Elijah Dorsey's Thunder Lock From WNO | Technique Breakdown

Quick breakdown of the Thunder Lock as seen on FloGrappling's Who's Number One by Elijah Dorsey.
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[@GrandK1000]

Sweet. My rolling partners will hate me.

[@staysafemartialarts]

And with good reason!

[@rhabdob3895]

Don’t worry, they already do.

[@SirPraiseSun]

well dont spar too dooshy then its not abu dabi finals

[@OldJudoGuy]

Then you’ve done your job! 😅

[@TerrenceThomas]

Shoulder surgeons are already placing their orders for their new Porsches. 😬

[@staysafemartialarts]

Spot on

[@jnwoodard8764]

Well… this looks terrible

[@derrickrobinson7269]

Damn. Ive always kept my elbow tight when answering the phone. Elbows up just felt vulnerable

[@staysafemartialarts]

Exactly

[@julesbruchez-theartofgrapp9646]

Beautiful 🤩 we call it the “Death Lock” in Louisiana. Learned it from a old catch/Freestyle wrestling coach

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

Once again catch wrestling proves superior to brazilian jujitsu!

[@sambaugh9251]

I was just gonna say it looks like a catch wrestling move they always use unorthodox shoulder and neck cranks

[@ajgrant94]

​@TENNSUMITSUMA Lol, yeah, and it's represented sooo well in MMA :)

[@theeagle37121]

I suppose that we must bow down to superior marketing. I probably learned this about 15 years ago and it was just called a “shoulder lock”. Thunder lock is less descriptive but I suppose that it sounds more intriguing.

[@staysafemartialarts]

I mean it is a shoulder lock but ive heard of this specific way of attacking the shoulder as a Thunder Lock

[@NOCDIB]

Hidden in plain sight? Anyone who knows what a half-nelson is should have seen this. Good breakdown. I never understood why anyone "answered the phone."

[@torstenscott7571]

That's a great point, and I suspect that they answer the phone to protect themselves from punches (similar to dealing with hooks when boxing). It just looks like a boxing counter that simply does not translate well when prone against a decent wrestler.

[@rollinOnCode]

i answer the phone after my rolls not during.

[@DoggosAndJiuJitsu]

Freakin jiu jitsu 😂

[@ThumperT51]

OMG... I did this to my older brother back in the 80's... I called it a reversed half nelson... I used the hand pull, not the palms technique. At least he stopped picking on me.

[@ryanthompson3446]

Its really kind of cringe how jiu jitsu players try to name every single slight variation of what is simply a shoulder lock an arm lock a triangle lock ect… like this is just an obvious option when you understand why a shoulder lock works at all, we don’t need to psychotically name and rename everything. Fools are fascinated by complexity a genius is fascinated by simplicity.

[@staysafemartialarts]

Id agree with that. Just labeled it this as that is what i see people naming it as, but at the end of the day it is a shoulder lock

[@itheuserfirst3186]

Many submission holds have various names. It's not a big deal.

[@ryanthompson3446]

@@itheuserfirst3186 i think it is and many people agree with me its pointless complexity its wordy and verbose, an armbar is an armbar idgaf about how you got it, what matters are the invariable reasons an armbar works focus on the invariables and stop masturbating about this bs laundry list of renamed moves.

[@timmartin638]

I've always used to answer the telephone. I've always got out of the back position. Now looking at this I don't think I like it

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

Love this. Awesome. Love anything other than a standard choke from the back, completely unexpected.

[@staysafemartialarts]

Definitely something I will be doing in the future

[@iamthelizardking6239]

There’s an old video of catch wrestler/ pro wrestler stu hart doing this very technique on a guy in “the dungeon” there’s even a variation another guy shows he sets it up with the legs and turns it into a shoulder lock/neck crank.

[@jesserai]

You've heard of the Darce, we'll today we introduce to you - the Dorce. Noice😉

[@rollinOnCode]

that is brutal

[@TyHatfield]

Yeah, nice seeing that move. I started doing that when I was trying to explain look when the guy takes your back and he starts hitting you in the face all those spiders always put their arms on like that. Why don’t you grab it underneath it and then do a full Nelson with their arm behind their head.

[@anthonybalesteri1164]

This has been a go to for me for 20 years

[@SirPraiseSun]

thats a nasty shoulder pressure right there

[@ausgepicht]

It's at least a century old and called a "Bow and Arrow" in Catch wrestling. It got its name from doing this from the mount, but can be done from the Backpack, to someone in a turtle, and side control. From the mount is where it's most brutal because you are pulling up on the arm/shoulder with TWO hand while levering his head DOWN with one of your forearms.

[@staysafemartialarts]

Gonna try the mount one

[@UsualCivilisationDestroyer]

Idk none of us ever consider this...

[@joereacher5737]

Beautiful technique and a nice submission 👍

[@mrblaque215]

Damn, that’s an ingenious way to solve a tough RNC defense 😱 the creator is totally a supervillain lol 😂

[@MrSinusu]

Wow, this is a great counter to the choke defence.

[@josephlabianca9557]

Some nice grip variations.Ty

[@staysafemartialarts]

🤙🏻

[@Plaster10p]

shout out Luis Quinones who taught this to his 10th planet team several years ago

[@staysafemartialarts]

Definitely has been around for a while. Just never really saw it used

[@geoffbooker2965]

Thanks, gef

[@MiGWar82]

Holy shyte!!!

[@pangopod2969]

I both love and hate it. Thx

[@staysafemartialarts]

Haha of course

[@maxb5957]

Max was here

[@jeremyrecker4081]

simple yet genius

[@degenerategrappling6503]

Mind blown. I remeber watching Craig Jones use that defense against Gordon Ryan thinking it was slick. Not anymore

[@johnmarino2164]

Catch wrestlers have been doing it forever.

[@staysafemartialarts]

Catch wrestling pioneered so many techniques for grappling

[@jorgejordan9212]

Dam !

[@yourimitro438]

Nice!

[@user-uk9er5vw4c]

I knew it but honestly, I never used it. I'll try it again with my students, next class muahahah

[@nicolasmaraite6356]

2010 white belt class with Mauro Santos from GB. This is not new.

[@staysafemartialarts]

I agree it is not new, but ya dont see it done often

[@SirPraiseSun]

new to me its not a popular jiu itsu move by any means

[@CyberChud2077]

Had a catch guy do this to me 25 years ago. He actually caught me in one with both arms

[@soundtorial4567]

Got an older dude at my gym thats a blackbelt and former catchwrestler. He tapped me with this a couple times in the past, but he uses a different variation where he rotates his upper body to the opposite side of the arm thats behind the head. That move feels like it rips ur rotator apart, disgusting

[@staysafemartialarts]

ill try this. Catch wrestling has some nasty submissions

[@soundtorial4567]

@@staysafemartialarts true,i have the Feeling that every catchwrestling Submission feels brutal,Not the "gentle" way Like bjj hahaha

[@CTGracie]

Love this sub. Been doing it from odd positions since blue belt.

[@donclark8851]

This is the sick lock can't believe it. It's always there and always been there.

[@raccoonmyroom6861]

I love your jujitsu content! Do you have any videos on hand fighting from the back? The chess match of finding the finish line from the back can be super tricky when people have some experiance defending chokes.

[@staysafemartialarts]

Thank you!! Definitely wanna add some more bjj content to the channel so im glad ya like them. And i did do a video a bit ago on hand fighting from the back but i need to update it so will do another

[@raccoonmyroom6861]

@@staysafemartialarts Awesome! I will check both out for sure!

[@jasonthomspon7829]

I have never once answered the phone when someone has my back. Lol.

[@BN-uz4px]

Dude this is old. Go watch Neil Melanson on the dragon sleeper from behind

[@bryanjohnson8162]

I'm like 45 seconds in and he did that submission with one arm his right arm was controlling the guys free arm

[@dontspeak2994]

That's crazy I've never seen this

[@sirpibble]

I've literally never seen someone defend the position like that It seems pretty obvious on the surface this is exactly what would happen to you

[@AUTIZMO-]

I’ve been trying this and it hasn’t been working ig I’m doing it wrong some how

[@staysafemartialarts]

What part ya struggling with?

[@AUTIZMO-]

@@staysafemartialarts WOAH thats so sick i didnt think I would actually get a reply thanks. Well I get the body triangle and get their arm behind there head like you showed in the video but when I try to pull the arm back it doesn't make them tap and there torso just turns to a 45 degree angle where I don't have enough leverage to finish it. When I practiced it it never made me or my partner tap am I not pulling far enough or does my partner have really good shoulder mobility?

[@jonathanwilliams1746]

@@AUTIZMO-probably good shoulder mobility but the more the tip of the elbow or arm is behind the head before you pull the tighter it will be

[@bryanjohnson8162]

I love this move that's awesome 👍👍

[@Seegie16]

This is a common move in my gym. Lots of guys doing it for years

[@keithwilliams9584]

thank you for sharing!!

[@Mulligatawney]

I never use this defense because putting your arms out like that feels like a bad idea. I didn't know this existed, but I assumed something like this existed.

[@staysafemartialarts]

Exactly

[@JoePiscopo3.14]

That’s not how to defend rear naked choke.

[@jeremysands9632]

Great video of a move that will actually work a high percentage of the time!

[@staysafemartialarts]

Thank you!

[@az8039]

There has to be a way to do this from the mount when people are defending kata gatame

[@staysafemartialarts]

Good question

[@chenoacacho2591]

Love it

[@staysafemartialarts]

Definitely gonna be using this going forward

[@phillipmarlowe0525]

I’ve learned that technique in the 1960s. Lol

[@Terminatortx33]

Well thats what happens when you keep it to yourself...lol

[@phillipmarlowe0525]

@@Terminatortx33 Didn’t keep it to myself. Once I was qualified to teach I passed it on to my students. Lol

[@Michael-w5p4c]

Oss!

[@covingtoncreek]

Scary. Wonder if this leads to so many injuries that it won't be allowed eventually.

[@staysafemartialarts]

Doubt it

[@John-zz5gt]

Too Cool

[@staysafemartialarts]

Very slick submission

[@therhythmatic]

That’s a half Nelson, isn’t that illegal?

[@staysafemartialarts]

Not here

[@SirPraiseSun]

illegal lol this aint freestyle or greco

[@agharta42]

the names sound really dumb. this has been around for years its old catch wrestling shit

[@itheuserfirst3186]

Stop trying to make Catch Wrestling a thing. Nobody cares.

[@agharta42]

@@itheuserfirst3186 you could not possibly conceive of how dumb you sound

[@johnt2831]

Nice technique. But here is the problem. I thought of this technique a long time ago, without seeing this or any other video. So, you can give it any name that you want, because I didn't even give it a name when I first thought of it years ago. There are other techniques that I have thought of that also pop the shoulder as well as other techniques that I have thought of to pass guard, and do other techniques. Oh, by the way, did I forget to tell you that I have never in my life trained in BJJ, Sambo, shoot fighting, or any other type of Grappling Art. I just watch, and think to myself, Man, does that look scary. While I am watching then I then pick it apart, you know, like I would in a game of chess. I think always 3 -4 moves ahead, sometimes more. I have always been a natural Grappler, but I think of different finishing moves to add to my discipline. I have always been a striker, and a very focused one at that. But then years ago, when I didn't even know what BJJ was, I saw my first ufc, when I was at this guys I know. A bunch of them were siting around then I showed up. It was Royce Gracie vs Kimo Leopold, and I thought the big guy was going to destroy the little guy in the Gi. Oh boy how I was wrong. When Royce submitted Kimo, I said what happened, and everyone said that is Ju Jitsu. I said what is Ju Jitsu, and they said , you don't know what Ju Jitsu is? I said no, then they explained to me, choke holds, knee bars, ankle locks and all that good stuff that I have now become very familiar with. Even when it comes to Judo, which I have trained in, I have changed the throws for the streets. I do it the way a sensei would teach in a class setting, but in a tournament, or on the street, I do it my way. My way is far better, you will not get punched in the face the way that I do Judo throws. Ummmmmmmmmm, I wonder, since I have changed the throws, it really can not be called Judo, I mean since it is my own brand of throws, that are not taught in Judo. Yeah, but I will just make up a name one day for my whole discipline but for now I do not have a name. I love knee bars, and ankle hooks and ankle locks, those are my specialty. Thank you for the video though, and no, I am not bragging, I am just putting it out there that I thought of this years ago. Just saying. Keep training. Oss!!!!!