Extreme Bull Commander Cooling Modification

[@kazzmack9385]

this guy has "imposters " - S.O ... for his intro ... and this is total Cool .... I Sub'd for this fact alone!!! ... his knowledge and expertise came with the sub ( Standard)

[@scottsum1319]

Marty I gotta hand it to ya. Your vids might not be the most adrenaline filled but dang if you're not one of more prolific true contributors to this hobby. Instead of hearing constant whine ala other YT'ers (which shall remain nameless), you understand that nothing's perfect (Cest La Vie where I'm at), you come up with solutions. I get your kinda heat ~2-3weeks outta a year so this would likely not affect me in the least plus I'm having a hardtime getting

[@GGnext.crazycro]

There are so many PC air cooling solutions that can be implemented. I would love to see them have a hermetically sealed electronics compartment. The mossfest would mounted to a aluminum heat distributor with heat pipes going out of it. The heat pipes would connect to a heatsink that is a part of the outer casing, and has air streaming over it as you drive your EUC.

[@GplusGains]

Inmotion V12 is setup that way.

[@GGnext.crazycro]

@@GplusGains Almost. Its a hermetically sealed half metal case with fins that uses the air stream in between the tire well. I love that design. Only downside is that there will be a nasty dirt accumulation on the fins.

[@FinnBjerke]

Marty I want to thank you for the surgery videos it really means a lot for the community. I Will not buy Gotway wheels and ill always be a happy EUC addict. We need techies lille you. Thx again.

[@Andrew6ft2]

in my opinion it's not acceptable to spend so much on a wheel and have to carry out modifications that should have been in place from factory. This only reinforces the fact this company did not thoroughly test this product before it was released and waiting for riders to be real life testers. Straight up poor and disappointing. After spending North of $4k I would not be looking to drill holes to improve air circulation and make the wheel vulnerable to water intake as well as the concept of butchering a brand new wheel is beyond me I found it difficult to watch lol Thanks Marty for another great video with goid content. mr6ft2

[@Kekafuch]

There’s a $100,000 PEV called the Jetson where you have to assemble it yourself.

[@Papalou1234]

Andrew Ito... they test the euc's with 100lbs riders 🤣 so went a 180lbs rider go uphill got overheat alarm way earlyer!

[@coldpanda]

Exactly! For over $4K you should be getting the wheel that needs absolutely nothing but you riding the hell out of it!

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Production copies will already have the modification

[@sherryandpeter]

I have an MSP and an EXN and every time I take either one apart I'm appalled by the quality and thoughtfulness of the fit and finish. I agree the gotway wheels have an enjoyable raw power delivery that creates excitement but now the rainy season is starting where I live and the lack of refinement and quality is very discouraging and fustrating. Especially when I don't see it changing with the new wheels that Gotway or whatever they call them selves now are releasing. It seems like they're just using all their existing components and just placing them in different arrangements within new housings. Where is the evolution and integration of newer technology. When they don't take the time to confirm that the cooling is adequate for a high torque wheel that will be used for climbing it makes me wonder is this wheel even safe enough for us to be riding. The type of climbing you were doing Marty is not even a good indication of how much heat will be generated on a steep slow climb in summer temperatures. I feel that the irresponsible way that gotway is building and selling wheels is threatening the very existence of EUCs. What happens when someone is seriously injured or killed when one of these powerful poorly built and engineered wheels malfunction or catches fire. A gotway or gotway related product is not in my future. Especially with wheels like V12, S20, and Abrams on they way. I don't understand how the people that are allowing these wheels to be sold can look at them selves in the mirror! Disgusting!

[@outerheaven2k7]

Rear speaker seems pointless as all can be. Am happy to see the air flow mod is no big deal if needed. Let's hope it works and get some insane miles :D

[@joshuajones6113]

I'm stunned (but very happy) that they watched your video and admitted it was an issue. Your video on the overheating was definitely enough to give me pause about running out to buy a Commander. This is a step in the right direction. I also agree with the other comments though...it's an indication of lack of attention to important details that is overall concerning....especially on a wheel that can go 40-50mph (HT/HS). I have an RS19 HS and it always runs hot and almost seems to overheat at random. I love the wheel and the way it rides, but overheating can be really dangerous. Safety should always be first! Thanks again for your work here Marty. We are lucky to have you out there giving us dirt. Looking forward to seeing your next heat test with the mods.

[@joshuajones6113]

also out of curiosity...was it Begode or EB that responded? I know they are connected, but I had the impression that EB was the actual manufacturer/design team.

[@YourAubsome]

Thanks for the great video. This is why I keep telling myself I'll never buy another Gotway (and I might actually stick to it now that KingSong has stepped up the game). I bought a EX.N and it had massive overheating issues. I literally managed to get it to overheat in less than 60 seconds after the wheel had been resting in ambient temperature overnight. To be fair that was while climbing an insanely long and steep hill, BUT my S18 can go up the same hill with me on it and the highest temperature I've seen on it is 140*F! How can Gotway produce wheels and not even test the cooling? I can tell you if a wheel will have heat issues by riding it for just a few minutes. All you have to do is find a steep hill and go up and down it over and over for a few minutes. How can Gotway not do such a basic test when making a product? It's clear they just don't care about the details. How can they put backward firing speakers in a wheel and call it a feature? Its pretty much useless because you can't hear them unless you riding super slow. My RS19 has the new screen in it, and the screen is beyond useless. Dear Gotway: Don't add features to your products unless they are properly implemented and actually work well!

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Agree with much of what you say, of course. Yeah, the EX-N is a HOT running wheel. Ultimately it's the ride experience that sells me on Gotway. Certainly not their attention to details.

[@electric_rider2044]

I have no problem with my exn, i removed the black cover inside and add 2 more fans.

[@YourAubsome]

@@electric_rider2044 exactly, you had to mod a brand new wheel to make it work properly and your mods might have made it more vulnerable to water. My solution for the EX.N was simple: I sold it 😅

[@electric_rider2044]

@@YourAubsome hehe! I understand your point. Im surprised myself. I added fan and sealed the bearings on my EXN and RSHT and made them waterproof as best as i can. Unfortunately no matter what there is no perfect machine but with the Commander HT going hot, not acceptable specially the price is high.

[@Simonisms]

Congratulations on your brand new wheel! Now you just need to drill a couple of holes... 🙄

[@ElectricUnicycles]

This is a demo copy. Production copies will already have the "fix"

[@EUCArmy]

Hearing protection even , man Marty, you have all your bases covered.

[@EUCArmy]

AND, progressively drilling a bigger size hole!

[@Antu_MCE]

Buen trabajo, gracias por compartir, ya solo le falta el asiento

[@Ronin_Ryder]

Here goes any potential water resistance 😁

[@HSterlingCross]

Seems they should forget the rear facing speakers in the future, and focus on airflow and cooling, as this is their about dozenth wheel that can overheat. You can buy stick on Gore-Tex, which will let less air in, but not moisture in, which could be a solution for the future wheels, if there was a huge front air panel.

[@WinkieDuck]

Look at Marty’s influence on the euc game. Nice work

[@jc84com]

This wheel is for me! the torque and range is just want I want! I don't mind doing a few mods to make run cooler. Very excited to see how this cooling modification works and what your suggestions and community are to make it run even cooler. Torque Higher Pedals Huge Range Possible Better Temperature Mods i'm Ready!

[@nh281]

Just got the commander ht. It got up to 115 just going to get something to eat. I rode it without pads, so I didn't push it at all. Not more than 5 miles total.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

That's still not bad. Unless you're pushing it, the temperature will usually stay below 130 which is great.

[@Papalou1234]

Marty.....Amazing what you do for the community🙏🏻👊🏻😉

[@СергейЩербаков-я3о]

How about the manufacturer's warranty?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I modified a demo unit. There is no warranty.

[@freeforester1717]

Might be less of a concern in temperate climates, but it’s good to hear that they’re responsive to the issue before the general product release, which is miles better than ignoring it or expecting the buyer to modify himself. When are they shipping out a Jetson for you to appraise?? Good work Marty, inform, educate, improve, and entertain. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@christams8863]

Thanks for sharing another great video on cooling your GW EUCs, Marty! Very informative and helpful!

[@geekprices]

This gives me a reason to wait and see how the abrams does in summer heat. Since the outside shell is metal and your riding in the summer sun I see it getting stupid hot unless your really moving.

[@GGnext.crazycro]

Pretty cool wheel in terms on not overheating 😅dem puns

[@MalcontentYouth]

Seems like weather we want to or not DIY is the name of the game when it comes to EUCs. Although who doesn't mind modding shit....unless its 4 grand. LOLOL

[@frederickoparah1669]

I must say that it is great that Gotway have responded, however £3k wheel and you are drilling holes for airflow? to be honest I dont think it will be enough. There should have been a large heat sink or a pellitor 12v cooling plate controlled by a temperature switch, easy to do and cheap. I know for a fact this would work far better than warm airflow. During last summer my 16x would over heat, my solution was a bag a frozen peas under the handle for an hour before I sent of to ride, and this increased my riding time by 30minutes, but with a pellitor cooling plate and temperature switch, the controller would never over heat.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I'll be testing to see if it's effective. I'm keeping an open mind.

[@Wheel_fast_euc_rider]

@@ElectricUnicycles I want to come with on the test ride... I'd slow down... seems like alot of the testing you do is right around the corner from me..

[@FinnBjerke]

I Hope for a future review of Kingsong s20 from you. In case of good review ill buy it, but off you find errors in the construction I Will not. Im excited about a 126v wheel with suspension and power.

[@gorankirhner]

Good job Marty, thank you for this video. I was planning to buy this wheel but the heating worried me…

[@omidel.]

Hope we see a new video soon

[@COBARHORSE1]

You did a great job with the lighting in this video. It can be very hard to show something that is all black. I look forward to seeing the results of this mod.

[@neurokinetik64ES]

The idea of having an air channel underneath a heatsink that is sealed off from the rest of the electronics is the best way to handle the cooling, IMO. They are on the right track, but just didn't handle it quite right.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Exactly

[@Stan0619]

That wasn’t a difficult modification. If this is successful in dissipating heat, with a 200 bucks discount it will be a GO.

[@merlin3381]

Did you hear about the shop that burnt down in Tucson Arizona? That suck. I was really counting on having a shop in America. I'm new to the EUC community, one thing that bothers me is that I would have to ship my EUC to China to get it fixed. I'm really interested in the Abrams because I think it would be a good city wheel. I could lock in up by the roll bars and it has tubeless tire so I could put fix a flat in it. I was wondering you work on EUC's I could watch your videos and maybe fix it myself?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

NOBODY ever ships a wheel to China for repair. Even if you wanted to pay the exorbitant shipping prices, it's not possible to arrange for a repair. There are lots of local places that will fix an EUC. Most people learn how to do it themselves though. Videos abound on KZbin that show you how. It's probably more work to fix a flat on a tubeless tire.

[@Curtish8892H]

Ridiculous. Spend $5000+ Canadian so you can work on your DIY skills. If they created a new wheel from scratch then I could see them missing something in the design. All they did was create a new plastic body, everything else was provided by Gotway. As a none DIY guy I will sacrifice the Gotway ride experience for a well thought out product.

[@jayden56858]

yea it really is nasty. Then again ill never buy ANYTHING first batch.

[@mr_Gurme]

It is not modification, it’s couple of holes in shell )

[@eucssplyce1229]

Marty can we put other pedals on Commander. Is it same spacing. Thx

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Yes. Compatible with Gotway pedals

[@slidersgliders5516]

Gotway- Begode-Begone , needs to sell the company to someone else who puts pride in QC . Almost every wheel they make overheats . 🤣 Inmotion V12 don't even have a fan 🤔 a fan is not needed it they knew how to build a wheel right. 🔥✌️ Keep it wheel ✌️🔥

[@kmg501]

Is that a open pathway into the control board environment?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Open pathway to underneath the control board

[@MrPoliarinis]

So whats the results now ?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/apbSnISkp9Jmp6M

[@MrPoliarinis]

@@ElectricUnicycles thanks. By the way, I saw your video with eeeveee's. Could compare sherman max and commander ? Which is better in you opinion?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@MrPoliarinis I have not ridden the Max enough to form a definitive opinion. From seeing its performance (eevee's) second hand, the wheel does appear to have the power of the Commander. If someone doesn't need the extreme range then I would recommend the Max.

[@fortis-lt]

I don't believe that it helps somehow, really. Need to make holes bigger and think how to make pass over flow bigger

[@eucssplyce1229]

Hey Marty does the front cover come off the same way?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Yes

[@GGnext.crazycro]

What is the price of this wheel?

[@v4v777]

Around $4.000 i think.

[@romanebersbach1349]

Does ist Work?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I don't know yet - look for a future video

[@noelleonard2498]

Having to immedeately tear apart a 4 grand wheel and mod it to keep it from overheating? No thanks

[@big_petebear8535]

It really isn't rocket science. My first thought was, "Those are extremely small holes for air cooling." It's baffling to me why Gotway keeps running into the same problem over and over again. Just make a separate airtunnel under the control board and put a bunch of fins on it. Let the metal transfer the heat to a place where water doesn't matter. I know when they put together a schematic for there new order of a few thousand shells, that there has to be an engineer involved. He's either completely incompetent, no one listens to his advice or he hates the company he works for.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Perfectly stated :-)

[@coldpanda]

how lame is it to spend 4k on something and have the company recommend a cooling mod. Why can't they just fix it themselves before releasing batch?

[@drbytes68]

Hold the phone, this unslightly thing costs a ton of money and STILL YOU NEED TO MOD IT TO GET IT TO BEHAVE ALRIGHT? Jeez, come on.

[@Jonvrooms]

Lol why buy this wheel when Sherman is clearly better 😂 gotway is fixing it by drilling more holes wow.

[@freeforester1717]

Look fir EUC upgrade’s Abrams tear down, it ain’t without its issues either - poor metalwork finish leading to corrosion, inappropriate/non waterproofed battery connector, wood screws, it seems that nobody’s wheel is perfect, just like the cars.

[@drumbri]

Then just tape it up when it rains. Lol Gotway quality! $4000.00. ???? GREED comes to mind, and not much pride in their products over the years. IMO…….