Long term review: Peugeot E-308 SW. Would we still choose it after six months? | Electrifying

[@karlInSanDiego]

That rust is because it's a cast iron brake disc. Cast iron rusts. It will not harm the brake performance, or rot away. See every car you've ever washed after you've washed it. This is how you reassure yourself you weren't overcharged for carbon ceramic brakes on your Pug.

[@AppleUK2000]

Love Peugeots! So alluring adding style and thrill. The i-Cockpit makes me feel like I'm controling a spaceship. Bravo Peugeot

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Peugeots.

[@AppleUK2000]

@@Nickbaldeagle02 Thank you, corrected

[@tochukwuezinwa2122]

Peugeot just makes beautiful cars... just a little bit more power will be fine

[@TheGoodDrEvil]

I’m currently driving the PHEV version of this. I’m ~185cm/6’ and I’ve no problem at all with the steering wheel. I’ve recently driven it from Brussels to the Rome area and I would’ve preferred to have done that in the EV version. Not in a single day mind, the EV version is definitely not the right EV to try that in. But having a toddler in the back, we split the journey over three days. 5-7hs of driving each day. I could’ve done that in the EV version. Sure, I would’ve had to stop a bit more often than I’d preferred BUT: I would’ve had a nice and smooth driving experience throughout the trip. Whereas the PHEV’s ride becomes considerably less nice when the battery depletes after say 1.5-2hs of hybrid driving. At that point you’re just driving a normal hybrid and that annoys me at this stage. I wish the EV version had more range and faster charging, but I’d still take it over the PHEV version. I wouldn’t necessarily take the 308 over the Astra though. I had the Astra PHEV hatchback before the 308SW and the Astra certainly beats the 308 on some points. I think it’s a handsome car too so don’t be fooled into thinking the Peugeot is necessarily better. It’s a pretty car but its design is also more pretentious and well… it doesn’t always deliver. In some points, the no nonsense Opel approach is just better. Those I-toggles are an example. Could’ve been better than the Astra way…. but just aren’t. They’re worse.

[@tomooo2637]

Keyless entry : keep your keys in a metal tin (ferromagnetic - does a magnet stick to it). I use a small gift toffee tin, or you will get your car stolen using a easy to purchase signal capture and amplifier to pretend that the key in your house is next to your car - then they will drive off. The most common theft method at the moment.

[@fairybuddy-angel2035]

Peugeot and Citroen have just come 5th and 4th in the Driver Power Survey. I've had 2 2008 ICE and they have been great - nippy, economical, comfortable and no build issues. They look excellent too. Not convinced by EV in the UK so no brands win me over. Would like me a 208 ICE but will stick with my excellent 2008.

[@use-oc4mj6n]

Driver power survey means nothing. Only mugs believe nonsense like this

[@colinwiseman]

The not complete stop one pedal driving works for me. I know all the traffic lights quite well in my town, so not completely stopping means I don't need to accelerate and brake as often. I love me e-208.

[@alangravy27]

I have the PHEV version and love it. If the electric version had the motor and 73KWH battery out of the 3008, i would consider it.but its not enough power or range. A couple of corrections. The Hybrid and electric versions have 548 litres of boot and google maps instructions do apppear on the main screen if you are in the correct view.

[@johnknight9150]

Now this is more like it. I don't click half these new car reviews because it seems like they're 99% mummy-pants SUVs and I'd rather have diphtheria. More of this please! 🙂

[@basnoordkamp9842]

You convinced me! This video is fun to watch!

[@PaulMeier-cu3ds]

Fun review, thank you. I was given a Peugeot as a courtesy car when I took mine in for a service. I found I like the small steering wheel for precisely the reason Nicola gave which is that you can throw the car around. The other thing which I admire increasingly is that Stellantis has produced platforms with really good underpinnings but which are able to take on the characteristics of the brand you happen to be in. So this thing feels Peugeot. Another thing I like about the Stellantis platforms is that you get a sensible sized battery (54kwh) rather than some behemoth designed for a moonshot. Very few of us do more than 200 miles in a normal day and quite a lot of us outside of cities can charge at home, so who needs 400 miles? Really? So if you like a Peugeot look and feel this works. I agree it seems a bit underpowered BTW.

[@MrSnicol]

The underpinning started life in 2003!!!

[@PaulMeier-cu3ds]

@@MrSnicol Ok. But it seems to be working well at the moment.

[@Nigelrudyardmusic]

It's a very smart thing. Nice to see another electric estate.

[@pauladams5673]

"Maybe it's not as efficient as the Astra". The Vauxhall Astra is a Peugeot 308 with Vauxhall/Opel styling.

[@igor6559]

Sometimes small changes at front end and size of the wheels could make efficiency changes

[@huwdavies6650]

The EMP2 platform has always been a good platform since it was launched in 2013. It is a testament to good design that after so many years of evolution it can support EV architecture and still be a joy to drive. It also has a relatively low weight, especially when compared to its successor platform STLA Medium.

[@CarlosFandango1975]

Please please please can you look on the cars menu and tell us what that car says it’s efficiency has been since new. If it’s done 3k miles that’ll show us the real world miles/kwh from people not laboratory. I’m an Mg5 long boy owner and love it. Old fashioned, yes but not oversized so fits nicely in car park spaces etc not like all the other extra wide small Evs

[@tooflesstesla]

Nice intro. Perhaps compare estates? E-308 SW and the MG5?

[@FormulaWhine]

My 2010 Laguna has keyless entry and exit that works just like that... I do love Peugeot's styling. They're far prettier than the current crop of BMWs.

[@use-oc4mj6n]

When is your eye test due ? 😂

[@FormulaWhine]

@@use-oc4mj6n I'm guessing if you find the current crop of BMWs attractive you don't wear glasses. Yet. 🤣

[@madmandonna1]

I do love the Peugeot designs and the interiors are very nice, but their pricing is Ludacris.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

@@madmandonna1 their, ludicrous

[@madmandonna1]

@@Nickbaldeagle02 I have no idea what you're talking about ;)

[@Noah_E]

It's a Stellantis product, aka over-priced. I recently saw a chart with how model prices had changed since the pandemic and most were 20-30% higher now. Stellantis was over 50% more expensive. And they have some of the industry's worst customer service and reliability. I don't understand why people keep buying them.

[@shad0wyenigma]

If you have a 3.8 miles per kWh efficiency and a 51 kWh battery then you’ll get 193.8 miles not 210. It’s simple maths.

[@barrymurton8988]

I’m a titch and love the small steering wheels of the Peugeot’s!

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

@@barrymurton8988 Peugeots

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Hmmm, Nicola... As always, a fun, engaging review - so, thank you for that. 👍 But, efficiency...? "I'm getting, roughly, 3.8 miles/kWh..." 3.8 x 51kWh usable battery capacity is only 193 miles - so not exactly the "around 210 miles" you suggested in the video...!

[@mikesmith666]

Less than 200 miles for an estate imho isn't good enough. Fine for a 2nd car but in most cases this would be the main vehicle

[@o0alias0o]

What in the BOT is going on hereeeeee. The bots are on almost every video I watch on any channel. Does anyone know what the point of them are?

[@jamesengland7461]

Porn marketing, I guess?

[@andrewjohnston1963]

I drive a 2015 308GT with a v punchy (get it!) 2l diesel. But range of 500plus miles. Cannot imagine having to re charge 3/4 times on my regular drives to French Alps and Czech Rep. Don’t you think it 2-3 years range of evs will have developed greatly? Shame as in all other areas my perfect car.

[@simondehaas8784]

I could see myself buying a used one of these in 2.5 years when my current PCP ends. I was put off 3 months ago by the power figure and high initial price but am starting to realise the power may not be the end of the world. Does it take a roof box?

[@lukeknowles5700]

Very attractive car.

[@lesvassallo5760]

Very Nice It's Lovely 🎉 Don't forget the camera man is in the boot 😂

[@SWR112]

Why the auto industry when it had a chance to report range well and precise they have went all mpg that are always inflated. If it does real world 210 miles say that.

[@WilliamMcBride]

The thing with Apple CarPlay I’m fairly certain is an Apple thing not a Peugeot thing, my dads 2018 Skoda Apple Maps also never integrated with instrument cluster and HUD until recently, so that explains why it works on Apple Maps but not google maps.

[@AlanTov]

Nice one Nic!

[@vhol93]

Beauty !

[@huwjones5879]

This is the EV so many people say they want, just like their ICE car but electric, so it should sell in high numbers. Sadly it won't. I've no idea why it should have a transmission tunnel in the rear as the ICE version is front wheel drive.

[@MotorScotti]

The transmission tunnel is no a transmission tunnel but an exhaust tunnel for the ICE or hybrid version of the car. A compromise you have to make when building one platform for bothe ICE and pure EV.

[@hishamg]

The car looks great inside and out, but I’m 5 foot 10, so I might struggle and I’m not keen on the idea of looking over the steering wheel at the binnacle. I wonder what Mike made of it?

[@Trashed20659]

My experience with wireless Android Auto has been that the phone will disconnect from time to time. Never happens with plugging into the USB port, so I just do that.

[@HairyCheese]

How're you getting on with podcasts being moved to ytmusic? I'm finding if the car does an announcement it pauses the podcast and never restarts it grrrrr

[@pigletsdaddy3052]

I hope you can disable keyless entry. I wouldn't want that.

[@francisdoran971]

Almost the perfect ev. Not an SUV. Stylish. Not TOO expensive, a big boot. But it can't tow even a kilo and that rules it out.

[@mbvgkjhgvkugvouklgb]

Great looks, good enough performance and practicality for what it is, at a fair price, but rust? Already? On a press car? I know it’s french but …

[@marting7639]

Fair price? It's almost 50.000 € !

[@marcuswoodgate4026]

The rust on the rear brakes is normal. New brakes go rusty almost immediately once they get wet once. It’s cast iron and that’s what’s happens with that.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

@@mbvgkjhgvkugvouklgb the rust disappears after the first time you brake. It's what cast iron brakes do.

[@barrymurton8988]

Isn’t a sun roof an option?

[@anonymouspdg6121]

OK Peugeot design department, design a longboy (estate) with plenty of capacity for a family and associated stuff. Great the 308SW. Huge boot, lovely space in the front seats but hold on, only suitable for small people in the back seats? What's going on, anyone above 11 years of age cant come as they might be too big?? Not sue that makes much sense? I do like an estate, touring, avant or longboy but isn't the whole idea of an estates to carry the passengers and associated 'stuff' in comfort. Maybe Nickys experience with her young family is very relevant?

[@paulhammond5599]

Price ??

[@asegPL]

Stellantis really acts like they totally want you to avoid their EV range. No one pedal driving, 0-60 in two business days, 136 or 156HP - which year it is? MG 4 has better 0-60, more powerful motor and one pedal driving. And costs less than 308 or Astra. Personally I chose Kona EV, it's a way better package than the Stellantis' offerings.

[@thezanzibarbarian5729]

Who the heck, unless they have a dyslexic guide dog, would ever look at this Pug and think it's a BMW? 🤔😲 😅🤣😂

[@thedreamfactory6964]

I was thinking the same! Unbelievable.

[@jamespaul2587]

Exactly, it looks a bit like a Nissan from some angles

[@6ettinold]

Only anyone with a guide dog would find anything in the current BMW range attractive. They are hardly something to aspire to.

[@jdmguy44]

​@@6ettinoldAgree BMW's look awful these days.

[@thedreamfactory6964]

@@6ettinold Agree 98%. Because in some way i like the i4. It’s just one of a few 4 door saloons existing as ev.

[@Noah_E]

It doesn't have the BMW kidney grille. If I saw it without badges as was told to guess what it was I would say Buick.

[@colinpercy2028]

11:20 “You know what I mean “ 😮

[@ISuperTed]

We’d love to get an EV estate to replace our aging diesel, but this e308 just doesn’t work for us. Like most estate owners we want a reasonably priced, practical family car with good range. The e308 fails on 2 of those criteria. Range needs to be 100 miles more for a start. Pricing is a joke. Saying that these will be 20% off new in a few months and 50% off used in a year, if not more. Why Stellantis think anyone will pay £40k plus is beyond me. MG5 too small, Astra estate same issues as the Peugeot. Other than that just stupidly priced BMW’s. Ho hum, the wait continues.

[@sebastiansandvik825]

Doesn't look too bad, but why pick this over something like the ID.4 that costs the same? The ID.4 has more power, and most importantly a much bigger battery and faster charging. It's just too expensive.

[@drfisheye]

The cheapest ID.4 is 3.000 pounds more expensive and has a smaller battery, less range, cheap interior, annoying swipe buttons, ugly styling, and slower average charging (which is more important than max charging).

[@sebastiansandvik825]

@@drfisheye Here in Finland the E-308 SW 50.8kWh is 47 418€, while the 77kWh ID.4 is 47 990€. For comparison, the base spec Model Y is 45 990€. The E-308 could be a great buy if it was maybe 41 990€. But I agree that the smaller battery ID.4 Pure isn't a good deal. No idea why anyone would buy it when the price difference to the bigger battery is only 3000€, which comes with more power and faster charging too.

[@dcvariousvids8082]

What’s with the need for ICEEV makers to stick SW on the end of estate car descriptors? How many owners will be filling their EV estates with three dozen over-unders and side-by-side 12-bores, then driving onto the moors from manor houses or loading up the punt guns in the hope of decimating the local waterfowl population? If people want to believe they’re of the landed gentry or top brass in the police. They should buy one of the many unreliable offerings from the JLR stable. Then follow a gillie who’s driving a Series 2.

[@jvoric]

Looking for an estate car to replace my 2016 astra diesel estate Sri Nav auto…mg5? This Peugeot?, the new Astra estate ? Anymore suggestions?

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

@@jvoric Audi RS6

[@hjas42]

@@Nickbaldeagle02 the MG5 might be very cheap used, but otherwise for decent range you can only really go to the expensive BMW, VW or Audi. Maybe Nio ET5 if they are available where you live. Especially on cheaper end and used market, anything slightly bigger will be a crossover/SUV unfortunately.

[@BobTheBlue]

Does the UK Gvmt subsidise this lot?

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

No

[@jasonbernard1277]

I wouldn’t rate anything Nicki Shields says. If it’s not a Range Rover, she won’t go for it

[@richardfittonperkins1926]

What the bobbins are you talking about? This isn’t even a Nicki Shields video!

[@hjas42]

With a 70 kwh or so battery I could have forgiven them the bad efficiency and transmission tunnel. But like this it’s simply useless as a family car for a lot of people. It’s the perfect car to prove EV haters right with this terrible range. Our 2019 Kona has significantly longer range, so whenever we feel like our family needs a bigger car, I really hope enough manufacturers have gotten it together that there are decent range wagon style EVs on the used market. I don’t need a fancy new ID.7 or BMW Tourer, but this here is simply too terrible to even consider.

[@igor6559]

Yeah Big Motorola mobile phones like bricks was for somebody useful too - time is needed for competition and engineering.Another analogy i like is electric battery powered drills- you don't want to carry too heavy battery with the drill too if you could swap it for charged another battery

[@sussexbikerpillion]

Once you’ve had suv you never go back. Just so much more practical. A good company car for workman or reps.

[@davidvestey6014]

I’m going back. SUV = terrible fuel economy and awful handling

[@ISuperTed]

Wrong, we did and have. Estate suits our dogs/camping lifestyle better. Lower load lip helps. Horses for courses but an SUV isn’t for us.

[@WagnerGimenes]

MORE DOGS!!! Listen to your fans, please 😇😇

[@michaelridley2864]

3.8 miles/kWh feels pretty poor for a car that should be more aerodynamic than an SUV, particularly if that was over the summer. Our ID4, which has a similar size battery, does much better than that. And personally the transmission tunnel in an EV would drive me mad!

[@karlsjostedt8415]

ID.4 is much smaller car. Look how much space there is behind the rear seats. Needs to be compared to a giant SUV like the EV9...

[@michaelridley2864]

Well I checked this and it turns out that both cars are 1852mm wide, but being an SUV, the ID4 is actually taller (1631mm vs 1442mm for the 308SW) which is what will increase the drag relative to the 308 because of the larger frontal area. Yet the 308 is still less efficient. Id4 is also slightly shorter (4584mm vs 4636mm) but obviously that doesn't affect the efficiency in the same way!

[@tradingcardboss]

The Half inch always matters 😂

[@dennisbuckley]

Whip it. Whip it good.

[@PhiLPHiL]

What happens if you walk away and the car locks your French "longboy" in it?

[@ianrob4760]

just far far too expensive no matter how good it is, but certainly one for the second hand market over the next few years

[@pauladams5673]

You wouldn't pay the asking price. Peugeot make a substantial contribution to the deposit of you go for finance and there would be a big discount if you were paying cash.

[@simondehaas8784]

There have been some good lease offers too

[@ianrob4760]

@@simondehaas8784 it is the way it will work and hopefully will be part of the wider movement towards to EV

[@charliebravo8114]

You threw Nicki under the bus :-)

[@BMWHP2]

Hmnmmm, I dislike these quasimodo cars, the humpback thing. But i like the person presenting this program.😁 Nice interior and styling. I like these French EV's Thanks for the fun Nicola.

[@SaK-w4c]

Every car they review is decent and beautiful apparently. As long as it's an ev

[@colinrobinson7869]

It's the fake chrome trim around where the pollution pipes should be that makes it a no no for me, come on it only needed to have the lower rear trim changed plus as a estate car it should have far better economy so it's a 2 out of 10 from me.

[@karlInSanDiego]

No car needs a panoramic roof. That's a BS feature that's overheating cars anytime the sun is shining. Stop complaining about EVs costing too much, and then reinforcing dumb Tesla ideas. Thanks for listening to my very short podcast

[@thedreamfactory6964]

A pano roof gives a wonderful feeling of space and air in the car. I would never ever consider paying for it, but it came standard on my Model 3. Now I love it. No BS at all. Overheating? No problem. I always switch the climate control on 5 to 10 minutes before driving. As well in winter as summer.

[@tinycmo]

Like pano roof. George Jetson has a pano roof.

[@S4MM7ify]

I love a pano roof. I would (and did) pay extra for it.

[@karlsjostedt8415]

They glass roofs do.no5 cost that much considering how much stronger they are, how much more structure you would need if you did not have the glass. Plus you gain about three inches of height to the interior...

[@kimmeddies6689]

You need a pan roof to compensate for the dire “coal bunker” dark interiors and the blind is there to shade the interior if you so desire or maybe try the scenic roof

[@PLIDD]

MG5 Trophy is Better

[@ISuperTed]

Much small boot space though. We looked at one, not enough for our 2 big dogs and camping gear needs. Peugeot way overpriced though.

[@PLIDD]

@@ISuperTed True

[@barrymurton8988]

How much £

[@ISuperTed]

Too much

[@tonybarton3746]

Car radios use dab which comes over the airwaves so it takes a little longer to tune in between your favourites ,at home etc a lot of radios nowadays use the internet full fibre via wi-fi so it’s a lot quicker to tune , but you may lose sound quality 👍👍😊👍👍

[@MrHabushi]

That isn't why it's slow, it's entirely down to the interface design and software.

[@derrick021]

this damn thing looks like my death

[@BryanSeigneur0]

Not a "lohng bwah"?

[@h_a-www]

Show some "Electrifying" truths about these battery cars with too much technology.. - e.g. repair costs, insurance costs. Who can repair these tech wonders, when things dont work ?

[@HairyCheese]

Long boi 😂

[@m9j16]

lol i know what you mean

[@gregj7916]

The dash layout is just a shit show…

[@clonSanG]

My Volvo jdm 2015 v40 has all that stuff and keyless it’s old tec

[@thedreamfactory6964]

Yeah, why point out on 'keyless entry'? At this pricepoint? It's the bare minimum. Same for the pano roof. Where is it?

[@jamesengland7461]

150hp and 100kw charging? Kind of lame.

[@mikadavies660]

On paper.... Those numbers are pretty average. But as a simple 308, it is adequate. I have a similar spec on my Citroen E-C4 and it does everything our family needs. The only issue with Stellantis cars, is their RRP is way too high and need negotiating downwards.

[@tesla-spectre]

Nowadays everybody wants 500hp. 150 is totally sufficient for 95% of all people. Charging is not fast though.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

You mean it will be affordable to insure?

[@mikadavies660]

@@Nickbaldeagle02 No idea on Peugeot. But my Citroen electric is far cheaper to insure than Polestar, BMW or Tesla.... So my guess is it will be. 150bhp is not sports car insurance.

[@thedreamfactory6964]

That's just the Stellantis Standard and way of working.

[@Yanquetino]

You make me laugh with your "long boy" label, Nicola: it will appeal to machos who think that "size matters." You probably titillated them talking about "whipping"! Wish I could see that 3D screen. Must be a combination of binnacle and heads-up display…? I'd like it much more if it had one-pedal driving (a must for me). I sure we had these -and so many other EVs- on the left side of the Atlantic. Lucky Europeans!

[@TheEditorify]

I can be your long boi, Nicola!

[@rogeriogomesosorio4755]

You can say whatever you want ,but this car is a joke of an EV. 100kW charging speed? In 2024? Please… build quality is really lame, as well.

[@fairybuddy-angel2035]

Peugeot have just ranked 5th (Citroen 4th) in the Driver Power Survey for reliability. I've have 2 2008 ICE and the power and performance are great - great mpg and they are nippy. No build issues and, as the survey says, most owners agree.

[@rogeriogomesosorio4755]

@@fairybuddy-angel2035 Go to Spain or Portugal and the results are very different

[@WaltervonKurzgesagt]

Do you actually own one?

[@marcuswoodgate4026]

@@rogeriogomesosorio4755doesn’t matter where you go build quality doesn’t change. Cars built in the Uk are the same quality as everywhere else. It’s a very good car.

[@scoopermg8226]

​@@rogeriogomesosorio4755Can you link the reliability data from outside the UK for us?

[@issachunt3418]

Exhaust vents on a EV? What the flying F

[@ISuperTed]

Not a dedicated EV platform so saving money keeping the rear end the same as ICE.