The Most Efficient Electric Car Around!

After owning this car for for coming up to a year, it's not just confirmed what I thought but surpassed any predictions I had for how efficient it is in the real world.
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[@truebrit3670]

One of my EVs is a Hyundai Ionic 38kw. I get 5.7m/kw in sport mode atm. Driving economically, I can average 6.5 - 7m/kw. I've had over 8 on individual journeys.

[@AdrianColes]

Ditto - the Ioniq 38kwh is amazingly efficient. 33 mile round trip to work on dual carriageway yields close to 6m/kwh at the moment

[@tommoger]

Agreed, nothing beats the Ioniq.

[@robintoy7255]

Hyundai Ioniq is the best car for efficiency for sure, so glad it not just me with these figures for a big car. Shame they stopped building it now, and same that my Ioniq 5 is not as efficient. Anyone looking for an Ioniq 5 and had a 38kw Ioniq, do not get a 58kw one as you will get less range than you do now, 70kw all the way! But this proves the point that people no longer design for efficiency.

[@kabirjones8563]

Same here our 38kwh Ioniq is amazing and its a proper sized family car. The wife has just done Coventry to Torquay 4 adults and lugage and didnt have to stop to charge. We have the SE model so almost ever extra you could want. 5yrs and its had 2 wiper blades/12volt battery/ keyfob battery and 26,000mls original tyres.

[@truebrit3670]

@kabirjones8563 I did a 120 mile run yesterday in my SE 38kw. Got home with 98 miles range remaining. 3 years old, 21000 miles and is still exceeding the WLTP range (as new) by 20 miles. Is there a term for negative degradation? 🤣

[@NatGooner]

I bought a SEAT Mii electric (also in black) earlier this year after watching the £10k challenge video. It’s our first EV and we absolutely love it. We just did a 96 mile motorway trip to London - the range used was 100 miles and it was fully charged back up at McDonald’s before I could finish my BIG Mac and McFlurry - the McFlurry cost more than the journey up. 😀

[@mbak7801]

Actually that annoys me. Parking charges are often way higher than the electric costs of driving to and from a destination.

[@chrisrussell418]

Been saying similar for ages, the most efficient EV's are going to be, small frontal area, lowest weight and low cof. In the next size up the original kia eniro takes some beating, today my eniro 3 averaged 5.2 m/kw with local driving not exceeding 60mph due to type of roads. That's with a current range of 298 Miles including 50% motorway at 65/70. Driven at 60/65 with a bit of town driving like 2 weeks ago this was 316 miles.

[@johniooi3954]

You hit the nail on the head. Manufactures have got totally wrong way on EV's. They should have started on the small city cars & worked their way up, rather than the lets make them as big & expensive as possible & now slowly thinking about smaller cars.

[@unclepete100]

Exactly, couldn’t agree more!

[@keithdenton8386]

They did The Sinclair C5. People do not want stupid cars. I bought a Tesla because it's fast and comfortable to drive nad has lots of tech with frequent software updates. Small EVs are pants, and use to be milk floats. Remember those.

[@KokowaSarunoKuniDesu]

@johniooi3954 Indeed, the EV market will only be buoyant and maintain secondhand values when the average wage earner can buy a modest used EV, *and* charge it at domestic rates. So terrace and flat dwellers need either charging cooperatives, or municipal street chargers at domestic rates, since 'charge-at-home' is the use case that makes EVs viable vis-a-vis ICE.

[@hughmarcus1]

It’s economics. It’s still a massive challenge to make a small EV & make a profit from it. Hence Ford, always making cars for the masses, only able to produce the Mach E. if it were feasible they’d be producing cheap EVs by the million.

[@David-bl1bt]

​@hughmarcus1 yes, ford have drifted away from their original etos of affordable family cars, now apparently temped by the ( perceived) big bucks earner, high end, megga expensive " luxury" market.....and have dropped a b****ck, big style. Their mach E is losing them $130,000 on every one they make. Utter stupidity.

[@octarinehk]

I regularly get 200 mile range out of my 2021 eUp on city driving. Only original Ioniq can get close

[@TH3G4M3SM4N]

With my Ioniq 38, I get 6.5-7.3 miles/kWh consumption in city, and 5-6 miles/kWh on motorway speed. Maybe the Seat Mii can consume a bit less energy than the Ioniq to travel the same distance, but considering the big difference in size and weight between the two cars, i think that the Ioniq is more efficient than the Mii. I'll try to explain myself. First, here is the true definition of efficieny : the ratio of useful work done by a machine to the total energy expended. In the case of a car, the useful work is equal to the kinetic energy, which is proportional to its mass and the square of its velocity. The total energy expended is the total energy drawn from the battery, which is measured in kWh and can be guessed by looking at the dashboard information. The total energy expended includes the kinetic energy of the car in addition to the energy needed to overcome air friction, rolling resistance, as well as the energy lost as heat in the electrical systems of the car (battery, inverter, motor, electronics, ...) As an example, lets take car A, which is 30% heavier than car B. The useful work to move car A is 30% higher compared to car B. Lets say car A has consumed 10% more total energy than car B to drive the same distance at the same speed, acceleration, weather conditions, etc... If we apply the definition of efficiency here, we find that car A is more efficient, although it has consumed more energy. All this to finally say that consumption and efficiency are two different notions, they shouldn't be mixed up. For all nerds like me, that read my comment until the end: let me know in comments if my reasoning is wrong and why it is the case. Otherwise please leave a thumbs up. Thanks.

[@jeclark]

Surely, the useful work done is to move a person from point A to point B? It doesn’t matter how heavy the car is, the least amount of energy used to get the person from point A to point B is most efficient! 😂 Therefore, a car carrying two people from point A to point B, assuming it only uses slightly more energy with 2, is nearly twice as efficient as a car carrying 1 person. 😂 So, fully loaded a classic Ioniq carrying 5 is much more efficient than a fully loaded e-Up/Mii/CITIGOe carrying 4?

[@TH3G4M3SM4N]

@@jeclark yes that is indeed another way to look at it. By searching on the internet i have found that there are multiple definitions for fuel efficiency: there is the weight-specific efficiency (per unit of weight) and the passenger-specific efficiency (vehicle efficiency per passenger)... So we can see this from many angles!!!

[@TeaBreak.]

The classic Ioniq would do 4.3 miles/kWh in depths of Winter and frequently 6.2 miles/kWh in Summer. Mainly 5.7 miles/kWh. From a 28kWh battery. Mainly motorway driving, which according to the media makes efficiency worse.

[@julianc923]

Thumbs up for the Ioniq. 38kw Ioniq, averaging just over 5miles per kWh over 35,000 of mixed driving in 3 years, not sure there’s anything similar when the lease runs out soon

[@benellis7427]

I have a 38kWh that is insanely efficient. It's not unusual to get 7 mi/kwh. Motorway driving is usually around in summer.

[@rogerbrand6214]

I really don't know why the Ioniq isn't mentioned in this video

[@shaunhendry4967]

We've extended our lease twice now on ioniq. ​@@julianc923

[@a1peck]

He needs to drive an IONIQ 😂

[@rcajavus8141]

Almost like there is a interest by MANUFACTURERS to sell MORE EXPENSIVE cars!?!!? imagine that in capitalism, what a shock!?!! You hit the burning problem, why is EV market made only of wasteful overweight inefficient cars that are opposite to what EVs whole purpose is.

[@judebrown4103]

Our Ioniq 38kWh is similarly efficient and again it's not being made any more. It's our first EV and we're completely spoilt for efficiency which we're much more interested in than range. I agree, can't understand why there isn't a pride and even competition for the car with the best efficiency. Such a shame.

[@trevorberridge6079]

The Ioniq 28kwh had amazing efficiency. Even more so because it was not a ground up EV. So when Ioniq make full blooded EVs it's no surprise they are very efficient.

[@judebrown4103]

​@@trevorberridge6079well isn't it just the opposite? The 38kWh also came in hybrid and petrol too and as I and others have espoused is extremely efficient. Yet the Ioniq 5, a ground up EV with no petrol counterparts, is really not very efficient at all, I've seen experienced EV drivers only managed to get 2.5m/kWh on long motorway journeys.

[@chrispitchforth621]

I'm getting a used one on Friday. Can't wait.

[@xtermin8]

My 21 plate Hyundia Ionic electric over 42,000 miles is averaging 5.6 miles per kilowatt.

[@garysmith5025]

And that's a full size car, with decent boot space, all mod cons, and you can buy them for very similar price to the Mii/eUP

[@fenegroni]

Is that running the HVAC full time? Asking because with my MG4 standard range, if I switch off both the heater and aircon, and I simply set a low fan speed, I get >5 miles per kWh. But my average between summer and winter is instead 3.7 miles per kWh

[@FFVoyager]

@@garysmith5025 yep, the original Ioniq, especially the 28kWh, is an absolute bargain. In Premium SE spec you get lots of bells and whistles (like heated and cooled seats) and on Autotrader at the moment you can get one for the same price with a touch more mileage than a eUP/Mii/CityGo. Why people are not snapping them up is beyond me. They are an absolute steal. Ignore the fact that they have a 'small battery' as you can charge from sub-20% to +80% in 15 minutes and that will get you 130-150 miles. I'm averaging 5.4mi/kWh at the moment and round town more than 6mi/kWh is easy. Get one before people work out just how good they are and the price goes up again (I'm not selling mine!)

[@BrianSmith-zs5wg]

@@fenegroni On my Kia Niro I can get 5 Mi per KWh in similar very good conditions, no heater or aircon, but I'm currently averaging just under 3.5 Mi per KWh measured at the plug (I keep a record of my charging units used at home and when I have to fast charge when away). So not much different.

[@fenegroni]

@@BrianSmith-zs5wg bear in mind there are some losses when charging at home or anyway on AC power: my mg4 charges 6.5kWh for every 7kWh supplied by the charger.

[@neilm9400]

Must be hitting the sweet spot of weight and battery size

[@stevemann6110]

We have a seat mii and model y. I can say hand on heart the seat mii is a brilliant little run around and I find myself using it more than the model y because of how quirky and fun it is to drive…… LOVE IT!! and yea on efficiency, smashes everything out and the park. I wish I could upload photos…. I have an achieved a 9kWh/ mile on journeys of 8-15 miles AMAZING!!!

[@ellisrochlin2267]

EV are really good , the price of powering up a 200 hp from public chargers is basically very close in pounds to fuelling a ice engine, but it's going to take a mostly inconvenient hour to 7 hours .>depending on what the capability or kwt your EV can take a charge. If it wasn't for the gov duty and 20% vat on petrol/diesel the latter would be considerably cheaper than electric power. Only thing to do is fork out another 1000 to 1300 quid for home wall charger to take advantage of a midnight to 7 am low tariff charge , if you have a smart meter and sign up to one of several electric suppliers for the price benefits. Ps you also pay about 30% more for ev insurance v. ice vehicles. 😢 Summing up EV is better for reducing the roadside pollution , by schools and car congested areas plus i can go into central london without the cost of C Charges. Right now is the best time ever to bag a ev for a cheaper price than 2 yrs ago. I bought a used 8 week old one under a 1000 miles off the dealer for a third less than brand brand new as a first registration . So lose 8 weeks warranty , but for me its small potatoes v the new price .

[@billsmith810]

Yep, good stuff for sure. My 2016 Spark EV in warm weather is averaging 6.5 even with the occasional GTI shaming 😊

[@AndrewLumsden]

Is the VW e-up specifically made for Yorkshire!? 🤔🤣

[@MrAdopado]

Congratulations! The "Heard it all before Society" has awarded you the non-existent prize for the one billionth time the e-up Yorkshire comment has been made on the internet. Apt, certainly ... amusing, maybe when the car was first unveiled in 2011!

[@AndrewLumsden]

​@MrAdopado I am delighted to see you are taking the time to search the Internet and keep a count. So on to 2 billion. 🙄😖

[@ccibinel]

If they can get into production Aptera will absolutely crush this and any other EV efficiency with ~100 wh/m. By using an extremely lightweight and aerodynamic shape the standards set by tesla and others can be crushed.

[@MrAdopado]

Wait a moment this video is about the VW e-up ... the Aptera is heavier than the e-up and carries only 2 people as against 4! It's also enormously wide and unsuitable for a city car in the UK. I shall be very surprised indeed if it ever goes on sale here. It's great that someone is challenging some traditional approaches to personal transport but I don't think the Aptera is offering answers for enough people to capture anything more than a niche market in the USA and probably nowhere else.

[@RobArmitage65]

My Seat Mii Electric reports similar figures, however when I calculate efficiency by comparing charge levels before and after a journey with the mileage, I always get a significantly lower figure.

[@tigerv88]

Could you do a further video on this maybe looking into why this car has such great efficiency? What makes it that much better because clearly as you say a lot of its similar rivals performs surprisingly less well. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that level of efficiency from an EV, which is intriguing

[@shikoku14]

I don't mean to be simplistic but it's got to be weight to battery kWh ratio of the Up siblings, the coefficient of drag will be worse than the OG Ioniq which is the daddy in true family hauler size. But in both cars you hit an inflection of max battery size to acceptable range that both VAG and Hyundai decided was around the 32-38kWh range. The more weight you add with batteries the more you affect that miles per kWh, battery densities are getting better so you could do somewhat better, but I would say consistant 5 miles per kWh will not be seen on a battery that is above 50kWh until the holy grail of Solid State arrives

[@StefanoFinocchiaro]

It's FAKED I own the same car and I've proved, reported data is way off from reality

[@unclepete100]

@@shikoku14explain the Twizzy figures…

[@TB-up4xi]

@@shikoku14 I get 5.75 miles per kwh lifetime from a 50/50 mix of freeway and city and 6.6-6.8miles per kwh in summer with the same mix. This is from a Tesla model 3 with 60kwh (57.5kwh usable) battery.

[@anahatamelodeon]

My wife bought a Seat Mii brand new, just about the last one in the country (it was the dealer's demo car) and we both absolutely love it. Efficient, fun to drive and completely silent. We're also wondering why there hasn't been a replacement in that end of the market - a simple, small and cheap EV.

[@humphreychiu]

As a school run, short journey every day car, it is about as efficient as it gets. Mine does 2.9 on the coldest days 18C climate and 7+ in summer with AC on. The battery has no thermal management and is significantly less efficient when outside is below 10C. Over 12mth, driven everyday, avg 5.9m/kwh. It is our preferred car every time we go out.

[@PhilJohn1980]

Just got my son a 2 year old e-Up! and after driving a Kia EV6 for the last few months (AWD GT Line) the efficiency difference is stark! It's also a hoot to drive, just chuck it into a corner and it complies beautifully.

[@johnkellett7797]

Your point is very valid. I bought my Audi A2 20 years ago and have covered over 220,000 miles but not replaced it because there were no more efficient alternatives that were so well engineered, or rust free. I now have two choices , limp on until I can afford a secondhand EV or wait 5 years and then get the A2 converted to an EV (the bits of the A2 that are dying are mostly those an EV conversion would do away with anyway (engine, gearbox etc). The auto industry (ICE or EV) needs built-in obsolesce to create the profit the shareholders want and is the simple reason that Audi dropped the A2, VW dropped the e-UP etc and BMW dropped the original i3. As with the housebuilding industry the reason for manufacturing/building is maximum profit not the needs of the driver/homeowner. That has to change, but how? Only 6% of houses are designed by architects and the number of vehicles that are well-designed by qualified engineers is probably about the same percentage output. Why? EVERYTHING needs to be designed by those best qualified to do so, not designed by the marketeers, shareholders and politicians of this world that have that role now. Rant over.

[@De4dCert]

Kia NiroEV and Hyundai are way more efficient than a model 3 and actually do advertised ranges. Better battery system all round for longevity too. Its been this way since the Eniro 2019.

[@trevorcrook2565]

Great video, great car. Very disappointing how efficiency isn't being improved. Owners of the Hyundai Ionic (also discontinued) report 6 or 7 miles/kWh, why are none of the newer ones as good?

[@wattouk]

My e-Niro is currantly getting between 5 and 6 mi/kwh. Drops to around 4 to 4.5 when in winter. That's 80% motorway and 20% urban. My range in the summer gets as high as 342 miles.

[@mikadavies660]

VAG are clearly missing out on a trick..... We all have been asking for affordable BEVs.... the "UP" needs a small update and the "New I.D. 1" would be born.

[@patrickjr11]

All they need to do is put a new bumper on it, better battery and call it an ID1. Or, just the ID. Madness to get rid of something so good. The petrol version is also a fantastic car. Really efficient on petrol as well.

[@BenThorp]

I have a lease eUp and it's a great little car. I'm still a little disappointed that the upcoming cheap electric cars don't seem to be as efficient - the Citroen eC3 has a battery that's got 16kWh more usable battery (44 compared to 28) and only manages to eke an extra 38 miles of WLTP range. You would have thought the technology had improved since the eUp/Citigo/Mii was developed :( (FWIW, I think my next car will probably be a 2nd hand Hyundai Kona - it has great efficiency too, a bigger range, and the prices are really good just now)

[@HonestWatchReviewsHWR]

We desperately need more small, lighter weight EVs. These huge SUVs with massive batteries just make no sense at all.

[@briangriffiths114]

My similarly sized Fiat 500e has averaged 4.6 miles per KW/h over 30 months, which has included 3 Scottish winters. It's a bit quicker than your Seat, but still far less efficient given my very light-footed driving style.

[@trevorberridge6079]

My 2015 Nissan Leaf still does 4.8 miles per kwh on long journeys of over 100 miles which of course includes motorways. The most efficient drives reach 6.3 mpkwh.

[@CarlosMorales-bf3fh]

Same here 4.8-4.9 kwh with air con and motorways. 6 kwh in city driving with no air con

[@steveyoung8376]

i have had 15 r so electric vehicles since 2007 and the bestsellers i had was the Hyundai ionic 28 classic which would do 8 miles per kWh

[@animationcreations42]

I got 4.7mi/kWh in our Leaf yesterday, that was half motorway, half local over 30 miles with the AC keeping us cool. I was surprisingly impressed with that, but now it feels awful! Having said that, my mother recently picked up an Audi E-Tron and in the 1700 miles she's done shes averaged 2.4mi/kwh!

[@techbysteff4829]

How is it that bad ??

[@animationcreations42]

@@techbysteff4829 I assume you're talking about the Etron? It's a big 400hp dual motor SUV with a 95kWh battery that weighs as much as a house. The highest it's averaged over a journey since she got it is 3mi/kWh

[@techbysteff4829]

@@animationcreations42 ah ok so the battery is the issue, how far does she get on a charge ?

[@animationcreations42]

@@techbysteff4829 about 200 miles 🤣

[@sixtyoned6190]

My etron averaged 2.2mi/kwh over the 27k miles I had it alongside my e-up which we still have. Both great cars but for very different reasons. Just as the e-up is great fun and very efficient, the etron is very comfortable with its air suspension, roomy with a decent boot size and the flat curve is still better than almost every other ev. Being able to get great charging speeds at almost any soc made up for its lack of efficiency.

[@SimonKey-psimonkey]

With a sufficiently efficient city car, you're more likely to be able to get away with a granny charger at home and still be able to top it up overnight. That can be quite a cost saving, and makes EVs more accessible to people who can't install a charger.

[@danieldanton1129]

I top up our 58kwh battery via granny charger. Maybe one or two times a week. Never over 80%. 2/3 motorway journeys per week and daily running about etc. it's no problem as the charger gives about 4% p/h. On charge by 6pm it's always been ready to go by 6am next morning Edit... We get 4 m/kWh average. Skoda Enyaq 60 edition 2024

[@paulcarnall791]

We have a 2022 E-up. My wife loves it and so do I . Highly chuckable. Beats most diesel's at the traffic light grand Prix. Great city car.

[@huwdavies6650]

The reason they have no plans to produce a replacement is down to the fact it's a sector of the market where they don't make that much money, even in ICE form. Both Peugeot and Citroën pulled the plug on the City Bugs (108, C1, Aygo) for the same reason.

[@JohnDrysdale73]

We have an ID.3 and a new E-UP. The E-Up is just fabulous, great fun, and we're getting amazing efficiency from it. Real shame they dropped it from the line up.

[@robertkirchner7981]

It's a tribute to what you can accomplish by de-prioritizing extreme range and extreme acceleration.

[@Umski]

And volume if you’re just popping out to get the shopping or pootling around as many do

[@Chappers.Gaming]

​@@Umskiexactly like lots of people just go hey.. let's go shopping, okay let's just go to this place... Oooh some els is free let's go pick them up... Okay now what do we do?.... Drive to more locations... Most people weekends with friends ( young people )

[@TB-up4xi]

Why compromise that much? My Tesla model 3 gets 5.75mi per kwh lifetime and 6.6-6.8mi per kwh in summer from a 50/50 mix of city and highway driving - I still average over 320miles between charges and have physically done 366mi with some left in the tank.

[@TanksRock]

Had a red SEAT Mii electric on lease for 2 years and was gutted when it had to go back. So easy to drive and small enough to park without thinking yet big enough for a 6'4" to comfortably drive. Had enough kit to make it comfortable (heated front screen and seats) yet simple gauges, key to start and a normal handbrake. Perfect cheap motoring

[@joannereynolds7133]

Bang On! How many electric drivers are travelling around in a huge heavy hunk of an electric vehicle AND AT THE SAME TIME complaining about the amount they're spending on rapid charging?? (Often the same people forever pretending that they know all about cars, eh?) To mark his 60th birthday 'GreenStripShow' is currently taking his eUp! on a 90 day tour of 30 capitals that's dubunking the myth of it being just a "city car" - and with that kind of energy efficiency it obviously makes a lot of sense for long journeys :-) kzbin.info/door/FIZbr_KhwMCgA9Ppm4vVtQ

[@Jaw0lf]

Nice figures and definately an option for a second or smaller EV. Thanks

[@aeve5240]

@ElectricVehicleMan is talking real figures; not quoted figures from a manufacturer. We have owned our Mii Electric for 2 years and it is genuinely is economical with the electrons it uses. We have just used ours to Gatwick (180 mile round trip - nearly all motorway) and it averaged 5.1m/kWh. We charge the Mii at home using OVO - and it costs us £3.60 'ish for a FULL charge - so efficiency per £ is high - you cannot hyper mile even a dirty diesel to do 180 miles on £3.60's worth of dirty fuel!!! Our other car, an Ioniq 5 is less efficient at 4m/kWh; but it still gives us a genuine range of 280m if we need it - and it is just a fantastic car. Again, charging at home is about £6.50 for a FULL charge. Anyone who comments negatively against EVM and many other pro EV channels obviously does not care about trying to save the planet - they have the "head in the sand syndrome!!" thinking it is somebody else's problem...

[@tonywalker7064]

ttl agree 👍 had mine from mid November do 90 miles per week average 5 mkw and only spent £4.80 on electricity ⚡️ in 7 months thanks to agile & picking and choosing when to charge , my previous fiat 500 ICE , was £40 per month , just a shame about the upcoming road tax 😢

[@GabrielVoinea]

This is not the most efficient electric car, it's much less efficient than Dacia Spring. With Dacia Spring, I have an average consumption (winter included) of 10.3 kWh/100km, or 6 miles/kWh.

[@FloatingIdeasonanarrowboat]

Just the info I was looking for! Why no electricity equivalent specs for mpg? Manufacturers are getting away with bad engineering.

[@ohyesitsme]

I've just done a 250 mile motorway journey in my Hyundai Ioniq 38 Kw and averaged 5.3 M/KW. Normally on local driving 6.6 m/Kw

[@TB-up4xi]

The screen wh/mile is completely bogus on the Seat Mii. R Symmonds in one video says one of his employees drove 127miles (in one go) - started with 98% charge and ended with 7% and the screen said 5.1miles per kwh. Now something just don't add up here ..... 98% -7% = 91%, the car is supposed to have a 36.8kwh usable battery, 91% of 36.8kwh = 33.5kwh and 127miles / 33.5kwh = 3.79miles per kwh not anywhere close to 5.1miles per kwh that the screen was indicating.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Well for one, the Mii has 32.3kWh usable, 36.8 is total. I drove 210 mile using 90%. 🤷‍♂️

[@TB-up4xi]

@@ElectricVehicleMan RS's car was a few months old 1700miles on the odo - let's assume there is no degradation 91% of 32.3kwh = 29.4kwh / 127mi = 4.3mi per kwh still almost 20% out.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@TB-up4xi One thing getting pointed out has changed the stated figure from 3.79 to 4.3mpkWh. A near 13% increase due to an error. I’d want a repeat given the stated figures. Do them again for my trip of 210 miles using 90%.

[@philw4625]

our i3 rex gets 4ish miles per kWh in daily use, vs 3.2 m/kwh for the tesla M3P. But take them on the motorway and it reverses dramatically. Important to buy the car you need. I think manufacturers have given in - too many inefficient e suvs. Small cars only need a range of 150-200 miles to be really useable for most people. 250-350 is ideal for larger cars.

[@andrewgage6942]

I think that the reason manufacturers are attempting to make cars with bigger range is probably because the infrastructure isn't going to be enough when 2030/2035 comes around, if the infrastructure was better, (it's a shame that electricity can't be paid for with cash for us who can't get any form of card), and us down south could find electric vehicles for an affordable price, I can find 24/30kwh Nissan Leafs within my price range, but I have a 60 mile daily commute, 80% of which is motorway driving, we have ONE working charge point in the town where I live, (it's also situated in the most expensive car park, charging time plus parking fees, it's far cheaper to run my Smart diesel which averages 90mpg with my light right foot), we do have other chargers but they aren't connected to the grid and I don't have access to off road parking, I don't know what other countries are like, but I travel around the midlands, south west and south Wales, I don't see many charge points on my routes

[@truthseeker7433]

Your figures for the SEAT I put to you are wrong. Please do a scientific test, you’ve been fooled. From research the best you’ll average is 4 miles per kWh. It has not even designed as an electric car and is old technology. Parent VW have great experience fiddling the performance figures

[@SirHackaL0t.]

I heard that the VW E-Up sold well in Yorkshire.

[@12alocin]

That one has been cracked 100,000 times.

[@paulbyrne4743]

Bearing in mind the lies VW told about diesel, and the deceit about mpg amongst combustion cars, can we trust these dashboard figures? Perhaps cross checking with your energy input data would be helpful.

[@johnmorgan8152]

We drive a 2022 Kia Niro Ev and find it great, but bought a new E Up in February 2024 and has blown our minds with its efficiency. I calculated that the 7000km (4500 miles) we have on it already has cost us 40 euro or 35 stg approx. Its charged every night at 5.45 cent per KW or 4.5p / kw. Its also a great car to drive. I think Ireland is now the only place you can buy a new E Up. We paid 17500 euro or 15k stg approx. As our second car it doesn't do motorway driving. Its all rural driving on B and C roads

[@davealford6910]

The Ioniq gets close and is a proper 5 seat saloon. I currently get 6.5m/kwh and 4 to 5 in winter doing 38miles a day on varied urban/rural A roads. Yes, we need more economic EVs, not these electron gobbling SUVs.

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Small cars are great and often big sellers - but make cr*p profits for the manufacturer, which is why they, inevitably, make bigger cars to sell at bigger prices to make bigger profits. It sucks, but it's just economics... 😒

[@chryschrysostomou5392]

When the makers try to follow what Tesla do, 0-60 mph in 4 seconds, they fall flat on their face. Before Tesla, we were amazed at the hot hatches doing 7 seconds 0-60 mph. If manufacturers made efficient motors, rather than unusably fast accelerating, they would get better efficiency!

[@CaiSpidox]

I average 4.1kwh in my MG ZS, mixed driving and lotsa hills. I do think Kei cars or geberal small cars would be best for EVs

[@zcustard]

I'd love to upgrade my kona, but the new version is even bigger! Why do all cars need to get bigger and bigger. I'm excited to see an EV that does 300 miles on a 20kwh battery. We'll never get there if the cars are getting bigger

[@Its_Me_JayKhan]

I had the Vw E-Up, I leased it, it only gave roughly 68 miles per full charge, at max 80 on good conditions in full eco mode, also it took 2 solid hours to charge on a supercharger, far too long, not a bad car otherwise.

[@TheCliolegend]

I could not agree more. For the longest time I thought my seat mii electric must have been a one off because all youtube videos I watch about other EVs efficiency say max 4 ish miles / kwh. I regularly achieve 190 miles per charge ( my daily commute is 100 miles on motorways) achieving its quoted range of 160 in winter! Around 5 -6 miles / kwh on average. Just a quick note. I believe the "UP" family were originally designed to be electric cars but the battery technology wasn't there so the range was naff. Ultimately vw group decided to equip the car(s) with engines until the battery's caught up. Along came 2021 and bobs your uncle. Enjoying the videos

[@brobertson536]

I have a 2016 Skoda Citigo with the 1.0l 60bhp petrol engine. Bought for £7500 in 2017 with 2000 miles and now has 800000. Totally reliable, 2 sets of tyres, recently had new discs and some works to the suspension, otherwise no other costs. £20 road tax. Cheap insurance of around £220 per year. I think that the original design of the Up/Citigo/Mi was for the car to be electric, with a rear motor and rear wheel drive. This was then changed to the production car with a petrol engine, and the much later introduction of an electric car which EVM now has. Great shame that production has not continued as there would be a market for this - few people can now buy, or have the opportunity to buy, a new or nearly new car as I did for the 2024 equivalent of £9600! Current prices are probably double this for a new small petrol car, and new small electric cars such as a Renault 5 and Twingo are being suggested at £20-25k. This is not where manufacturers should be - small efficient electric cars should be in the £10-£15k range, and affordable to cash buyers, not just the PPC brigade that are 'buying' everything on credit. The European manufacturers will come unstuck when Chinese and Korean manufacturers start selling small electric cars in European markets, as this is where most people will be able to afford cars at - where are the small electric equivalents of the Ford Fiestas, Ups, Pandas, Clios/Twingos.5s, for the future at sensible money? Urban cars, second cars and runarounds, cars for first time owners, cars for older people, second cars, all these do not have to be larger off-road esque psuedo four wheel drives. Roads are not getting bigger, and urban spaces and streets are still the same Parking spaces are not larger! Smaller cars are easier to drive, manoeuvre and park. They have less material input, less material to re-cycle and should be cheaper.

[@JulieWills]

I agree. This car is exactly what I wanted. I only need enough range to be able to comfortably do a regular weekly 100 mile round trip to visit my mum's care home, where there's no opportunity to charge. I had previously thought that the only EVs in my price range would be city cars with about 50 miles of range. Great for true city driving, but no good to me. The e-Up! (in my case) is the perfect car for me. We have a bigger EV with more range which we use for long journeys, but that's not what I need for everyday driving. There are SOME (new) manufacturers out there who are putting effort into increasing efficiency rather than just adding range, but for the moment, they're few and far between.

[@whocares264]

wow eight hundred thousand miles that is impressive

[@graemewhitehead6233]

We have had ours since August last year. Amazing economy in Summer, but the PTC heater in winter & short trips, it doubles consumption vs Summer

[@brianbailey4565]

Agree a great car, we bought a second hand one with 2300 miles. During winter around 4 m/kWh, in summer over 5 with some journeys upto 6.5 m/kWh. Just love driving it, now take days out just for the fun of it as it costs around 2.5 p per mile in electric.

[@ptonpc]

There is more profit in the bigger, luxurious 'sporty' guzzlers than in small cheaper, more useful cars.

[@javiermitchell7073]

I must be very thick, but I'm not sure WHAT car is this? I think is a SEAT, but I'm not sure.

[@nicu0988d]

Can't wait for a Dacia Spring review. Got one from 2021, best I did on a long trip was 8.7kwh/100km, winter 17 and average 11.5 year round and I do use it for 500km trips also.

[@springswood]

I make that around 7 miles/kWh, very good

[@sang3Eta]

PETROL IS MORE ECONOMICAL! VW Up vs e-Up. ICE price £16k with 418 miles range, EV price £25k with 161 miles range. The £9k price difference buys you 75,000 miles of petrol at 1.44p a liter (half of that is tax) before an EV only ever charged on free solar breaks even! On a level tax playing field it would be 150k miles to breakeven!

[@MrAdopado]

Autotrader offers pre reg e-up for £16,310 (8 miles on the clock). I'll not bother using upper case text.

[@flitsies]

Is it possible that the computer could be lying to you I've driven seats and the computers are not the most honest about what the car is doing.

[@whocares264]

interesting , now explain why it is so efficient. i have a bmw i3 rex that has a 400 mile range..

[@justinholding02]

From what i have seen, only the ioniq 28 comes close in certain situations.. We absolutely love our 2020 E-Up! It gets used every day and already has done 75000 kms. We haven't even noticed a drop in range yet. Battery is as good as new..

[@tommoger]

Most efficient?! *laughs in Hyundai Ioniq*

[@1Electricman]

😂 it's a little bit more grown up!

[@dondaniels127]

Aptera, out soon, is claiming 10 mi😊/Kwh

[@HiruS22]

The issue is the margins, they’re just not there for a manufacturer to make a small, cheap electric car.

[@pelton242]

My question is .... how have they actually done that ? its not the motors its not the aero its not the weight, what is it ..

[@andreaceria8481]

With good driving skills, a M3 std range can reach 12-13 kWh/100 km on average. Comparing it with a no-longer-produced and much smaller and lighter car is not a fair comparison. Anyway, 10 kWh/100 km is reachable with an eUP or Citigo. Never seen an Electric Mii... just 40 units sold in Italy before being discontinued. The real question is: what consumptiona could Tesla reach when releasing a 4 m long B segment car?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I don’t compare it to the model 3. Said as much 2/3 times.

[@GeorgeLazar-Cruciat]

You should test Dacia Spring

[@stepheng8779]

Impressive, guess they did too good a job of it , particularly Skoda & Seat & the bean counters at the top said stop making them. Astra with new battery is pretty good, over 5 no bother 👍

[@Carl_in_AZ]

Hopefully, in 2025 Aptera's 1800lb, Carbon fiber body,, with air drag of 0.13 cd, and 10 miles/kWh will go into production.

[@ccibinel]

"liked"

[@MrAdopado]

Are you comparing the 2 seat Aptera to this smaller, lighter, 4 seat city car? Did you notice the size of the guy's garage? I guarantee an Aptera would not fit in a standard UK garage and would be an absurd choice as a city car in this country. The potential aerodynamic advantage of an Aptera is pretty much ruled out when in slow moving stop/start urban traffic. You could also bear in mind that a cd factor only makes sense for comparison purposes if both vehicles have the same frontal area i.e. a car with a smaller frontal area doesn't require as low a cd factor to be able to be pushed through the air with the same energy. The Aptera may well be more aerodynamically efficient (for its size) but unless driving at motorway speeds any advantage will be small when compared with a much smaller vehicle.

[@TheKingpleb]

Is this the modern version of a Citroen AX Diesel maybe?

[@0-Will-0]

Not doubting it's insanely efficient but I've seen examples of efficiency ratings being over-reported, BYD was one culprit but I wouldn't put it past VW either!

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Verified on a few journeys b

[@Orange_Manbaby]

There needs to be more analysis on WHY this car is more efficient, given it’s just the ‘same old’ battery technology. I assume it’s weight. We also need verification of the in-car efficiency reporting. Are we positive it is accurate??

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I did 210 miles on 90%, so for me yes.

[@Joinusinfrance]

I don’t think you said the name of the car or if you do it went too fast for me!

[@Sidewinder1009oli]

Imagine the mass market using these little EVs at 1p/mile with octopus. Petrol version - 168gCO2e/mile. EV @ 200gCO2e/kWh - 27gCO2e/mile

[@KokowaSarunoKuniDesu]

The Mii's readout says 6.9 for my total mileage. But my own calculation based on actual Kwh charged against actual miles driven is 4.8, with the longest single trip being 5.2KwH actual. Never trust the manufacturer's electric consumption guesstimates.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

I did 210 miles and used 90%. Several times in fact. Thats 7.22 mpkWh.

[@justinholding02]

That's because your charging infrastructure is losing some of the kWh. There's never going to be a 100% efficiency between what comes out your plug and what is actually injected into the battery.

[@KokowaSarunoKuniDesu]

@@ElectricVehicleMan Okay, what I'm saying is the manufacturer's figure generally differs from the self-calculated figure. So I wouldn't point at the dashboard and treat it as holy writ. I find these divergences with the MB250e plug-in hybrid as well. The app is filled with fantasy figures.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@KokowaSarunoKuniDesu if all cars are the same then the position of ‘most efficient’ is unchanged as they all do that.

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

@@justinholding02 That’s charging losses. The car once full uses x amount of energy for the trip regardless.

[@mbak7801]

This is where road tax for EVs can be tailored. Efficient cars pay nothing (say 5+). Any under 3 pay double. Road surface area changes the tax. A BPW (Bloated Pregnant Whale aka SUV) doubles the tax element, small cars pay half.

[@JulieWills]

I bought an e-Up! last December after watching your earlier video when you first found the Seat Mii (I wanted the extra bells and whistles). THANK YOU! I've been REALLY impressed with the efficiency too. Our "main" car is a Kia e-Niro, which has a range of nearly 300 miles, so obviously that's what we use for long journeys. But I much prefer driving the e-Up! The steering wheel controls are more logical and comfortable. And the seating position is more comfortable (important to me, as I'm a back pain sufferer). I have a weekly 100 mile round trip, including a lot of mostly motorway and a 10 mile each way commute. For shorter journeys, I usually use Eco+ mode, but sometimes such to Eco on the motorway. The range is quoted as 125 miles. Normally you'd take that with a pinch of salt, and the real world range would be less. One week in FEBRUARY, out of curiosity, I decided to see what range it could actually get. I finally ran out of juice after 172 miles, over 37% further than it's supposed to be capable of. I haven't pushed my luck again to trust the exercise; once it's enough. But it amuses me every so often when fully charged and it tells me I have over 200 miles of range (it's lying: it's not THAT good). I have no idea what period the app's "long term" data covers, but it tells me that I've averaged 6.1mi/kWh over the last 534 miles. It's phenomenal!

[@freddietheone8067]

20,000 miles in two years in my white SEAT Mii electric and it has averaged 5.3 miles/kWh. Love it to bits. Like your channel - all good stuff!

[@mikegipson1224]

I guess the only close one is the old e-Niro :)

[@bripayton3723]

In summer ? Please define the term summer 😀

[@daviddunmore8415]

Make it even lighter with Aluminium & carbon fibre with a 36.8 LFP battery (full capacity available) the perfect small car.

[@NigelWickenden]

My 64kWh Hyundai Kona is giving me over 4 miles per kWh at present. Spalding-Warwick & return 4.2 sticking to speed limits.

[@dpn1604]

Jeezus! You call this a car?

[@grahambate1567]

So what is the car? What make, what model?

[@ElectricVehicleMan]

Just watch the video.

[@andyburns]

As a single car household, a full EV isn't for me, a PHEV might be. A small second car like this, without huge range might work, but there's already more cars than driveways and parking places in this street, so I won't add to that problem

[@sixtyoned6190]

Have an e-up! and love it. Just been checking out autotrader and noticed a few small differences in the mii compared to the e-up! e-up! has a rear backup camera which the mii doesn’t appear to have. Also has steering wheel controls for volume, phone, skipping tracks etc which I can’t see on the mii. Boot has a cover which gives a flat loading area/underfloor storage in the up but not the mii that I’m looking at. Probably more differences I haven’t spotted but worth pointing out as these may be important if trying to decide between the variants. As far as I’m aware there was only one specification for the e-Up! (that was the case when I ordered mine but that was during covid)

[@philiprowson2145]

My wife's i3 has averaged 4.3m/Kwh over 6 years lifetime. Which is less than your Seat but the i3 has 186hp and 7.9 sec 0-62mph

[@bluenapalm123]

The Seat is more expensive on insurance (few quotes I ran). After a few years it'll be the more expensive car to run.. this should also be mentioned for some drivers. * Edit - to clarify, VW E-Up is cheaper to insure than the Seat. So the cheaper Seat purhcase price may not give you the long term value you expect. My research into this ended with the Seat had more expensive costs to repair due to part availability etc. Not saying don't go for the Seat. Just something to add into the through process on which to buy. :)

[@darrendavies1208]

Yes, I found the EV version of this car to be double the cost of insurance than the petrol version. We have 3 cars in our house, a VW Caravelle, and a Beetle convertible, and the electric Mii was the most expensive of the 3 to insure by far

[@datathunderstorm]

It’s only insurance group 12e. My ancient 2008 Prius Tspirit Hybrid is Group 16. That’s not bad at all for a full EV. Seems like the perfect commuter EV. I’m very tempted. At an average of 5.5 miles per kilowatt hour, it seems like a no brainer if you’re targeting fuel savings. Nine pence per kilowatt hour charging costs on the right home charging tariff would make this vehicle extraordinarily cheap to run.

[@datathunderstorm]

Holy macaroni…..!!! I just did the math; with cheap night charging, this would cost me under £15 per month to charge - for commuting and social trips - not that I get out much these days! My existing Prius which I run on Esso Supreme 99+ Premium Unleaded, just cost me £76 to fill up - and that’s only going to last for 3 weeks of driving. That’s a £50 saving on my fuel bill every month - £600 a year fuel bill reduction. I’m presuming this vehicle is also Euro 6 rated, so no ULEZ restrictions nonsense in London either. I think I’ve finally found my starter EV….!!! 😊. I wonder how pay per mile road pricing will affect these, once Sadiq Khan springs that unwanted surprise upon us in the very near future 😐

[@darrendavies1208]

All EVs are uzel compliant. These really are great little cars. No intrusive driver aids either after you turn off the lane assist.

[@danieldarcy7862]

Set my efficiency meter on my 1 year old Tesla 3 to 0 when new. At 8000 miles it is showing 186 watts per mile. Mixed driving one winter one summer. This equates to about 5.5 miles per kW.

[@redjohn20001]

I tested this car just before the Covid restrictions kicked in. I couldn't get over how roomy it was for the size of car. I loved how it drove and the simple concept of this car. I agree the Mii was the preferred version of ghe car. New the car was over £20k. Now at £10k used what a bargain. Until this video I didn't realise how efficient they are. Why did VW drop the manufacturer so soon of such a great small ev.

[@davesy6969]

Happy wife= Happy life.