Electrifying Heavy-Duty Vehicles: Everything Electric Panel

[@jonahfastre]

Chase and Sandy doing the handshake on right to repair was such a great moment

[@gotthumbs2235]

The difference is Chase is doing something about it...building his own product company. I don't know much about Sandy, but he comes off all mouth.....IMo. His initial review of the Ram Charger was that no one needed that 600+ mile range. Myself, I've driven 800 miles a day for two days a number times over the years because I'd rather drive than fly and I have hauled a trailer at times as well.

[@RENO_K]

​@@gotthumbs2235he has an engineering consultant company, he tears stuff down and review the engineering on them Independent engineering review

[@lburton874]

@@gotthumbs2235 exactly anyone that says you “don’t need the range” has never done long hauls (500miles or more) or never lived outside of a city.

[@sevilnatas]

If you get your hands on any home appliance's owner's manual from 40 years ago, it has a complete schematic and mechanical drawings, along with parts list, for that appliance. It was the standard practice. You can't tell me, with the technology we have now, that having that type of information available for every device sold, wouldn't be easier to put together and provide, today, then it was 40 years ago.

[@ronaldbrown2854]

No joke, today in the manual, they have to remind you that the fuel nozzle does not belong in your arse.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

I recently had to do that for a secondhand lawnmower, and having a diagram to cross-reference every single part on it was indescribably helpful to figure out what it needed. Even moreso with the documents online, you can do it from your phone if you need to. Notably, you also need to have access to the internals - being able to open the back of a phone and having access panels on cars and so forth, something a lot of companies seem to like phasing out now.

[@keithjacobson4493]

When you are on a panel with Sandy Monroe, and he offers a compliment like you got, you are in rare atmosphere. Good for Edison Motors!

[@Elyon113]

we need modular electric systems that are open source and universal, you guys are doing amazing work 👍

[@metalhead2550]

I love that Sandy is a cheerleader for you guys, says so much to the product you've created!

[@lirothen]

Do things not because they are easy, but because you thought they would be easy and are now committed

[@RENO_K]

😂😂😂😂hahaahaha

[@ljensen16]

As a regular watcher of this channel and Two Bit DaVinci, I love that Ricky from Two Bit DaVinci is in on this event because this is fantastic. Heavy Duty Applications can SO easily be improved to increase efficiency as well as work towards less emissions via electrification. Nice!

[@Ratkill9000]

How difficult is it to electrify mining? Good lord this guy has been under a rock. Rope shovels and some of the hydraulic shovels have had the electric option for damn near a century now. Cat has been producing diesel electric mining equipment for a while now. Regardless, glad to see Edison at more shows spreading the word about their company.

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

You have the point right there there are two many politicians a business/finance types that have no idea about Environmental, energy and engineering issues.. That includes much of the legacy automotive trade. Which as Sandy said is too intent on hacking your bank account via standing orders... then leaving your personal and financial details lying around on line to be sold on or nicked by fun loving criminals 💵or 🧌🤑 state actors trying to screw everyone over for saying no... to hostile takeovers.🤨🤦🏻🤷🏻.

[@carlthor91]

Underground equipment as well. McLean Engineering has had the electric tram option for their equipment, for some years now. Drive it to the next workplace. Hook up to the plug, start working, while recharging the tram batteries. Saves on the mine ventilation, as well. Take care all.

[@vincentgrinn2665]

honestly cat is a few decades behind everyone else when it comes to diesel electric equipment like, almost all of their ultra class haulers are diesel mechanical?? komatsu and liebherr havnt made those for ages now whole industry is kind of backwards and slow though tbh, despite electric drive just being better, most equipment is diesel mechanical, even if it was electric at some point in the past

[@carlthor91]

@@vincentgrinn2665 Steeper grades favour mechanical. Electrical, strains the motors more. FYI. Flatter grades favour electric, easier running, lower wear/strain. The manufacturers change abilities by changing final planetary ratios.

[@mariankerler2134]

​@@carlthor91why? at the end the force ist moving you, so for rotating Things Its Torque. And If you have ever tried to make a system with Gears and Diesel all the way Mechanik way you learn how complex it's gets.

[@bentleyjosephhamilton8392]

I love that Chase is in flannel, jeans and work boots on stage with these polished shoe CEO’s 😂

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

Civilian Canucks national dress...😎👍🏻😂🧙🏼‍♂️

Not one person on that stage has polished shoes.

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

Yeah. A few looked like they were only wearing polo shirts because someone had hidden all their flannel. Looking at the shoes, actually, is an interesting measure of each of them.

[@howardkettner]

Awesome comments Chace

[@teoengchin]

A long sleeve flannel shirt is technically more formal than a short sleeve polo T

[@Validole]

Sandy: "I am sooo pro right-to-repair" Also Sandy: "This assembly has too many bolts, it should be two moldings with snap-fit break-off fastening"

[@Tank-o6n]

Can't wait for the pickup trucks

[@capnkirk5528]

Looking to see what DeBoss does with them. And others, but I think from the "do it right" AND "spread the word" standpoints DeBoss is going to be the right kind of partner for Edison.

[@bullithedjames937]

I want to get my 94 Isuzu that electric axle. I can't wait.

[@EjNappe]

The host of panel, "we put together a panel full of Industry experts to inform Canadians on a particular subject", Chase and Sandy Talk the entire time. All jokes aside, I love momentum and attention Edison is getting. Congratulations boys!

[@NirvanaFan5000]

in addition to a list of parts, companies should include instructions on taking them apart. this will help consumers, and I'm hoping that in a few years it'll allow robots to disassemble complex waste for better recycling

[@crazywolf450r]

Edison posts > I give like

[@sevilnatas]

The issue with batteries in the trailer is that the extra range that you are adding is directly impacting the amount of cargo you are able to haul. What isn't widely known by the public is that there are caps on how much a truck can haul and one of the biggest balancing acts there is for electrifying cargo hauling, is balancing the weight of the batteries, with the weight capacities allowed to be hauled. You can keep adding batteries for longer ranges, but at a certain point, each pound of battery that you add, you gotta reduce your hauling capacity by a pound. So, in other words, running outta battery room on the tractor hasn't yet been a problem, in that adding batteries to the trailer has become a necessity.

[@gchris1642]

In an off highway application it doesn’t matter much. There’s quite a few Canadian trucks that operate off highway only

[@sevilnatas]

@@gchris1642 Agreed. Just a miniscule percentage compared to on highway applications.

[@Eiertschik]

Not always is the load limit determined by the weight. If you're hauling furniture or similar goods with lots of "air" in them, then space is gonna restrict you sooner than weight. Plus: electric trucks already get additional weight allowance to balance out the weight of the batteries.

[@mariankerler2134]

For European Market IT IS almost solved Problem, Iveco, Daimler Truck and Others have eTrucks with enough range for the day

[@Eiertschik]

@@mariankerler2134 European truckers need to take a break of 45min after 4,5h of straight driving. And may not drive for more than 9h in total per day. So they have plenty of breaks where the can recharge their trucks. Truckers in the US are allowed to drive for 11h straight without a break and Canadian truckers can even go for 13h without a stop. So there's less opportunity for recharging if you want to max out your driving times.

[@evopwrmods]

Did double take when saw 2 bit Devinci, would recognize that Homer beard mile away. Great to have your company a seat at that table. Only matter of time now. Yall have already made reached Legitimacy ... Congratulations !!!

[@JohnWoods-bs3op]

Here in the states there was a company called Diamond Heayy Haul they built their own trailers . I personally have unloaded some of them .They built 22 axle two lane trailer with a automatic powered cat driving the rear. Perfect place for diesel electric . So why not do it to both ends. Hats off t Edison Motors . You guys are on the right track in my mind!!!

[@christopherplantijn3798]

It's great that you guys are releasing so much social media content lately! But hopefully you guys are still full throttle on development. I'm waiting for you folks to release a medium duty chassis hybrid kit so I can convert a school bus!

[@bartroberts1514]

Use biodiesel from wood waste through pyrolysis, and you can have a 100% timber-driven timber transport chain.

[@t-yoonit]

I find it funny that the second guy that spoke wanted to get large mining vehicles and equipment converted to electric but not only did he fail to name the equipment (haul truck, excavator?) he couldn't even describe it "the big uh huge uh about the size of here to that pillar scoop bucket thing." Prime example of people that don't have a fucking clue what your job is, trying to convince you that they can somehow tell you how to do it better. That shit grinds my gears.

[@ForeverNeverwhere1]

Sandy Munro, he does have a clue about cars, but he has gone full on sucking Elons dick of late, and is a huge fan of removing every single part of a vehicle that isn't necessary even if it makes the vehicle utterly unrepairable if it fails.

[@Sah-o5m]

I'm sorry about your gears :( In Sandy Munro's defense (the 2nd speaker), I think he's forgotten more about auto's than most people will ever know. He's 75, I'll cut him a little slack on specifics. I'll encourage you go visit his youtube channel and try to see where he's coming from. You may soften your heart. Though I grant you the space to feel however you want! You do you! :)

[@Jcewazhere]

Pretty sure you're talking about Sandy Munroe, he's kind of a legend in the industry. You can see lots of his work here on KZbin. Check out those massive Hitatchi dump trucks. Or their excavators. Or if you don't like Hitachi how bout Volvo? They're making them too. Or the Komatsu electric excavators. There's a ton that are full battery, and a bunch that are cabled with smaller batteries that get constant charging from the nearby power grid. I do love what Edison is doing, there are indeed places/situations where having an onboard generator like that makes sense. But like Sandy was trying to say deep in the mines where you care about air quality isn't one of them. And keeping everything hybrid increases vehicle complexity and keeps OPEC and the megacorps in power.

[@inothome]

@@Sah-o5m All Sandy is good for is how to cut costs on manufacturing. He's all about maximizing profits, not actual longevity or repairability. Stopped watching him years ago when he thought it was brilliant that Apple stopped shipping chargers with phones. eff that guy and his penny pinching BS. Another example, he promotes using plastic clips over screws so it saves seconds on assembling what-ever. Yeah, then 4 years later when someone has to open up that assembly to repair it and all the damn plastic clips break, great idea!!! Or, some of the Tesla electronics that went from repairable for capable refurbishers to basically garbage and non-repairable junk and he praises that type of stuff. Hopefully he steers clear of Edison Motors and doesn't offer any "advice". Ok, rant over...... lol

[@1944chevytruck]

AWESOME!.. CONGRATS!

[@kb9oak749]

Sandy Munro is on fire!❤‍🔥

[@johnsmith-bt4ur]

How about you two put together a battery pack motor drive set. Take a tray back Hilux and insert replacable parts under tray with belt drive to tail shaft. Engine helper as in truck. I saw the space under mine and thought that the tail shaft could be a generator motor. Chuck in a couple o replaceable batteries.

[@D2O2]

I am sure Sandy would love for Edison to hire him to consult.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

"Hybrids will be like the pet rocks of the future, no one will want them" is interesting. I had a prius for years, and I loved that thing, but when I look at other hybrid vehicles they often have very different setups. Having two completely independent systems, a fuel engine and a battery bank, that just don't communicate or interact with one another at all, is something I've noticed, and yeah, I can imagine that would just be a bit more annoying than a regular car is now. That prius didn't have an electric charge port; if the battery needed charging, it would run the engine for a bit to bring it up. Wasn't any less convenient than any other car.

[@phillipgodwin6639]

Road trains in Australia. Some have a power unit controlled by the driver.

[@jimcalver-oj4xf]

Hey, how does a person connect with you for project interest? I refer to the US where CARB is now causing some new RV's to not be shipped to several states. Could you electrify an RV practically and use the existing low VA (watt) generator as a quasi hybrid? We are currently looking at used RV's in Alberta.

[@nathan-ly6td]

I want a parts list of the drive components so I could build a diy setup for cheap 😂

[@ronaldbrown2854]

While my car is not a hybrid, it did in fact come equipped with a fully functioning Frunk in 1991. Long live the Frunk! Long live the 911…and the 964.

[@lpdirv]

Self shunting rail cars should be a thing. Use each car for braking to charge the battery and assist in pulling grades. 200 hp x 100 cars, each with a 100 kw battery is a no brainer. An extra 100 drive/regen axles and 20 000 hp on one train would save a lot of fuel. Thats an easy way to hybridize rail cars and self shunting would increase efficiency in the yard tremendously. The rail guys can really step out of the 19 th century into the 21st finally.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

I could see this being a massive investment - the rail cars would be a bit more expensive, and every rail car would need replacing or retrofit to fully utilize this system - but it would be so worth it. Each standard freight car has, what, four axles? And a freight train averages 90 to 120 cars - that's 400 axles, give or take. And I can't imagine weight would be too much of a concern for tracks able to handle the locomotives themselves.

[@ok-alarm]

best moment 10:50 😂

[@viper5955]

Sandy Munro for president

[@nicholaspatton1742]

Chase teaching the experts...... again...lol

[@Dr_Nick_]

Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! Out of scraps!

[@eddeetz493]

Edison will own the working class trucks for decades. In 10 years upgrade the battery bank and use the old one at 75% or higher storage for a off grid solar system. Every military truck can power the entire camp or base. No 24 hr ice generators needed. This tech as with trains, will never go away. Edison can also cross train for solar, battery genset diy installs. They already make a solar battery light tower trailer for a Catepillar dealership.

[@Nagasaki-In-1945]

Do yall know how much topsy is going to cost when it’s fully finished?

[@brendancross2767]

Topsy is a production prototype and won’t be for sale, since these are vocational there really isn’t a set MSRP. In the past chace has estimated these can be expected to cost around 20-30% more than an equivalent conventional diesel truck

[@Nagasaki-In-1945]

@ Thank you.

[@johnmacias01]

Much appreciation to you guys making this happen. How do you become an investor? Thanks

[@vincentgrinn2665]

look on the website i dont think theyre legally allowed to give out information on investment here, its always just " look on the website, thats all im allowed to say here"

[@EdisonMotors]

Any information about the company is available on our website

[@Jcewazhere]

Crappy audio, awesome content.

[@EdisonMotors]

I had asked the guys working the audio booth if I could have a copy, and they wouldn’t give one to me, so we had to go with audio off our cameras, which for the environment was crap. -Theron

[@lburton874]

7:25 yes… pro environment is more that just energy efficiency. What generations more waste….. one tool at 80% efficiency that lasts 30 years or a new tool every year tha happens to be 90% efficiency. Let use fix stuff. I would keep a phone for years if I could replace the battery

[@qazserNOS]

Great panel, poor audio quality

[@suggesttwo]

8:21 a switch in the battery pack breaks the circuit internally. In the middle of the stack voltage internally reduced by half. Gasoline is very dangerous to. I know someone who had a bad burn from a gas tank. A little static electricity is all that's needed.

[@grantlauzon5237]

20:14 The sunk cost fallacy of accidental market disruption and innovation.

[@harrycraviotto2375]

Great content tell it like it is! BS! Tell these pin heads right to repair to take a hike! JOHN DEERE WITH THEIR 10BILLION PROFIT COMES TO MIND,!

[@neilgillespie7435]

What is being said is common sense

[@raquelandrescagigasbermejo7680]

think of the children is a big tell for just about anything the government says

[@sideshowron]

In world war 2;the Germans built a better tank but was impossible to repair in field bthe Sherman was simple to where those good old farm boys could operate and repair with ease and we built more of them

[@noelsnave9395]

Is that any way I can invest without needing to have a financial license? I tried and I needed multiple license or somthing that I did not have. And I was sad I could not but any shares.

[@wocookie2277]

I agree with the additional power pack for the limitation of batteries. But a turbine burning biogas created from sewage plants to produce the power for re generation, should be the goal away from diesel. Poo powered semi trucks, should be the goal. We need trucks for food that makes poo. A symbiotic loop. Just like nature.

[@spankeyfish]

I dunno what they're burning but back in 2016 a small fleet of garbage trucks was converted to turbine-electric drivetrains by Wrightspeed.

[@neilgillespie7435]

Car used to have carburettor and points fuel pump that was about it steel head steel block simple

[@kingtut5923]

Who is operating the volume. No good.

[@222INFINITY]

3:10 hybrids make no sense Sandy, this senile old fool is so out of touch, Sandy is a Tesla Fan Boy who has totally lost it. Hybrids, especially the plug-in variety are what's fueling the EV industry, it's all about range anxiety, charge times, and not having to pay for and drag the weight around of a 150 KWH battery.

[@Butch-fn2xr]

John Deere doesn’t mind someone working on their equipment if they know what they’re doing, they just don’t want some idiot with a $2 test light probing wires The systems in that million dollar tractor is a lot more complex than your hybrid truck. If you buy the equipment to do it with and learn how to use it you can repair it.

[@redneckguy2169]

When you reduce your fuel consumption by 30-40% your rates are gonna drop. The mill company will see the benefit at the end. Just like back in the day when trucking went from tandem to tridem or b-trains. The rates just dropped and the trucker wasn't any better off other than got more work than the next guy and had to spend more money to upgrade and maintain. Sorry to say but that's how shit happens. Hopefully it won't.

[@ingo_8628]

Even Sandy Munro confuses Transit and Transit Custom. NO, NO, NO the real Transit has nothing to do with any other Brand, a Ford Transit is a Ford Transit PERIOD The Transit Custom, whats the base for some Volkswagen, is a way smaller vehicle. Shame on Ford for confusing people with that family-name-politics.

[@ATF1985]

Sucks that Americans can’t invest in ur company because r government a joke , u have to make over 200k a year to invest in a company