ELKSHAPE Favorite Arrow Fletching Jig?!

ELKSHAPE Favorite Arrow Fletching Jig?! .. Dan Staton of Elkshape breaks it down with MFJJ of ‪@podiumarcher3447‬ how to fletch arrows at home, particularly using the Bitzenburger Arrow Jig. This is a complete breakdown of how to build the back end of your arrow, and be ultra consistent with how you setup your arrows. #elkshape #arrow #diy
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[@ElkShape]

Drop us your BEST idea for Tim’s bow build.. we’re building it tomorrow and would like to do something fun and different than the normal run of the mill build! 👇 happy 2023 ya’ll it’s going to be a great year

[@dariuspatt9345]

Apa bows

[@Bowhunterlake]

You guys are doing great thanks for all the info you put out there.. you guys doing alot of walking what SOCKS do you guys wear I can’t find any that work for me

[@JJ-zn7yn]

long, full length build with MFJJ

[@sjmonty19]

Try stretching the strings before you install them in a homemade string stretcher, won't matter anyway tim is gonna loose at tac

[@drewolm]

If there’s anyway at all you guys can go Hello Kitty on his bow I really think it will be next level. FWIW I’ve got 3 of those Bitz jigs, all setup exactly the same and only one produces the most beautiful vanes. It’s able to put it just a little more twist in those vanes than the other two.

[@rockylopez1371]

DCA custom arrows has a piece of an arrow u put in the jig to find degree!

[@JoshHolmstead]

This DCA vane angle tool is slick. You can find them on Lancaster or their website.

[@jamespitts4080]

You beat me to it

[@jarredrush9544]

Only works on 204 arrows though

[@_DeFiNiTeLy_Not_BrAd_]

@@jarredrush9544 I asked DCA that and they said it works with other diameters too.

[@gone4days956]

Bro. hire a cameraman who knows what they are doing. i’m available for a small fee.

[@timsmoke8538]

DCA custom arrows makes an arrow piece that has degree marks on it to help line up your jig to a certain degree helical/offset you are looking to achieve. i run 2.5 degrees on my set up. great video guys.

[@garrettheapy7254]

Tested the clocking right and left at 80 and I couldn't shoot a difference in accuracy.

[@obionewheelkenobi689]

Would love to see mfjj prove which helical degree is best 👌

[@DavidWilson-ss2dy]

Another awesome video! Great job!! I believe the 75x105 was popular when you didn't have drop away rests and risers that were cut-out, because you would have less disturbance from feathers striking rest or riser. Better clearance. Still popular today for traditional bows where feather still contact riser while being shot. I still have four Bitzenburgers in use from 1980!

[@jons7e]

OK, I can't wait to see the advanced arrow testing that JJ is talking about doing. Inquiring minds want to know. I'm sticking with the EZ Fletch Mini Max... nothing better or easier. And if the parachute effect is a concern for TAC, you can always use a lower profile vane (since you're using field points anyway)

[@eggbert191]

Perfect timing. This dumb dumb just picked up a bitz to fletch my first arrows. Vap tko going with max stealth vanes

[@_MarkEdwards]

I love your informative content, I’m constantly learning something from you guys. You guys should do 100 yard vane accuracy comparisons with a hooter shooter indoors at a warehouse somewhere. Compare accuracy versus speed. Compare different helical’s all fired on the exact same arrow build. I would love to see you do some thing like that. Keep up the good work you guys are awesome!

[@trckn_151]

2 things. First great video, please do more of these for the at home DIY people. Would also love to see a review or list of equipment you think most people should have at home. Personally, I am in the market for a bow vise for doing some home tuning and would love some information about what I should be looking for, what's recommended, etc. Second, just a bit of criticism (sorry), when filming things like this where you are explaining and showing people how to do things, show what you are doing more than focusing so close on people's faces.

[@Makka316]

Yes!! This video is driving my OCD crazy. Fantastic content, terrible camera work this time! What is the sudden obsession with sticking the camera in everyone's face? They are normally awesome in the camera department but an entire video of facial close ups...what is going on!?

[@matthewhewston215]

Content is key

[@tannerk45]

I absolutely love you guys content and videos are normally awesome, but couldn't agree more on this video. I almost had to turn it off it was stressing me out so much. Way too close and way too much movement.

[@iCampSometimes2]

I totally agree. I learned a lot from this video but I’m a visual learner so them explaining things and me not being able to SEE IT was making me restless lol 😆

[@davidwest2410]

I decided to find another video to watch instead because of this same reason.

[@GBBLGBL]

I also own both of the AAE Bitz knobs...the 344 and the 456 They are incredible! I would like to add one very important point of the AAE knobs is if you bare shaft and index your nocks the knob allows you to loosen a lock screw. Then turn the arrow (without turning the nock) to perfectly line up your index mark with the cock vane on a 120 x 3 or perfectly line up the center of a 90 x 4. It's an awesome feature. Wouldn't it be great to have a jig that as you adjust the jig you could have micro click in 1/2 degree increments left or right?

[@scottcyp10]

Please never let the person who filmed this near a camera again.

[@sparrow808]

DCA makes a helical / off set measuring gauge. It's a sticker on an arrow shaft, I believe it's spec'd up to 3 degrees left or right.

[@clearwater1950]

One thing I do with my jig that I have been fletching arrows with since about 1978 is mark the starting point on the knob that rotates the arrow. That way, any minor differences in arrow position created by the mechanism itself is repeated fletch by fletch on every arrow. Probably not a big deal, but eliminates another potential inconsistency between arrows.

[@Carbonandlead]

I designed and built a 2 degree offset jig on my 3d printer for GT hunters and 2" blazers. Works great I've used it on a dozen arrows and had no issues. I'll upload a video on it soon if anyone is interested or wants to test it out!

[@ricardoruiz6612]

im a western hunter out in south west arizona practice out to 125 yards. i only use the AZ EZ fletch extreme helical left. my arrows do not parachute with a large two blade iron will broadheads .

[@zachlewis9451]

Tim's bow build: 70lb mathews dxt rigged up with new strings and all the new technology.

[@south_hunts_605]

Great info! Check out @podium archer’s videos he just did it a couple months ago in Hawaii, moved his unprotected Chrono progressively all the way out to 100 yards and clocked speed erosion, pretty cool to watch

[@toddturnbaugh4451]

Most of you guys are right-handed for us lefties. Does the arrow still leave with a left spin or is it reversed?

[@mingleefu]

Kinda doesnt matter if there's any correlation to right/left handed shooters, test an arrow on your own setup.

[@robertmullally8781]

What do you guys at Elk Shape and Podium Archer think about the DCA Sabre vanes?

[@rosariopurpora3811]

You’re right, there are stickers for the bitzenberger jig for degrees. They’re called the “Master Buck Cali-Bitz Bitzenberger Jig Calibration Decals.” They only cost a few bucks and are totally worth it.

[@lspostma]

You could set up a chrono at different distances and build a protective box for it, or get a Labradar and get live downrange speeds every 10 yards to 100... mine arrived a couple months ago, but weather has prevented me using it yet.

[@allenmccurdy8082]

What is your opinion on the Last Chance Vane jig?

[@joshuaoestreich1182]

MFJJ my dude. Just use the LabRadar (Ballistic Velocity Doppler Radar Chronograph) to show the speed degradation of the arrows. You could make some pretty sweet graphs showing the speeds at 20,40,60 etc. That way you can test bare shafts vs 2 degree, vs heavy helical.

[@wk9953]

Agreed. They are very accurate. I think he is just being difficult, and I have noticed that he is a borderline ideologue when it comes to his archery. Everything that disagrees with his ideals is either completely wrong or mostly wrong. He is very biased and unwilling to admit he is wrong most of the time.

[@joshuaoestreich1182]

@@wk9953 But that is why it is fun to listen to him. Wealth of knowledge and we all have 2 options. Take it as the gospel or test it out to form our own opinions.

[@wk9953]

@joshuaoestreich1182 Agreed. Sometimes, the arrogance is too much, but I always watch and listen before forming my opinions and taking what I can and leaving the rest

[@everythingballistic8812]

I could be wrong but isn’t it best to have the fletchings as far back as possible because it would rather than moving the center of gravity forward it would move the center of pressure further back? I think moving the center of pressure further back would help the arrow be more stable

[@brentbandy3566]

Higher risk of vanes contacting your face when having them pushed far back on the arrow

[@sparrow808]

To answer Dan's question about the stickers on the jig to check angle: Master Buck Cali-Bitz Bitzenberger Jig Calibration Decals

[@rage9720]

So you guys seem to be anti 4 vane and pro 3 vane. But I'm curious your thoughts when people like John dudley shoot 4 vane. You should have him on to talk about arrow building and his thoughts on one over the other

[@ElkShape]

He uses mechanicals - 4 vanes are great for that! -DS.

[@rage9720]

@@ElkShape awesome! Thanks for the info!

[@dancom69]

Plz. Im maybe dum. Lol when you fletch elicoidal, do you put an offset to it. 2 to 3degree offset??? Or straight elicoidal ? Specialty for shooting target at 50Meter

[@ZimFarm24]

Great stuff, I shoot FMJs and my pro shop insists on using wraps with TAC vanes saying it won’t stick. Just got a bitz to start building my own, do I have to have wraps on Aluminum with TAC vanes?

[@caninphx]

Shaft prep, and use their glue is my experience. I haven’t been able to get them to stick any other way without using cresting(sticker)

[@patrickdougherty9349]

This video is incredibly hard to watch because of the camera work. Hold still and focus on the work being talked about. I don't need a zoomed in view of the speaker's face explaining what he is looking at. Video what he is looking at, and for god sack HOLD STILL.

[@_DeFiNiTeLy_Not_BrAd_]

If you get the archery trigger for the labradar, it is very accurate. The problem with shooting thru a regular chrono at distance is you have a tiny window to try and hit to get consistent readings. There is a small middle section you need to hit every time, any deviation from the "sweet spot" causes irregular readings. You can test it by shooting up close and shooting towards the top of the supports, then shoot low, left and right. Been deep down that rabbit hole lol. The archery trigger is key to the labradar though, without it i got funky readings too.

[@darrenlowry7477]

I have a bitz and an ez fletch and I fletched up 12 arrows yesterday 6 at 500 grains and the other 6 at 420 grains. The groups were great with both. Use either with confidence

[@joegarrigues3697]

"I don't believe that works accurately enough." In reference to a lab radar.... man.... are you serious? If you don't want to spend the $ say so. They're expensive as fuck nobody would care.

[@sportbikeguy9875]

Headzup bitz users, you can modify the jig to get a better left fletch with the straight clamp, just by expanding the screw hole in the adjustment knobs. If you want a left fletch on a smaller diameter arrow, the bitz isnt very good at it stock

[@joerarey8496]

using different jigs (4 or 5 of the arizona jigs being used on a dozen arrows to save time) opens up an opportunity for inconsistency arrow to arrow. It's not sensical to save time at this step when using superglue anyway. Aligning each fletch on each arrow exactly alike is your best opportunity at having repeatable downrange accuracy.

[@skylerfinney2241]

I have fletched a few dozen arrows with TAC Driver 2.75 with no issues on the AZ EZ fletch. Not sure. I have ever encountered the issue stated myself.

[@justinthomas937]

Isn't there a flaw with the string making industry? If the arrow naturally rotates left with Righthand twist string and unscrews the field point then......ding, ding, ding......why the hell don't the string makers do a Lefthand twist string so it tightens the field point. Or atleast offer the option for who ever wants to buy it RH or LH twist!

[@matthewhewston215]

Always willing to try something new tried the sabers and kinda like them.

[@adamyoder1]

Is it just acetone in that AAE primer pen? I always use it, but I feel like we’re getting ripped off 😂 Also why doesn’t someone make a fancy milled out Bitz? They have so much slop in every aspect

[@Patch-KSwyco]

I shoot a Hoyt carbon rx7 Victory vap 350 with 1 degree offset and I keep having one fletching come off constantly any suggestions why this keeps happening

[@robertopuig7862]

If your arrow w/o vanes comes counter clockwise, then wouldn’t the broad head tend to unscrew with the arrow flight and impact, can you comment on how to solve this aside from gluing the broad head.

[@kaf2303]

If you are in the southern hemisphere right or clockwise rotation would be natural.

[@AaronMaz]

Man that video was hard to watch. Camera movement was all over the place. Anyways great info looking forward to seeing a more in-depth review JJ was talking about

[@pottsiesr.7773]

Watching this a year after upload so I'm not sure if it was answered already in the comments but the sticker kit for angles is the Master Buck Cali-Bitz

[@esc8engn]

i'm a brand new viewer, and i liked a lot of what i saw here. my main sticking points are that the "in your face" handicam should back off a bit on the head shots, and that the handsome gent you were ragging on has no need for help to magnet chicks. leave him be.

[@randyparker6268]

Hey Tim one question. Why when you film these videos you have the lens up in Joshes face? At least I know how many nose hairs Josh has. Whether I wanted to know or not. Lol!

[@whopperplopper]

I can see that youtube consultants are making an impact on marketing, ie goofy face thumbnails. Great instructional though!

[@beefnug6219]

This is a great video but it was so frustrating when the guy is talking about a specific thing and the guy holding the camera has it way zoomed into the guys face instead of what he is trying to show

[@bertcard2307]

Hey hey hey the parachuting must be a draw length difference oh oh wait must be a speed thang 😂😅 😆👍

[@MicahBeechy]

If you fletch the cock vanes and spine match it with that vane do you go with the front or back of vane with that much helical

[@bhuff86]

Thanks for the vid. Too much up close face action instead of showing us what mfjj is doing or pointing out.

[@omarsedano4301]

Great video. But this video is all Josh‘s face. I have no clue how to do any of that. I wish I did.

[@ApexPredatorOutdoors]

Tim try the Easy Vanes buddy. You can order them and don't have to mess with fletchings and glue and all that stuff. Plus you have extras you can just slip on in the field if you tear a vane. Use my code for 10% off. "10% + 2 Free vanes".

[@Colorado_Bowhunter]

DCA has a degree measuring arrow device for the bitz

[@RhettTranel1]

hi im 11 years old and I need a bigger bow where do you think I could get a good bow under $200

[@Orr_s]

That Bob Smith Glue is the bomb…ill prob never use another glue after using that

[@hollywood3882]

Gosh dang it Tim! Record what FMJJ is doing not his face! Lol.

[@martinaddison1461]

100 yards no need for it with a bow eventually causes target panic 😊

[@kylefrye6265]

Thanks for the awesome content and shop fun! Keep up the good work, I am going to run aae hybrid HP 4 fletch- 90 and a few x-wings in a dozen just for Tinkering!

[@ElkShape]

Right on!

[@joec33]

Lancaster archery makes a sticker kit for the Bitz, it costs about $5

[@samventura5455]

Have any of you guys tried aerovane 3s? They seem like a good idea but curious how well they work.

[@AngelVillaG]

Cameraman next time focus on the items and the process, no only the face! 👎

[@samventura5455]

That fletched at 1.8675309 degrees helical.

[@rogergibson9433]

where can i purchase this jig??? LINK PLZ???

[@bromma1979]

That looks like drywors not slimjim at the end please share the recipe

[@flooded3456]

I use a Labradar and can measure arrow speed at 100 yards easy enough. It will pick up speeds raight out of the bow and I can set 3 more distances of my choosing to record FPS. If I remember the lighter arrows (under 500 gr) were slower at the bow but more equal at the 100 yard range,,,, they maintained more momentum.

[@woodsdog7849]

Darton Prelude 32 Build or even a Maverick!!

[@juniharoon]

Ive used wraps with angles and i can get a maximum of 2.5-3 degree helical using the helical clamp

[@chesterphillips9881]

Have you had any problem with the Arizona fletcher not putting on vanes evenly? I have the mini right helical and the minimax left helical and they both put one vane uneven with the others.

[@dmouse522]

I have a really old one. I found placing washer/coin (depending on arrow dia)

[@Rod_Daigle]

Great information, lousy camerawork!

[@chrisstokley7687]

5 inch 2x veins :>).. old indian way .. with a twist

[@jimbefit3073]

1) Thought- IF... the arrows Naturally come off the bow turning CCW, (LH fletch) - correct? Then wouldn't a RH fletch provide a stronger straightening effect due to more air resistance immediately upon leaving the bow than a LH fletch? Imo, This effect would be appreciated most on a less than perfect release. Thoughts? Nice video guys. T.Y. Possible DISadvantage of a RH fletch- more susceptible to deflection for a longer distance upon release because it will take longer to overcome lh rotation reach max RH rpm and max stability. Ever tested this? Thoughts?

[@Aldocello1]

JUst got back into building my arrows , was using the Arizona , quick and easy , but not consistent . Just got two Bitzers , one for .246 arrows and one for .204 , once modified and set up , just love it . Something satisfying about relaxing and fletching arrows to my liking . The results are far superior . I did add the AAE knock mod to each . Excellent upgrade for knock point sbut even more for replacing single vane . Couldnt be happier .

[@dustinadams5374]

Would love to see a flight vid with the chrono!

[@5MinuteMaj0r]

It needs a set of truck nuts on the rear stabilizer.

[@dougbeller239]

I am a Bitzenburger fletcher. It bothers me for my 3 fletch to be uneven. 120,120,120 should look uniform from the back end but more times than not with small diameter shafts it is not uniform. But I did something to my Bitzenburger jig that has made my 3 fletch more uniform. I built the V that holds the shaft up opposite the nock receiver. I put multiple layers of black tape on each side of the V until the top of the shaft is running parallel with the bottom of the magnets.

[@Tyler_Mattson]

Isn’t the Labradar the most accurate chrono?

[@jimbefit3073]

The source of the "natural" rotation coming off the bow? Could it be induced by: 1)the direction the strings are twisted during mfg? 2) or a left handed shooter vs a right hand shooter? 3) or knock travel during release? Or.... ?

[@timbow50]

I have and tried two different models of the Arizona tool. It was so easy for a vane to end up not 100% correct no matter which vanes I used. I went to the. Cheap $30? red plastic Bohning with different clamps for experimenting. Yes it’s slow even with instant glue but every vane is exact. But, it’s like loading my own bullets- never in a rush. I’ve never understood why their are so many that profess they hate building arrows. Duh! The single most relevant part of archery!

[@artorautevaara2377]

Hi there, Maybe Lab radar can save you some building.. At least Ranch Fairy and some other guy used it. It takes initial speed of the arrow and 50 yard speed.. I do not know how accurate it is, but I think this should be used more, when you are testing the arrow speed.. It will give a better idea how Fletching effects the speed at the other end. :))

[@k1t1p2]

I think you’ve done better in your newer content but your video footage was horrible in this video, although I’ve seen other videos that do the same. I want to see what your describing and explaining, not see a facial close up while the person talks about the item. Literally shooting video of him talking when he’s showing parts and setting of the jig.

[@kenlafaive9336]

I love my Bitzenburger arrow jig, the only problem is that if you want your nock fletch in the up position (different color nock fletch) you have to rotate your nock approximately 33*. The problem is when you damage a fletch and try to replace it with the Bitzenburger, you'll to remember exactly where you originally had the nock. Other than that, it's a great fletching tool. I know I'm not as smart as MFJJ, that is why I watch all of his videos and elk shape videos. Looking forward to what is the best offset straight, 2% offset or the 6%. Thanks for all the info!!

[@MrBanolicious]

Looks like Jake has a bit of cauliflower ear.

[@curtwatkins9520]

DCA CUSTOM ARROWS does the vane alignment wrap deal. They also do a super sabre vane. Ive got some and built a set for a buddy of mine. He loved them just because they were different. White vane with bohning white tiger stripe wrap

[@darnellwatkins4031]

Gotta say you redeemed and MFJJ is now my favorite watch. Both of you** Middle of the road is where I’m learning between @ranchfairy and what you guys are. Pigs are different musculature. But I’ve never shot an elk. Good old commercial hunting hasn’t brought them back. *so they say.

[@G7rtgesc]

I’ve fletched with just about all of them. The Bitz is absolutely a legendary design and has fletched millions of arrows. The last chance is the only way to go this day and age. It’s easy and has the most flexibility. Save your money and get one

[@bkangas3786]

I’m a visual learner, if someone you’re filming is talking about or showing specific parts of bows or equipment, can you film the specific part instead of their face? I’m enjoying the content and the improvements you’ve made along the way!

[@d.h.9616]

Hey JJ, it's pernounceed Cyano-ACRY-late. This comes from the use of CyanoACRYLIC Acid in the production of the glue.

[@joelfindley7140]

What vanes and angle/offset would you recommend for 65lbs 28.5” draw, with magnus stinger buzz cut? I have heat vanes right now had some real odd arrow flights during practice over 30 yards.

[@stevenschmitz2361]

DCA arrows has a fletching angle tool

[@EricDavis-vw5rp]

BE Carnivore/ AAE Hybrid 23 x 3

[@timbow50]

Over the last thirty plus years I’ve experimented with I don’t know how many vanes, arrow brands and spines,points and fixed blade heads. I’ve never used a mechanical as there’s no physical reason to use them. And when I change to different shafts I experiment more. It’s a game in my mind. And to win is getting super awesome flight out of each shaft.

[@derekheady4996]

Can we get a video of dan vs MFJJ 25 targets if MFJJ loses he dyes the hawk blonde when Dan loses he has to rock a hawk like MFJJ 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ricklordon3248]

Ok explain a little more about how to know direction my bow is naturally spinning left or right before vains. Hopefully there is a way to do this at home. The arrow is travelling to fast to see direction.

[@caninphx]

Tac vanes with Firenock jig, you can’t go big offset or crazy helical. Same issue as the bitz. You do need to grind down the bitz helical Jig though to make it work

[@splashdown644]

As you said in the video, helical jigs are only perfect for one arrow diameter and angle. Anything else is just an offset of the clamp helical. If you want true helical (any angle) matched to your shaft diameter try some Easy Vanes. Or get a 3d printer and make them yourself like I do. No jig needed.

[@richardganz9318]

I used the Arizona jig all the time to fletch my arrows , but at long distance (75 yard +) I think I am getting a little bit of parachuting and I think it slowing down the arrow . Is any one else getting this issue ? FOC is around 16% thanks

[@pattowle4434]

Dan…I found these - Master Buck Cali-Bitz stickers available at Lancaster Archery Supply ($5.95)

[@christianherrington1456]

@ elk shape My pro shop and y’all got me shooting max helical to and I’m shooting to the left. Been shooting fixed heads out to 60 yards and shooting good groups. I’m not shooting broads past that bc I’ll loose them lol