Ellen or Elliot? Should We Go Along With Name Changes? w/ Dr. Jennifer Morse

[@juliewoods6810]

I am currently experiencing this with my 14 year old daughter. I refuse to call her by her incorrect name. Unfortunately, in Oregon, the teachers will call her by her preferred name and can even alter the school records without parental permission or notification. At 14, she was able to start going to therapy without permission or notification. In less than 2 months she will be 15, and will be able to make her own medical decisions. It is horrifying. All I can do is pray and love my daughter to pieces, in truth. I refuse to comply and call her a different name. I have been appalled by friends and family that are encouraging me to go along with the delusion, because of supposed suicide rates. So thank you for addressing and mentioning that. I have told my daughter she absolutely is welcome to change her name at the age of 18 when she is fully independent and on her own but until then I am her parent and she is my responsibility. Thank you again for speaking on this, living through it is heart wrenching. For other parents going through this, pour as much energy into finding common ground with your child and loving them as much as possible in ways you can ethically and morally. We have started doing more crafts, watercolors, listening to music and playing sudoku together🧡 I am grateful to God that at least my daughter is still interacting with me.

[@Torntopieces87]

I will pray for you and your daughter Julie

[@juliewoods6810]

Thank you, I very much appreciate it!

[@annmariebudyn]

We have a recent case un UK where a young person realised literally after waking up after having surgery to transgender that he had made a huge mistake! He is now going to sue the National Health Service.

[@rickdockery9620]

She’s 14, it’ll pass

[@EvanDempsey]

If I was in your position I’d want to move country asap. Your daughter is in a toxic environment and she is being groomed by perverts. Make whatever sacrifices necessary to get out of there. Force her to take an extended holiday somewhere these scumbags can’t influence her.

[@walesruels]

Such a wise lady! May God bless her abundantly! With love from a (non-Catholic) Christian in the UK.

[@Ezekiel336-16]

As a now ex-professionally certified Health Teacher (by choice because of this demonic issue), I can honestly say that we can not cooperate in any way, shape, or form with this eVIL if we truly care about the person who needs help; and that includes calling them by a new name of a different gender. They need to know without question that transitioning in any way is wrong and seriously detrimental to them in more ways than one. They may not like or appreciate that, and we may have to pay a hefty price for them to stand fast and hard with the truth, but being a disciple allows for nothing less. Souls, plural, are on the line and we must stand up for them by standing against them until the scales fall from their eyes and their heart. That's what heroic virtue is, no quarter or compromise with eVIL. In Christ, Andrew

[@junglequeen7386]

the machine is always hungry and yet never satisfied. attempting to feed the machine is appeasing the unappeasable. what does this machine eat? SOULS!

[@junglequeen7386]

AGREED! do not feed into their delusion follower of Christ. God makes no mistakes in His creation. God tells us to test the spirit by their fruit. have you not noticed the same spirit that dwells in all of them? pray for them, my friend! they need us for prayer.

[@JP2GiannaT]

Matt, I know you don't read comments but on the off chance one of your staff does... Amy Wellborn is a Catholic author who's written a ton of books aimed at teaching the faith to teenagers. She's also researched the transgender phenomenon extensively and has a lot to say.. please consider asking her to come on your podcast. This issue is particularly dangerous for teenage girls; she has fantastic explanations as to why.

[@tankthefrank100]

Does she have any podcasts or videos on the issue? And what books

[@JP2GiannaT]

She has a blog, no video content that I'm aware of.

[@JP2GiannaT]

She wrote the very popular series of "Prove It!" books about theology for teens, and she's written a book about saints aimed at children. She's also written a ton of books for adults about theology, including study guides for one or two of the Word on Fire pivotal players films. She's insanely prolific. As a heads up, her blog is about several different things; to find the stuff on gender/trans you have to poke around a bit. Of just Google her name with pertinent keywords.

[@lorenzolozzigallo2589]

Very good points. Loved the empathy, but at the same time the correctness. You can’t simply play along with self-delusion that may lead a person to make dramatic and irreversible life choices.

[@pintswithaquinas]

What Lorenzo said!

[@loganw1232]

Thanks, may need this in the future.

[@mr.loveandkindness3014]

Are you talking about someone's gender expression or the belief in invisible magic beings? Because I agree we shouldn't cater to people's delusions but let's be clear about the definition of that word, and who it actually applies to.

[@lorenzolozzigallo2589]

@@mr.loveandkindness3014 electricity is normally invisible and yet it exists. That’s why you shouldn’t stick a fork into an outlet. Is electricity magic?

[@izabeera166]

@@mr.loveandkindness3014 Most of these people would be in asylums not that long ago.

[@BadMedizin]

Shapiro said he wouldn't go to Dave Rubins wedding, but would have him over to dinner, It's what we are taught rIght? Love the sinner not the Sin.

[@DaltonHBrown]

Didn't Rubin give up his homosexual relationship?

[@daisyviluck7932]

@@DaltonHBrown no, he’s doubled down and now they’re adopting from a rent-a-womb. You might be thinking about Milo Yanopolis, but he’s hella unstable so who can predict the future on that one 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Ipleadthebloodofjesus]

@@DaltonHBrown no and yet he considers himself a christian.

[@cryptarisprotocol1872]

@@DaltonHBrown I think you’re confusing him with Milo

[@artistforthefaith9571]

Who cares what Ben the Jew thinks? He hates Christ and no Christian should give him any attention.

[@barbaramitchell7090]

I've found that I usually just end up avoiding names and pronouns altogether. I'm a terrible liar and I feel like I can't get incorrect pronouns out of my throat. It's almost as if it's a physical reaction. At the same time I don't want to hurt the other person's feelings or risk losing their friendship, and I want to be empathetic towards people. So it ends up being something along the lines of "Heyyyyy....you....", which sounds really awkward, but I guess I'm aided by the fact that I always sound kind of awkward anyway. Occasionally I'll make up nicknames, like when I had a friend named Jade who wanted to be called James all of a sudden. I ended up calling her J-bug, J-dawg, and a whole host of other nicknames. My approach probably isn't the best out there, and it may even be a little cowardly, but it's a tough issue to navigate, especially considering how hard the left has been working at making anything other than complete acquiescence taboo. But I can't pretend I'm playing along with the delusion, and I really think we need to stop enabling this craziness. The suicide rates among people with gender dysphoria are insanely high, and they're not any lower among people who have transitioned and received the full cooperation of those around them in their transitioning. There is no evidence that playing along makes people who suffer from gender dysphoria healthier in the long run, and in fact most evidence points to the contrary. This is a cultural phenomenon we should absolutely not cherish. And at the same time it's important not to demonize the people who are going through this themselves. In the first place we need to be critical of people who are actively encouraging and cultivating this cultural trend which is destroying the lives of young men and women everywhere. Just from my own experience, I've always been a tomboy. For the first 25 years of my life I was just accepted as such and no one ever assumed anything else behind it. But the past decade or so I can't count the number of times I've had "progressive" friends, fellow students, and coworkers ask me if I was actually transgender because I have shortish hair, and enjoy sports, riding a motorbike, and playing video games. Several even tried to convince me I was after I'd already told them I wasn't. It's complete insanity. I have one friend in Europe who has admitted to suffering from gender dysphoria who feels similarly to the way I do, and she explicitly does NOT want people to change the pronouns they use around her, and she believes therapy should be the first line treatment rather than HRT and transitioning. However, she also told me she sought help for dealing with her gender dysphoria and her doctors immediately assumed she wanted to transition; when she told them she wanted therapy to help deal with it, her doctors were taken aback by it and her problem was considered not genuine or pressing enough as a result. She had to actually change doctors (quite the undertaking in her neck of the woods) just in order to get referred to a therapist, and without said referral she couldn't even get access to one. Again, ridiculous and a sign of how much work there is to be done. Even the opinions of people WITH gender dysphoria are completely discounted when their experiences don't fit the ideological narrative.

[@tiagoguinhos]

I'm going to speak from experiece, so you are free to dismiss whatever as I say as scientifially unproven but: What Dr. Morse said about peer pressure is quite wrong and outdated. People don't assume their are trans because of peer pressure. If anything, the peer pressure that traditional household and communities impose on them are what's preventing them from being honest with those they love. And if you see this as an illness that border insanity or not, I do think you should be the first person to accept what nor them nor anyone can change: their feelings and thoughts about their own body. Why would the Christian God incite that kind of intrusive thoughts if there's no cure? Why would that God make them suffer like that, and make other people neglect their existance just because they can't love themselves in the first place? My best friend lived as a cis male for almost 30 years until she moved to another city with a more feminine look and she hasn't been happier. She fits in, she goes by another and pronouns. And what most of you don't understand is that trans people aren't man/women that transition to women/man, respectively.. they are going to their true gender, they aren't changing to an 'incorrect' one. This friend of mine has had therapy and they suggested HRT. And regarding your last point, not every person that experiences gender dysphoria wants to transition.. assuming that outright is wrong and I'm with you on that. First there should be a thorough talk about how the patient actually wants to deal with it.

[@barbaramitchell7090]

@@tiagoguinhos I see it as an illness. I see the ideology surrounding it as insanity, and thus far your only arguments have been the talking points of said ideology. The entire idea that gender and sex are separate is ideological. I'm familiar with what the kool-aid tastes like, so I don't need to have it explained to me, or to be told that I don't understand, by someone who then regurgitates the same old ideological talking points we've all heard a million times.

[@barbaramitchell7090]

@@tiagoguinhos Also I'm cradle Jewish. You assumed my religion. Luckily it wasn't my gender, or you'd have to engage in some self-flaggelation here. 😉

[@tiagoguinhos]

@@barbaramitchell7090 You're right, I did assume it, my bad.

[@tiagoguinhos]

@@barbaramitchell7090 I see the ideology as a recognition that traditional preconceptions are outdated, put simply. The same way before it was wrong to get a divorce and now it's okay. The same way women didn't have a say and couldn't vote and now it's okay. The same way homosexuality (and all that LGBT stuff) now it's more okay. I truly don't know if gender reassignment surgery is the best way to go, specially for kids, but I also know that ageing can make your body look further and further away from what they might want.. if the answer is to "live with it, no one is perfect" or "Time for surgery!" I don't know. However, I feel like there's space for improvement. If folks stopped treating everything that surround Gender Dysphoria as insane, maybe better conversations about it can be had. You can see precisely that in the comments: people supporting the decision the change their children of school or area while that may not be the source of the problem. Tl;Dr: I think dismissing the ideology just makes it worse

[@staceya5149]

It's never virtuous to lie.

[@justinjefferson5831]

There are two good reasons not to go along with the name changes. Firstly, it is to join in the lunacy and pretend it's true for the sake of not hurting the feelings of people who cannot be as stupid as they are pretending to be. Secondly it is important to understand that these people are not doing it because they are their own opposite sex, or because they think they are. If they do they need to be told there is something wrong with them, not pandered to. We need to understand that this is a political movement and they are doing it purely for POWER OVER OTHER PEOPLE. They are doing it because they want to bully other people into doing what both know is NOT TRUE. It is satanic and should be treated as such.

[@izabeera166]

👏👏👏👏 Do not give them an inch. They gaslight ppl using words such as compassion and empathy.

[@tiagoguinhos]

How is suffering depression any different from suffering from gender disphoria? How can you pretend to know what they think, even less how they feel? You all say to love thy neighbour but hate one everyone on the other side of the fence any chance you get. Instead of hating on them for trying to be happy, but try to understand them and talk with them without assuming they are lunatics.. that is just lack of respect. You don't call people with anxiety crazy because they need pills not to have panic attacks, right? And you don't tell people with depression to "be happy", right?

[@MaggiesNight]

Why is everything labeled satanic again?? You just arbitrarily assign that to anything you don't like. Music, satanic... TV Shows, satanic... Gender Identity, satanic... Pronouns, satanic... Anything that makes Christians uncomfortable, satanic...

[@justinjefferson5831]

@@MaggiesNight You are showing your belief that everything is about feelings. That's because you don't recognise that there is any such thing as truth or morality, which is why you support mass political killings, and people pretending to be the opposite sex. They're not doing it because they *feel* uncomfortable, they're doing it because it is satanic and you don't recognise that there is such a thing as truth, you poor brainwashed fool.

[@adamj2683]

I don't support the transgender movement but your view is truly shallow and lacks understanding.

[@st.saturninia9179]

I’ve got many, many gender nonconforming kids in my life and dealt with parents of all kinds. People who are militant about the pronoun usage will drop you from their life if you won’t cooperate. You will be considered a toxic bigot. For relationships I’m trying to keep, I just change the way I speak so as to not use pronouns at all. By far the hardest thing you’ll face is trying to show compassion and Christ like love, which these kids desperately need in their delusions. Practice the litany of humility. Also, my own teen was trying to get medical intervention in Oregon under 18, and was repeatedly denied. Liability still mattered. At school, it was 120% socially affirmed.

[@MaggiesNight]

I feel so sorry for your kids....

[@fragwagon]

I would think that a Catholic couple having fertility problems would almost find it a relief. Prayers for all the parents in this wicked age.

[@MaggiesNight]

Folklore

[@mixedblessingswithabbaandm7901]

No, you can't even go to such a wedding. Period.

[@DeathRayGraphics]

“I’ll come to your wedding, but, I neeeeed you to knoooooow how IIIIIIIII feeeeel.” (We know how you feel. That’s why no one invited you to the wedding.)

[@nebojsaknezevic977]

G'day mate. I am not of the Roman Catholic denomination but that doesn't stop me from appreciating your channel. There is a lot to learn about thought processing in the mind of a devoted Roman Catholic from your work. Would you be so kind to maybe in one of your future episodes talk a little about Paragraph #841 of the Catechism, please? For those that are not familiar #841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@mlp023]

I am dealing with this with a friend. She's allowing her son whose now 14 to transition. He always goes by a nickname which is very neutral but I don't ever use the pronoun she/ her. I can't. I don't agree so instead I just use his name.

[@tiagoguinhos]

It's not about agreeing, it's about respecting. The same way you don't tell someone with depression what they are a mistake (or something along those lines), you don't call someone what they aren't.. it border on insult in both cases. Try to understand they don't choose what they feel, that kid is just trying to be happy and they need support right now :)

[@lorenzolozzigallo2589]

@@tiagoguinhos yes. These kids need someone to reassure them that God made no mistake with their bodies, that they need to trust Him and to allow no criminal physicians to make big money by butchering them.

[@tiagoguinhos]

@@lorenzolozzigallo2589 God made them have these kind of thoughts.. the same way you can't control when you feel sad or happy, you can't control how you feel about your body. Your God may not make mistakes, but if that's the case He made these people have illnesses that cannot be cured without physical surgery or HRT. Blame Him for that.

[@carecc7191]

Get a new friend. Catholics have a moral obligation to distance themselves from bad company: "bad company ruins good morals." You give in to sentiment of a personal relationship which you would be better off without. How many have genuine friends, in reality?

[@tiagoguinhos]

@@carecc7191 That's not a lovely thing to say, you know.. so much for 'love thy neighbour' to then suggest breaking up friendships you know nothing about. You don't have any moral high ground.. and if you think so you just prove my point. If your kid had depression I wouldn't tell them to go play outside or to be happy, I'd try to understand them and actually help them instead of dismissing their thoughts and emotions as if they were less than an injured animal.

[@junglequeen7386]

not being able to change your body dont make people suicidal. your brain already knows no matter what you do, it will be impossible. the person you formed for yourself in your head doesn't exist in your body. suicide comes from believing in false hope. its a different ballpark when the surgery involves your hormones. the outcome will not be what you want unless you truly dont care. which then might make your surgery successful. another thought which weighs heavy is mental health care. a women before abortion are given access to these providers. how much access are these people receiving if health insurance/work company are paying for surgery. why are they not getting all the support they need? these providers should be free more than your surgery.

[@mitchvr]

Are they a baptized Christian? Are you? Is it clear to them that you are trying to live the Faith? Tell them you’d prefer to call them by their baptismal name since, as a baptized Christian, it is (arguably) their truest name. Luke 10:20, “… your names are written in the kingdom of Heaven.” Makes a person what name that is.

[@MaggiesNight]

Folklore

[@r.m5883]

@@MaggiesNight yeah gender lies are you’re right never thought about it that way

[@MaggiesNight]

@@r.m5883 wait what?? Wtf are you babbling about??

[@josephfisher426]

My opinion about the name itself will vary with how well I know the person. If a stranger or vague acquaintance wanted to be called Bubbles the Clown, my acquiescence to the use of the name Bubbles doesn't have any meaningful impact. It's a tangential relationship. With someone I knew better, the sense of the "transition" being a sudden pronouncement would be WAY less authentic and the demand to accept it much less reasonable. If Bob wanted to be renamed Stephanie and my relationship to Bob had any depth at all, I would already have been accepting Bob as a girly guy and I would not be contributing to any perceived need to be called something different.

[@joewat3982]

I was dismayed when an older teen was outside church, *"correcting"* adults, who had referenced *multiple male teens* as, "they," stating, *"You Don't say, 'they,'... it's, 'Zey / Zers'."* There was no counter at all, not even a simple grammatical, singular / plural, distinction. The English language has evolved over centuries, yet maintained certain societal constructs, greater than individual vanity; it'll be here long after the imaginary words of children's pretend languages pass.

[@carecc7191]

The best response to that is RIDICULE and it's not NICE but effective. The punk needs to be laughed at by his peers. One of the many errors in the Novus Ordo church of nice is tolerating the intolerable and an EFFEMINATE refusal to chastise evil-doers. What's stopping you and like-minded, sane parishoners from speaking up?

[@joewat3982]

@@carecc7191 I don't know about the others, but I was en route to help family members that had requested urgent assistance for *real* issues.

[@DEMIxGODxSHADOW]

Can call her Simon Cowell if I damn well want. All depends on what my mood and intent is, and she has the right to call me whatever the hell she wants too.

[@andrewturnbull4434]

I struggle with this but then remember the transgender boys and girls I’m teaching in year 7/8. They are people first and foremost. And if anyone here needs that stone to throw because they’ve never done/ doing anything ‘evil’ or ‘grotesque’ let me know and happy to send you one.

[@DEMIxGODxSHADOW]

And when I was in school every girl was bi even the ones that had no attraction to girls, and would never do anything with one.

[@l21n18]

People can change their names to whatever, if someone changes their name legally, are you still going to refuse to call them out

[@ms.tonielizabeth8530]

She is a very wise woman

[@amascia8327]

*Grotesque* is an apt description for it.

[@batmaninc2793]

Ellen, not Elliot; do not capitulate.

[@leef_me8112]

@@almostgravy6556 Per the topic, changing ones name is to disguise their original gender. If Charles likes to be called Charlie, it is a standard alternative. If Charles whats to be called Charleen, with they/then pronouns; the Charles is out of luck. It feeds into a gender delusion, and is just hard to follow. The a'hole is the person who promoted this in the first place.

[@leef_me8112]

@@almostgravy6556 My previous reply was based on having some prior knowledge of the person. I've never considered your scenario, so I don't know.

[@leef_me8112]

@@almostgravy6556 When I know they are not 'X' I will not call them 'X'. Their delusion does not require me to agree.

[@stephanieperry1119]

Does it make sense in the context of talking about something the transitioned person did while he was a she?

[@LeftHandRule]

It’s still the Sears tower to me

[@tammyschilling5362]

Do NOT call them by the fake name. People do not willy-nilly change their name. They change their name when something real changes (like getting married). The desire to re-name oneself is part of the desire to self-determine, and essentially be their own god and disrupt the natural order.

[@job1.21]

I agree with Matt and Dr. Morse on the acceptability of using a new name while at the same time, with love and grace, disagreeing with the false concept of "transitioning". But since this clip was put out in response to Dr. Peterson's Ellen or Elliot distinction, he made an accurate and ration argument that the statement he made about her on twitter (that got him suspended) would of been nonsensical using her new name or different pronouns.

[@allmertalex]

I personally am indifferent. If a Christian converts to Islam and changes his name to one that is Arabic or to Buddhism and changes it to a Hindu name, are you going to deadname them? The transgender ideology is essentially a type of religion, you don't have to agree with it but at least call a person how they want when talking to them. Don't have to do that when they aren't around. I know someone who identifies as a "they" and uses the name Johnny, she's obviously a female but I like her as a person and think that in most cases she's very bright even if she's a bit weird with how she wants to be referred to. People should be shown compassion regardless of how misguided they may seem.

[@Okillydokilly69]

Oooooh she’s back!

[@isabellfox2915]

Depending on the nature of the relationship I had with them would determine whether I felt comfortable intervening in this but no I would not refer to a transitioning person of any age with a 'new name' - there was a transitioning man came to a chuirch I went to a while ago and I could not speak to him because to do so would have meant calling him a womans name - I did not know his actual name so I simply never spoke to him. The irony is though so often with these 'tranisioning' adults both male and female is the men look like drag acts or Pantomime Dames (I guess most people will know what that is though it is I believe strictly a UK phenomena - panto that is) I am yet to see one that actually looks in any way shape or form feminine, and the women who are supposed to be men just look like reaaly butch women athletes - shot putters etc and they arll seem troubled and very disturbed people so I believe the whole thing is some kind of demonic social construct/lie to trick these poor people into undergoing this horrendous surgery and other treatments which leave them in a wilderness that there is no going back from

[@juliabishop1968]

If children have been mentally corrupted to believe they can change their sexual identity, I think parents need to hand them over to the state; because the state has destroyed and corrupted them. They are rotten to the core and only a miracle (from God) can restore them. IMHO

[@MaggiesNight]

Superstition

[@michaelcarper2185]

There's a difference between changing one's name and changing it because one suddenly thinks one has a different gender.

[@tiagoguinhos]

There's a difference between thinking one's sad and thinking it because one suddenly thinks one has depression. The answer isn't to deny how they feel, it's to help them until they get medical help regarding any problem they might be suffering from.

[@michaelcarper2185]

@@tiagoguinhos What you're saying isn't clear at all.

[@tiagoguinhos]

@@michaelcarper2185 the first sentence was sarcastic to point out your rather flawed logic

[@Gamiliell]

you know, if people are individuals and unique beings, why are we creating a cookie-cutter approach to them? ... it is much more genuine to meet each one where they're at as a unique person in unique circumstances ... the trans agenda is a cookie-cutter approach, not considering the individuality of circumstances, and they are painting every grievance with the same brush ... they are intellectually and spiritually lazy, let us not be like them! #appreciate your work

[@TheAAnne123]

How about adult 30 something children that are too old to make these fantasy based, totally selfish, demands on parents - but they use their child/your grandchild to manipulate you. And it breaks my heart that she is giving up/rejecting the beautiful name I gave her at birth.

[@daisyviluck7932]

That’s when you need to discern carefully because you might be the only non-crazy in that poor unfortunate child’s life.

[@MargoB]

@Prey R That's a bit too black and white, no? After the age of reason, children make their own decisions and bear responsibility for their own choices (more responsibility accruing to those who are older, of course). Sure, how we are raised plays a significant role in how we choose to continue living, but how we're raised is not the only factor in our life choices.

[@carecc7191]

@Prey R What nonsense! Do you blame mommy and daddy for all of your sins and character flaws? Each person has a free will and once a child is out of the house, he or she can follow the world, the flesh, the devil and usually ALL THREE. Parents do err and need to take stock of their own mistakes and sins but the idea that everything can be blamed on a bad childhood is liberal, lunatic drivel.

[@carecc7191]

@Prey R Conservative? No, irrational and based on your feelings, most likely. Catholics believe God makes individuals, unique, irreplaceable souls. Coming from a bad family gives one genetic tendencies; they are NOT absolute. The sins of the fathers can be conquered by God's grace. I have many alcoholics in my family of origin for instance, but we are NOT all alcoholics.

[@carecc7191]

@Prey R Your conclusions are irrational, a knee jerk response, typical to leftist lunatics. God judges individuals for what they do and for what they fail to do. A person is first and foremost, responsible for his/her own conduct. Natural law gives parents and those in position of licit authority, responsibility for others to a DEGREE. Your comments indicate that you are one who blames everyone BUT YOURSELF, how pathetic. Only the Lord Jesus Christ had PERFECT parents, in his Holy Mother and St. Joseph as foster father. We are ALL sinners and are called to forgive and intercede in prayer for one another. You presume an authority you DO NOT HAVE. I can and do judge actions, my own first and am required to intercede in prayer for even my enemies. I suggest you read St. Alphonse de Ligouri, moral theologian and Church Doctor, for the CORRECT teaching on sin.

[@cloud1stclass372]

You wouldn’t be your friends best man at a non Catholic wedding? Really?

[@brettkelly7374]

Jordan has made it clear that he would respect a person's request on how to be addressed , he just doesn't want the State to force someone to do it.

[@DEMIxGODxSHADOW]

No he made it clear he would respect them, if they act in a manner deserving respect. Why are they asking him to use these names, what's the goal, and how do they act to himself and others.

[@Chris-vd7dk]

I am a public school teacher and we should not use new names or pronouns for students. I use last names or no names and no pronouns at all and I tell students I care about them no matter what. I risk my job for this but it is worth it. Using new names and pronouns is literally socially transitioning students which causes them to persist in there transgender identification when they would normally desist at a higher rate. Multiple studies have shown this including Dr. Zucker's work who helped write the DSM 5. We must resist this for children, especially our daughters. For Adults a new name may be fine, but for children it isn't. Please read Abigail Shrier and Dr. Lisa Littman's work.

[@daisyviluck7932]

Only in the extreme case (person with gun in hand pointed to own head ready to shoot if I don’t say what they want to hear) would I comply. And then when the danger is over, refuse to use chosen pronouns

[@ellarsmellar181]

Did you know that using a trans persons preferred name decreases trans suicide rates by 50% ?

[@daisyviluck7932]

@@ellarsmellar181 maybe that’s true, maybe that’s not

[@ifstatementifstatement2704]

This is not an issue of name changing and you know damn well! This is an issue of a woman disguised and multilated to appear as a man and who wants others to pretend she is a man too. When kids play pretend, people don't actually believe their imaginary world and friends are real. She can do what she wants with her body and she can believe what she wants. Just don't expect everyone else to do the same. People are free.

[@mr.loveandkindness3014]

Imaginary world? Heaven and hell, angels and demons, walking on water and global floods and exodus that never happened, just don't expect anyone else to go along with it.

[@rileywiley268]

@@mr.loveandkindness3014 do more research before posting ignorant comments

[@mr.loveandkindness3014]

@@rileywiley268 would you like demonstrate exactly what I said that was ignorant? We could have a productive conversation if you'd like🙂

[@peterbecker623]

This is a question for Catholics, im just wondering and don’t want to be rude: it seems like transgender people experience genuine mental and emotional distress caused by an incongruity between their brain and their body, and the treatment for this incongruity is to make the body match the brain and to generally reintegrate people into society in a way that lessens that incongruity they feel. Medical transition, being referred to by their preferred pronouns, and generally being treated well makes their lives actively better and helps solve the problems/incongruities they are having. With this in mind, why are Catholics so opposed to these things that make the earthly lives of transgender people better? I don’t think Catholics are opposed to other types of medical or therapeutic treatments when it comes to other disorders, so why is this so different?

[@jzreparatrix]

Just a thought: We object because God the Father created the person in a specific gender. We honor the First Commandment and His Will.

[@jennifermorse2372]

Why not make the mind match the body instead of trying to change the body to match the mind?

[@mr.loveandkindness3014]

@@ChrisTIan-nw8tx would you like to walk through the cancer ward of a children's hospital and say that to the face of 7 year olds with leukemia? Respectfully, if there exists a God who doesn't make mistakes, that's far more disturbing than one who does.

[@deeb6270]

@@mr.loveandkindness3014 our sin is what is responsible for tarnishing the perfect world God made for us. He doesn’t make mistakes. We do. He works through our issues with us to make us more like Him. He shows His love for us, besides through the sacrifice of His son for our souls, through other people responding to our needs. We should do the same for others, when we see a problem, we try to help.

[@deeb6270]

@@mr.loveandkindness3014 do you blame your parents for all of the bad choices you’ve made? I hope you had good parents. But even if you did, they could never be as good as God. He is the perfect Father. He has given you the gift of life, not just physical life but He offers eternal spiritual life as well.

[@joelbasiljohn3445]

wonderful

[@brianhudgins990]

We cannot use pronouns that we know to be wrong. It violates the ninth commandment, it is a false witness.

[@MaggiesNight]

That's Christian superstition and not everyone follows it. 😆

[@jimisoulman6021]

Does it seem a tad hubristic we as sinners are in any position to judge anybody?! Grace and love in all we do. Our views should only be expressed if requested.

[@northwestdestiny1388]

We are not called to be blind. Speak truth with love. Beyond that, how it is received is not on you.

[@daisyviluck7932]

So you’re fine with children being brainwashed and mutilated. Got it.

[@jimisoulman6021]

@@daisyviluck7932 no I did not say that. Always like it when people interpret my comments that do not line up with neat boxes as against their position. I am merely saying we are broken and have our own personal/family/challenges to deal with. Wading into other people's personal lives is beyond our calling - unless actively requested. Let's focus on being salt and light to those around us not pass judgement on lives we do not approve of. For all of us fall short of the glory of God. My sin makes me no better than their sin.

[@bostelmanfamily]

Depends on the level of relationship with the person in question. Would I say something to a random cashier that I do not know? No. My own relative or close friend? Yes.

[@cryptarisprotocol1872]

@@jimisoulman6021 Ah, you see I have read your comment multiple times and it is odd to not come to the conclusion that you are stating not to rebuke, chastise or guide someone who has transgressed or is in a lifestyle that encourages sin in contradiction with a myriad of verses and commands from God. In fact the famously quoted Matthew verse where this misinterpretation stems from only really calls on you to self-reflect your own sins until you have a mind of clarity and are in a position then now to go forth and correct and teach others who are in error. Lest God would not rebuke and remove the Merchants of commerce from the Temple of God. A sizeable chunk of repulse away those in error because they lean into rebuking and more so seeking to punish with wrath instilled in their hearts like the crowd who wished to stone the harlot before God said “he who is without sin throw the first stone”, instead of a person coming with love a clear mind and approaching the one who is in error as a concerned brother or sister.

[@SuperFernandinho7]

Her name is Ellen and she’s a woman. The fact that this is even a question is ridiculous

[@MaggiesNight]

He's doing just fine regardless of your opinions...lolololol

[@r.m5883]

@@MaggiesNight folklore. Lol

[@MaggiesNight]

@@r.m5883 uhh..ok...

[@Christ__is__King]

First

[@patriciamckenna2661]

This is wack! If you are pro life you love and support these individuals. I know people who have trans kids and young adults who have tried to commit suicide several times because not being accepted. Their lives don't affect you and your beliefs. Grow up!!!!

[@leef_me8112]

No Patricia, fight against the evil. This is an off-shoot of 'accepting' gay marriage.

[@deeb6270]

They commit suicide because their minds are sick, and they don’t get loving Biblical counseling. We need to love people in truth. The truth is always best. God accepts us as we are, but He expects us to grow in truth. Put aside perversions of His creation. Love the people God created, not the sin they use to steal themselves from God’s will. That goes for any sin, anything that distracts us from Gods will for our lives. So-called “progressive” Christianity is a cancer.

[@lorenzolozzigallo2589]

Transsexuals commit suicide at the same rate even after “affirmative therapy”. They realize that they have mutilated their bodies but they’re still in-between. To encourage “affirmative therapy” is evil. Converting and repenting is the only way to God.

[@MaggiesNight]

@@leef_me8112 gay marriage can stay illegal as long as heterosexual divorce is also illegal. 😅🤣😂

[@leef_me8112]

@@MaggiesNight I'm all for that. But what does that have to do with lack of gay marriage? The limited statistics I've seen show that gay =/= monogamous.