil fuels for a number of reasons.

[@mrcintheuk4641]

I always smile when someone eventually wakes up to reality. None of this is hindsight, it just had to be thought through with a modicum of intelligence at the beginning! Of course, as I'm fully aware from working for 40 years in a corporation, highlighting facts is always considered obstructive and negative, especially when someone has already made the decision!!!

[@iainamurray]

Opinions aren't facts.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@iainamurray Your cult (which is manipulated by the corrupt) is not reality.

[@iainamurray]

@@pistonburner6448 You think I'm in a cult because I demand accuracy and facts with consensus scientific backing, but you're not because a guy on KZbin told you? Sure. Why not.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@iainamurray No you didn't, don't lazily lie again. You only snarkily said "opinions aren't facts". You're full of it.

[@iainamurray]

@@pistonburner6448 You are too tedious. I'm muting you.

[@pistonburner6448]

With motorcycles electric makes even less sense, as they don't have the space or budget to have proper heavy-duty full liquid cooling and heating systems for the battery and the electronics! That means the battery and the vehicle will not perform well in so many situations, and Lambchops is absolutely right: the battery's health will also suffer and it will degrade as well. The world already has over 10 years of experience with Nissan Leaf's batteries which are similarly insufficiently cooled&heated, massively degrading them quickly and providing absolutely dismal performance whenever the battery's temps are out of optimal. (My EV was not a Leaf, it was a top-tech one) I'd like to add the invisible huge deficit: EVs already waste a lot more electricity than advertised during charging, with Germans at ADAC having measured the _best_ one to 'only' waste 10% in losses during slow charging! And that's slow charging with the battery at optimal temps, with no cabin or battery heating included in the figure! Now add how fast charging easily multiplies those charging losses, then add how the battery being at non-optimal temperature can multiply those losses, how needing cabin heating & battery heating will draw massive amounts of electricity... Well, at least with motorcycles you don't need that cabin heating...and with most of them the charging times are dismal (no doubt because of the lacking heat management in addition to the cost, weight, etc.). Batteries simply need to constantly be kept at their optimal operating temperature, they are huge lumps of minerals which need massive cooling & heating, and they have massive losses and consumption even despite such systems. So I don't think it makes sense in a car even, especially not a hybrid just to operate a small battery, let alone a motorcycle! If the battery is not at optimum temps you're losing efficiency too, your consumption goes through the roof both when driving and also the losses go sky high when charging! Oh, and heating up that big lump constantly, every day, costs a lot of energy too and it's inefficient! Then there's the overall EV scam: -It costs Europe TRILLIONS(!!!) to redo all the electric grid work needed to support even a proportion of cars as EVs! -It costs another many TRILLION to cover the much higher price of the EVs and all the reworking of all the factories and their production systems, with manufacturers still not even breaking even with these crazy prices! No, they still operate on 'future profits' = subsidies & tax breaks etc. from the government to the companies, and the fact that many countries have insanely high subsidies for customers too, plus insane punitive taxes and tariffs on all alternatives -It costs further TRILLIONS to manufacture, install, maintain and periodically replace MILLIONS of chargers! (Think of the CO2 from all that too!) Having developed tech for EV charging and knowing people in the industry I can say Lambchops is right: chargers aren't lasting anywhere near as long as people originally thought! All this for what? Even the pro-EV fraudulent studies (I have read all the studies) cannot show EVs to significantly reduce CO2 emissions compared to fossil-only powered ICE cars! All the science proves that manufacturing EVs causes so much CO2 emissions that they just never win it back over their life. At least not enough to result in any meaningful difference to ICE cars. Face it: even the greenie pro-EV figures prove without doubt that people driving less than ~5K miles per year for sure emit less with an ICE car than an EV! That's a huge percentage of cars guaranteed to be greener as ICE! That also means that a huge percentage of drivers will have about the same effect on the environment whether they drive an ICE or EV! _Even the pro-EV figures tell us that approximately 70% at the very least will not make any noticeable positive difference by driving an EV instead of an ICE car_ Motorcycles are driven even less per year than cars are, and the lower-tech solutions mean they are even less efficient and have more losses so the situation is even worse for electric motorcycles compared to ICE than it is with cars. And the pro-EV study figures are fraudulent. I've read all the studies and I've only found one to be nearly honest and provide true, representative numbers for ICEs. But they all ignore the true, much higher consumption figures of EVs and they use the untrue on-paper reported figures or some which compensate slightly for them do not do it nearly enough to represent reality. I mean one of the most quoted EV vs. ICE lifetime emissions studies had the gall to use an ancient naturally aspirated 2-litre gasoline engine as the representative for ICE engines!! We all know how outdated such an engine is in the car world. It's not that naturally aspirated engines would really be that inefficient, it's just that due to flawed regulations no-one has made an updated engine of that type in probably over a decade! And so far we've only compared EV to fossil fuel powered ICE!! To get a true comparison for EVs we'd have to compare them to ICE vehicles running on at least partial low-emissions fuels as it's certain we could run at a high percentage of such fuels in a very rapid time. That could be achieved if we'd just use a fraction of those trillions now being forced into EVs into those low-emissions non-fossil ICE fuels instead. Fuels like: -E-fuels: just needs large enough scale of production, and needs prototype facilities build first and before serious expansion. Still, all this costs a fraction of what EVs cost us and all cars can IMMEDIATELY go low-emissions. Bosch & Shell have already announced the price of their _first small-scale_ production: 2€/liter including tariffs and taxes! That's nothing compared to the massive cost of EVs! -Biodiesel: already economically viable, only certified low-emissions, non-food-production-replacing raw material sources need to be increased. Many refineries already produce biodiesel from certified waste products. -Biomethane: already viably used but supply of raw materials is the only constraint, cars need an upgrade costing ~£2000-4000, cars so equipped can also run on natural gas which is slightly more eco-friendly than gasoline & diesel, and another positive is how the fuel itself is actually often cheaper instead of more expensive than gasoline&diesel! -Bioethanol: raw material supply is limited and slightly problematic in many cases as damaging to food production, cars also need a relatively cheap upgrade to use this fuel and some car models would need very expensive modifications With all above mentioned solutions the transition is easy, there is no range anxiety: all cars can run on the above fuels and also on gasoline/diesel as before. As already today with E5 and E10 fuels as well as diesels and the different methane gases the fuels can even be mixed in different ratios. ICE cars and motorcycles can be made to be lower in emissions than EVs just by filling up the tank with better fuel! So they go green _immediately_ as opposed to after decades of producing EVs for everyone. (My family members have already been driving on new-gen biodiesel for years, meaning their diesel car is far lower in emissions than any EV, and the price is only a few cents more per litre) We could keep driving on fossil fuels until we have nuclear plants (and far-away off-grid renewable plants) pumping out clean e-fuels. In the mean time we can do _more_ for the climate by investing just a fraction of what EVs cost us into actually effective emissions reductions like insulating our homes / building a new efficient homes, installing a heat pump...and we'd GET OUR MONEY BACK from the savings those measures give us! You don't even lose that money when intelligently investing into lowering emissions! People are being straight up lied to. This is one of the biggest corruption schemes in history. Everyone should listen to Bjorn Lomborg, the most rational environmentalist who searches for sensible solutions which actually work, improving our environmental work while ensuring we don't condemn millions of people into misery and death with our 'solutions'! I bet Mr. Lomborg would tell us to leave EVs alone, rather keep driving on fossil fuels and just pay a far lower price of £2,000-10,000 per head over the next several years (depending on income) towards more sensible carbon-reducing investments elsewhere than on transportation. We'll have a better understanding on how to tackle transportation emissions and perhaps already a ready solution of e-fuels in ten years' time.

[@JpOcDenver]

Bravo

[@SKBKER]

What are you on about . They are cooled just fine . The only issue is the weight of the battery but in time that will reduce .

[@pistonburner6448]

@@SKBKER Why didn't you mention heating? Because you are a dishonest cultist trying to push an agenda instead of honestly discussing this subject. You are also lying about the weight: you claim to know that the weight will be reduced and you lie that you know it will be reduced even though you do not know that it will be reduced. Furthermore this LiveWire's battery weight will not be reduced, it is sold with that weight, and same applies to all other electric motorcycles. Even if later on a new battery model would be introduced, it will not be offered for free but instead it will cost very much to have the new battery installed. On top of the already ridiculously high price of the bike. There is an epidemic of people using future predictions to lie about current tech, the standing of the current tech etc. It started from that being used by con-artists like Elon Musk, and spread from there into the masses of spineless people who also like to use lies to their own personal advantage. The trick is to conflate fantasies of the future with current tech or pretend that it would be tech already 'in the pipeline'. Then mixing in and purposefully confusing people with the use of non-existent things to defend poorly performing real, actually existing things they're trying to sell. Not even cars with massively more sophisticated and heavy-duty cooling manage to keep their batteries cooled, so I suspect neither will that Harley despite their huge (and expensive) efforts to give it lots of cooling. Other electric motorcycle brands surely can't. As for heating: I doubt that bike has sufficient heating, and even with a proper heating system the need to heat those big lumps of battery is a huge waste of energy. Cars like Teslas use 7kW of power just to heat the battery in preparation for charging (there is video evidence of Teslas heating with the full 7kW for over 30 minutes before and during charging even after a long time of high-power driving!!). Huge waste of energy. And when the battery is too cold during riding or charging that absolutely skyrockets the consumption/charging losses! And it will often get too hot too. It inevitably will often be out of optimal temperature. Motorcycles simply are standing there unused so much, with the battery needing to manage its own heat the whole time, losing charge...and are ridden so few miles overall, with avg riding distance is so low for which the battery needs to heat itself and then afterwards cool itself every single time!! It all results in such horrible efficiency that it makes no sense. EV cultist children and low-IQ uneducated adults think EVs are simple and the concepts needed to be known and considered are simple. In reality the subject is incredibly complicated, has countless variables. All the different variables need to be understood, under many different conditions, their relative effects on each other need to be understood, and then you need to tie in all that into a wholistic understanding...and then compare it to the massively complicated totality of all other comparative alternatives.

[@SKBKER]

@@pistonburner6448 and you are a biased ignorant petrol head . I work with batteries and know the weight differences of li po and lithium . I also know about solid state batteries . So again your ignorance and pathetic 'justification' shows .

[@pistonburner6448]

@@SKBKER Again you're lying and now also slandering with empty, untrue insults. What you spew is pure nonsense, child. LiPo and solid state has nothing to do with any electric motorcycle on sale now, or the ones we're discussing. You playing with RC cars etc. does not make you an expert nor make what you spewed true. You reading fantasy-blogs of EV-cultists does not make solid state batteries appear into any real electric motorcycles. Maybe you should also read what I've written so you don't out yourself as an illiterate, lazy, liar nut job: I have already told everyone here that I've spent a large amount of my own money years and years ago to buy an EV, and I've also owned (fully owned, not leased) several modern PHEVs. I also know a lot about the industry and I've worked on developing charging technology. I can also tell you now that for several years already one of my most often used methods of transportation is an electric two-wheeled machine...it's just not a full-on motorcycle.

[@coolaun]

A few facts: Battery degradation is not 3% to 4% a year. In December 2019, Geotab published data from an analysis of 6,300 fleet and consumer electric vehicles. Average battery degradation was 2.3% per year. And that includes many older cars with less efficient battery management than more recent ones: most sources estimate that the batteries in modern EVs lose less than 2% a year. Electric vehicles will do much more than 80,000 miles in their lifetime. In most countries the battery is guaranteed for 100,000 miles/160,000 km, and you will easily find EVs that have done over 200,000 km and are still going strong. Consumer Reports estimates the lifespan of a typical EV at 200,000 miles/320,000 km. If you look at the Volvo study, you will see that Volvo actually calculated that, when using a typical European electricity mix, their EV would reach the point where it started emitting less total CO2 than an equivalent petrol car at approx. 77,000 km (around 48,000 miles). If the electricity mix is carbon-neutral, the break-even point happens earlier, at around 49,000 km or about 30,000 miles. There are many more factual errors in this video: I won't make a whole list, but anybody who is really interested in finding out the truth of the matter can research for themselves. Yes, these things need to be discussed, but for the discussion to be meaningful you need correct facts first.

[@h2489-m2l]

I agree 100%. The throw away society is mental. I respect the integrity of the Polestar report even more given its coming from an electric car producer.

[@Banditmanuk]

At last someone with some influence in the motorcycle world dares to speak the truth. Adam Child at MCN gave the Zero adventure bike 4 stars in his review, what a joke! Had panniers fitted as well. There was massive interest at the Stafford Bike Show just to hear those old bikes started. Old bikes can be fettled and kept going, that's got to be more green than manufacturing new electric. Even KZbin channel Mark Travels who is trying to ride around the world on an electric bike has had to return to Berlin for a new battery in his bike.

[@alanwrigley8156]

Marc would probably be being more environmentally friendly using the old dominator for his around the world trip, once he gets the engine sorted

[@KnoxArmour]

That 2 stoke sound on the intro may have been intentional 👌 🔥 😂

[@LambChopRides]

Haha it was 😁👍

[@davep6286]

The sound that rocks our souls👌🤔

[@Liberty4Ever]

Other than overstating the landfill toxicity of solar panels, I've been making all of the same points about electric vehicles. Great low cost low maintenance and fun commuting vehicles (and that's most of the miles for most people), but rubbish for anything needing any range. Marketing electric ADV bikes was my trigger point. As an electrical engineer I'm predisposed to like electric stuff. I'd buy an e-bike, electric commuter scooter or electric dual sport to use as an urban assault vehicle, but I have no interest in an electric bike for day rides, touring, adventure riding, etc.

[@BiglumpADV]

Totally agree Chops. Electric vehicles are a money making fad. It's pointless to replace a non-renewable source with another, simply swapping oil for lithium does nothing. For me, synthetic fuel or hydrogen is the option. Synthetic can be used in all current petrol vehicles with ZERO emission due to how the fuel is made. That means if we look after the vehicle we have, and run them on the synthetic fuel then that drops the carbon output down to manufacture of spare parts etc. Looking after the planet is not sorted by constantly buying new vehicles, despite emissions...

[@tractioncontroldelete]

The truth should never be considered disrespectful. Thank you for having the bravery to speak on EVs 💪

[@MickH60]

It's a factless opinion mate, nothing more...

[@barney3417]

WELL SAID JOHN ,Buy electric vehicles is like the government saying Diesel is best !!!!!! I saw that a lady tried to trade in her Nissan Leaf after 8 years and the dealer said that they didn't want it as it had NO VALUE now !!! as to replace the battery was more that the value of the car !!

[@blearyview2254]

My wife thought it was me ranting haha and you are so right. More folk need to wake up and realise how wrong much of this stuff is. I was out with some mates last week and last time we were together one of them one of them was looking to buy an electric car, he now says he is not getting one. At least he realised the issues before he wasted his cash.

[@KnutJMo-ek2mw]

I have come to the same conclusion, but have felt alone until now. The truth is sad and has nothing to do with environmental protection.

[@pjgoblin3435]

Totally agree.... you didn't even get on to the price of all these electric vehicles. Well out of range of the average working class.

[@pistonburner6448]

That, and the subsidies alone make EVs worse for the environment: a nation's emissions reduction is most tied to their wealth. That is a statistical fact. If you reduce the nation's and people's wealth they have less to invest in actually effective emissions reduction. Buy a cheap, lightweight ICE car, save yourself at least 10K, save the nation at least 10K in subsidies, save yourself and everyone probably 10K in grid work costs, save yourself and everyone 10K in electric charging grid construction & maintenance costs. Just put your 10K cash saved by not buying electric into insulating your home, installing a heat pump or something. That will actually reduce emissions. And it makes that money back in time too, so you not only get all the above mentioned savings compared to EVs but you get your 10K back too!

[@nickrider5220]

100 % with you Chopsy 👍 The amount of BS, hypocrisy and short-sightedness is unbelievable with 'green energy ' and ev vehicles. I'm a great supporter of our environment and our fellow animals, but with 8 billion people we can't afford to have another glacial period - so much for zero carbon emissions etc etc ! We can't go backwards anymore. I'm going to have a beer to forget things !

[@Gorbyrev]

Nuclear power was pioneered in the UK. If we had invested half of what we ploughed into solar and wind we would not be having an energy crisis this winter. Germany's CO2 emissions have increased as solar and gas replaced nuclear because natural gas is needed to backfill low wind and low sun conditions. This increased Europe's dependency on Russian gas. How is that working out for us?

[@sharagan]

You are completely on point with your views. Plus, most of the electricity nowadays is generated with the help of burning coal, gas or other stuff.

[@ENLSN77]

Other stuff being household waste. I no longer recycle my rubbish as I'm not getting paid for my time and effort. The final straw with my council was when they started charging to take away the green waste wheely bins.

[@sharagan]

@@ENLSN77 many times the waste separation is not recycling, but intended to improve the burning process, true....I also meant the cow shit being used for methane, which is burned instead of being used on the fields. and then they use synthetic fertilizers instead....

[@JEmmertz]

I'm with you on this! If we instead could harvest the energy coming from all politicians broken promises, and/or the foul air coming out of lobbyists, then we could supply energy to the entire world and there would be no lack in charging points... I've been a firm believer in fuel cells since the mid 80's, but once again, it comes down to a lacking infrastructure. I think you have as much as a dozen charging stations across the entire UK. That is not much, even if you have a very decent range from such a vehicle. We'll probably all end up as landfill long before this situation is solved, but the discussion is extremely important to have along the way. Even if we all don't agree.

[@muzzy1912]

I'll just leave this here (todays prices, without grant/deals): Electric: Energica Experia Tourer: £ 27, 790. Zero SRS Tourer: £ 22,240. Energica Eva (sport tourer): £ 24,590 ICE: BMW K1600 GTL (Top spec): £23,110 BMW 1250 GS (top spec): £20,080. Kawasaki Ninja 1000 Performance Tourer (top spec): £14,499. That's a lot of maintenence and petrol you'll have to burn before you even break even. And that's assuming you only need to home charge your bikes- which if you are on any kind of moderate journey you wont have the range to do so. Charging away from home is considerably more expensive.

[@petervautmans199]

I will safe somewhere between 4 and 5000 € a year on fuel and maintenance, so the price difference betwwen Experia and S1000XR is one year, 30000 kms.

[@richardwalmsley7579]

Hi Chops, I bought the Zero FXS for my 40 mile commute as work said I could charge when at work, so had loads of fun on the way to work and going home, soon after they stopped me charging, and I found that the 50mph roads soon took most of my range riding sensibly ! :( I was getting home with 5 mile range left and limited power, any accidents or closed roads on the way would have been disaster, so I had to sell in unfortunatley. My Renault Zoe 50kw was great I did Bristol back to Cleveleys where I live in one shot 226 miles, i found it best NOT to use motorway chargers but drive 1-2 miles to a hotel or pub just off the motorway as no queue and less stress. I try to use A roads and not motorway, I got better range and more relaxing.

[@mktm1290]

I look at this as good news! Clearly it all doesn’t work! Long live the internal combustion engine! From v12’s to v twins to straight 4’s! Love them all

[@rokhnroll]

I watched a Fireman talking about electric vehicle fires and he said 'a normal car fire will take 10,000 litres of water to extinguish', they then tested an electric vehicle fire and it took 40,000 litres to extinguish due to the fact it kept re igniting because of the batteries, it even re ignited when fully submerged under water, what with the UK's '2 days of sun we need a hose pipe ban' I don't think we can afford to put out the electric vehicle fires.............loved the rant, I prefer the no filter approach it clears the air and gets the details out in the open. Thanks for posting. New sub from me.

[@ianmcintyre7342]

A voice in the wilderness, you are right mr chops keep spreading the word 🙏🏻

[@dukiemoto8676]

Yes you’re right on all accounts. This is long so most won’t read it.. The problem is there are a lot of people/voters who just don’t want to look at the reality of electrics and their infrastructures realistic current and foreseeable limitations. When proponents for electrics say stuff like, oh but in 5 to 10 years it’ll be much better, or, they’ll be breakthroughs. We can’t make current and future laws based on what people(think/guess/hope)will be happening in 5 to 10 years from now! If the electric wave continues there will be no more spur of the moment adventures past 100 miles. Longer ones will have to be well planned out from charge station to charge station every 50-100 miles with 45 minutes to an hour wait time at each. Most humans will have to live in cities. Our world will become very controlled and very very small.

[@ninja12lawbreaker]

Al Fagan found a good use for electric bikes. . . Trials riding, smooth delivery, no fiddly gear changes over obstacles, i think he's probably right. I finally have my Superduke R though and very happy

[@sketchness8400]

I appreciated the 2 stoke symphony during your intro. Music to the ears and the intent was not lost.

[@shaunperry2024]

You've just said in your video, what the majority of free thinking people believe. Well done on delivering the harsh reality of the unrealistic future of the motor industry.

[@FenTour]

Dear oh dear... nope batteries do not deteriorate so badly, I have been electric nearly 7 years and have driven and ridden over 150k miles on electric (and another 150k on Petrol and Diesel) . My current car is 4 years old, 105k miles and the battery has degradation by 6 % so far, it is still capable of 300 miles (on a sunny day!) it will eventually plateau out at about 20% loss. Some electric vehicles do not like being charged to 100% you are partly correct, but most cars will tell the driver that they are at 100% but the battery is actually limited to 85-90% without the owner knowing. Battery management is key. As for bikes I have the Ribelle, I dont ride like Bruce but can easily do 80 miles before dropping below 30%, a better range than my CRF300L. Now where I agree with you is that the "whip" to force people into electric cars or on bikes is just wrong... yes CO2 causing global catastrophe is just bollox... Why do I have an electric car for the long journeys? because it is far better than any diesel. Why do I have the Ribelle? Because it is crazy to ride, big smiles; touring nope I will stick with the R1250GS; but for grins the Ribelle is mega. Was I forced? Nope. What will be my next bike? Probably another Harley, most likely a Road Glide or maybe the next GS (when the 1300 arrives) Agree embrace the petrol, but if you can have both then do it; have both. So you are wrong and right, about 50/50 hehe cheers...

[@ChrisAndrews831]

Totally agree Chops, well done for making your thoughts & comments public.

[@ianmott856]

Good on you for having the balls to state what most people already feel even though it could have adverse effects for your channel .Clearly we are not ready for electric vehicles . Range and infrastructure is nowhere near where it needs to be . EV is not for me

[@LeeB132]

Absolutely brilliant, spot on chops, petrol engines have never ever been so clean , its took years to perfect them and now they want to ban them! Madness. Great vid mate.

[@09mantlek]

50cc/125cc electric vehicles make sense as they go around town and it would help someone get a CBT without having to learn gears etc, could concentrate on the road first before moving onto a petrol motorcycle with gears etc. Hybrids also make alot of sense to me as the battery can be used where it can and the engine can be used so you aren't restricted on millage. Kawsaki might be making a 400-600cc parrelel twin hybrid motorcycle I believe which would be in the right direction for me but obviously weight is a major issue.

[@Omsracer1]

COuldn't agree with you more Chopsy. As per usual we are all being told what to do by nameless faceless people who dont know or care to know the first thing about the subject they are committing us to. They will all be gone by the time the ramifications of their choices are left for the population to clean up.

[@kevindarkstar]

Sooo situation normal, all fucked up 😜

[@garybroom8418]

Chopsie, we're with you man, your vlog here should be played in schools - its actual fact, not some utopian dream peddled by politicians, and anyone who's done any research will say the same. You are absolutely correct. Maybe send a copy to Mr Khan Londons current Mayor, who today extended the ULEZ to all areas within the M25 - thanks for that!

[@skts2610]

Here here here😂…Couldn’t agree more Chops! Until they get the infrastructure sorted, the range and charging times sorted, buy petrol/diesel👍🏽

[@chem599]

I 100% agree with you on this one chops! The battery tech is not where it needs to be for this to work. The infrastructure is not in place to make it a real option. The waste they make will only be shown in future when what you talk about now is reported on the biases news. The push is for hybrid cars/bikes/lorries etc, that's the only almost viable option but the batteries needs more power/range etc before that will produce any real world benefits.

[@isaidthephil]

I bought an electric car in March, the battery broke after three months and took 6 weeks to fix. I then got it back and they had damaged the charge port which had to be made specifically for my vin number..... My car was then in the garage for another 12 weeks 😶 Needless to say as soon as I got it back I drove it straight to another dealer and traded it in for a combustion engine again 🤣 I'm now driving a mild hybrid diesel👍 soooooo much better. I'm getting 700 miles to tank instead of a risky 170 miles on a charge

[@twistandgo3414]

Another one in agreement here! the infrastructure and standardisation just isn’t there, especially living in the north east of scotland. if you want to go further than work and back on a time constrained journey, they’re not currently practical. For me, it has be Hydrogen fuel cell or something similar longer term. you could go in to a “fuel station” and just exchange / replace for another. Needs to be standardised in industry and we need to get away from the consumer culture that you so rightly pointed out as essentially, nobody will be able to afford to repair an electric vehicle when they’re out of warranty, let alone get a bank loan for 3k+ to replace the batteries after 3 years. Nice rant and well justified!

[@davidlumley1]

We just all have to accept that the future is going to be very bleak, so get out on your bike and start living in the moment as time waits for no one ☯️

[@pirate4lif3]

I also agree 100% with you and I fear the day where adoption has reached 10-15% and the local power grids and transformers haven't been upgraded. It takes the electricity used in three family of four households to charge one small EV once. And how about the size of charging stations that will be needed to accommodate 30mins "fill ups" instead of 2-3 mins for petrol. Your corner station will have to be the size of a football field. I'm 62 and sticking to petrol till I die.

[@ivorstead1314]

Well done Chopsy, first one to tell it how it is, to many are worried about upsetting manufacturers. Magazines used to be the same, never a bad review for fear if loosing advertising.

[@glennturnbull8568]

The big problem with EV’s is that they are politically driven, not market led. At the dawn of the 20th Century, there were electric vehicles, internal combustion, steam and the good old horse! The market chose ICE. I was at Bury Hill the last sunny Sunday, there was a good 50 or more bikes there. Imagine in 15 years time, and the majority are electric, how many chargers will there be at Bury Hill? Two, four, maybe six? It just won’t work. I have a EV van on the business, it’s due to be renewed early next year, I’ll be ordering a diesel replacement! EV just doesn’t work. Good rant by the way!

[@wattie1050]

100% agree chopsy been saying it for years myself , having worked 40 y rs in power industry , power station to distribution high voltage networks, we need more nuclear power stations to be yes more green !!!! All this airey fairy tale windmill pish is a load of nonsense 👍👍👍👍 just make vehicles more efficient for mpg and don't strangle them .👍

[@dsimon9s29]

Thanks for posting. Glad to see/hear I am not the only nutter out there. I have been trying to figure out how electric cars actually help. Can't come out with an answer. In evaluating the life of the battery, you forgot to consider ambient temperatures. Too hot or too cold and battery range goes kaput as well. Plus to keep batteries charged with what? Coal power plants (don't know about the UK, but in the USA emission regulations are more lenient for power plants than they are for automobiles), natural gas power plants, nuclear plants, or hydroelectric plants? Don't know.

[@keithsbitsandpieces]

Absolutely brilliant Chopsey , You are so right in every respect .. The are not green in anyway, why do people think that the electric prices have gone through the roof , Because if they cant sell petrol they will make the money from charging vehicles instead

[@michaelarchangel1163]

I totally agree with you on this issue. Incidentally, I've owned my motorbike for 17 years, got it with 510 miles on the clock in the summer of 2005 {it now has just over 30,000} and my car from new in 1997, now with 82,600 miles on it. If anything goes wrong with either, I simply get them fixed. The bike does going on for 50 mpg and the car, a turbo diesel, about 54 mpg. The only downside is that the car's road tax is £295 per year and keeps going steadily up, as always.

[@bruceleong9534]

Loved the rant Chops. We vote for and put our trust people like Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and Scott Morrison to “lead our communities into bright new futures”. Corrupt, self serving governments have been around since Caligula was a boy.

[@christopherflesner8095]

Great video and a lot of info that most people don’t ever think about. I work with forklifts all the time and battery degradation is a huge issue. The average lifespan of a forklift battery is only about 4 years and costs about $8000 to replace. Also people need to realize that batteries don’t produce power, they simply store it. That electricity is being produced somewhere else and most likely by fossil fuels anyway. It is just adding extra, and unnecessary cost, not to mention that it is far more inconvenient.

[@davidwhitnall9783]

Totally agree Chopsy, electric vehicles especially motorcycles are =a complete joke. I often see the electric vehicle owners queuing and that some are charging to 100% and also complaining that they will have to pay Road tax from 2025. They are hypocrites that say they want to save the planet so make them pay their full share and they are mostly over 40K so will have to pay the extra luxury tax. I love my motorbike, it has soul and the sound is all part of the experience. I also have a Mustang V8 for the same reason, so keep up the rants. 🤭🤭🤭

[@SPM1966SPM]

Agree with you 100% Chopsy. There's no such thing as an emissions free vehicle, all that's happening is the emissions and damage to the environment are being exported somewhere else, e.g. the countries where the materials are mined. 500,000 pounds of various materials have to be mined to produce one 1000 pound battery; the manufacture of just one car battery can produce between 10 tons to 40 tons of co2. This not even to mention how the materials are mined in certain countries, and the use of child labour. To refer to electric vehicles as the 'green' alternative is absolute nonsense. Great post by the way!

[@bigal5895]

Agree 100%….went to Motorcycle Live at NEC at the weekend…it was noticeable how many manufacturers new and old launching electric bikes were there…depressing🙄

[@iancharlton5530]

Agree Big Al it was depressing and I walked straight past all of the EV stands. They simply do not interest me at all.

[@Burnzi85]

I agree that the subject needs to be discussed and people need to be educated. I believe that the amount of energy waste across everything we use is a problem. Electric powered vehicles may not be the solution to the problem that is climate change. However, they may be one of many steps that lead to a solution. The only way to find success is to try new things and find out what actually works. Its my belief that we all need to be accountable of our actions. I have been trying to ride my bicycle more and cut back on the amount of plastic bottled drinks I consume. I know these changes are insignificant in comparison to the world as a whole, but positive change has to start somewhere.

[@jasonking4209]

Well you just earned my subscription Chopsy. You are exactly right and I couldn't have said it better myself. 👏

[@palerider4015]

Hey Chopsy…loving your work man…top job. In a Utopian world we would have clean, efficient public transport and our personal transport would be a secondary and electric option, where ‘on the go’ charging is the norm and the reliance on batteries are negligible. Deuterium, for example, is the heavy brother of hydrogen and is considered a promising material of the future - because of its wide range of applications: in science, for energy generation, or in the production of pharmaceuticals. However, the extraction of deuterium from its natural isotope mixture is complicated and very, very expensive. Sustainable fuels using carbon capture techniques is already a reality and is being developed….with applications being targeted at motorsport. Test flights of an ICE powered light aircraft using fuel from carbon capture has already been flown. I reference work by Paddy Lowe ( Former F1 Chief Engineer) on this subject, interview on You Tube to view. But that work is ongoing. SO AT PRESENT WE STILL ALL LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD ! The charging infrastructure is insufficient, already closing in on capacity with the relatively small number of people who use EV’s (already in use and/or out of order-increasing waiting times that much more…let’s hope you have endless time to kill !) We need to see an upscaling of some size to ensure there is sufficient resource to cope with the required demand. Add that to the fact that the much eulogised green credentials of electric is questionable, both with the mining for minerals in production and subsequent disposal of them. If all the charging stations that need to be in place are there, from where is the power required going to be generated (bearing mind population increase and therefore increased housing stock with the electricity demands that that entails ?) Certainly not from wind or solar power alone. A sizeable proportion will be from (God forbid) power stations burning fossil fuels and Nuclear energy…not exactly green and clean. The high price of EV’s to buy leading to them being subscription based (a whole can of worms in itself right there I might add), the ever increasing price of electricity, and Govt policy to limit personal transportation use for the masses…..means less folk using the road network and having to rely on public transport. But what about the mass transportation of goods and services for the economy to operate ? IMO it is folly to simply press on with this path of “electric battery powered is the only way to go”…this is the real world and I really can’t see how this is going to work, without there being a viable alternative, running concurrently (no pun intended). Maybe my negativity is unfounded, I will be completely wrong and it’ll work out…however we all have eyes and can think for ourselves. We shouldn’t automatically accept what the Govt tells us is right and all jump onto this dubious bandwagon. Don’t get me wrong, climate change is a fact, I accept we need to move away from our reliance on fossil fuels and we need to change our energy dependency and usage - as part of our actions to make a sustainable future. But it just seems to me that anything the Politicians get on board with and enforce into place usually ends up a pile of shite. I’m not holding my breath, although a lot of people will I suspect be holding onto their petrol cars for as long as possible through the deadline, unless drastic breakthroughs are made.

[@lpete531]

WOW, you mentioned things I never considered Chops! And I totally agree 💯

[@TheLiddleBigChannel]

I noticed in heavily populated countries in Africa where there a loads of vehicles on the roads, one doesn't notice the traffic by the nose as they're all driving slow and the vehicle relatively noise free. I think one of the motivations by law makers to phase out combustion engined vehicle is due to noise pollution caused by loud exhausts. Perhaps if we all toned down on exhaust noise we'll become more invisible to law makers. So I think hybrid bikes that can switch between motors to comply with noise/emission restrictions when needed but still give load of power when there aren't restrictions, are they way to go.

[@ell6752]

Proper old school rant session. Loving it Chopsy👍👍

[@FreddieDobbs]

Really interesting points and very hard to argue with you. I agree. And the range on electric bikes- way way too small to be anything other than for a commuter bike

[@Mike_P646]

I agree with everything you said,this 'solution' of electric vehicles is utter madness. Have the government even thought of the charging infrastructure in areas of the country where terraced housing with cars double parked is the norm?

[@sudzonicful]

The limitations far out weight the benefits right now, your right chops. Also cold weather also affects the battery performance, my bosses dad had a hybrid suv and didn't get the said performance from the battery because it is too cold here. Also a big one is what do we do with the dead battery's? The chemical from those are nasty, hopefully some way of recycling them can be done? And possibly and purely selfish on my part, is my mum has to take lithium daily to stay alive! So what if its all used to make battery's what about those like my mum who really need it?

[@user-hf8ie8mf3n]

😂 We’re still forgetting the obvious question. What are we trying to save? Until we get over ourselves, it’s all a joke. 👍

[@davidpowell3191]

I am 100% in agreement with your take on electrics at the present. Between the silly range capabilities, the lack of charging infrastructure and the fact that the manufacturing process is assuredly not green it seems reasonable to conclude that the hype has overtaken reality. Thank you Elon. Additionally we need to rebrand nuclear power generation as clean and efficient and put resources behind new reactors. The truth of the matter is that all of the spent nuclear fuel that has accumulated since day one worldwide, would only fill one football pitch to a depth of about three feet. That’s all there is after all these years. Nuclear could be a real important option if we could change the narrative around it. Thanks for your thoughts Chops. That was a thought provoking video rant. Much appreciated.

[@robg9379]

Quite agree Chops 👏. Electric definitely is not the answer, for numerous reasons! Cost, made from lithium, infrastructure, range etc... Rolls Royce modular small reactors are the way forward. Each town has a small nuclear power station built in house by Rolls Royce takes up about the size of two football fields & will last 65 years.

[@pistonburner6448]

I prefer the much cheaper, more efficient big new-gen nuclear reactors which can also very efficiently produce e-fuels alongside the electricity production. We don't get any real benefit from small reactors as our grids are all made to handle big electricity production plants. With big reactors electricity is cheaper and we also get affordable, near-zero-emissions e-fuel for our ICE cars and bikes.

[@D001lz]

How do companies improve their product, if no one bought the first versions of their product? Why would anyone develop something no one wants or buys? It's a step in a direction that should be explored.

[@LambChopRides]

Yes I do agree there, but for government to announce they are stopping the sales of ICE vehicles and you have to buy these inferior 'development' products is crazy.

[@D001lz]

@@LambChopRides Crazy or foresight? We'll regroup in 10 years and discuss👍

[@cp4512]

As with every other comment on the video, completely agree! Also really pleased that you give an honest view on this topic unlike some other reviewers….. thank you 😊

[@gavd6726]

Chops for Prime Minister!! Couldn't agree more pal. Take Elon Musk too. Of course he'll say it's the future-he's making a fortune out of it! He's a business man, that's it. He's a clever bloke who's seen a great business model. He's not bothered about legacy-he just wants to be as successful as possible in his lifetime. I'll be running my diesel car and petrol bike for as long as I can......

[@Jonathan-yd8ud]

Thank you for doing this Chops. It's well overdue from a motorcycle vlogger.

[@yonniboy1]

Couldn't agree more 👍.

[@drdoolittle5724]

I'm a bit late coming on now cos everyone is gone-over, but you didn't cover the dreadful truth about home charging - methinks the majority of 'e' purchasers will not be that well off and will not have a garage let alone a garden/yard so imagine hundreds of cables hanging down from tenement blocks, on the pavement etc yet still being there in the morning! We are definitely progressing towards Mad Max days with the rulers we elect!!!!!

[@bradmyers6429]

You are 100% correct! Thank you for having the guts to put out I video on this subject. Every time I try to point out some of the inherent problems with electric vehicles, I get poo pooed by people who wouldn't know a crankshaft from a diode. It is insane that this is all being rammed down our throats Cheers 🍻

[@nestorasbellas6604]

You can't continue to finance something as huge without market. People need to finance the thing to continue evolving. They 're making us pay to continue research. Would i finance the evolution? Yep, if i was to believe that it is the future, that it's not a money grab with a "go green" ribbon to make it appealing, that people wouldn't come out apologizing for "slight miscalculations, after taking our money. Right now i am not so sure either. You 're making several valid points and this was a good video to watch!

[@alunpiggott6452]

As I see it. The only 'green' option we all have right now is to choose to do less mileage. If we all did 10% less miles a year wouldn't that give a much better result than the current alternatives and it is (£) free.

[@frankwebster8365]

Not good if your work is 70km there and 70kms back

[@rob.1963]

Excellent rant sir, I wholeheartedly concur. My thoughts on the electronic vehicle future; there should be standardisation. If all vehicles could use a slot in system, like a power tool, you could repurpose petrol garages to charging stations, pull in and just replace the power pack with a fully charged one. Obviously the look and design of vehicles would have to change drastically and this fast replacement process would need to be mechanised, but this could work I reckon.

[@Alcapowen]

I have worked for many years with Batteries in race cars. I can't tell you now there is nothing green about them. Up to this point there is very little that can be recycled from a Li ion battery of which there are many various chemistries. Electric motors are good from an efficiency point of view as there are very few parts that make contact but like every electrical component there is degradation. You are right to take this in a similar vein as the diesel push years ago. It's moving the problem somewhere else. The EU and America are making these rules that batteries are best. The kids that mine the minerals out of the ground in the Amazon, Africa and the middle east certainly don't think they are good for the environment. It's a money spinner through and through. If they really cared they would stop producing cars completely and we would all have to make do and repair what we have got, but they won't because that doesn't make rich countries and companies lots of money.

[@thewatcher5822]

Batteries are being recycled, and making statements like kids that mine, makes me doubt you have any credibility.

[@Alcapowen]

@@thewatcher5822 that was your big take from that. That it's possible to partially recycle battery components. Also sort your grammar out before you accuse others of being children.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@thewatcher5822 You are just out here lying all day, huh? It is a fact that there is no recycling system in place, EV batteries are produced and sold with NO recycling pre-paid or pre-arranged. That is fact, so stop spreading misinformation and LYING.

[@thewatcher5822]

@@Alcapowen Well if you think recycling 94% of a battery is considered partial, then again you can't be taken seriously. I didn't accuse anyone of being children. You made the statement of kids mining minerals. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@thewatcher5822]

@@pistonburner6448 There are many companies recycling batteries. One of the biggest names is Redwood materials. Maybe you should do your homework, before making stupid comments.

[@jarlevikshaland2015]

I live in Norway and drive a Polestar 2 and do about 30 000 km / 19 000 miles per year. Charging network is comprehensive, and I can use Teslas stations as well - standards CSS connection. Sustainability report on the car : Polestar 2 - global electricity mix / XC40 ICE Break even: 112 000 km/ 70 000 miles Polestar 2 - european (EU28) electricity mix / XC40 ICE Break even 78 000 km / 49 000 miles Polestar 2 - wind power / XC40 ICE Break even 50 000 km/ 31 000 miles - but still not ready for an electric bike. Range to short and charge times are to long.

[@petercarr6599]

This was recorded before the budget I take it mate 😂😂....... That cb1000r sounds glorious 😍😍😍

[@RoryMacdonald-pfff]

Mate, I’m not even 10 minutes into this video and I’m on a soap box! Between this rant and Bruce’s EPIC demonstration of range and charging experience around the country … there is NO WAY I’d have a leccy car or bike. It’s the new elephant in the room. I have a mate who bought a new Tesla 3 … I can’t get him to talk about this topic. The amount that would have to change to move me on this topic is monumental.

[@lgrw660factory]

I agree that the argument for electric bikes is not strong right now, and there are certainly issues with most renewables BUT the one thing you cannot take away from BEVs is that they are zero emissions when used. I’ve had a small BEV car for three years now and it’s been great. Sure, range is limited, and the charging network is woeful (and getting worse the more new BEVs hit the streets) but it’s been great to glide around town quietly and with massive torque. I absolutely hate driving ICE vehicles when I occasionally do. For motorcycles I’m happy to stick with ICE. And yes, nuclear is really the only viable option at scale. Burning coal and oil being the worst options, as I understand it. Wind, Solar, Hydro have some valid benefits too, but again… scale.

[@stevenkerry3101]

i totally agree with you 100% chopsy as long as i have a hole in my arse i will never buy an electric vehicle.👍

[@cyclometre]

I totally agree with your assessment, especially with your comment at the end about light weight commuter scooter vehicles. Kymco of Taiwan have come up with an idea that could possibly save the day for electric vehicles and that is swappable electric batteries. Each scooter has two batteries so that when one battery goes flat it can be exchanged (for a price) with another at an exchange point. The flat battery is slid into a vacant slot and a recharged battery is taken out and placed into the vacant slot on your scooter. If they could do the same for lightweight electric vehicles, then that is a possible answer to the electric vehicle problem?

[@barryjmarling]

100% agree with you,absolutely shocked about the wind turbine blades in landfill,wtf. Big respect to you saying what a lot of people think. And out of curiosity what bike was you riding,couldn’t see it in the description.

[@LambChopRides]

It's a Honda CB1000R 👍

[@Bullet62013]

I laid into you a bit with one of your prior EB reviews but glad to see you did your homework and see through the smoke and mirrors. Knowing the facts about the batteries alone shatters all the benefits of the carbon foot print, the cradle to grave tracking as they call it unravels the whole green energy benefits, non recyclable batteries, mining lithium causing environmental issues, the cost of the vehicle/Motorcycles is huge and then having to replace batteries after 10yrs, who can afford this, none of it makes sense but people and companies stand to make lots of money and there lies the problem.....lol. I work for an Electric Utilities Company and if you were to magically drop Electric cars and chargers in all our customers driveways right now the grid would collapse.... period...especially in the cities the infrastructure could never handle the load and I couldnt imagine the cost of man power it would take to upgrade the system if even possible. People are willing to freeze to death or starve to death to SAVE THE PLANET its insanity, All the Dutch farmers that are losing their farms after 5 generations of farming due to Nitrogen restrictions won't cause food shortages or starvation. Farting Cows is another problem so meat will be disappearing but you can always eat BILL GATES meatless impossible burger made from GMO fungi, shouldn't cause any health problems. He's also buying up all the farmland in the USA. This guy is always in the mix for some reason. Sorry for the rant. Excellent video! Hopefully wake some folks up. . Good day.... Ride Safe!

[@chrisindubai]

totally agree with you. Like most things nowadays it's about money. A deal has been made that we need electric vehicles no matter what and that's that. I think hydrogen fuel cells can replace the battery one day. Already they have it on busses and trains- even in the UK. Just need one of those Eaton boys to invest and it'll be in the bag. ;D

[@Drivencomps]

Agree hydrogen fuel cells have to be the way forward

[@carleddison7479]

Hydrogen is a non-starter. Most common element in the universe but very difficult to access and store and has a low energy density. Huge amounts of energy required to derive from source and that energy comes from where? Yep, fossil fuels. Avoid the expensive complexity and burn the fossil fuel in reliable engines.

[@pistonburner6448]

Biodiesel, biomethane, bioethanol are already used widely in many regions and at least the first two make an ICE car lower in emissions than EVs. For only a few cents/liter more, in some cases even cheaper than fossil fuels! Then there's the best future fuel: e-fuels (with so many ways to manufacture it). E-fuels can be produced with zero emissions at renewable plants located far from the grid and users, they can be produced extremely efficiently on the new nuclear reactor types where they even use the reaction itself (or the reaction products) to aid in the production process! We already know that even in extremely small-scale production in the very first test facilities it is lower in price than what EVs cost us! Shell has said their first small facility will be able to produce it at a taxes-included price of 2€/liter! And with large-scale production that price will of course go much further down.

[@pistonburner6448]

Hydrogen may be a good solution for heavy goods vehicles. Probably not passenger cars. I personally think that hydrogen is so incredibly dangerous it might not be the best option especially as we have so many other viable solutions (even direct natural gas use might be better for a few decades, then transition to biomethane as that production ramps up).

[@chrisindubai]

@@pistonburner6448 I'll be the first to admit I don't know much about E fuel but obviously converting CO2 into fuel is hard to argue against. The biggest problem here is politics.

[@darrenwinstanley3771]

I agree with you 100%. The cost of an electric bike is also ridiculous, the companies are trying to push their £17k electric bike as a commuter, a decent petrol commuter bike is less than 7k and you would get far more miles to the tank, some scooters do over 120mpg!

[@christianhartley5228]

Bearing in mind 3% loss every year is a lot more than 30% over 10 years as you havent allowed for compounding

[@RobertBrown-qt8dp]

Your maths teacher says see me, it's a negative so 3% off 100 is 97, now its 3% off 97. so after 10 years you loose 26.26% not 30% as above.

[@waltereisenbeis8652]

The aspects of the green movement, that is electic vehicles etc., you talk about confirms many people's suspicions that it isn't as green as we have been led to believe. This needed to be said.

[@thewatcher5822]

Yes he talks about a lot of things. That doesn't mean he is right in his thinking.

[@michaelbacon1250]

You make perfect sense mate. Excellent video keep up the good work.

[@nick636]

Jeezus, those road conditions looked lethal in parts, top riding and top rant big fella.

[@johngarrity7777]

So true John, and also for me and many other bikers, a lot of the enjoyment and thrill comes from the sound of the petrol engine and exhaust noises 👍🏍🏍👍

[@rolandsmith2141]

Great comment and I'm surprised more people aren't highlighting the most intoxicating part of being at the controls of the ol COmbustion engine.

[@OHMMoto]

I have a similar argument about ad blue! So it sprays pig piss on the fumes before it comes out of the exhaust to make them “greener” BUT it has to be produced by factories using fossil fuels, by workers driving there using fossil fuels, put into non recycle plastic container, distributed to wholesalers and then retailers for me then to have to make a special journey to buy the bloody stuff. What is the net benefit to the environment? I would bet it’s a negative result. All because the government says we have to use it.

[@Motorcycle_Mike]

Hear, hear! Enjoyed this buddy. Thanks for dropping some knowledge on us. And sharing some insights, and thought provoking discussion points. You won’t catch me wasting money on an electric bike. #FightBack #PetrolPower ✊🏻💨💨💨💨

[@MickH60]

Opinions aren't knowledge, did you even go to school ?

[@tonydare7614]

Hi Chopsy, I do agree with your environmental points. I recently had to switch to a Zero electric bike from my Triumph as Paris introduced extortionate parking fees for ICEs. Range however is improving all the time and some Zero models start with around 350km. I'm not sure if they really lose 3% per year, but I charge mine daily. On the plus side, my Zero costs under a pound to fill up, handles like a dream, is incredibly fast, has amazing breaks, comfortable and I can thrash it without waking the neighbours 😂

[@majordelays4909]

Worst I live in Paris brag ever 😂🎉 jokes.

[@tonydare7614]

@@majordelays4909 how I wish I didn't 🤣

[@majordelays4909]

@@tonydare7614 I lived there six months at abesses, fond memories … mostly!

[@kevindarkstar]

Until the cost of the electricity rises dramatically and the cost increases along with taxes, plus as was said when you bike needs a battery and motor it will be more cost effective to replace it

[@majordelays4909]

@@kevindarkstar don’t worry electricity will be up 40% in spring, you’re welcome ☺️ 😔

[@raychitty5176]

Well done chopsy, right on the money, keep making great vids !

[@jarlevikshaland2015]

I do agree though about the bikes - we are sticking with our GSXR 750 2008, ER6n 2007 and ZX-6R 2007 track bike - maintain them well, enjoy them and keep riding. Cars is another matter - sold the diesel and now tow the trackbike with my Polestar 2 :-). Will never go back to an ICE car.

[@RudeboyMoto]

Fully agree chopsy, in fact I had a similar rant in a video a few weeks ago, didn't go quite as full on as you though 😉... Get out and enjoy your petrol power while we still can peeps.

[@moto_dras]

100% with you, they’re not the answer yet and everyone always ignores all the other issues with electric vehicles. Probably better to fix up an old 2 stroke smoker when you look the total environmental impact!

[@niged]

Totally agree Chops. EV"s are not the future. The infrastructure is nowhere near on course for 2030? Check out the KZbin channel by the MacMaster. He highlights real world issues by having a EV. Very interesting.

[@whitemarmite]

just because the infrastructure isnt there, doesnt mean they are not the future. many inventions we use daily, will have had the same support in the beginning.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@whitemarmite Why do all you low-IQ people talk about something like EVs "being the future"? Do you not know how language works? I bet you were preaching in the past about how leaded gasoline is "the future" and will solve all our problems.

[@user-rf9me7xm1w]

Everything said here is 100% correct, but don’t pin your hopes on solid state batteries. If they can be charged in one third of the time, that means that they will demand three times the current. No way can the present infrastructure supply that instantaneous amount. The whole of the local supply network will need upgrading at prohibitive expense.

[@jamest5149]

Performance orientated hybrids are nice to drive, silent in town or pulling away from home in the night but most importantly instant torque while the ICE engine wakes up and the gearbox changes down, also like the regeneration braking, its like a hill decent mode… really enjoy them Everything else is pants, the price, the range. Keep ranting Chops, theres plenty of us that will watch a good rant, just ask Chris (Barron Von Grumble) 👍