I flew to China to review the NEW Geely EX5 - the BYD Atto 3 is in trouble

[@electricviking]

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[@renbangbprd7236]

Hi Sam, just want to revise about WLTP Range. The Atto 3 WLTP is not 440KM but only 420KM

[@rudyalfonsus686]

good. let them compete. for buyer, nothing better than a tough competition

[@kckfen]

If they follow Malaysia Proton tuning for the Geely Galaxy EX5, it will be a stiffer suspension, and the air-conditioning performance will be better. Is more of a family car, not a sports car. In terms of spec, got better battery, weight much better at only 1.7 tonne compared to BYD Atto 3 of more than 2 tonne. The car is co developed with Proton engineer where they handle the right hand conversion and suspension tunning ourside China. In Malaysia it will Proton e.MAS 7 right hand version of Geely Galaxy E5. The car aerodynamic is not as good as BYD atto 3 due to its size and more upright taller, the car wont do well at high speed efficiency, but at city drive speed the efficiency is very good. It got 16 speakers included speaker at the headrests with flyme audio with Wanos Sound kind of like China version of Dolly Atmos

[@UCMpDwp7VEfKXRH3NyAW7kuj]

They call this kind of car “Buy vegetables car”in China😆

[@ernesttravers7517]

Hello Mark Wigan I grew up in Bootle, my cousin moved to Wigan Good move to China I live in NZ, so Viking will be jealous of me I used to have Spring Links working for me Well done Viking

[@AJames-jr8kw]

What, with paying 76 buck RUC every 1000 Ks and then a 13 buck recording fee. No jealousy there.

[@chrisnewman7281]

I’m glad that you didn’t say game over very refreshing

[@jansenwilder1335]

The EX5 is a friendly loads of features family EV. Not a sporty Suv for sure.. its a lovely overall package with a proper interior.

[@lanaufal89]

U need to come to malaysia international mobility show next month at 5 to 11 december.... The right hand drive car of geely EX5 that being call proton EMAS 7 will debut...

[@LucodeHome]

The better energy efficiency than a Tesla is only below 80km/h. The reason is mainly due to dynamic recuperation. Above 80 the aerodynamic takes over and leads to a an expected range with highway drive.

[@kamlam1283]

吉利越來越醒目，多做宣傳冇得輸！🎉🎉

[@ricosun]

If this thing is similar price to the Atto3 even a little bit more...its going to take all of Atto 3 sales.

[@chjin1796]

Atto3 is too old, BYD urgently needs to launch a major facelift new model.

[@svyikes]

Sam, correct me if I’m wrong but the only way that the energy density of a battery can effect range is a higher density pack will weigh less. 60kwh at 190kw per kg is still 60kwh albeit at a lesser weight. If the larger body of the EX5 weighs more than the weight saved by the lighter battery then range won’t improve much. A higher density pack ought to mean a higher kWh in the same space, however when cost becomes a factor then 60kwh is 60kwh.

[@toriwatson9655]

That's what I was thinking, a kwh is a kwh, a higher kwh per kg means less weight, maybe a bit more range due to it being lighter, and as you say the ex5 is a bigger car, unless it is has a big advantage in aerodynamics it won't get a better range.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

Amazing that he can make thousands of videos about EVs and still be "confused" as to why a higher energy dense 60kWh battery does not have more range than a 60kWh battery of lower energy density.

[@svyikes]

@ to be fair, there are many variables that effect range, battery capacity being just one of them, so Sam may be disappointed and referring to other factors contributing to a poor range on the tested model and I suspect that base model price factors are why the range of the EX5 is not better than the Atto 3 given 2 major factors, it’s a near 3 year newer design and given the advances in battery tech in that time one would have thought that a 2025 model at an entry price point should have a somewhat better range than the now 2022 spec Atto3 and when breaking into a new market with a new name, whilst undercutting price of competitors is important, so is having a major point of difference, and 190kw/kg ought to manifest in a real world 500km, 150kw charging speed base entry model.

[@zizimai7568]

​​@@svyikesI agree, the EX5 have a poor range when it has a 60kwh battery pack.

[@joejimmy8088]

من افضل الشركات في العالم التى تصنع السيارات الكهربائية

[@mohsinshahzad3238]

You are definitely making sure the westerners car makers are running for their money 😂😂😂😂 been watching you for ages now and got alot of information through your channel thanks for that

[@thesmartdevice880]

Nice Review and Geely is producing good EV's, I have an E8. Charging Speed while all manufacturers stated the maximum charging speed I not been able to find a Rapid Charger that can meet 350kwh which my car is rated.. Best I have found and friends is around 150-180kwh. In Australia it will take them 10 years to catchup, so highly unlikely you find 600kwh rapid charger.

[@nathanoconnor7491]

Very exciting car. This and the Kia EV3 are on my shortlist for 2025.

[@howcc6973]

on the internet people like to say any car as TESLA KILLER for no reason

[@chrisnewman7281]

Tesla should be flattered that people make comparisons to their cars

[@anonimato1987]

I really like it. Hope they can bring it to Europe at a reasonable price some day

[@theolich4384]

Brussels: nope

[@joejimmy8088]

اذا كنت في بريطانيا يمكنك شرائها بسعر رخيص اما اذا كنت في الاتحاد الأوروبي الحكمة سيتاخد نسبه 38٪ وانت الذي ستدفع هذا المبلغ لهم

[@metricstormtrooper]

The geely doesnt have to be better than the BYD, it just needs to have an interior and especially dashboard that DOESN'T look like the interior of Flensed Whale.

[@sergiosaukka]

I personally wouldn't buy a car with candies name 😂😂😂😂 Gelly 🎉

[@twinklelittlestar1226]

Chinese name is 吉利。意思是 propitious，luky

[@philgalpin9284]

'I don't hold back' (after being taken to China by Geely). Yeah, right!

[@mrman5692]

Decent boot but would be much more practical if had 40/20/40 split. That way you could put stuff like surfboards through the centre, still have passengers in back row. In an ICE car, boards on the roof is OK as ICE is more efficient with highway conditions - but taking a trip up the coast with boards on the roof in an EV would kill range and have seen studies where this is around a 14 - 20% reduction.

[@andrewl.skycross1924]

You look about 450 km/h that you need visit to Nurburgring Test Track, Germany for reach 600 km/h in the future!

[@samwang5831]

This car ticks many boxes. It is going to sell well

[@mickzed6393]

A lot of incoming BEV stuff in AUS, for a small slice of the pie. BEV sales stagnant, at about 9% market share, for a while now. I thought it would be at least 15% by now. Considering the heavy discounting ( Model Y down $20k from peak price!!! huge MG4 discounts and they are still sitting at dealers ) and great tax incentives available , that's a worry. Imagine when those pre discount Tesla's come out of their lease. Some very angry people. I think the resale value thing, is a real worry for prospective buyers and becoming a huge hurdle.

[@AJames-jr8kw]

6.5% last month. Those negative comments on sky and in the news papers not helping.

[@rahargo1]

which you prefer, Gelly EX5 or Aion V ?

[@renbangbprd7236]

How about rear seat thigh support? is it good, moderate or bad?

[@lumtavon1952]

Looks like Byd is getting more domestic competition in the middle/upper segment of the market. Just wonder how much senergies between this geely, volvo, zeekr, etc to keep cost under control.

[@ladygracienyc2029]

BYD gets most of the headlines because of the number of cars they sell. But I think Geely makes superior cars especially under their Zeeker brand. Puts to shame anything Ford or GM are making. It didn't need to be this way

[@Du.L]

1. No car is more efficient than tesla model 3. 2. Byd atto3 was facelifted, and now its charging speed increased to 110 kwh

[@rockycata6078]

Yeah, the numbers don't add up Viking. That needs to be at least 250kW charging, or that battery is just a dog. That car has a lot going on with modest quality and is ergonomically designed for comfort and convenience. I once had a Ford Fiesta Hatchback ...and it's too bad that Ford can't build this EV today🙄

[@yanxu7349]

The Australian retailers are greedy. Geely's EVs would not be any cheaper at the release time. Atto3 is $20k cheaper than Tesla Modely in China. If the same price in Australia, the sale's number will be double or triple.

[@mark123655]

Definitely a more normal interior than the Atto3 and seemingly with more standard inclusions.

[@thyristo]

Wouldn't compare new cars with a model that got released by BYD around 3 years ago.

[@chjin1796]

Although it was released three years ago, it's still on sale today.

[@fatboy19831]

The Chinese should sale a car like this through Mazda or Subaru. Let them do the final tuning. The price will go up. The final product will be more fun to drive. Hyundai has only worked out driving dynamics over the past 3 years or so. Most of their fleet are still not very nice to drive. It takes many years to work out driving dynamics.

[@shenlim7642]

does it have camp mode?

[@ISuperTed]

Very BMW iX like in profile. Nothing wrong with that.

[@chjin1796]

If you're talking about the number of wheels, yes.

[@ISuperTed]

@@chjin1796Body shape, obviously not the front and back and interior, oh and the quality!

[@glengosling5636]

Chinese cars must be worrying the c rap out existing car manufacturers.

[@RichardHilditch]

I am not sure why you are comparing this to the Atto 3, I thought it was the next size up and should be compared to the Sealion 7 or Seal U (Song plus) or Tesla Model Y.

[@KaisiirFlynn]

This was built to fight under the same segment with atto3. It was just bigger in overall dimensions. Plus pricing is little bit cheaper to atto3 too.

[@banyantree8618]

Would hate to be in the EV industry - literally every post across all influencers is “blah blah is In trouble” 😅

[@chjin1796]

Watch this video as a owner. Have been driving for three months.

[@Roberto-uk3ml]

And...what can you tell us?

[@chjin1796]

@Roberto-uk3ml A very nice car, suitable for family use, not suitable for intense driving. The suspension is soft and the chassis is high. Generally speaking, it is slightly better than BYD ATTO3 in most aspects, but the price is lower. Relatively outstanding features: The 16-speaker speaker system with 1000W power amplifier is far superior to the same price level. The flyme car system is also very good.

[@driver5347]

It's really more efficient. Look at the test from telescope

[@Adscam]

How do you guys decide to buy an EV vehicle? What is the reliability over 10 years. What is the replacement cost for the Led headlight and backlight if damaged in a fender bender.

[@FrankiePo89]

EV taxis in China have survived over half a million miles, on a lesser battery tech. Seem it is reliable.

[@zizimai7568]

Having owned Chinese cars, pretty sure the cost of parts are cheaper than say European cars at least in South East Asia where I stay.

[@ForPopli]

And who paid for your flight and accomodations?

[@eish3291]

Hopefully they gave you a drive so that you motoring hacks can tell them all the problems that need fixing before they start exporting to world markets.

[@De_Wukong]

Any new model comes and it’s bad news for companies or Tesla 😂😂😂😂

[@marketingwizdom]

Wherever the merits of this car, I just wish its exterior styling was not so stumpy and bland looking. So many good looking cars are coming out of China these days that it is a pity this is so bland.

[@chjin1796]

It's just that bland cars have a wider audience and sell better. Personalized design can only be liked by a small number of people.

[@marketingwizdom]

@ I wasn’t suggesting personalised design. I was suggesting more attractive design. Hyundai and Kia as well as many emerging Chinese brands have mastered this art and set the standard for car design in recent times.

[@ProfBarkley]

Geely is the budget home brand iPhone SE version of their cars. They also own Zeekr where they have put their attractive design just as you mention. They are purposely differentiating the classes of their products

[@fatboy19831]

What price point? In the States this would not be competitive with even the most basic Tesla Y. That SUV starts at 40k. Even the 50k Prolog……. 40k Chevy Blazer are both better options. Priced at 45 k us fully loaded it would do well for maybe half a year with the current driving dynamics. That is only if it is sold under an established name brand.

[@kevbrown1867]

This and all Chinese EV cars would have a 100 % tariff in other words they are banned in the USA . No Chinese automakers would waste time trying to export to the USA . If they didn’t have those tariffs they would put all the American automakers out of the business.,thus the reason for those insane tariffs. So they are more than competitive. That should answer your question

[@fatboy19831]

@@kevbrown1867 The Chinese will bypass the tariff. BYD and Geely are already in the States. All electric Volvo's are made in China. Many Buicks are also. The Chinese will build cars in the US and in Mexico. It wont matter. Cars like this with Zero name recognition and horrible driving dynamics with slow charging wont make it in the states. Ask Vinfast. Chinese cars will come in more refined under major brands like Toyota and Honda. They will have to meet their standards. like 300 mile real world range and at least 200kw charging. BYD has enough pull to make it in the states if they can provide a good service network and offer inexpensive high quality entry level cars. The Chinese need to make small to medium pickups electric, series hybrids and all electric Minivans. Were they have ZERO competition. They can sale them in the 45k to 75K range and offer the American public something completely unique. If they can make a self driving van or an inexpensive electric pick ups. They can sale millions. Trying to compete with the Y is a loosing game. At least in the states. GM has also really upped their game. Pricing alone wont carry the Chinese.

[@kevbrown1867]

All made in China EV after Oct 1st will have a 100 % tariff including Volvo .Chinese automakers will not bother exporting cars that have no chance of selling 100 % tariff basically means banned . There are over 90 different EV makers in China and most have products that surpass any Tesla . I sat in many the first time last month at the Vietnam motor show as they are starting to import to Vietnam. I was impressed with the quality and tech of these cars and the styling was gorgeous. The Chinese can beat anyone regardless of a cheap entry level car or high end luxury car . Don’t compare to Vinfast these Chinese cars were really premium. In Vietnam Vinfast cars are all over the place but most are owned by the Vinfast ride sharing app in other words Vinfast buys most their cars . I can see Vinfast having big troubles selling their VF 8 and VF 9 in the States at the price point they are at . But the smaller models may save the company if they can sell at a competitive price . The smallest VF3 may end up a big hit for someone that just wants a basic no frills city car to get around at 20 grand .; The USA doesn’t put 100% tariffs on Vinfast cause they know they aren’t a threat. Without banning the Chinese cars the North American car industry would be destroyed

[@fatboy19831]

@@kevbrown1867 We have to Agree to disagree. The Chinese will be a force to deal with. Tarrif or Not. The Base Tesla 3 that has almost every option you could want in a basic car Hits 60 in 5 seconds , has a 360 mile real world range at 70mph. More in stop and go driving. Excellent driving and ride dynamics a quiet well made interior. It can charge at 270kw wile having access to a nation wide changing network, extremely reliable and is 35k with the tax credit. 42 k without. The Chinese have nothing for that car. In fact 3 sales are fantastic in China. All new Y will be here any day now ready to be mass produced. Like I said the Chinese are coming. Volvo has a huge manufacturing facility in South Carolina. As soon as they can build a battery plaint to go with it. Bang we have American made Chinese cars. GM Cadilac products are pretty Amazing. They are for sale at a loss at this point. The Chinese have nothing for that market............Yet. Ford is not going anywhere. Even with their massive dept. We still have no idea how reliable Chinese cars will be. They have no track record.

[@Banmuyuan]

They don’t want you to drive aggressively to crash their cars.

[@stumckhall]

I’ll start by saying I respect and appreciate Geely and what they do, I think they are a good company doing innovative work. That said this vehicle is super disappointing, if your competitor is the Atto 3 and you under perform the rival, and the rival looks way better hmmmm…. Not impressive. Give me 600km range plus then maybe we’ll talk…

[@bkapc2955]

who paid or will be paying for your expenses to go to china ??

[@theharrisnow]

Comes from China, all from one big company with different names.

[@kamsunleong6648]

You are actually referring to the Tata Corpn from India. They seem to make everything from pins to planes.

[@Klentung8989]

Chinese civil war is always brutal...

[@dennissalisbury496]

Maybe drive safely, because you are not a race car driver.

[@IanNathan-p1g]

You really hate BYD don’t you .

[@PMI551]

interesting first comment lol

[@ISuperTed]

Bots strike again!

[@anonimato1987]

Are you 5 yo?

[@PMI551]

@@ISuperTed yep!

[@PMI551]

@@anonimato1987 are you?

[@destinaronin]

You are also hyping everything

[@azmiam1972]

Why do you wear a helmet in a production car?

[@MichaelWan-s3c]

have a back seat draw? How ugly idea is that.

This car looks so generic. No soul at all 🤔

[@fatboy19831]

The Chinese should sale a car like this through Mazda or Subaru. Let them do the final tuning. The price will go up. The final product will be more fun to drive. Hyundai has only worked out driving dynamics over the past 3 years or so. Most of their fleet are still not very nice to drive. It takes many years to work out driving dynamics.