Elite Dangerous: Substantial ENGINEERING Rebalance & T8 First Look

[@coctimusprime1872]

1 Who the hell does the missions 2 whats the point of the ships when others that we already have do the jobs better 3 I think alot of this is too little too late on content wise for any of us older players

[@TheBuurPit]

Hi, I find your comments fascinating :) If you're playing in a faction or as part of a squadron (in the bubble or colonia) then missions (both on foot and in space) are a massive part of the game (they're almost the entire game in fact) and I suspect that they're about to become a huge part of Powerplay 2.0 as well. From my perspective (as the leader of a faction and squadron) missions form the framework of almost everyone I play with on a daily basis. Ships, In the case of the type 8 specifically it absolutely fills a niche. Its a large capacity freighter that can get into a medium pad (allowing it to land on outposts and take advantage of their markets). It also has native SCO support meaning it handles better in that mode and can outrun pirates and ne'er do wells better in situations like open (or indeed in solo or PVE). Similarly the Python Mark 2 has a better chance of catching it of course :) I don't wish to get into a race to the bottom ...but just for context. I'm 56 years old. Most of our squadron are similarly aged and many are much older (some in their 70's and 80's) ...I know the same is true for many of the other larger and older better know squadrons as well. If you're playing alone and only do one or two things in the game then perspective is super important when looking at an update like this. Hope that helps. o7

[@mathiaskluba]

@@TheBuurPitcan you please share more videos of you doing missions? I also lost interest for them, because it was not easy to find the reward I was looking for, it feels too much random. I know that I can trade later, and it makes sense to not have all materials available in any station. It would be nice to have more guidance to find a station/mission providing specific materials as rewards (a tip from the bartender?) and maybe a way to find people to help you in exchange of something to not play alone and have incentive to help others. As always, thanks for the quality of your work.

[@godlover9096]

​@@mathiasklubaI think what he might mean about missions being a part of the gameplay is the BGS. When you are supporting a player or NPC minor factions in taking more systems then you will run missions to gain influence for the minor faction. That is not to say you can't get good rewards from missions. Sometimes BGS conditions allow missions to spawn where they want you to mine materials that also happen to be available in certain stations markets. They are wing missions so you get a full wing of people sharing those and you can massively profit!

[@coctimusprime1872]

@@TheBuurPit Sorry just getting back to you and thank you for responding to my message. Honestly I've been here in the game since the 3rd month of its release, Ive got 2 BGS in game, Ran 3 different squadrons. After 7 years straight at least 8 hours a day every day didn't miss one. I had to start taking year breaks only ever coming back when they added something. It's just a shame that it seems they are trying some what this late in the game to really do things. Again good for the one's that have just stuck around and new players when/if it gets some I know there is a slow trickly from some of these updates but no one sticks around that long. I'm back once again to check out the new stuff but as I stated in the start of all this I feel it's a little too late. Just my thoughts and they don't mean anything I still love the thoughts of all the crazy times I had but now that no one every stays on the game longer then a week now to just check out the new stuff then leaves again I cant get that feeling anymore. Never any REAL active players I mesh with is one of my issues these days all my OGs moved on. I do still like the thought of the game

[@trouvereyork]

Who does the missions? That seems strange. Players do missions for fun. Each mission triggers a mini game loop that players find entertaining, exciting or relaxing. We do it for fun. If mats roll in alongside these missions - all the better. Don't we all play for fun? Why else would we play a computer game?

[@selbie]

I am deeply concerned with the state of FDev at the moment. They keep making all of these good decisions and common sense improvements and I'm worried it will lead to making the game more engaging and interesting. This could cause serious issues of fun and enjoyment.

[@welltoday]

I've seen a lot of content creators stop making videos on Elite. It's nice to see a channel that cares so much about this game. Thanks for staying with the community, i mean it 😁

[@TheBuurPit]

Thank you so much. We both really really appreciate that. That's really lovely of you ❤️ o7

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Completely agree, could listen to CMDR Buur all day! Am so glad people keep finding him.

[@Rigel_Chiokis]

A lot of those videos being truly negative and down-right scathing no less. If you aren't happy with a game, that's fine. No game suits every person. But do you have to create a video trying to pitch the narrative that your low opinion is the only correct and urging everyone else to quit? No. Just quit playing the game. But negative reviews feed the minds of negative people which puts money in the pockets of negative creators. So I'm glad we have people like Cmdr Burr and The Burr Pitt, Obsidian Ant and others. It's such a breath of fresh air to have some positivity in the world! Also, much respect to Burr as he's not shy about criticising FDev when there is a legitimate problem; which is totally fair.

[@MAXERNEST]

@@Rigel_Chiokis that`s a good outlook to have ,i got criticized for not wanting to play the thargoid content , never been bothered about it since i got my carrier :} the out there always beckons :}

[@MikConstantinou]

100% The positivity and factualness of this channel is so refreshing, not just for the Elite community, but to KZbin in general.

[@GalnetDigest]

Wow. That's an amazingly comprehensive run-down on everything that's changing. Top source of Elite Dangerous info!

[@TheBuurPit]

Oi oi! Thank you 😉o7

[@cmdrrheeney]

That is praise indeed 😊 thank you!

[@XenoZbornak]

You guys are my go to. ;)

[@arrynroyce72]

The obvious thing FDev is overlooking in my opinion is bringing the ship and on-foot modules closer together by making ship materials available through on-foot content and vice versa. It still feels like two different games with little overlap were awkwardly grafted together.

[@sam131090]

@@arrynroyce72 I couldn't more, they do feel like 2 different games and they absolutely should blend together more smoothly

[@PowerofRock24]

This is a much needed addition, though I can understand why they don't include it. IF they do include it, maybe keep it so on-foot gameplay can award only a small amount of ship materials and ship gameplay awards only a small amount of on-foot materials. I don't want to be shoehorned into ship content if I am focus on foot, and vice versa. It should act as a small reward rather than an incentive.

[@Reginaldesq]

This is a problem they have made for themselves by having 2 games. Horizons and Odyssey.

[@moon9light]

This is a good point. But I feel like, the way things are progressing, is that is actually a chance they may address it, small though it might be.

[@WarleaderCoplann]

yes, they need to make use of the mechanics in a connected and immersive way. Why cant we still not leave ships in space (EVA) and enter derelict ships or structures on foot in space (on foot thargoid combat inside derelict capital ships for some epic alien vibes)

[@SixStringflyboy]

As one of the "time-poor" players (~1 hour per session, 2-3 times per week) that has still been doing my best to try and gather mats when able, this is the engineering overhaul news I was hoping to hear. This will significantly improve my quality of life in the game, and I commend FDev for these changes.

[@untchableninja]

The early Buur catches the views!

[@TheBlackOf1993]

Thanks for your constant and high quality contributions to keeping the ED community informed.

[@TheBuurPit]

Thank you so much! Hope it's useful to you ❤️

[@dvdmuckle]

Holy crap, that was fast, the stream _just_ wrapped.

[@Mittzys]

I think they get the info early so they can make videos

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

​@@Mittzysindeedidly! Partners get data NDAed early for exactly this reason.

[@BradleyMountford]

I honestly feel like the engineering overhaul is actually the most significant update in years. Even more so than Odyssey.

[@mirzaaljic]

Engineering overhaul sounds like a really needed update. One of the reasons I kinda stopped playing is the grind surrounding that.

[@neunix]

Ditto. It was soooooo grindy, Ive got bored and got done with it.

[@simonebanana]

Same

[@mariotomazzoni6523]

Wait, what? Frontier made engineering & material the only option to customise space suits and handheld weapons in Odyssey and they made if even more akward than engineering ship modules in Horizions (lower material storage limit, not all materials can be traded at NPC traders, no pin blueprint function to keep track that materials are needed, no material traders at engineer bases, no chance to unlock slots for mods at engineer bases...) and you don't like it? How can that happen? Engineering and material grinding was the most beloved game mechanic in Elite Dangerous Horizion, that went wrong? ;-) [this posting may contain traces of sarcasm].

[@frankshailes3205]

There was genuinely never any necessity to grind.

[@frankshailes3205]

@@mariotomazzoni6523 You could literally get everything through normal gameplay.

[@Yurijs_DeFacto]

That vid from 13:19 is beautiful, yellow sky, station and ship taking off to the sky, whoever captured it did amazing

[@cmdrrheeney]

That would be me (Mrs Buur), thank you for the nice comment. Glad you enjoyed the footage 😊🌟

[@thagomizer8485]

Totally agree with some of the other comments here: it's so nice that someone is still covering ED in a positive way.

[@icyfrostyguy]

Thanks CMDR Buur for the continuous stream of info. I have never been so excited to get back into elite dangerous.

[@TheBuurPit]

You're welcome, buddy o7

[@icyfrostyguy]

@@TheBuurPit o7

[@pineapplepizzasandwich1974]

I dont understand how so many of these engineering changes took so long. Many are just simple number tweaks that couldve been thrown out and fine tuned years ago.

[@DressySeagull]

Most likely the corporate leadership didn't notice or care that the game was becoming less profitable and losing players until they started posting their shaky financial results for investors. Made them realize they were leaving money on the table.

[@frankshailes3205]

It was because engineers were meant to pour their love of tinkering into each and every module change with unique outcomes. Not roll stuff off the Ford production line. If you play the game for numbers, more fool you.

[@vengeagrippa]

Man, this is the news I have really been waiting for the engineering overhaul.

[@wowomah6194]

Right? It actually drives to make the game PLAYABLE past just a casual level unless you want to dedicate large amounts of time to the game (larger than the already enormous time sink the game is considering in-game travel times and so on). I haven't played probably since Odyssey dropped but am, for the first time in years, feeling excitement about the game. I might have to pick up that new Anaconda and set my Krait Mk.2 down for a bit to test it out. Vroom vroom!

[@commandermyke7701]

Nice. About time. Dont get me wrong - the old grind gave a real sense of pride and progress in all my efforts. This is absolutely the right move to suck in new players. Well played ED 👏

[@captply4468]

I love how lately it all sounds like good news o7

[@halopro058]

And for us on console?

[@captply4468]

@@halopro058 My only thought is Sometimes you just have to move on I did I have a thousand hrs on ps4 pro and now I am on pc as well

[@WatcherCCG]

Crap, just missed the premiere. But WOW am I pleased with the overhaul. I might finally be able to drag myself back into the game long-term, now.

[@XxDakoXx20]

Grinding for the money isn’t a problem. Grinding for the mats is. Been waiting for this update forever. Much needed change. Will definitely play again when this drops.

[@tnbison]

Very good breakdown from FDev's stream. Per usual, outstanding job.

[@xo-Tobe]

Great update Buur's, thank you ... and what a breath of fresh air this update sounds like !!! anticipating a further boost one change to BGS and PP are implemented.... (me) looking for keybinds while Odyssey is loading.... cheers 💯🥳

[@cmdr_alexxxa]

Worthwhile changes. Will make experimenting with engineering and build ideas much more accessible and I guess I'm now compelled to upgrade all my suits.

[@impulse5533]

Me waiting 4 years to engineer one of my ships seems to have paid off 🙏

[@stab74]

And they said procrastination was bad. 😂

[@HD41117]

I am completely in love with the Type 8 and I cannot wait to fly one!

[@jestemrobatem5179]

My girlfriend asked me if I'm ok when she heard my reaction to engineering changes. BUT HEY, they're amazing! I'm a player who always used missions and pois as methods to gather mats, so their increase is lovely!

[@Youda00008]

The best time to ask her to start playing with you.

[@daddymazzy4800]

As a console player, and yes I do moan on about it not getting any more support, but I am glad that the game seems to be going through a slow resurgence. And I do still enjoy playing on console.

[@TheBuurPit]

@@daddymazzy4800 just dropping this here again in case it's useful or relevant... Works just as well on an old laptop etc. as the client runs in a browser. Just needs bandwidth.... I regularly play Odyssey with a friend on XBOX: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2PCo5p7mqZ6rpo

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

Thanks for the details for those of us who have to work during the live streams! Much appreciated.

[@TheBuurPit]

Our pleasure!

[@jarekstorm6331]

I hope they increase material storage a bit as well.

[@dom-ct6ie]

and module storage

[@cmdrstevemcmaru7417]

Absolutely love the news re engineering, very promissing. Thanks, Cmdr Buur and Rheney for the update.

[@DmCNoki]

It is a shame that this ballance update took so long. A lot of players already quitted the game and may never look back. Could have been prevented with a ballance patch 2~3 years ago. The community had ideas for it. The official forums are full of it! Let's see how it turns out. I hope for the best. I really want ED to succeed bc it is a really unique and awesome game!

[@markfuller263]

@@DmCNoki i kinda agree but the players that dont come back would never last anyways. I have played ED for years but only every few months do i play. Last time i stopped was because the ax modified weapons were locked behind a permit system and the game was glitched and it wasn’t allowing me to get permit. Put a ticket in and gave up a day later! Im back though and trying to get back to the geind!

[@dhyde2025]

I haven’t logged in in about 16 months. This may actually make me check out the game again. I wonder if my fleet carrier is still around…

[@mdsf01]

Looking forward to buying the Type 8 and relaunching my engineering efforts. Your description of upgrading engineering components and the randomness in the process was perfect! All in all, excellent changes across the board. Now if only we had ship interiors I would never leave. Ahhhh the dream

[@BjornTheDim]

Finally, FDev decides to reward players for having fun. Having toyed with the Thargoid war for a while, I'm pleased that this encourages players to have a route of progression, rather than needing to make a tremendous investment into engineering. New players might not be able to buy a Krait or have the materials for Guardian weapons, but they can probably scrape up credits enough for a couple of gimballed AXMCs and dogfight with the Scouts.

[@StealthBoyElite]

This is really good news, particularly the huge bump to volume (meaning you only need find one HG POI to get what you want). This is something I used to ask for frequently. Just the idea of coming back to play to that old grind has always been a big blocker for me. But now? Absolutely keen to try the new ships now. I'm definitely getting this update as soon as it goes live. Time to maybe dust off the Gladiators.

[@mathiaskluba]

Thanks, for quality of your videos and transmitting your passion.

[@TheBuurPit]

Thank you, that's really kind of you 😊 Glad you like our stuff! o7

[@grahamcrabb7714]

I'll defo be buying a Pmk2 when I'm back from my explo trip in my main and also need to fill some engi bins, so the engi improvements are definitely a welcome upgrade. And same for my alt cmdr, will buy a Pmk2 at least and see where we go with it. Thank you for a very informative heads up for the T8+ upgrade due next week. Hope you 2 keeping cool in the Pitt 😉😊

[@Datan0de]

Wow! It honestly feels like they're overcorrecting with these engineering changes, but I'm not going to complain. It feels like Christmas just came early!

[@andygoodwin]

Excellent summary!! Many thanks ☺️

[@raghav1026]

They actually did it... They fixed the worst feature in the game

[@MAXERNEST]

Great update, the type 8 is going to be great as well , Engineering improvements long overdue RNG never been that kind to me :}

[@skaterm12]

@@MAXERNEST RNG has been gone from engineering for a long time

[@MAXERNEST]

@@skaterm12 well have you ever been engineering and say you are on level 5 and you rolled your last mats but its 11.59 pm on the clock not completed ,that`s what i mean :}

[@sgoalder]

Looking forward to the updates you described. Thanks for an in-depth analysis. 😊

[@BordemGaming342]

I'm really looking forward to this update, engineering will finally be much easier to get into, having to grind for hours upon hours over the span of multiple days; it just steers you away from it

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

Brilliant as always! I am so ready for these changes to Engineering. Am bracing self for all the P2W cries from people... My Vulture is way beyond that pre-made one. Am tempted to get the T8 early just to support the game development - I want them to keep taking Elite relevant to the shareholders. More they like it, the more we get. Remember everyone, it's voluntary, it will be in game credits soon - just like the P2. What they DO need to do is prevent spawning of Arx bought ships in the Pilot's Federation systems for newbies... You summarise this perfectly at the end.

[@guhak]

I’m not sure they’ll do anything about the newbie zone honestly. Only starting in horizons lets you even enter that zone now, and with the full elite dangerous + odyssey together often being all of $7 USD on sale… I strongly suspect the main demographic of new players will have odyssey. I actually got a friend into the game recently and funnily enough it looks like they fixed the long standing wtf about odyssey start, where once you finished the on foot tutorial it would leave you in a planetary port without a ship and no directions on how to get one. Now it actually gives a “choose your package” screen showing the free sidewinder and the pre-built ships. Which I’m sure will lead to some crying about pay to win but, it’s regardless a welcome UI fix.

[@CMDR_CWolfxUK]

@@guhak yeah, my daughter - who used to fly in Horizons but never got round to Oddy - recently made a brand new account for Oddy. It was a LOT better!

[@T_D_K45]

This is much needed. Engineering in particular needed sorting out years ago. My only concern is other than starting again, I generally am sort of at a point where I am bored and don't know what to do. Reflecting on this Combat Elite is the only thing left I need to do, and for that I need a combat engineered ship. A lot of content creators documented how to engineer ships, but the endless grind to achieve this really really really made my eyes bleed. It just did not appeal. At all. I just don't get time. This update however does make a difference. It will give me another arc to pursue. I like combat, I am just not very good at it, so working to get materials in a more productive way will be very welcome. The game should be about work, effort and achievement. But also is about enjoyment. FUN. This update is long overdue, and very much needed. I tip my hat to who drove this, but it could have happened sooner. Potentially then I could be looking at playing more, getting combat ships, getting Elite rank, then looking at exploring, Guardian sites etc, but mainly exploring. I do feel sorry for the excellent players out in the black (eg Cmdr Picard) that essentially can't benefit from any changes to the game because they never come back to civilization! If progress is faster, based on experience starting again could be easy to do as a seasoned player. It does suggest unless new players come into the game, the thought on buying pre-built ships might be pointless. For seasoned players, they will know the routes to get where they need to faster, and with readily available materials then this will be even faster. So custom built ships will only appeal to new players. FDEV need new players. That said, NEW ship types such as Python MK2 and Type-8 do appeal as they are totally new. We don't want a constant stream of new ships - we aren't Star Citizen, but a steady stream of new ships would be welcome. A competition for Cmdrs to design new ships/SRVs etc would be good? Fixing multi-crew is another thing that if they can get right will be very welcome too. I don't play in Open, and I don't really play and interact with other players - it is an online game. Multi-crew fixed would go a long way to help bring people together with multi-crew roles and activities. Something that occurs to me. If a ship can carry two SRVs, with multi-crew could you both drive at the same time on a planets surface? I doubt it, but that would be cool? Thanks to Cmdr Buur and all other content creators. Without you we would have given up years ago on what in my opinion is my favourite and most immersive game. I have irl stuff to deal with, but my hope is to get a Python MK2, and see what it can do, then get those materials, and go from there.

[@moon9light]

I'm now hyped for the new feature reveal, and I feel like I'm going to come back sometime this year. Dunno what state my account is in; did the transfer from console but didn’t verify everything was there. But this might be enough to start a new playthrough.

[@captainyossarian388]

7:25 Nice! Encouraging more contributions to the war effort to obtain the mats winfall. In game, I see this as the major powers deciding to increase their involvement and resources to the war effort.

[@Osiliran]

Awesome news on the engineering from FDev and great coverage Buur as always, thank you!

[@giantnerd14]

This sounds great, especially for anyone who joined years after Engineering went live. There is just too much stuff now to still have such a massive a grind.

[@MikeSumner1328]

Great summary of the changes to come. I'm really looking forward to what lies ahead for Elite. These changes / updates just make me want to play more.

[@Timberwolf69]

I definitely look forward to the changes to engineering. Looks like I'll finally be able to finish engineering all the ships I built so far... Maybe I'll even be able to upgrade my suits (and weapons) beyond their pre-engineered state...

[@Profane_Pagan]

I absolutely love how Fdev is planning for the next monthly milestone where they can hype us up with their recent work with the monthly F.U. stream. And they really are working hard to entertain us: engineer udpate, new ship kits, new jumpstart ships, and Type 8! Honestly I also love that their marketing is getting much much better. They really deserve praise. And ARX purchases :D

[@lanceobe6801]

Great news, I still love and play the game and I really hope they continue to improve and add content especially for exploration. Also on foot VR for us VR only players, just head look with a UI is all we need.

[@ageingtroy6291]

Finally! I had stopped engineering because of the grind. Now I will definitely revisit engineering and even try new aspects of the game. Maybe even set on foot one day :)

[@IceBankMyselfTV]

Been back into the game for a good week now after dropping it because of how horrid the grind really was and how discouraging engineering is. I couldn’t have picked a better time to get back into it. Thanks for your videos! ❤

[@Kellett781]

When laying out the material increases, my heart actually started to beat a little faster and a tear came to the corners of my eye. I don’t think even I realized the yoke of the material grind and the burden it placed upon me.

[@Kellett781]

Literally teared up…

[@mikedawe692]

A significant sigh of relief at the news of reduction in grind. A greater relief is the action taken and obvious evidence of FDevs efforts to improve the joy in living and moving around in that beautiful map.

[@sonhouse7731]

Thanks. An excellent report, as ever. I hope I'm not reading too much into the game enhancements that you summarize at the end to believe they bear witness to a commitment by Frontier to maintaining the ongoing viability of Elite Dangerous. There might be better ways to phrase that, but hopefully the point is clear enough.

[@tonycrewdson-kennedy803]

All of the engineering changes are most welcome and long awaited. Increasing the number of mats per instance makes good sense and means less time wasted doing the frontier flop (re-logging) especially in HGE sites where time is so critical. Other changes I think would make good sense are, being able to 'undo' engineering modules for 'on foot' weapons and suits in the same way you can remove engineering upgrades from ship modules and adding an extra engineering slot for G1 so there is a module available for each level. Some modules, like noise suppressor & Audio masking (Why are there two silencers?), scope and magazine size should be purchasable items to and bolt on/off as you wish like in RL

[@SandyParsley682]

I'm literally out on a grinding field trip with a friend's carrier and we finish our trip this weekend xD After 4 years in the game, avoiding engineering the entire time, and finally deciding to do it, I do a material run literally the week before these changes drop lol

[@halopro058]

Would be great if this was on the Xbox as well.

[@erraticspawn]

After three years of denial I finally decided to work myself through the learning curve of on-foot gameplay to get some suit and weapon upgrades, mainly for BGS reasons. I've been doing this now for about three weeks and as I slowly get to grips with it I start enjoying those missions, and even if I die I just write it off as experience gain. I did manage to get a suit from G3 to G4 and some mods for it as well, but I also did dread the grind waiting for me get all the mats for further upgrades for that and other suits. But it seems I may be great luck and these changes will be very welcome. Naturally I am going to hold off for that one week and see how these numbers will change. But it does sound very good.

[@Sighman]

I just saw on a stream that G4 to G5 suits/weaps are now about half what it used to be to go from G1 to G2.

[@freudianslip19]

Same here. Decided to bite the bullet and do on foot engin a few weeks ago. Now I'll wait for the update... and maybe go crazy and engin all of it!

[@MikConstantinou]

Great update, as always, thanks Cmdr. Looking forward to taking the Python MK 2 for a spin. But I'm very keen on the engineering changes. I'm of those rare creatures that doesn't mind the current grind too much, but probably because I'm used to it from other games (X3's Hub Plot will break your very soul) and I'm still somewhat in the honeymoon phase of my ED experience. That said if these engineering improvements mean I get to do multiple builds and switch between them rather than focusing on one build, then I'm definitely keen.

[@jamesa702]

Looking ahead to the MK2. This is exciting. Thanks for your insight.

[@the4thj]

Thargoids, I have not even seen one, they pull me out with their ships but they don't go toe to toe with me! I got a riffle if they ever do. More MATS! YES! YES! Arty suits are getting a lift too so something is going on there...future hypothetical..a base to build out of the bubble; yeah I don't think so. Now put the game back on sale so I can buy it for my son. I could put up a bullet point of the things I hear! You did cover my thoughts on the bullet points. I get this one can't we buy a slot at a station or some home base I don't want a carrier. I myself left for almost 2 years and came back 2 months ago. Nicely shot video!

[@Rigel_Chiokis]

I don't know if I can afford to get the Type 8 in early access, but I definitely want to get one, one day. I've been waiting for the engineering update! I have several ships I want to put SCO drives into and then engineer them, but just doing that for my primary ship (Asp Explorer) was just a P.I.T.A. that I have yet to acquire an SCO for any other ship. Hopefully this new system for gathering materials will open that door a little wider for me.

[@Lambda3141]

I am excited for the Type 8 and for the consistency with engineering "spins"

[@melik3976]

I cant wait for the watch material gathering guides

[@barthpaleologue]

The game is going in the right direction again! I hope they don't stop there

[@wilfredburbank6701]

WOW. That's all I can say.

[@steiner3327]

They actually did it bro. No way

[@irusski1110]

Minor nitpicks about the game aside, the engineering grind has been the biggest drain on my desire to play. After getting about half of the available ships in the game fully kitted and engineered, and nearly full module storage, I just couldn't do it anymore. It utterly broke me down and I stopped playing over a year ago. These changes are absolutely massive, and I am so eager to dive back in when the changes go live. As always, thank you for the meticulous nature with which you report E:D news!

[@rawkfistgaming]

Not gonna lie, this single update with the engineering and pacing solves my #1 biggest gripe with the game. Half considering getting back on. My hotas has been collecting dust since last February.

[@josiah9388]

I haven't played in 6-8 years, I just came back because of this update.

[@RichardAnthonyButler]

I love my Mk2 and am going to get a Lakon Type 8 as soon as I can. I bought 80k ARX as a way to get money to Frontier. I have been playing since Beta, and think that is a fair way to get some cash into the game for continued development. I have just started running some on foot delivery missions as a way to familiarise myself with settlements with lower risk, not no risk-( you can still get shot in the back if you move too fast!) It is opening new trading opportunities as well. All good stuff. The news about mats is excellent.

[@glennkanaley224]

This is awesome!!! Thank you Fdev!

[@Danko05]

Great news I'm really happy with the removal of the stupid random loop when engineering. Thanks for that...!!!

[@BlissfulZen]

Amazing all around, way to go Frontier. Much needed changes to keep this game engaging and alive!

[@capuchinseven]

Player driven systems like Power Play should have always been the point of the game. It should have never been endless grind just to do a bit of engineering. They honestly might get me back.

[@richardswede]

Again Mr Burr, my reliable GoTo for all things ED.

[@werdnalleb]

Oh wow! Man oh mam. I will definitely be throwing some money into Arx to get the Type 8. That decision is all too easy. Those changes are gonna be a big thing to include more engineering in game. With limited time, I tend to do a minimal amount and do my best with that. But.... with these changes I think it will be A LOT easier to complete all those wishlists I have on the engineering side of the game. Great freaking video you two. o7 o7 o7 CMDRS The Krait 8 or bust!

[@r4dios1lence92]

I was hoping for engineering becoming a "put materials once, use credits to apply new ones" to make experimentation easier. But these numbers are indicating that experimentation is going to still be easier by just making materials more abundant and easier to burn through & restock. I just wasn't expecting FDev to boost the numbers THAT much.

[@Gulvfisk]

I am not the most experienced commander out there, but I have 1800 hours into Elite:Dangerous, and the engineering grind made me quit the game. I am really hoping the changes are large enough to make a difference, and allow me to have some fun with different builds again. I have two fully engineered explorers, one medium and one large engineered cargo/laser mining ship, one engineered core/whatever the deposit mining was called ship, and one medium and one large PVE ships. I have been to Sagitarius*, Beagle Point and Colonia, and done some of the sightseeing tours recommended to me. Felt the excitement of the LTD rush. Done the Wine runs in my carrier, and used that to get carriers for the people i played with. Explored sectors that was uncharted with two friends, and many hours of canyon racing in my little speed boat or in fighters while exploring. Genuinely loved the game to bits. Started to build an AX ship to take part in the community goals when they shifted towards AX fighting. Felt my soul leave my body when i needed mats for engineering and uninstalled the game less than two hours into the farm.

[@wingedgecko]

I like to see things simplified more. Just as you would see in real life. If you needed work to be done on your car, would you go out to try and find nickle for the mechanic? No, you'd just want to buy it. Everyone wants cash! Imagine you were an engineer; think of how much raw materials you would get in a day. That's great, but you cannot sell them. Hence cash would be worth more in the game. Still keep rare items to unlock engineers. And maybe mats for the experimental effects. No matter which roll you choose to earn credits, raise the danger level for each of them to make it challenging. I miss the Robigo days where the cops would keep following you. That was fun!

[@HerzhaTheShapeshifter]

The Engineering rebalance sounds great, especially how much mats one can expect to get from an HGE, I just hope that the probability/frequency of some types of HGEs is also reworked. The last time I needed Military Supercapacitors, I only found one after an hour.

[@Anthony-nx4qf]

Question: Did they get rid of the teleport rings, when entering/exiting ship. Can we now walk and get into cockpit. In video, character walked into the Type-8.

[@TheBuurPit]

Sadly not. BUT you can walk right up the entrance way l door... It may (and probably does!) mean nothing, but we thought it interesting enough to include in the video.

[@fcsuper]

So, for on foot engineering, FDEV's goal with its multiple suit paradigm seems to be to get us into more suits and more weapons so that we are more inclined to buy more skins for said suits and weapons.

[@scottjensen5905]

take my money fdev. thanks for hearing us. and yes i will be buying the type 8. first ship ive ever bought in a game and i cant wait. oh ya base building lol

[@dekkert5272]

I treat engineered modules like Gollum’s precious. As such I struggle for module space and have 6 Type 10s just for module storage. If it’s easier to engineer maybe I can (*gasps*) not hoard quite so voraciously? This might be amazing…

[@dandenoth]

Where was the footage taken from 13:15 to the end? It looks awesome, I'd love to go check it out.

[@martinpalmer9662]

Beautiful cinematics in this one, although they are in all of them tbf.

[@cmdrrheeney]

Thank you so much, glad you like them 😊❤️ o7

[@pville_piper5125]

Wow! I never thought I'd see the day... Amazing. I'm happy to see these changes and will be paying for the T-8 as encourage FDev. Do you think that a lot of this change is a result of Braben stepping down? I can't believe the progress they are attempting to do this year and how well they are targeting the changes. Never thought I'd see the day!

[@T_D_K45]

A comment levelled a lot is "do the Devs actually play the game?" I think most do, but unless they all have passion and drive to force the good things over the line, then this is a problem. But that problem was leadership. Elite Dangerous is not supposed to be like the original Elite. David Braben has given so many great things over the years, and whilst we can't say issues with the game have been down to them, there was something fundamentally wrong in leadership. Other than the revenue issues, it looks like someone in leadership plays the game, ENJOYS the game and has said "why is Engineering broken? This is dumb and should be fixed? Fix it". And the Devs that could easily have fixed this but were blocked gleefully said "Yes! By your command" I do feel sorry for some of the Devs. As with any job, there is a sense of excitement and enjoyment doing something you love. But work politics and other factors really really does suck the life out of you. I hope there is a change of direction. It looks like it. It is good for players, but will be good for the workers, and ultimately FDEV revenue. For normal people in the world it is common sense. Listen to the customer. Listen to the staff. If leadership listen to themselves because they know better (and don't play the game), that is where things go wrong. Thankfully someone is listening, that person(s) needs to keep playing, keep listening, keep supporting the Devs and the players and keep delivering.

[@wmgthilgen]

As someone who is thinking of retuning, could you define what you mean when stating SUBSTANTIAL. Do the various material's now give more than three each or is there just considerably more material's of the same nature to aquire? Which in the difference would be that of bring considerably more limpet's depending on size of limpet controller. One can utilze a couple with short duraation's and distance to that of a longer duration, and a longer distance.

[@thelionsam]

The Type 8 update will renew my enthusiasm. Although I'm the perverse type than was fine with Engineering as-was. Fdev making moves 👌

[@muklan1]

I lead a squad that focuses on reducing the grind and overall suck that comes with starting this game. We have protocols for standing up a new player, that involve a HUGE time sync, and to that end we look for a certain personality that's gonna make good on our time investment, and not get completely beaten by the boulder that fdev expects us to eat playing this game. These changes are very exciting for us, because it reduces the amount of dedication required for a player to go from "what is all this crap" to hauling a fleet carrier across the galaxy and back like its nothing. These changes mean we can spend more time PLAYING the game, and less time preparing and studying to play the game. The Power Casuals strongly approve of these developments.

[@trouvereyork]

I'll be bagging one of those type 8s as soon as possible.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

What "updates named after the headliner" tells me is that we're going to get more updates worthy of headliners 😁 Can't wait for the T8. I'm going to be doing a loooot of mining next week, I forsee.

[@Cee64E]

I've been very curious about the Type 8 as a trader, and these new rewards for working in thargoid systems are giving me some interesting ideas about what such a ship might be capable of in that role. As I'm not really a PvP player the Python Mk II isn't really attractive to me vs the Mk I, which I see as a more flexible ship. My Python does most of it's work as a heavily armed core miner, but with a quick stop at Jameson, I can run cargo, passengers, or a mix of both. The Type 8 might just be the ship that gets me to Park The Python for some, or all of those missions. The Python is still sexier, though. I love that big snake...

[@generalagony]

Did I understand correctly that the engineering update releases alongside the Type 8 update on August 7?

[@andrewmiller4753]

Type 8: Going to use it for salvage. Size 7 collector limpet controller + docking pc + 3D shield + some size fuel scoop - the rest full of cargo/limpets for HGEs. Going to be a combine harvester!

[@andrewmiller4753]

Maybe I will call it "Wurzel"? lol