Elite Dangerous - Fleet Carrier Decommissioning Costs Removed, Shipyard Changes and More

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

This is why community response is important!

[@NickHunter]

I agree, I just wish it was more civil on the forums when it's delivered

[@exiletsj2570]

Indeed. It would be nice if the developers didn’t need so much “feedback”.

[@Macky4941]

@@NickHunter exactly... Response and input/fedback is great, getting angry at Frontier, being hateful, "threatening to stop playing", instantly being put off before it even goes through the beta process for tweaking is the problem with gamers these days.

[@Amplexius]

i second that !

[@Majima_Nowhere]

@@NickHunter Yeah, a lot of the time it feels like, no matter what the change, people will bitch and moan to no end about how the game is dead.

[@arnyt2002]

This is good news. Owners having access to modules and shipyard by default is great.

[@edgepixel8467]

It’s not great. It’s common sense.

[@allsystemsgootechaf9885]

Im sure they’ll have to be stocked, but either way its great!

[@arnyt2002]

@Vlodec the way it was before it was a mobile marketplace. Not a personal fleer carrier. Therefore to have the basic functionality of what it's called has to be a good thing.

[@Droogie128]

@Vlodec a fleet carrier should be able to carry a fleet by default. Would you buy a refrigerator that doesn't refrigerate without an upgrade?

[@arnyt2002]

Well when spending that amount of credits on a fleet carrier I'd rather get a fleet carrier than a branch of Walmart.

[@StormofCrows69]

Now we're finally getting somewhere with the changes. Now I just want a bridge to be in (or at least an observation deck) so I'm not iust sitting in my dark hangar during jumps.

[@acid5ive244]

Exactly, Just my opinion but Fdev really went lazy on this, it's like buying a private plane for 5 billion but having to travel with the luggage, ridiculous.

[@sh4nkst4r]

yes yes yes!

[@epeli0035]

Jorge S *1 mill

[@staniredale9643]

love to see some sort of bridge so it feels like it's your own, instead of being in the hold as a passenger.

[@truetothefaith6610]

I'm guessing if the New Era adds space legs, you will at least be able to walk around the FC, including the bridge.

[@staniredale9643]

@@truetothefaith6610 yes, i wanna strut my funky stuff all around my bridge and say, "make it so number 1"

[@noterart]

The one thing that really bothers me is that there isn't a bridge. Like you hear all the amazing sounds of the warp drive and from the outside a big giant rift opens up but you don't see shit cause you're inside the hanger, staring at a blank wall! Who thought this was a good idea?? I don't even care if the bridge is completely cosmetic and doesn't have any direct controls. I at least want to be able to look out of it and bask in it's glory.

[@LeadSkillets]

Only the FC owner get to access the bridge. The upkeep and decom make it very clear we can never own them.

[@staniredale9643]

@@noterart they could make a bridge 10x better than a cutter without breaking a sweat..i reckon it'll be in the pipeline.

[@LaVirek]

Unused, left behind carriers could become explorable derelicts, another possibility to use existing content.

[@occuda]

Or they could be stripped for parts and materials by the players.

[@Vanhala]

whoa whoa whoaaaaa that kind of ingenuity isn't welcome at FDev, that gets you thrown out boardroom windows in meme fashion.

[@randomnerd9088]

If there are dozens of them in a system, it would pretty lame.

[@peter58murray]

This isn't star citizen lol

[@ion3d]

They could have a depletion factor and be gone after striped of resources (maybe laser mined). Also no t every carrier will be decommissioned at the same time.

[@dmaxcustom]

Ok, this is acceptable. Not like I will ever get 5B for it, but as a goal, it looks something worth aiming for.

[@laughingman4236]

dmaxcustom you can easily make 5B over 50 hours of gameplay if half of that time is spent grinding

[@nathangarrett4771]

ive made 5B over the last week easily

[@trippycosmonaut725]

Nathan Garrett how at borran mining ?

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

There is going to be a blowout period at the end of the BETA, and the carriers will cost only 1M to buy. That's a far cry from 5B.

[@laughingman4236]

MattsMechanicalSSI key word is BETA. We all know what happens in beta stays in beta.

[@christopherbutterfield8096]

Ok i think thats enough for me to buy one, final changes aside.

[@Tomzo711]

I'd like to see a smaller carrier. One that holds one large, one medium and one small ship.

[@kevinl.705]

Call it a cruiser. Let it be upgradable

[@Tomzo711]

@@kevinl.705 Perfect idea! Give it a jump range of 250ly-300ly and have it operate basically the same as a carrier priced at 2 billion.

[@twerkingtwinkies2335]

@@Tomzo711 it's a wet dream already

[@Razgriz8192]

@@kevinl.705 That feels more like it should be called a Frigate. Smallest of the small. A Cruiser should be something of an intermediate level between the two. Price the Frigate at a billion, it should be the entry-level ship of the three. Then price the Cruiser at 3 billion.

[@Tomzo711]

@@Razgriz8192 Frigate 1 large, 2 medium, 2 small / 250ly range / 1 billion credits Cruiser 2 large, 4 medium, 4 small / 375ly range / 2.5 billion credits

[@fcf8269]

Also another thing like it was pointed out from other users, is that an abandoned carrier can be a gameplay opportunity right there. IF there will be first person space legs, AND IF there would be a salvage mechanic, you could find abandoned derelicts, strip them for parts, explore them; maybe even fix it and make it yours. Elite has a LOT to learn from X4 in some aspects; and that game is tedious in so many ways, but they nailed the concept of freedom and gameplay opportunities.

[@LeadSkillets]

How would you feel if you couldn't play Elite for a few weeks (take any of the million IRL reasons why) and came back stuck out in the middle of space because some jackass has been ghosting your FC and stole it at the earliest possible moment? Elite already has enough problems with toxic carebear griefers without adding FC theft to the mix.

[@koloth5139]

Elite has a lot to learn about compelling gameplay opportunities in general. There are dozens of ideas that would just make the game better.

[@vonrosphe3098]

Sounds like something elite maybe releases after Star Citizens full release..... And for the stolen Carrier... Just pay the insurance and get a new one. Like all other ships.

[@VanBurenPhilips]

Have FDev explained why they can't despawn an abandoned carrier (but leave it in the player's account, with the option to respawn it when they come back), instead of decommissioning it?

[@twerkingtwinkies2335]

They don't know how OR that doesn't promote playing their game? 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@SuperJh2000]

@@twerkingtwinkies2335 The later is the reason. They just try to squeeze out good player numbers for their investors

[@GavinJonesNZ]

Thought on this earlier, and the obvious reason is lore related - having carriers just disappear breaks immersion. But imho there's plenty of other ways to get this working.

[@twerkingtwinkies2335]

@@GavinJonesNZ Not being able to get out of my chair breaks immersion. Having them be in the world constantly wasnt a good idea imo. It just forced weird rules like this into action. I feel like it should have been treated just like any other ship we own.

[@randomdood5196]

Simple. other players. What are you going to do if you have other players docked in an abandoned carrier?

[@Wimpoman]

The loss of money through decommissioning was my biggest hurdle. I'm so glad they're changing this and they have mostly redeemed themselves in my mind.

[@MordethKai]

It's an improvement, now they just need to replace upkeep with something that actually works and isn't manipulative.

[@oigliyj]

Glad to see that they're somewhat listening to the community.

[@vicviper319]

Now they have finally listened. This is good. I'l start the mining grind now to get that 5 billion. Thank you everyone who made noise and to our youtubers and streamers who kept us/them informed!

[@vicviper319]

You know it! See ya in Borann

[@j.vinton4039]

Vic Viper I expect Borann will be a Miners carrier paradise when they release.

[@xxpoisonblxx]

@@j.vinton4039 Unless they go through some real effort to prevent it, there's a solid chance Borann won't be a trip-ltd overlap after tritium's added to the procedural generation list.

[@kevinedward6132]

It finally sunk in their content was dead on arrival and so they changed it.

[@xxpoisonblxx]

Sounds like most of these changes were well on their way after the first wave of feedback, since these are the changes that required more work on their side than they were likely able to do during the first beta, where they had already implemented some of the changes asked for.

[@TmanT321]

Again, they deliberately left all this stuff out initially to piss people off and seem like heros when they fixed it, to cover up for the lack of actual content added with these. Shitty and deceptive. It's not new content. It's a new skin for a capital ship.

[@ugrena7419]

@@TmanT321 Maybe so, but it does make sense that they'd want to make it more accessible in order to draw in more testers. I've never actually participated in any of FD's betas, but I imagine they're fairly broken early on.

[@dRiifTeR667]

I can get behind these changes, though I still haven't decided whether or not I'll be playing again.

[@peter58murray]

I've got all the top level ships but I just can't see any point in having a FC......

[@lesterdesalvo7098]

I believe at some point, they are base building and some other things. So it would be good to find a spot out in the black and ferry the material back to your new outpost or whatever with the 25,000 ton storage. Make your own bubble sort of deal. but thats only good for people who have a wing or group to play with

[@peter58murray]

@@lesterdesalvo7098 I'm in a private group and we have over 2k members and we control over 100 systems.. We have a number of members who are buying FCs but I don't think il bother

[@mranthonymills]

I think even just having the storage available is worth the price of a FC, and I'm super looking forward to having a mobile base I can park right next to a star for quick access.

[@Macky4941]

Then it's not for you, and that's okay!

[@Julianna1220]

eventually you will.

[@amburgerzz]

You would think they would do something like, turn abandoned fleet carriers into space hulks, with a future expansion and say the addition of space legs, allow exo-reclamation of materials from said carriers. But until then just have them as a neat little exploratory bonus. Eh. This is at least a step in the right direction for fleet carriers.

[@FlappyBandAid]

Filled with gene-thargoids? :D

[@leebennett4117]

I would also like to see smaller fleet Carrier that cost about 1Bcr

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

Good idea. 1/4 the size, with double the jump range too maybe?

[@arkman117]

I’d like to see a pilotable ship that base costs 1 billion credits, something maybe double the size of an anaconda that can launch like 4 fighters, and I have a feeling it’s coming in the next era. Maybe a few of them even, panther clipper being one of them.

[@dredpiratesnoop2607]

Me too... a small carrier that could carry say 5 ships ... an explorer ship , a combat ship, a miner maybe a passenger plus one other... you get to choose what 5 ships you have of course. Also would need restock/ repair/ refuel/ rearm as standard. Basically allows you to go on an expedition and still do “all the jobs”

[@maruf7956]

But upkeep still remains and can't make profit of it

[@xelyius5480]

Upkeep was only a problem because of decommissioning, just don't pay upkeep 🙄

[@1invag]

@@xelyius5480 they've kept upkeep in for a reason. If they retain it they won't let you just not pay it without some kinda sanction

[@toranhale7221]

Well thank goodness we get our credits back on decommissioning. The addition of UC is great for explorers as well as storage for your own ships and modules without having to buy a shipyard. All good news. Would like to see different size variants of carriers for the future.

[@MordethKai]

Aye, they are almost there. If they get rid of upkeep and replace decommissioning with mothballing I'd have a reason to log back in and get one.

[@ArbanBlade]

This is great news for those that are going to get a FC. It's nice that Fdev is listening to its user base.

[@Dagoth_Ur_1]

Fair play to them, I liked that you could sell modules and ships at same price as bought, so this is a really good move by Fdev. And as others have stated, it'd be cool if fleet carriers became explorable deficits. Could have some real event horizon vibes.

[@Gro2healthheirlooms]

Yaayyy! Now I'm officially buying a fleet carrier. Spent 3 weeks grinding and now made over 7.1 billion credits. So happy 😀👍

[@duanelusted3535]

I wish I could grind that much! I've managed to get 2 billion credits, but there's only so much monotony I can take to get money

[@Yewbzee]

I started playing Elite about 4 years ago and I used to get as excited as you about new features. Without fail after each implementation it was a disappointment. FD are pretty good at coming up with concepts but their development team just suck at coming up with gameplay around that idea. It’s a given that it will happen again with fleet carriers. But enjoy it until the novelty wears off!

[@Roblstar]

Such good news! I still do not know if I will get one. But the fact that you can get back most of what you have spent, without being ruined gives me some hope.

[@aeden8008]

Hearing FDev thinks there's no reason why everyone wouldn't be able to own a 5B fleet carrier is a little concerning. Like they believe all of their players are permanently attached to their desk and never stop playing. I do like that they added full refund on decommissioning, though. Making carriers a viable base for exploration was another great change too.

[@Dakarn]

It only took me 3 weeks of casual mining (2-4 hours a night, 3 nights a week) to make a billion credits. Why is it that everyone thinks it's out of reach except for those who have no life? (edit: And that was starting out. 3 weeks from Sidewinder to Python mining, and purchasing all the modules and upgrades that come with kitting out the best Python Miner possible.)

[@olivierrodriguesneto5995]

@@Dakarn 3 weeks for 1b, 5b would take almost 4 months, this is an absurd amount of time

[@SC-cx9ti]

Even if it does take a long while, everything else takes a long while too. It took me a long time to get a large ship. It took me a long time to get an imperial cutter. A fleet carrier seems mor eof an eventual goal

[@Dakarn]

@@olivierrodriguesneto5995 That was from 1,000cr and a Sidewinder to 1 Billion with a fully kitted Python. Once I got in the Python, each trip of 192 LTD was netting me almost 210Mcr per trip. It *definitely* would not take 4 months to make 5 billion once you've got yourself the right mining ship. 210Mcr per trip, 4 billion left to gather... 19 trips. 1 trip 3 times a week = 7 weeks. So less than 2 months. 3 months overall from start of game to 5 bill.

[@olivierrodriguesneto5995]

@@SC-cx9ti and this was my problem with the game even before the FCs, everything just took soo long to get, and it's just grindy, not challengy, not difficult, just firing that goddamm laser over an asteroid for hours

[@kcgeil]

It's worrying FD need to be told that their instincts are so bad.

[@fistsofsnake5475]

I believe, or maybe only hope, they get it after that update without beta and player responses.

[@Monody512]

Equally worrying is the possibility that they fully knew what they were doing and made them intentionally bad at first so they could feign good communication.

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

@@Monody512 I concur. That was my thought from the beginning as well. Maybe I've just become cynical in my old age, but...

[@xxpoisonblxx]

@@Monody512 I generally try to give fair credit for Hanlon's razor in such situations. In this case, a form of stupidity around an acute blindness to the tone of the community.

[@43615]

when you've already read the forum post but you still watch the video to listen to that sweet voice...

[@Colossus1921]

Sounds like a good set of changes to me. Still not sure if I'll get one as soon as they launch, but I'm glad FDev have moved to address player concerns.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Ok, finally with these changes I'm excited for Fleet Carriers! Well done to FDev for listening to their players!

[@DaveyHg]

Yes. Now I want to grind for a carrier.

[@michaeltrout7000]

When I first heard of fleet carriers, and they were targeted as squadron assets, I was hopeful that there would be variety. As with personal ships, I envisioned a light, medium, and heavy carrier. With the heavy carrier being what we essentially have now. Capable of holding all the modules, and a very large number of pads. This vision also had the medium and light carriers being more limited, fewer pads, less room for modules, etc. But critically... less expensive to acquire and operate. More variety, more customization, more value. I can hold out hope that the future of carriers will include something similar. I appreciate your content, ObsidianAnt. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@MordethKai]

Pretty sure they were originally teased as having different types.

[@austinm5630]

Just lock them behind tripple elite rank. Then you can make them twice the price of a Clipper with zero upkeep and still not have database issues because 95% of the player base neither has the ranks nor is willing to grind for them. This makes it a true reward for people who have stuck with the game through half a decade of content droughts, and a real goal/milestone/achievement for any new players who are willing to put in the dedication to unlock one. Boom, problem solved.

[@Julianna1220]

ive said this before, but i was sure they would lock it behind rank giving a reason to become full admiral in federation or king in empire. which i think would have been a good thing.

[@tilemacro]

Whats the point of persistance, if the ship cant make you money trading ? Just remove persistance. Boom, problem solved.

[@sleepybear247]

What I like for fleet carrier is the ability to create an AI wing to use either on bounty hunting or mining. This would be great for commanders like me who manly play in solo mode. Just like in ship launch fighter, you can have fleet carrier pilots you can assign a ship too. This ability would add a lot of depth to solo and open play. You can have specific commands for fighting, mining and exploring, telling the AI to return to the carrier if they are too damaged, or in mining to return materials to the carrier. For mining you can then create a proper mining fleet, or have a protection wing.

[@megamanfan3]

I find that the full refund for having the carrier automatically decommissioned is a fair change.

[@ShadowryuuPmP]

I would like to see the things that downright force me to play the game to be gone fully. Decommissioning and upkeep have to go. If they demanded that for the normal ships i would have uninstalled the game at day one. But they are wiling to make some changes and i will give them the benefit of the doubt. Lets see how things are when they release them officially.

[@Tomzo711]

Maybe I missed it but what happens to your stored ships and modules when your carrier is decompressioned?

[@madnoxgamer]

charon7111 blown into space 🤫

[@StellarisIgnis]

They are transferred to the nearest station.

[@RileyInkTheCat]

The new Decomssioning is just perfect, I like the new changes, but mainly that one!

[@ForeIndication]

That is a deal changer, when I realized in order to get what I had envisioned from a "Personal" fleet carrier, i.e. carry MY fleet was going to require a shipyard etc. Yeah, I was about over it after all that waiting to be placed into relative bankruptcy and not even carry one extra ship without all that. I was hoping Frontier was going to make some changes, yay.

[@JPsWoWaccount]

This is wonderful news for explorers, except for the trip back to the bubble if you take a break and decommission it.

[@CultOfAlan]

Okay that decommissioning process is so so so much better - whilst I still don't agree with upkeep this is definitely a much better situation. Honestly it's great to see frontier actually taking on board the feedback.

[@BRUXXUS]

Good stuff. I think the decommissioning thing is still not the best, but I think it's a decent enough compromise for now. I'm also happy about the other changes they're adding into this beta, and believe this will absolutely make these things much more useful.

[@Valtrex666]

Why it is full decommission? Why they can't implement it differently, If carrier gains debt or is not used for some time instead of decommissioning, don't give player 5B, just make carriers "invisible" in game so they don't "clog things up" If you need to punish somehow player for not playing for long time, once he comes back send him info "hey your carrier was drifting unattended for some time you need to reactivate it" Simple task, you need to dock to it, pay debt that time if you won't its not operational and disappears as soon as you log off Being forced to fly back to place where you can buy carrier again just because you took a break from game on the other side of galaxy is to punishing IMHO, I much rather have to pay some fee to reactive it on the spot It could be even a few step process, pay smaller fee to reactivate some functionality (like cartographic) to earn more money to fully restore it

[@CMDRiKnOwYoUrIpAdDrEsS]

Fleet Carriers are now something i will be buying when they come to the live servers, very happy with the changes.

[@mikeycantoon2813]

Reasonable compromise my ass. I only come back to the bubble when big changes happen and to do upgrades. So if I get a carrier, go out in the black and then take a few month break like just about everyone does. I come back, yay, I get my money back....I'd rather have my friggin carrier when I get back because then I'd have to travel all the way back to the bubble just to get one again. This is screwing long-term deep space explorers.

[@jackarcher3706]

These changes are fantastic. What happens to ships and modules on the carrier if it gets decommissioned?

[@stevej1910]

With these changes, and assuming nothing bad before official release, I'll definitely be picking one up now. Great!

[@LeadSkillets]

The simple solution to decommissioning is to not have the carriers persistent. These are *player* owned carriers, not squadron owned; these don't need to be persistent. I, and I imagine many people don't want persistent carriers. Having the option of non-persistent with no upkeep/decom or persistent with upkeep/decom is a good compromise that makes everyone happy.

[@tilemacro]

Thats right. My ship isnt on the navigation panel. Id expect the same with my carrier.

[@BladeOfThePoet]

Really good changes coming, I see. I hope they'll give Carriers a bit more utility further down the line. I love the idea of having all my ships in my own supership but having said that I'd love an investment that would actually give me returns.

[@oldsk00l]

This is very very great news, loving how Frontier is being reasonable about it, and I completely agree with the concept of decommissioning to purge unused carriers. Very very good news.

[@MichaelThomas-be7gq]

An improvement, I slaved over getting 1.1bn in assets though. It's not for me for the sheer grind of getting the 5bn asking price. It's great to see FDev listen but I'm going to trick out the ultimate Conda with engineering (got to collect 'em all) and then have fun until I get bored with that.

[@Roguey]

I guess we still got the upkeep costs then.. shame

[@tilemacro]

Upkeep without auto income, is unacceptable.

[@Auhrii]

Definitely a huge step in the right direction. Decommissioning still needs to go, though - it's not great for deep space explorers who don't have the motivation to bank up significant credits before taking an extended break, for example. Whilst this scenario wouldn't happen much, there's also no real reason to take their carrier (see also: safety net, mobile base) even if they're fully refunded. Instead, carriers should go silent when a player takes a long enough break - they drop off the system map and can't be instanced into unless the friend of a player who's already docked and instanced in it wakes in. The owner comes back on, gives the crew the signal and it lights back up. As an aside, I noticed a glaring flaw with the galaxy map's handling of carriers: They appear individually. Instead, they should "stack", with more than one carrier around a body showing as one icon and a number signifying how many there are. Finally, real time upkeep should be shown the door. By all means, have a levy on all carrier services, or upkeep that depends wholly on use, but not a real time ticking bomb.

[@raven800plays]

Frontier: "We don't want to clog up the servers with unused carriers." me: "mhm...mhm...lemme ask you this; where does our ship go when we dismiss it from our SRVs? do they occupy space in orbit around the planet? No, they just vanish until you're ready to call it back down or your srv gets destroyed. so just hear me out, if you want to prevent clutter in the servers, why not give carriers a "dismiss" command or a "return to port" command to return the carrier to its port of origin when the player logs off for an extended amount of time? then when the player logs back in they can call the carrier back in? just a suggestion..." goes back to playing X4

[@AgentExeider]

Exactly, it just goes to show you the technical reasoning behind it is pure bullshit.

[@biplav32]

@JohnnyGTO It is the same concept. Maybe after a month or a week of inactivity it goes back to port.

[@bp968]

So i got out my HOTAS setup a couple weeks ago to play some ED to see what earning money was like now and maybe save up and buy an anaconda or sell a few things and buy a python and see how long it would take to earn for a FC. I haven't done it yet (i got distracted by hitman 2 for a while). Now your comment makes me just want to get out X4 and play. I played a ton of X3:TC and own X4 from a bundle but haven't broken it out and started it yet. If I mainly enjoy exploration, mining and space trucker (which was amazing in X3) id probably just as well play X4 shouldn't I?

[@cervantes01]

I think the Deep Space Support Network is a real kick up the arse for FD who didn't even consider explorers in the initial design of the carriers

[@MidKnight2142]

Sounds great, all they have to do now is completely remove upkeep, they can still keep decommission timer if they absolutely must. Once upkeep is completely gone I'd be more than happy to jump back into Elite to try to get myself a carrier, then continue to play to get all the modules I can for it.

[@bugsam]

I delighted to see they've listened to the community feedback, the less said about the first beta the better. No longer feels like the developers are just kicking us in the nuts and pretending they are giving us a new feature.

[@BenYork-UBY]

That sounds much better. Thank you FDevs for listening. Do you still have to pay rent on your carrier?

[@dmain6735]

First time in a long time I'm happy to hear Elite news. Beta Blowout shenanigans begin. :)

[@TechnoBillyD]

Yay! my dreams of a deep space mining barge are that much closer. I would just love to find some unique and lucrative mining sites outside the bubble and be able to go out there in a carrier and mine and store or on the carrier and then come back after days/weeks to sell. It would be the next evolution/upgrade to mining. to have a mining barge and go deep to those special locations.

[@dmj271095]

What happens if someone else has a ship stored on the carrier and the owner sells the shipyard

[@x1lacn0g]

did they remove the upkeep costs? They can still have an automatic decommision after a 2-month inactivity period without upkeep costs

[@MordethKai]

They also need to replace automatic decommissioning with temporary mothballing.

[@Sedryn_]

This already sounds a lot better. Now one last thing i would really like to see is watching the ship jump from the bridge. It is my ship after all, so there's no reason why i shouldn't be on the bridge. And yes; i would like the crew to earn their wages by making sure the ship is ready to go where i want it to go, even when i'm not on board.

[@EvoBeard]

Be cool if something like inter-Squadron Module sharing could be a thing. Like you'd enable an individual Module to be shared with your squadron. Hell, one better would be the ability to sell your own Ships/Modules on your fleet carrier. Sell an engineered and kitted Krait MKII for a hiked price for example. With Paintjob etc. Can't sell lower than 20% reduction of the original Krait or something so it can't be excessively abused, but can sell as high as you like. Selling engineered Modules and personally kitted ships would be cool. Make money in PowerPlay weapons etc, you went through the month wait, someone else might pay handsomely for not having to do that.

[@soliderarmatang5664]

Thanks for the videos I always enjoy them!

[@sidrat2009]

If they're not stating the additional services are going to be reimbursed let's not assume so.

[@bonecollector3049]

Where dose squadron's fit in everything? I have heard very little this topic, can squad mates add to the carriers bank account? Move the ship, purchase or sell items? Any feedback would be great

[@Julianna1220]

questions like this just do not account for the human capacity to game the game to do just about anything you want to with it. just think of one aspect....... now you have a bank. if i need to go any further with this to get you to understand, your just not thinking this through. and you should probably read a bit more in the forums.

[@MordethKai]

Locking carriers behind squadrons would have been a bad move, but letting squadrons own and operate one as a group would have been nice.

[@pktrsho6055]

They are moving in the right direction but still a long way to go. Personally, I'm not going to be mining for tritium for hours on end just to jump my carrier across space while exploring. They need to add class 12 fuel scoops and allow the carriers to charge next to stars while in cool down.

[@dasraffnix9471]

This is great and all. But that it wasn't like this from the beginning is still scary. I hope the next era doesn't need so much player involvement to be good.

[@Markoz958]

Good news, but I will only know how good it really is once the beta comes out next week. I would also be a lot happier if there was another form of fuel which DOESN'T REQUIRE MINING, or spending a huge amount of money on Tritium. In fact, I would prefer that it came with a fuel scoop, and scooped fuel from a star, even if it took 5-10 minutes to get a full tank!

[@BlkBoyAwesome]

Thank you PC players for biting the bullet for all of us everywhere. I'm a Xb1 player and I haven't played Elite in like 8 months. But the announcements of Fleet Carriers got me back into it. To the tune were I grinded my money to make sure I could participate in the 2nd Beta and I'm anxiously awaiting Monday! Seems like this Beta will be a lot better than what you guys had to deal with.

[@LeadSkillets]

I starting playing again after a 21 week break. I bet you were in the same situation as me: all your ships were exactly where you left them, in the exact condition you left them in. Why does it feel like pulling teeth trying to get FC to the point where they don't actively punish you for not playing a game?

[@LukeRedfern12]

So what happens if (for argument sake), I dock at obsidianants carrier, which has a shipyard, and purchase a ship. I obviously have to leave a ship there, but what happens to that ship if obsidian decommissions the carrier when my ship is docked or in storage there?

[@TVNDRA]

I feel like they missed a golden opportunity to tease space legs by letting players Walk around their carriers

[@smokinggnu6584]

All the changes so far to the carriers from the initial stats are excellent. But i agree with the devs on the Decommissioning stance, as having hundreds or thousands of unused map assets in the game would certainly clog up the servers eventually. I might just get back into the game and start mining again for this.

[@beerkegbob6952]

Another good video . Thanks for the Info ObsidianAnt !!

[@FiliusFidelis]

Question... if carriers are persistent objects.. would you carrier also exist in all instances and modes at the same time? as in would it be there for everyone whether they be in solo, open och private groups?

[@Blackatchaproduction]

so still no reason to hop back into the game. no point in a carrier if you cant make a profit from it. still a money sink. no improvements to any other part of the game. just bug fixes and nerfs. people wanted atmospheric landings. NOPE! we get a money sink and a mining nerf that was never needed. bounty hunting is still a waste of time considering the profit vs risk....smfh.....

[@forthemanynotthefew5243]

What exactly do these carriers offer that's new gameplay? I'm going to guess practically nothing to zero...

[@xxpoisonblxx]

Huge paradigm changes were *never* slated for this update, either when it was originally slated or in its delayed state. "Space legs" and atmospheric landings weren't going to happen before New Era, period. There's also no guarantee they'll happen *in* New Era, they've been very tight lipped on that one.

[@esoel]

How do you store core modules if you can't buy E-rated modules to replace them?

[@xenowreborn]

I always thought Fleet Carrier's were meant for Wings, or player groups instead of singular player owned ships, judging by their cost and upkeep

[@omicronixzerus2929]

Most thought the same. FDev made it very clear that shared ownership and useful fleet carriers constituted too much work on their part. When asked if they could be used for powerplay the fdev rep literally chuckled and said "obviously not," as if it was a good thing.

[@Comintern1919]

Nah, that would be horrible if they added whole new ship classes that can only be owed by multiple people. They already screw over people who only want to play Single. Remember that we were promised way back since the start of the Kickstarter that the game will cater just as much to those playing Single. It was a promise. Based on which many people backed the game in the first place and made it possible to exist. So if they started to make something like this Multiplayer-Only I and many others, many among those who made this game possible to begin with would feel betrayed. More so than we already are.

[@waltersobchak5421]

Will any of the third party API such as INARA or EDDI support carrier locs? ie.. if we're in the black and need to find services will we be able to find a player carrier to save our ass?

[@blyatman3798]

Damn ok before I really thought they just did the beta with bad carriers so that when they reduced the prices people would be happy but now I actually think they did listen to the community for once so good job I guess

[@REX-gk8wl]

The market is a way to get items when your parked on the other end of the galaxy

[@RadimentriX]

there's still some things that NEED to be changed: -there was nothing about upkeep. that has to go. completely. -automatic decomissioning is still BS, at least as long as we can't save the loadout to buy it again the same way every few months when we don't wanna play. if it's possible for NPCs to come out to beagle point or whereever your carrier happens to be just to take it apart and bring the parts home, it surely also is possible for them to just fly it to some station where you can get it back. i'd rather pay 1M every few months to get my carrier back instead of going through the hassle of outfitting it every time -what happens to ships, modules and goods that are in the carrier when it's being decomissioned? that has to be stored somewhere as well as it seems to be now, i wont play the game again. i was hyped for carriers but FDev does everything they can to make it as unpleasant as possible and having something exciting in the game that's designed to be shitty makes me not wanting to play the game because the exciting thing wouldn't be fun

[@d4rks1gm39]

Wasn't upkeep reduced by 80 to90 % across the board? And base upkeep reduced by 50%

[@RadimentriX]

@@d4rks1gm39 yeah, it's still around 45M per week with a fully fitted carrier

[@streetguru9350]

Great, now they just need to make the game fun

[@FABIUSBILE120]

Getting fed up here and hoping someone can help. Tried the signup for the beta (PS4) and all i get is my user info.... nothing about a beta key. What am i doing wrong?

[@Spatula007]

all positive changes for sure... i'm still a bit disappointed but at least it's a step in the right way

[@fellowhuman9003]

Is it just me or in the trailer did it show different kind of carriers and no one is mentioning it?

[@theman18091]

I still don't see why there has to be a full decommission instead of a "dry dock" type deal. Pay a (relatively) small fee to "store" the ship (simply remove the physical ship but have the data still stored) and a again relatively small relaunch fee to restore it

[@Soloflighter]

Make a line of carriers from earth all the way to beagle point lol

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

LOL!

[@hyundai35]

Sam Parker the DSSA is going to do just that.

[@radicalxedward8047]

I still don’t understand why the decommissioning has to actually delete the carrier. Why can’t it just hide it or delete it but save the record so you can instantly reorder the same carrier with the same setup in one step. It just seems like a lazy way to deal with the problem.

[@user-hy4cn2rs9u]

I had been planning on using a FC as a tool to bridge big jumps between systems in distant parts of the galaxy where things are sparse. But, if I have to step away for a while because of life circumstances, I could very well wind up stranded, hundreds of LY from the nearest system, with no option left but to self-destruct. Seems... lame.

[@shinkicker404]

That fuel change in addition to the other change they mentioned or is this just a rewording of that?

[@esoel]

I'm surprised they're listening, but they're listening. It's not good that I'm surprised, and it's not good that they were SO MUCH off base, but they're listening... now if someone at FD actually started playing this game, maybe we wouldn't have to go through all this drama at every update...

[@calebolds9609]

The decomission situation NOW is perfect, it's completely understandable that the Galaxy can't be populated by a ton of unused Fleet Carriers

[@Spitfire-zx7rj]

how do you get outside camera in a hyperspace?

[@BiO811HazarD]

Can you store commodities on your personal FC? For example, can I go mining and then store the mined items on the FC separate from the ship I’m using?

[@Ploskkky]

Removing involuntary decommissioning costs is a good move. It still won't make me buy a Carrier though. I am simply not interested in FC's at all.

[@Hyperchaosbringer]

How does mining work can I fill up a bunch of ships and jump to a system and sell the ore.

[@wowomah6194]

So...I think that Frontier needs to seriously consider their PVP options here...create some kind of space for Squadrons to go toe-to-to in a Guild vs Guild type battle arena (which could consist of various designated areas in the galaxy and fleet carriers could be implemented in that somehow...like you'd have a certain amount of respawns of your ships (no normal death costs or anything) and the team that survives wins and you get leaderboards, payouts/rewards. Maybe even Squadrons can place bets or there can be places in Starports where you can place bets? I mean there needs to be something like this to create excitement around a game that currently, has very few reasons for players to ever interact. They need to create designated racing courses as well as create small "ship-launched racers" that you can buy and "supe up" and then take to the raceways (which could be hosted at designated starports around the Bubble (with some on the outer rims of populated space that serve as "Top Tier" racing league courses). I mean, there just needs to be more depth like this in the game. The ships are beautiful, wonderful and still exciting for me to check out, but the gameplay itself is repetitive. Creating these cool in-universe areas for players to congregate and race/battle/etc (built into the game as specific modes in the world) is what this game is missing. There is no reason for players to congregate, to chatter, to do such things. I would love to see a world where the above become a thing as well as of course, space-legs and atmospheric landings. THEN this game would be the absolute best space game ever. In other words, they need to start thinking of this game as a potential space MMO if they're going to keep it afloat. (Maybe they don't intend to keep it afloat though...).

[@evolgrinz3202]

I like the changes of the carriers, but as a deep space explorer, I don't see any added value on having one for myself.

[@gelobledo]

Can you guys park some carriers near conflict zones. I hate having to travel halfway across system to restock then all the way across to repair. Seems like almost every system is like that

[@MyMMC]

we are finally getting somewhere...