Elizabeth Warren Attacks Bernie Sanders | Chapo Trap House | Episode 384

[@inktoxicant]

CNN (to Bernie): "Did this happen?" Bernie: "No." CNN (to Liz): "How did you feel when this happened?" Liz: "I disagreed when this happened."

[@nonistra]

gonna do some LibSpeak for a sec: Warren was put into House Slytherin by The Sorting Hat 🐍

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Warren was put into Gryffindor for Bravery against a two faced man.

[@arlostein1000]

It burns the Harry Potter lib burns

[@delidumrul31]

"I've never believed in magic untill I saw my dog turn into a snake" -Bernie Sanders, 2020

[@selalewis9189]

It's always a good Chapo ep. when Matt is shrieking hysterically.

[@deesmith4800]

sadly the debate went Mod - Bernie, why did you be mean to Warren? Bernie - I wasn't Mod - Warren, how did you feel when Bernie was mean to you? Warren - he hurted my feels :(

[@lbdlars4484]

1 minute into this clip and I am subscribing. I love the passion.

[@Kamboshin]

In case you don't know yet, they upload the full episodes on Spotify and Patreon

[@lbdlars4484]

@@Kamboshin oh yeah, I'm gonna check them out. I cant believe I've never listened to them, but there is just so much content out there it's hard to listen to everybody, but I've heard of them for a long time and I've listened to them on other shows.

[@LuckyMelisa]

The biggest proof that he didn’t say it is the fact that she didn’t bring it up until she needed a Hail Mary to save her campaign. Shameful. And ya’ll just got a new subscriber.

[@DisappointedBuddha]

I've been dropping this piece by Nathan Robinson cause I think it's important and covers what the boys talked about (but in more depth). It's about how to think properly/strategically about this and how the leftwing of the party proceeds in the future (hint: accept no substitutes). www.currentaffairs.org/2020/01/thinking-about-the-democratic-primary

[@adlucem9845]

I thought she brought it up after bernie was caught having his goons smear her?

[@ChewyThomson]

Matt's yelling sustains me

[@anzumazaki7798]

BERNIE TURNER 2020!!!

[@YouCanNOTvoteOutFascism]

Bern and Turn, baby!

[@v_enceremos]

This has more likes than the warren KZbin channel

[@Will-vj5bc]

Elizabeth Warren's Cherokee name? "Lies Like Snake"

[@preston5592]

from this...to pete being an op...the caucus app...central park time after nevada...it's hard to grasp that all this shit happened in the last 5/6 months. seems like a fever dream.

[@stevensmith1031]

I miss when stuff like this was the biggest news

[@samosmapper9687]

🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍

[@mialovely7864]

New polls that have come out have basically shown that her strategy to smear Bernie didn’t work. If anything he went up in the polls. And she went down. 🤣😂

[@SodaiGoku]

Here’s a short vid talking about the latest New Hampshire Poll taken over the last few days: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYfUY2OGbJmAmJY

[@LupusInCaligo]

Man i hope that's true but i cant be sure anymore, a bit of a relief atleast

[@trumblewumblehumble]

The new poll has like 1 day of polling after the debate and several days before. If you think that already has the trends from the debate, you dont know how polling actually works.

[@valentinecarstensen6839]

Well, the internet has been totally lit up with folks let down by Warren’s handling of what is most likely a contrived nothing. My feeling is that the Plutocracy has over estimated the effect of decades of social conditioning. This play was done with the belief that the Ivy League written Woke culture program has been effectively seeded. It restores some hope that the majority seems to be able to see through this an attack on the interests of the people.

[@xxxxOS]

@@valentinecarstensen6839 Totally agreed.

[@pR1mal.]

You mean, "Harvard Law School's First Woman of Color"?

[@BaronSaturday66]

She may have had a tan at the time.

[@ricmahurin7535]

SANDERS 2020

[@EuropaE]

Happy to have found this channel, y'all have some vocal supporters on Twitter 😂

[@jd-yo2is]

you should see the subreddit. absolute bunch of losers

[@_BhagavadGita]

I found my home. You guys are fucking awesome!

[@408sophon]

Same here

[@cosmoissleeping]

Permanently done with Warren 💩👎

[@adlucem9845]

Permanently done with bernard the canard.

[@cosmoissleeping]

@@adlucem9845 Fine, go ahead and give trump 4 more years. But remember, you chose that

[@adlucem9845]

@@cosmoissleeping I will. Trump is doing more to destroy capitalism than anyone could ever dream. Progressivism is capitalism with benefits and Im not interested in more plantation gravy.

[@cosmoissleeping]

@@adlucem9845 you are boring and uninteresting

[@adlucem9845]

@@cosmoissleeping Would I get your interest back if I said we can solve climate change by yelling at Exxon? How about we build more ghettos? Or free shoes. Would free shoes pique your interest?

[@treeguyfly]

🐍🐍🐍 Primary Warren

[@danalexander2149]

• Warren voted for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr.

[@BaronSaturday66]

Warren is worthless.

[@nergispaul9022]

Warren's behavior reminds me of the sort of stuff that happens in university department meetings. With the caveat that in that setting it would work.

[@dmoneytron]

big structural failey

[@DrDuke509]

Whoa, this episode laid bare to me not just the campaign but how the gears of power work. A huge contribution to the zeitgeist.

[@ViolentOrchid]

Waiting for Warren to say Bernie is a Manchurian candidate.

[@ericfuterfasms3043]

I guess Warren thought it would be a good idea to take the gloves off, but what she really did was take the mask off.

[@KingOfShenanigan]

Well said.

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

I’m just going to tweet this! ps: i’m a get wolverine...but this is perfect! 😂

[@theanimaeffectofficial9778]

We have always had massive disdain for warren, from the beginning she has coasted off being associated with Bernie and his politics plus the fusion of her appeal to identity politics because “oh gee wiz I’m a woman! Isn’t that neat!?” While literally trying to hijack the revolution and sell it out to the highest bidder. That has always been the game. Anyone who has thought Bernie and warren are the same have been incredibly naive and sucked in by identity politics. She’s a former republican and a capitalist. That’s all that needs to be said. Warren is pure trash

[@zacg_]

Here's the closest thing he could have said that could have been taken badly: she mentioned she wanted to run for president and his immediate response was that "a woman would be at a disadvantage due to sexism" and that this felt like telling your best friend that you want to major in philosophy and they respond with "there aren't a lot of jobs for philosophy grads." But if Bernie failed to tell his friend "Good for you! I know you can do it" then that isn't a sign of sexism but simply a lack of peppy woke friend support. It also wouldn't mean that he thinks a woman can't win but that a woman would be at a relative disadvantage (which is still the central thesis from Democrats behind why Hillary lost.) If that is what happened then Warren allowing this accusation to stand and not clarifying the details is tantamount to lying about the entire thing. And since she's stated that she doesn't want to talk about the details then she is basically a liar.

[@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca]

"Oh it's not a big deal, I will not adress the issue even when the other party addresses it, and also I will not shake their hand just to show how uncaring im on the issue - what do you mean it seems like this is an attempted smear? I just really like not adressing the issue while keeping it on news!"

[@chumbucket6989]

algorithm, and so on

[@s.bakyhnh1756]

Never trust a 🐍

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Well, sanders does. Is he an idiot?

[@BaronSaturday66]

@@trumblewumblehumble No, he's just trying to swim with the sharks. It's a narrow line he's walking.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

How is it swimming with the sharks if he calls her a friend and ally and thinks about making her VP? He didnt give Biden that treatment.

[@BaronSaturday66]

@@trumblewumblehumble Sanders & Warren used to be friends.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

They probably still are, they are just in a frustrating spot.

[@raresmircea]

We have one chance in a lifetime to take part in something truly historic: 2020 🧨💥🔥🔥🔥

[@stevecrane9105]

I wish they would've discussed this after debate.

[@ThisHandleIsNotAvailable.]

Warren made a very poor decision. This won't help her.

[@keithcuesta6983]

Even though this is exactly what CNN wants the left to be talking about, I'm still pissed off and I wanna hear people go off. I really hope the boys do that in the member episode that's about to drop

[@keithcuesta6983]

@@daysjours yeah I did, it was good but that's not what I want to hear from Chapo 🐍🐍🐍

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

daysjours : She was a Rethuglian until she was FORTY-SEVEN…through the Reagan-Thatcher Romance, the Dirty Wars,Ollie North, and George Bush 1 and his piggy patrician self...WTF were people expecting?! 😳…okay, so she can ball out Wells Fargo when her neck isn’t on the line…ffs🤦🏻‍♀️

[@daysjours]

@@keithcuesta6983 I hear ya!

[@daysjours]

Subversively Surreal you do not need to convince me she’s bad news. It’s now a question of damage control. She may have just handed the election to trump because of her reckless behavior.

[@DrDuke509]

daysjours why should we not feel anger? Bullshit does not need catharsis in response.

[@PforPanthera]

I've been trying to convince my mom to vote Bernie since she's been stuck on Warren but she'd just say he's too old until I kinda nagged her enough to admit that she thinks he's too far left. I think that represents a lot of Warren supporters in a way, they want someone who's kind of progressive but not enough that they challenge any of their ideas.

[@feydrautha012]

That's the most annoying crap to deal with in all of this-people who aren't honest enough (maybe with themselves) to admit they want right-wing policies, but won't just say it. They want the 'flavor' of being progressive, e.g. voting for Warren now or Obama in 2008, but they don't want to commit to policies.

[@Child_of_the_lie]

Interesting. This all makes me think that essentially the vast majority of Americans are right wing, it's just some admit it and others don't.

[@RoyalFusilier]

I mean, it's been true for decades that America has had no Left wing. It's been Right (republicans, generally) versus Center (democrats, generally), with the Left not present. Since morons conflate Noam Chomsky with Joseph Stalin and think they want the exact same thing. So, couldn't have a real Left. Until recently, when the system has decayed so hard that maintaining this artificial, skewed little playpen of stifled liberal-conservative debate is becoming increasingly impossible. The fascists on the other end certainly aren't going to wait around or respect these boundaries much longer, so it's incumbent on us not to either.

[@frankhernandez6524]

Bernie 2020!!!! First video and you guys were great.

[@SSVCloud]

Sure would like to hear Felix say the things they say Felix says.

[@zaloo]

yeah. these are the same shallow liberals who wondered who AOC was going to endorse. eyeroll.

[@caimacd]

This makes me happy! I obviously don't know if Bernie would have picked her as VP or not, but I kinda doubt he's going to now! I mean, yeah, it sucks because he probably thought they were friends and that she had anything in her but weak willed idiocy and ambition but... Oh well. Better to learn that now that a year into his presidency. Seriously, I am glad this happened. I could see her fucking up his plan to get bills around the filibuster.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

She thought they are friends. Sanders made it very clear he was lying to her. Two face.

[@valentinecarstensen6839]

Howdy y’all, let’s be sensitive to Warren Supporters. They are generally well desired folks. Overcoming the revelation of the nature of Warren will be easier if we all treat this with a bit of docility. Not that we should be honest and factual, just do so with a caring spirit.

[@valentinecarstensen6839]

Not that we shouldn’t be honest and factual

[@exoticgirl1]

I've been attacked by Warren supporters and they literally said that "they hope that Bernie dies at the next rally of a heart attack" so I'm sorry but you are wrong about the remaining Warren supporters! And they already were aggressive before this smear! Ofcourse there are nice Warren supporters but don't be shocked if you run into the hateful ones soon.

[@feydrautha012]

@@exoticgirl1 Well, I'd contend that Valentine isn't making an argument about whether it's fair/ethical to treat the Warren supporters nicely (because there is a lot of garbage coming from them, particularly from those that jumped from Harris to Warren). It's strictly a strategic argument-don't drive them off if it's at all possible, even if you have to be kinder than is justified.

[@valentinecarstensen6839]

William Walters 👍🏼

[@violentfoxtrotalphagolf]

What do they mean by PMC? Private military corporation?

[@LeninZealand]

Professional-Managerial Class.

[@MJFAN666]

"middle" class

[@ince55ant]

"ignore this as much as possible" getting vibes of uk's labour + antisemitism

[@Child_of_the_lie]

Hard agree. I can only have hope as Bernie is a way more skillful player than Corbyn.

[@wabznasm9660]

Child of the Lie Corbyn and Bernie are similar in policy and pretty much nothing else - I’m a Momentum member and voted for him all four times but he had none of Bernie’s charisma and two hundred times the baggage.

[@troyareyes]

Hey dumb question, what does PMC stand for?

[@jacoba1587]

Professional managerial class

[@troyareyes]

a danke

[@tyn6211]

The Working Class's boss. The meatshield for the owners.

[@deanrao4805]

So much of the dirt directed against Bernie Sanders is insane.

[@jaks2478]

I see, coward Chris changed the title from 'shivs' to 'attack'... ;D

[@MultiYoshiman]

🐍

[@heatheradeletate]

Wow, love the reaction!

[@linuxwizzerd5908]

personally, given his recent endorsement of Biden I think the DNC has something over Bernie and has been like that ever since this fiasco happened also I'm all down for PMC being used as an unironic slur at this point, it should have started even back then though

[@cyanplaza5153]

SQUEE WHERES MY CONTENT MR CHAPO

[@tlk2348]

After this stunt I think Warren is done.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Polls about the debate think otherwise.

[@tobyfunk6858]

@@trumblewumblehumble what polls the ones showing Warren's numbers slipping and Sanders rising? You're delusional.

[@adlucem9845]

@@tobyfunk6858 1 of the 3 shows sanders slipping. The other 2 show no change. WTF are you talking about?

[@PandinusRex]

American politics is so silly...

[@kathrynwegner5495]

It reminds me of the Willie Horten ad

[@gunnfan]

3 hillbot sources = 0.00001 real source. LOL. Hillbots are the worst.

[@ronniesutton9388]

Piss poor reporting from CNN again!!!!

[@reflectingh9997]

Elizabeth Warren cries out in pain as she strikes the Jew

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Elizabeth warren is disappointed in a friend and openly confronts him. Sanders calls people friends while having his campaign badmouth them.

[@oisinduncan8968]

@@trumblewumblehumble Warren was disappointed by Sanders two years ago and waited until it just happened to be politically advantageous to tell everyone about it? Of course Bernie's campaign are drawing distinctions between themselves and Warren's campaign, they have different political programs as a direct result of the differences between their political bases. Drawing out these differences with voters is not bad-mouthing, it's how you turn people out

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Warren was disappointed by sanders for not owing up to what he said and instead calling her a liar. You do not know who leaked the conversation (there were several witnesses to it, sanders aides confirmed a conversation about electability of women happened). Oh, ya, of course sanders goes on stage and says warren is his friend but then sends his supporters to tell everyone she can never beat trump. That is what friends do, right? I bet when warren supporters had run around and said sanders cannot be elected because he is a radical socialist, you would have totally condoned that, right?

[@oisinduncan8968]

@@trumblewumblehumble I wouldn't have condoned the statement because it's untrue but I wouldn't criticise them because they made the statement. Sanders' policies and the breadth and diversity of his support is what make him electable; no other Dem primary candidate has the potential to be at the end of mass movement like Bernie can. This is the difference that his campaign can draw for voters between Sanders and Warren. He is trying to win and since Liz is trying to peel away progressives his campaign is trying to show not only is he the more progressive and left wing candidate but that he has hundreds of thousands of volunteers and millions of small donors holding him to account on his platform. All of this is deflection from the Warren campaign to bury their Medicare for all U turn and to hang in Iowa. I live in Scotland and after our election here I have had e-fucking-nough of these clearly fabricated smears against left candidates in the national spotlight. Bernie for Pres and a proletarian militia to support UTW

[@gum8191]

lmao

[@wcowl]

slop-oh let's go

[@meho1010]

Warren pulled an "Irishmen"

[@DaWozzMan]

WTF is "The K Hive"??

[@shadesonsurfer]

Kamala Harris campaign cult members

[@usernameuser5573]

It's honestly amazing to see how many people are claiming to be no longer supporting Warren specifically because she refused to shake Bernie's hand. I genuinely believe that there are tens of thousands of people out there like that. Warren not being "nice" was all it took for them

[@ReplicatorFifth]

UsernameUser it was the straw that broke the camel’s back in many cases.

[@pR1mal.]

Go watch Michael Moore's latest podcast, which addresses this.

[@DragonMaiden77]

It was her using sexism and backstabbing her friend that did it, not the fact that she didn’t shake Bernie’s hand. Try to use more bad faith plz

[@gracieallen8285]

UsernameUser, someone on the thread suggested you watch Michael Moore's podcast, I second that, and it’s titled Rumble

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

You understand there's a very strong reason to believe even that was staged...right?

[@tobyfunk6858]

RIP Warren's presidential campaign. Bernie Tulsi 🔥 🌊

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Rip Sanders campaign if they keep up the stupid snake shit and shoo voters away

[@Flippwn1]

@@trumblewumblehumble lol hes goin up in the polls bud. nice try tho

[@BaronSaturday66]

@@trumblewumblehumbleWarren lied. She is impure. Snakes are pure.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

That is false. projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo Warren is in a slight uptrend (before debate she was 1/8 now she is 1/7) and sanders went from 1/4 to 1/5.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Or, which is far more liekly, noone lied, there was a misunderstanding, and people are stupid enough to accuse warren for it, which hurts sanders and warren.

[@michaelcontreras5206]

Pronounced SwaTHmore, despite the spelling.

[@Shrekfruit]

🦀❤

[@Shrekfruit]

🐍🤬

[@scoutbane1651]

Get Vaush on here

[@Zarastro54]

What is the K-hive?

[@stephlynn1982]

A group of Kamala supporters that call themselves khive on twitter. And they are VICIOUS and all despise Bernie. Bitter nasty Clinton supporters is all they are.

[@kimbeauley113]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_(Washington,_D.C.)

[@mayayamato7351]

A terrifying group of libs who love copmala harris and revere her like some fans of Beyonce (The B Hive) like Beyonce. Except its even worse because Kamala has unironically ruined multiple black people's lives.

[@Jnivella]

www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/eg4dca/the_founder_of_khive_has_a_pretty_interesting/?

[@thescopedogable]

i want her career ruined for this I want her primaried MAKE HER PAY

[@SodaiGoku]

I’m pretty sure she just ended her career. I would say her campaign, also, but that was already about to end anyway.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Oh how quickly the bernie bro tries to go for a woman again.

[@SodaiGoku]

@kite freeks Bernie Bro? What are you talking about? It’s obvious to everyone, even republicans and independents, that what Warren did to Sanders was awful.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

It is obvious to everyone who thinks every woman is evil when she actually fights back. Yes, that includes a lot of reps and independents. These guys like sanders and they wouldnt want a woman as president obviously.

[@SodaiGoku]

@kite freeks I have nothing else to say to you. There’s no point arguing with an idiot.

[@michiganmonkey1910]

K-hive be gone!

[@louis_irl]

Get Vaush on the show please

[@chocodoco4855]

FRIENDSHIP WITH BERNIE HAS ENDED, CNN IS MY NEW BEST FRIEND.

[@disco6]

Feature Vaush here

[@Multi_Plays]

:o ye

[@clearwater4470]

No

[@s.bakyhnh1756]

Hell yeah

[@Julez60]

#NEVERWARREN

[@words3147]

What does "PMC" stand for? Daddy Matt got me confused.

[@jimjoerobinson]

Professional managerial class

[@words3147]

@@jimjoerobinson Thank you comrade

[@t.a.m.4663]

Politico-media complex

[@jerryt3843]

Private military contractors. Warren's most ardent supporters.

[@odingungnir3669]

But we must listen and believe women.

[@mmartinisgreat]

Stfu bro. This ain't about that.

[@jordanallen3078]

Conflating believing victims of rape and believing a slimy DNC smear operation...PEAK 2020, so far.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Only when they are conforming to holy berniebroism

[@jackrutledgegoembel5896]

This comments section makes pundits' claims about Sanders and Bernie Bros seem right

[@felixbitorobbins5682]

Ok nerd

[@cravinghibiscus7901]

Ok boomer, have fun bending over the the bourgeoisie.

[@idler22]

pee pee poo poo

[@sglbeta]

stfu lub

[@aleksanderpetek3066]

oh pls, stfu

[@derntandern9637]

Calm down bro.

[@exoticgirl1]

Why would we? Warren has a history of lying! So sorry if we are not amused that she pulled this Hillary Clinton move

[@derntandern9637]

@@exoticgirl1 no just chill

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

@@derntandern9637 because it doesn't help our cause....we know what she is now.....we gotta just move on and bogart her supporters

[@derntandern9637]

@@snoopy_peanuts_77 very loud. Take it down a notch.

[@ellagage1256]

@@derntandern9637 HUH? WHAT? SPEAK UP! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

[@adlucem9845]

Bernie had his goons attacking her. but were not allowed to talk about that.

[@ghjk588]

adat smith begone neo-liberal

[@YouCanNOTvoteOutFascism]

That is an outright lie! Are you talking about the site where a "campaign organizer" posted the script that said to bring up Warren's affluent supporters? For one, that is not a real script. Two, it was NOT an organizer, that person was a random person that posted once before. Three, moderators took that fake script down immediately and denounced it. Official campaign volunteers are not allowed to attack other candidates. They only are allowed to talk about Bernie's policies. If you're talking about Bernie supporters attacking Warren, then that's something else completely. What? We aren't allowed to have our own opinion and bring up the fact that she has lied and lied and lied? We aren't allowed to bring up the fact that she was a republican up until the mid '90's? That she voted for Nixon, Reagan and Bush? That she worked as a corporate lawyer, preventing victims from getting what was owed them? That she voted to increase trump's military budget, not once, but twice? Hell, I don't know why progressives call her a progressive. She's a centrist, at best, and the others are conservative. She even admitted that she's a capitalist to her very core. Bernie is the only progressive. But, hey, Warren's just a "player in the game". So, she can claim any title she wants.

[@adlucem9845]

@@ghjk588 wow did you come up with that all on your own? Am I an Ok boomer too?

[@treeguyfly]

Oh no don’t dare make the case for your candidate or you’re attacking me REEEEEEEE

[@adlucem9845]

@@treeguyfly I also dont argue the case for land decommodification with tweens.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

Well, no. The gloves came off when sanders campaigners used a script that thrashed warren. That is a very dirty way of fighting, going on stage and saying she is his friend and letting his campaigners go and basically attack her as being unelectable. Also, Sanders wanting her to run back in 2016 doesnt mean he didnt say 'a woman cannot win' later, after clinton, the objectively better candidate, lost to trump, a really weak republican candidate. That was already in the context of the sanders campaign attacking her (while he still went on stage calling her a friend). Warren didnt say anything except that the conversation happened that way, which it might or it might not. Sanders could have gone on stage (or called her to figure s th out) and said it must be a misunderstanding, or that he doesnt think that way and does not recall the conversation, something like that. Instead he went on stage and said it didnt happen, which is a direct attack because he calls her a liar by that. Obviously she is angry about it. I'd be, too.

[@roniamini9411]

kite freeks Lmao bullshit

[@CynicalZielony]

Racist Bernie calls WoC Warren a liar.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

I think a lot of people are too dumb to see bernie sanders is a two face.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

What about it is bullshit? That is the bernie bro problem: NO arguments, just hate for women.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

No. But alleged friend bernie trashes a woman for having no chance in the general election (via his supporters) and then everyone acts like it cannot have happened that he ever said a woman cannot win against trump.

[@Urstupidumbass]

Warren ate dirt in pretty much every post debate poll so yeah, get stuffed Lizzo

[@trumblewumblehumble]

That is a flat out lie. She lost one debate and won all others. She rose after every debate except one.

[@arlostein1000]

Don't connect Lizzo to Warren, Lizzo dropped a tight album last year

[@Urstupidumbass]

@@trumblewumblehumble I'm talking about every post debate poll after THIS debate. Not every post debate poll for all debates.

[@trumblewumblehumble]

That is however not true. fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-january-democratic-debate-in-6-charts/ She won that debate. There are no reliable polls that span over a timeframe just after the debate yet.

[@oftinuvielskin9020]

If I'm trying to be generous I can see how, if Bernie had said something along the lines of "I'm not sure a woman will be able to elected in this country yet - there is too much underlying misogyny", Warren might come away with the disheartening memory of him saying "I don't think you can win because you're a woman and women can't win the presidency". Because memories of conversations do get vague and simplified over time. But the timing of this move makes it totally cynical and horrible either way. I feel like Bernie should come out with what he remembers the conversation to be about and what he remembers saying, even if it's just nothing. And explain his record on feminism so on. I don't think he should call her statement a lie, but that he doesn't remember making it or feel like he could have ever made that statement in that way as it would go against everything he believes. I feel like saying nothing only makes it worse, so I hope he addresses it, but then again if they don't do it exactly right it might not help at all.

[@donaldryan4876]

She said beyond shoved out that Bernie said that not she thought or that he might have. she's thinking the only way she can get that nomination is to tow the party line with the

[@DisappointedBuddha]

Sorry did you watch the debate? He did say it was a misinterpretation of what he said ("Trump will weaponise sexism and America is misogynistic, so I'm unsure if a woman can win this election" - something like that). He didn't say a woman can't beat Trump, he expressed doubt's because of how Trump operates.

[@oftinuvielskin9020]

@@DisappointedBuddha Didn't get to watch it yet, but I'm glad he did explain his side. In the article on the story I read through his campaign's responses read as kind of without substance/evasive.