Garmin VS LabRadar - SHOCKING RESULTS

[@ElkShape]

Building an extremely accurate sight tape bolsters your confidence! This vid shows how I tried to do that with the Garmin Xero Chronograph and Precision Cut Archery website. I highly recommend giving it a try! Have a great week y'all. -DS

[@ronaldirvineII]

I want to get one of those garmins but they kinda expensive

[@michaelrea6764]

@@ronaldirvineII brother they are expensive but very worth it. I love my Garmin Xero chronograph.

[@dougelliott4544]

Seems like It would be easier to set the garmin up just in front of your target and walk back the appropriate distance from there.

[@ElkShape]

Try it out and let us know! Thanks for watching. -DS

[@alexsteinlage4900]

Yep that’s what I did last weekend, it’s money. Reached out to Tristan and the one weird part with precision cut is it is taking a bit of info on distance to the target in its calculation. So set the garmin up 5 yards in front of the target and shoot at launch, 20, 60. Launch and 60 or 20 and 60 both are almost exactly the same and then the distance to target number I used 65. Have fun!!!

[@JulzA89]

Until you shoot low and smash a hole in your $1100 chrono 😅

[@brandont7407]

Yes I was think have it 15" below the bullseye and you should have less if a chance of shooting the Chrono set it up at 20 then 60 and it should be the same numbers

[@shiney1966]

Set the garmin behind something to protect it the arrow only has to pass over it.

[@larrygrant7338]

That's an interesting way of doing it. My concern is the Garmin is $600, the Labradar is now $450 on Midway and the Labradar site. If i put an arrow through the Garmin, it will be destroyed and i just lost $600. Unfortunately bad shots do happen. I would prefer getting it done in one shot with the Labradar with no change of destroying the chrono. Thanks for the comparison, it shows both units are really accurate.

[@cgsabo]

If you set the Garmin up 3’ in front and 12” below your aiming point and put a block target in front of it (you know like a person who spent 600 dollars on a Garmin), then shoot the aiming point target from the three distances from the target, you would have saved time (both yours and ours).

[@ElkShape]

When logged into Precision Cut Archery and using the BETA sight-in with LabRadar or Garmin Chrono - one of the most important data points is to enter your target distance, I chose 80 yards (based on the owner's recommendation) so I could have the fps at range 1 (20 Yards) and Range 2 (60 Yards) while shooting for 80 yards. I think this is key to having the software spit out a really dialed (and I mean ridiculously accurate) sight tape. Doing it the way you suggest probably would get ya close, just not sure it would be as precise of sight tape. Also, I'm pretty sure I don't like your vibe. -DS

[@cgsabo]

@@ElkShape My "vibe" of legitimate constructive criticism? Noted, thanks for the response.

[@lanewillhite]

@cgsabo yeah, your vibe, the snarky one about putting a target in front of the garmin to protect it, with you implying that Dan didn't pay for his Garmin Radar, therefore somehow making him irresponsible and making you angry and/or jealous. Your vibe. Just my "constructive criticism "

[@cgsabo]

Protecting a expensive item is common sense. I don’t care whether he paid for it or not, it’s not good practice to put equipment at risk.

[@fulldrawassassins]

I thought about this just the other day, and this morning, my buddy and I were discussing how heavier arrows seem to start off slower but maintain speed better over distance. Thus making the sight tapes inaccurate from 60-100 yards as compared to 20-60 yards. As if you need two different equations. LOL. This truly solves my problem but unfortunately created another. Now, my wife is gonna be thrilled about my new purchase from your website and subscription to Precision Cut Archery. But seriously, thanks, Dan!

[@AkiDarkWolf]

Getting a sight tape that way is what I would really want to get done. I hope there will be a Arrow-Safe tripod mount for it. Like a steel plate for the front that gives you the peace of mind. I‘d rather bust a 30$ arrow than a 600$ chronograph.

I have both as well. I prefer the Garmin for launch speed for arrows and bullets, never had a failed reading. The Lab Radar is easier than the Garmin for sight tapes with Precision Cut, especially if you are shooting on a public range. You cannot set your Garmin too close to the terminal target or it will not record, need at least an 8-10 yard gap, then it will work.

[@cmack003]

I'm glad to see I am not the only one having issues with the Garmin reading

[@jonathan_guerrero]

Nope I had a horrible experience with it. Read my comment above but basically I shot it one week and got 271 fps and the next week in the absolute same setting and setup I was getting 258-259 fps. I sent that $600 piece of trash back

[@richarddean3154]

Great video demonstrating a technique to get very accurate sight tapes. Well done and informative.

[@Gatorguy4287]

Dan, I've been watching you, Tim, and MFJJ for a while, and my buddy and I have started to dive pretty deep into arrow speed and time to target. We actually used an archery ballistic calculator to compare our similar current setups (420-440 grain @ 282 fps) to what we could potentially see from using a 350 grain arrow. When we started to break down time to target, we realized that between the 2 arrows, the 440 grain arrow would be lagging almost 30 feet behind the 350 grain arrow at 60 yards. Knowing how much a deer can move while an arrow travels 30 feet and how big of a deal time to target is, we decided to build some RIP XV's to gain that velocity and decrease time to target. My current chrono'd speed is 322 fps from my Bowtech Revolt, while my buddy is getting around 340 fps from his new LIFT. We have all this data broken down in 10 yard increments on a spreadsheet if it is something you'd be interested in.

[@JamesVanGriff]

Did a similar rip xv arrow build. If you're shooting a multi pin sight you may have noticed the added benefit of tighter pin gaps. I had 430 grain vaps tkos and went to 340 grain rip xv and noticed 45% more forgiveness in the rips. using one pin to shoot 50yds and 70 yds to measure difference in arrow drop, i got a 30" vertical gap with 430 gr and i got a 16" vertical gap with the 340 gr. Nice extra benefit as well as faster time of flight.

[@Gatorguy4287]

@JamesVanGriff I'm running a Garmin A1i Pro. While I didn't notice a tighter "pin gap", I did see my max range increase significantly. Which is essentially the same thing. Contrary to popular opinion, these XV's are penetrating deeper into my targets than my heavier Easton Axis & RIP TKO's. I also managed to shoot a doe with the on last day of season and had a beautiful pass through with the arrow sticking in the dirt behind her. 👌

[@JamesVanGriff]

@Gatorguy4287 thats awesome to hear the success on the doe! Ive only target tested mine so far but am hoping for similar results! I hunt mule deer out west and missed my best buck to date due to ranged at 63yd, rolled my slider to 65yds then came to full draw and when he stopped i shot for 65yds semi quartering away. He had made it closer to 70yds and i missed under his belly and not injuring him thankfully. That situation started my dive for more forgiveness in arrow drop.

[@CarolinaNocked]

This comment thread is so nerdy ….. I want to travel the world with all of you

[@Gatorguy4287]

@@CarolinaNocked 😆😆

[@larshowen3319]

I couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. But I bet I’d hit that dang Garmin on the first try!

[@jons7e]

Using the Leupold FullDraw rangefinder you can check the peak trajectory of your arrow in flight by plugging in some AA / PCA measurements to better setup / safely determine height of radar downrange

[@eddieolachia5305]

Did you have any trouble setting up the lab radar mine keeps saying aquisition error could not track projectile

[@TimGruver-o3n]

Great info. Good for figuring kinetic energy at distance ?

[@tonyviers-de9qi]

Great video . Whatsyour setup . I did same and dropped 30fps from 1 yard to 60

[@warrenbyer5743]

Really appreciate all you do! Thanks ELKSHAPE

[@Texaslivinoutdoors]

You should make a frame 15” tall off the chronograph so you have a window to shoot threw.

[@cwilson80]

I have had good success with the Garmin by shooting on either side of it. No need to shoot directly above it. It has worked well and don’t have to worry about hitting it.

[@NickyZee]

Tried this as well with my Garmon and Precision Cut, was able to get speeds at distance but my sight tape wasn’t accurate when I tested it. Could be bad info I put in or inaccurate info. I’ll definitely try it again. Love the content brother! 🏹

[@dxt6]

Have you tested the older chrono with the two new chronograph

[@hillcats2]

you could set the target at 21 yards and put the garmin in front of it at 20 yards to eliminate so much height/arch above the garmin shooting at 80. thanks for the great content really enjoy watching all your videos!

[@Blindvanish]

Is there a cheaper model of the garmin, because I'm seeing it at 600 and the labradar at 500

[@easternadventures4254]

I was thinking the same thing at the lab radar is cheaper and does it all in one shot? Why would you even use the Garmin?

[@rrr3r2]

I guess the labradar is pretty fragile and temperamental

[@african7498]

With my luck I would never miss that Garmin? Good to see that the accuracy of the radar is pretty good.

[@jasonwroy]

What length are your stabilizers on the LIFT in this video?

[@AkiDarkWolf]

He made a video showing the LIFT bow setup in detail around a week ago. If I remember correctly, it was 15" on the front and 8" on the back.

[@bradforner2939]

After watching this im gonna change my 100g tips back to 125g wondered why my site tape was slower at distance with less weight 😂. Thanks for the helpful info!

[@gabortoth1977]

Hi Dan! Nice content and test, very informative! Does Anyone tried this with the Garmin out of the arrow's way? I usually put mine beside me to the right side like about 50-80 cm like when I test my rifle also. It reads the launch speeds consistently and it is repeateable and read always the same with the same bow/arrow setup. If I am correct the manual says it reads almost up to 1.5 m to the side. Could this method work in dowrange speed test too? With such almost eliminating the chance to hit the chrono at the downrage distances... Maybe I will try this today and report back with the results...

[@ghosttrail8939]

How close are they to online speed calculators?

[@burkeprice605]

If your using the garmin why 80 yards, cant you just set the garmin at 20yard and target at 24 yards for your 20 yard speed and then set it at 60 yards and target at 64 yards for the speed at 60 yards. Have the garmin high at least 15 inches below your impact point I would think it would work😊

[@kylemacdonell1450]

Done this for years.. Just shot over my pro chrony.. All the way to 100 Yards.. FYI - I would use a target in front of the chrony at that range.. JUST IN CASE !!

[@moecontreras2014]

Great video and info..

[@paulhomsy2751]

Nice test but this is where the Labradar shines and doesn't force you to physically move the chronograph.

[@jeremyschoenfelder4495]

I have the Garmin and love it for the most part. Anyone else having difficulty getting it to connect to their phone?

[@danielely7437]

Thanks dude!

[@jkeithhowe]

OMG I didn't realize what I was asking. I can't imagine how scary it is to point your bow at your Garmin! Good job taking one for the team :D But the moral of the story is I was right and the Garmin would work to accomplish the same thing /flex

[@ElkShape]

Yup. You were bro! This video was made for you based off your comment and also shows I give the people what they want ☺️

[@AkiDarkWolf]

@@ElkShape You're the best when it comes to community input! I didn't ask about it but was hoping for this video to come out. Now I only have to wait until they start delivering the Garmin C1 in Europe. Might be doing my sight tape in around 2 weeks from now on if everything goes according to plan.

[@danwattsmessick]

When can I come over and have you help me make a new tape? 😂😉 Love this stuff, bud. Reps on reps. Keep it up!

[@DogFacedPonySoldier-p9i]

Where are you moving to?

[@Jasper_r_jones]

Dang the tripod is taller than are homie. Good vid keep up the good work.

[@andrzejtaramina2709]

Kept waiting for you to put an arrow through your Garmin chrono! LOL

[@Cparchery...]

I was going to buy the garmin but after watching your channel I found the lab radar $25 cheaper can't wait to mess around with it

[@rcuadro]

Isn't the LabRadar is about half the cost though.

[@frankspataro9714]

Why don't ya set it at the target and you back up and shoot target from different distances lol

[@ronhimmelreich238]

To me, the lab radar is easier and now, cheaper than the Garmin. I do not carry a chrono around so bulky is not an issue. The Garmin is so small though, I understand the attraction for consumers.

[@royhoglund1322]

Cool toys Dan!

[@garymiller4715]

The lab radar is cheaper than the Garmin now

[@ilndboy7]

I really like my Garmin Xero

[@jeremyhildebrandt]

Wow you shot the antlers right off that moose.

[@phj1757]

Just buy a Labradar.

[@jesusojeda4660]

I'll stick with my bulky lab radar 😂 but at least I know that I don't run the risk of shooting it 😂

[@wildernessbuilt6375]

How many people are going to smoke their Garmins trying to shoot over them after this? It's gonna be at least a few. Labrador is more expensive and the bow trigger is a bit of a pain but being able to shoot several arrows and get tracked speeds at various distances in one round is so simple versus trying to get the Garmin perfectly setup. Just my opinion.

[@cmoslof]

The JKL recoil trigger is a great upgrade over the microphone trigger. It has a magnetic base I mount to my weights on my stabilizer.

[@jackbuendgen389]

Getting excited for bear season?!

[@brappinism]

Would have been great content watching you put an arrow through a 600$ garmin honestly

[@MajAceWhole]

The Lab Radar is less expensive... and you set up and shoot from the same spot... aaaaand... I wonder how many people immediately smoked their 600 dollar Garmin on the first yeet...🤣

[@timthomas2125]

The Labradar seems better

[@jonathan_guerrero]

In my experience this thing is crap. Shot it one day and it was giving me 271 fps with the Garmin like 2 feet away from my bow and the yarhe 10 yards away. A week later I read that I probably put the Garmin too close to my bow and I put it about 3-4 feet away instead of 2 feet away. My speed dropped by 12 fps to 259 which was odd. I went back to the exact setup I shot a week prior and my speed was 259 fps still. If I didn't move anything where did I get 259 instead of 271 like last week? I placed it 4 feet from the target and I was 10 yards away and it started reading 170 fps. You're telling me in 3 yards I lost 90fps? Then I watched PJ Reily from Lancaster archery and he said to put your target 10 yards away from the Garmin and I had already done and I was getting 257. Absolute garbage I sent it back.