When the controller sternly said SAY SPEED, I was waiting for the pilot to reply with.....speed
@GC-qe8vc3 жыл бұрын
Or with "yeah I'm on speed"...
@sirgregsalot3 жыл бұрын
"Speed"
@timfountain983 жыл бұрын
You know the old joke - Approach - "Cessna Nxxyy say speed" Pliot "Speed" Approach "Cessna Nxxyy say cancel IFR" Pilot "er, speed is 130"
@thierryg733 жыл бұрын
They need to pratice more english.
@nickgresla2343 жыл бұрын
Yea and you can just sense the stress in his voice
@je40042 жыл бұрын
I agree with many comments: the first pilot on the radio barely reaches ICAO's English Language Proficiency Level 4 (minimum operational level), based on this conversation anyway. But hats off to the controller who realises the communication problem, speaks slower, enunciates really well and repeats instructions with absolutely no sign of irritation in his voice. A job really well done!
@RioJudy2 жыл бұрын
The pilot is impaired. That’s what this is!
@ericfrazer4736 Жыл бұрын
private registration out of brazil, color me shocked
@cageordie Жыл бұрын
That there is a proper professional controller.
@RealJackHQ Жыл бұрын
People argue about the whole country needing to speak English. Why not just go full speed ahead with air traffic communications and then we’ll have nuanced conversations elsewhere.
@cshader24883 жыл бұрын
Hats off to the Controller. Took his time and slowed down, did a great job.
@waldoinaz3 жыл бұрын
The controller was granted permission to approach the pilot once he managed to get down. He walked up to the pilot, placed his hands on his shoulders before driving his knee into the guy’s groin. The controller then merrily skipped back to work with a song in his heart and a smile on his face.
@nexus98763 жыл бұрын
@@waldoinaz bruh?
@waldoinaz3 жыл бұрын
@@nexus9876 Yes, FAA regulation 18-2290-A clearly states, "When a controller is forced to handhold a complete moron safely back to the ground, there are granted full authority to punt the pilot in the nuts." I don't make this crap up...much.
@nexus98763 жыл бұрын
@@waldoinaz Oh yeahhh, you right you right. I must have forgot about that regulation
@robertshanahan66233 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was actually pretty good. You can tell he's capable of speaking cle't'lan with Southwest and Endeavor, which is fine as long as they understand and read back correctly, but he slows down and enunciates with FBL and doesn't sound annoyed that he has to do so.
@antoineroquentin22973 жыл бұрын
ATC: "Possible pilot deviation" FBL: "I reject your reality and substitute my own"
@ProlZack2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam savage. Haha
@maxwellfalk19283 жыл бұрын
atc: "possible pilot deviation" PSFBL: "maintain heading 040" did he just try and jedi mind trick the controller
@StrokeMahEgo3 жыл бұрын
*waves hand You don't need to see my pilot certificate
@salkabalani14823 жыл бұрын
Maybe a Jedi mind trick
@jeffn823 жыл бұрын
@@salkabalani1482 It didn't work
@DustyCircuits3363 жыл бұрын
@@jeffn82 💯 Because the controller doesn't have a weak enough mind.
@Boss_Tanaka3 жыл бұрын
Also l don t believe in his landing gear issue.
@jakkuub3 жыл бұрын
I would rather walk from Brazil to Boston than fly with this crew
@claudioalves11973 жыл бұрын
😂
@josephdale693 жыл бұрын
Literally
@mariopinho65493 жыл бұрын
And many other crew.
@HighOctane-wo6cm3 жыл бұрын
That definitely was an “accident waiting to happen “ scary stuff
@Gamebreaker083 жыл бұрын
You wouldn’t make it out of Brazil lol
@SevenandForty3 жыл бұрын
Controller: "Turn 5 degrees right" PS-FBL: "What heading?" Controller: "What's your current heading?" PS-FBL: "035" Controller: "Turn right heading 040" *facepalm*
@andrewlorenzo66113 жыл бұрын
laughed my ass of when he said that lmao!
@gankala83 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahaa
@behindthen0thing5253 жыл бұрын
Lol
@tchecholino3 жыл бұрын
Easy said than done! Everybody making fun of the guy, but can't imagine how stress with the language, plus troubleshooting the landing gear, plus following unnecessary instructions... You can tell he is a new pilot, but looks like there are more expert pilots here in this comments.
@behindthen0thing5253 жыл бұрын
@@tchecholino he's not his
@timroebuck7693 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear the ROBUC3 being used, this flight path into Boston was named after my Cousin when he retired after many years as ATC at Boston centre
@jayd1687a3 жыл бұрын
Very cool. I’ve wondered how these routes got named. It’s a nice touch to the evolution of the roads in the skies, like how roads in towns get named.
@MarkARebuck3 жыл бұрын
The name caught my ear too, because my last name is a variant of the same (went Rohbock -> Rhebock -> Rebuck over a few hundred years)
@timroebuck7693 жыл бұрын
@@mhp0810 whatever, believe or not
@HalfShelli3 жыл бұрын
Wicked awesome pissa!
@ashleyberman93763 жыл бұрын
That wouldn’t happen to be “Your cousin from Boston” by any chance? 😜
@robertg53933 жыл бұрын
A pilot like this should not be flying a high speed Phenom 300 into a busy airspace - perhaps even better, not fly at all. He may be not a native English speaker, but he has no business being in a very busy airspace not communicating well.
@jesse00pno3 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%!
@lovejetfuel40713 жыл бұрын
I would not trust this guy flying a C172 in Microsoft Flight simulator
@ryanAAL13 жыл бұрын
reminds me of the Air China at JFK with heavy language barrier.
@cardoncarl3 жыл бұрын
@@lovejetfuel4071 Loool
@chrissede22703 жыл бұрын
I honestly don’t know how this pilot got his certificate. Can’t fly a published STAR can’t fly an ILS. If that was a 15L ILS and he just blew through it, then he would be going thru the 15R final. Not sure how Boston works there traffic but if they do simultaneous parallel approaches then that could be disastrous.
@Brettdyt3 жыл бұрын
ATC: "Climb and maintain one zero ten-thousand" Pilot: "Roger climbing and maintaining 100,000 feet"
@EwingTaiwan3 жыл бұрын
Going space shuttle status
@StrokeMahEgo3 жыл бұрын
Roger, contacting Nasa Houston on departure, g'day
@thewizzlerishere3 жыл бұрын
Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, PSFBL.
@DaddyBeanDaddyBean3 жыл бұрын
Possible astronaut deviation, I have NASA's number for you to call whenever you're ready. Cancel ILS clearance, do you want ISS clearance instead?
@Boss_Tanaka3 жыл бұрын
Lol you guys are funny 😂🤣🤣
@androidphone19013 жыл бұрын
Dang the video was only 3 minutes in when they said possible pilot deviation there was still 8 1/2min left to go!
@cojawfee3 жыл бұрын
lol by the time the video was over, I had completely forgotten they had a number to call
@AAAskeet3 жыл бұрын
Im sure they did too
@CameTo3 жыл бұрын
When a pilot, whatever the reason may be, is already struggling to follow basic ATC instructions half way down the STAR, I don't think it's helpful to add the "possibly deviations, here's a number" type message, it just adds to a situation that's clearly overwhelming enough. Pass on a message, say like the guy ignored the number to call, and get it followed up that way. The priority here was getting him down, and the other aircrafts, without a mid air. The second terminal approach controller played it really well, I get something was amiss here with his skills or his English or something else like lack of oxygen, that's easy more hanging fruit, you gotta think in more directions
@briansmyla86963 жыл бұрын
@@CameTo The whole incident happened because the controllers didn't use standard phraseology when communicating with the pilot, and they were speaking too quickly and clipping their words. If I was that pilot, I'd have been happy to copy and call that number. After I was on the ground. I sincerely hope that one or more of those controllers got a deal over that.
@kaasmeester59033 жыл бұрын
@@cojawfee By the time the video was over, they had 6 numbers to call...
@N1120A3 жыл бұрын
The controller has the patience of a saint.
@MomedicsChannel3 жыл бұрын
They don’t have much of a choice. Sketchiest week to be flying.
@briansmyla86963 жыл бұрын
Those controllers wouldn't have had any problems with the pilots if they'd used standard phraseology as they're trained to do. Controllers deviated from their training, and it caused problems for them. Fortunately, they realized their mistake and toed the line to get that plane on the ground safely.
@boringperson-zb8vy3 жыл бұрын
@@1450JackCade Absolutely. Emotion-driven decision making rather than an informed/logical one is all-too-common lately.
@jdailey6243 жыл бұрын
@FitManFatty I think approach was upset because he verified descending on the correct track twice with Center and once with approach and then descended on the wrong one. Thus resulting in lateral and vertical deviations in a busy airspace. But some people have more access to the full story then what is presented here. Also, the timeline seems skewed as the transmissions were not that rapid in the full tape since they are missing some time stamps. You can't fly into core 30 airports in the US and not have a very solid grasp of English. It adds risk for all users of the system and is dangerous.
@FlyingFerris3 жыл бұрын
@FitManFatty it would have also helped if the pilots onboard FBL had a shred of competence. They blew an altitude on the STAR and then blew through the LOC on a low threat VMC day. Since they could barely control the aircraft with no malfunctions, day VMC, where do you think the situation ends with the low level of airmanship displayed by the pilots when they’re single engine IMC? Most likely it ends in a smoking hole regardless if the controllers got frustrated with them or not.
@CharlesCornettFL3 жыл бұрын
As a retired air traffic controller, I have always felt the "I have a phone number for you to call" BS to be apalling. It is usually following an already stressful situation, and sometimes (like this one) before landing. Now we throw in confusion with someone to whom English is clearly a second language. IMHO, it is nothing more than a "you're in trouble, and I'm going to tell Mom" moment. It might have been important in 1980, but we have ways of reaching each other these days that don't involved adding at least 60 seconds of additional stress over the radio. Not the controller's fault (the speech, but the stress is), but instead a policy of the FAA. Gotta show them who's boss.
@klebercontini49163 жыл бұрын
Human being has finally shown here. Congrats!
@contrails623 жыл бұрын
I agree. Last thing this guy needed was another distraction. The controller should have realized the pilot was losing Situational Awareness and just waited until after close to parking
@markg.42463 жыл бұрын
Totally agree sir!
@othername10003 жыл бұрын
Yep. Get him on the ground safely. Then keep him there, pending results of cognitive, language, and drug testing.
@vtrmcs3 жыл бұрын
If you're flying into foreign airspace, surely there should be a requirement for you to be entirely fluent in the local language?
@Dinngg02 жыл бұрын
ATC: turn right 5 degrees Pilot: I don't do math
@mortekaieve47298 ай бұрын
"Landing gear disagreement" = we forgot to lower the landing gear. This guy boosts my confidence through the roof lol.
@jobsgarage3 жыл бұрын
9:00... am I the only one thinking the "disagreement" actually ended up with the first flying pilot laying unconscious on the floor?
@bluesioux95383 жыл бұрын
lol that's a funny image
@luizconte8383 жыл бұрын
You re not al1
@toadamine3 жыл бұрын
I was about to say, it sounded like a different person after the radio break, and suddenly no issues following directions or communicating.... Lmao
@wood42shed3 жыл бұрын
Landing gear issue. Solved now we stuffed that first guy down into the wheel well.
@gotacallfromvishal3 жыл бұрын
you are the only one because you didn't hear him talk @11:25
@timi78443 жыл бұрын
Amazing how one bad pilot affects the other in its vicinity. This guy gives everyone involved a bad day.
@Cissy2cute3 жыл бұрын
And a headache.
@sholgatenj13 жыл бұрын
that’s why I don’t think it’s funny
@foxiedogitchypaws71413 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the people down below knew
@johnwild7573 жыл бұрын
What if both pilots were not brand new and just experienced hypoxia or should we always scrutinize first even though they might of needed help.
@dew91032 жыл бұрын
@@johnwild757 I mean they were at 13000 and descending, and his english didn't get any better after he got down to 6
@happycanayjian15823 жыл бұрын
In an instance such as this, I find it’s best to just get him on the ground, and then get the tower to give him the phone number. The pilot sounds way behind the airplane as it is. Last thing you need to have is a laborious back and forth exchange on frequency giving the idiot a phone number….
@Browhoisyou3 жыл бұрын
@@Twent25 hes an idiot for not understanding then going to BOSTON
@warboyrb3 жыл бұрын
I'm with you, giving him the number to call is not ideal. Poor fella was struggling as it is.
@michaelbeattie81063 жыл бұрын
@@warboyrb He should not be flying into a busy airport without understanding the language. Great to hear Cape Air!!!
@flowablesysadmin80682 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more
@KaiTakApproach2 жыл бұрын
This was my reaction too. The pilot was obviously new to IFR or type and the first controller decided to hit him with a stick when he realized it. That's unprofessional and just as stupid as the pilot was acting. Fortunately someone at ATC with a cooler head prevailed and did what was necessary to get this flight down safely. This is a good real life example of how to recover from the chain of errors, on the ATC side, and I applaud whoever caught it in time and stopped the bleeding.
@RGB060843 жыл бұрын
That pilot is an accident waiting to happen!
@garyderipaska6753 жыл бұрын
So so true , spot on
@cynthiaq10733 жыл бұрын
The pilot sounded so lackadaisical. Did he not understand the instructions???
@sapede3 жыл бұрын
Hypoxia, overworked, long time no sleep...?
@blackwidow84123 жыл бұрын
@@sapede I was wondering if he just learned English. He also sounds out of it, so maybe overworked.
@haramanggapuja3 жыл бұрын
@@blackwidow8412 Yep. I kept thinking "ESL problem."
@jimkirkendall2483 Жыл бұрын
This helps alleviate any doubt I had about my ability to earn my IFR. If this guy can do so, surely I can.
@restojon13 жыл бұрын
This was utterly terrifying, those controllers earned their wages that day. That second pilot also saved that aircraft (and possibly the others around them too). Scary, just damn scary.
@MasterClassComments3 жыл бұрын
It is scary bc they didn’t sound confident whatsoever with any of the read backs yet they were flying a freaking Phenon 300.. 1st pilot seemed older (more experience?) yet sounded least confident & copilot seemed younger (less experience?) yet sounded more confident! Who knows. I sound like a little biatchhh on the radio too 😂
@briansmyla86963 жыл бұрын
The controller wasn't using standard phraseology.
@carbon12553 жыл бұрын
I'd fire the first ATC. He started immediately shouting at the aircraft, telling them off, and refused to use standard language as he clearly wanted them to make more errors due to his anger. When he was angry his accent was very strong also, speaking as a non-American. The Second ATC that yeeted the first saved the situation. The First ATC essentially incapacitated the first pilot.
@gilbertfranklin15373 жыл бұрын
You are correct, when the other pilot took over the communication became much clearer and responsive. The first pilot was not understanding his instructions nor was he responding properly. There was something going on with that crew - apparently related to a disagreement about the landing gear. First guy sounded like he was half asleep.
@agrofindastation2 жыл бұрын
@Carbon 12 wow, you definitely watched a different video than I did. Where is the "telling them off" portion?
@coma137943 жыл бұрын
the pilot working the radio initially was barely ICAO English proficient. He can readback headings, altitudes and approach clearances....but not much else. ATC in the US often includes a lot of extra verbage, he was absolutely lost. Controllers often take a while to realize this, or don't realize it at all, including more and more detail/verbage in instructions. It doesn't yield the outcome they would like. They blew through the localizer and failed to hear a significant number of radio calls after a vertical deviation during the arrival. They're lucky the airspace wasn't more saturated or it could've been significantly worse. I have to concur with other comments, the guy who did most of the talking (until the other took over) was more or less a menace to aviation, at least with regards to US airspace.
@jimblack51533 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of talking to tech support in India. "What?...say again.....Do you have anybody there who speaks English?"
@dfuher9683 жыл бұрын
If that guy fulfills the international aviation requirements for "proficient" English in communications, then "proficient" definitely needs an update.
@Prifly703 жыл бұрын
Spot on.
@varunkumar17243 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Extra verbage isn't ICAO RT phraseology either. I still don't get how the controllers there don't recognise this as an issue but more like a swag. The pilot is definitely going to face an issue or lose his license. But the controllers there just can't keep things standard
@klebercontini49163 жыл бұрын
@@varunkumar1724 Indeed, if the standard phraseology is kept all the time, it helps a lot to avoid a misunderstandings.
@pianosign3 жыл бұрын
this makes me so deeply appreciate the efficiency and articulateness of pilots and ATC on basically all the other videos on this channel
@val0583 жыл бұрын
you can say that again!
@lobsterbark2 жыл бұрын
@@anonymousaardvarkinnigeria8721 Atc communication is very standardized so your brain always knows what to expect. You only have to decode a word or two and a number each transmission.
@jimsmith18563 жыл бұрын
I wanna fly on Southwest 224 he knows what time it is.
@gordo11633 жыл бұрын
It's probably ex military guys flying. I think there's a lot of them at southwest.
@dalegreer30953 жыл бұрын
Sounds like father and son. After Jr took over things went much smoother.
@vk2ig3 жыл бұрын
Anakin and Luke ... trying to Jedi mind-trick the controller in not giving out the Phone Number.
@paulrigas3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't handle listening to the whole transmission. It was painful.
@martintheiss40383 жыл бұрын
I am not a GA but it sounds like you have no idea what was going on and since he never yelled at the ATCs i am sure he had no idea what he was doing.
@Studio23Media3 жыл бұрын
@@martintheiss4038 I understand aviation enough to know what was going on and this was painful. That guy is dangerous.
@herrpausr70083 жыл бұрын
@Paul Thankfully the Boston controllers did.
@radbcc3 жыл бұрын
exactly
@JimWhitaker3 жыл бұрын
Get him on the ground; take the keys away.
@foxiedogitchypaws71413 жыл бұрын
Take the engion out, and take the tires off ASAP
@anthonyalexandermain3 жыл бұрын
Noooo don't do anything to the plane its not its fault take the license from this fool🤣
@boringperson-zb8vy3 жыл бұрын
@@foxiedogitchypaws7141 I'll have the headset pls. And the aviators if he has a pair :D
@buzzman48603 жыл бұрын
There were 2 pilots. The 2nd had to take over
@Hugothester3 жыл бұрын
I feel for him, I felt the same way when flying VATSIM for the first time hahaha
@maxmustermann1943 жыл бұрын
true dat, can't believe this is happening IRL.
@talkymocha99943 жыл бұрын
LOL SAME
@ernestomesa76123 жыл бұрын
Jajajaja todos hemos pasado por eso. En mi caso en IVAO en un Barajas lleno y un controlador con más paciencia q nadie. Que tiempos aquellos
@mateuszkonopka7103 жыл бұрын
exactly!
@edy29803 жыл бұрын
True 😂
@DustyCircuits3363 жыл бұрын
The pilots have stopped responding to the system. - Press ESC to cancel and return to directing other traffic. - Press ENTER to get the other one on the radio. - Press CTRL + ALT + DEL to restart your pilots. You may lose any unsaved readbacks.
@tylerchambliss83792 жыл бұрын
You're awesome dude.
@abelmabale63852 жыл бұрын
Alt+F4...? 🤪
@NitroDubzzz2 жыл бұрын
Way to show your age
@Iam_Dunn Жыл бұрын
Anytime a controller asks me "how do I hear", I respond with "my ears, how do you hear" ?? I have to make a lot of phone calls for some reason.... LOL :)
@nickgresla2343 жыл бұрын
Not surprised by how the controller reacted, the Boston approach controllers are really good, I haven’t had a bad experience with these guys so yea praise the controller
@rigatoniman23 жыл бұрын
ATC: Say speed PSFBL: Okay, speed.
@twoleftnuts3 жыл бұрын
As a controller I can honestly say I’ve been waiting for the day this happens to me. I don’t know how I’d react, but I know it’d be funny
@rubenvillanueva86353 жыл бұрын
@@twoleftnuts - Where are you based?, fellow Atcer.
@twoleftnuts3 жыл бұрын
@@rubenvillanueva8635 NE of the US, you?
@rubenvillanueva86353 жыл бұрын
@@twoleftnuts Retired now and reside in Spain. Worked in the middle East, and Far East. Have an FAA friend now working Bahrain.
@johhnyytwotime5103 жыл бұрын
@@twoleftnuts you’d react by giving him a number to call once he lands I’m sure?
@FelipeCocco3 жыл бұрын
As a Brazilian, I’ve often been shocked at how poor Brazilian pilots are on radio - this includes within Brazil in Portuguese. I’ve flown with quite a few guys on the right seat and more often than not it really stood out to me.
@marcelodacosta80903 жыл бұрын
Me 2!!!!!! Jetinho brasileiro. Kkkkkk
@PetrolHeadBrasil3 жыл бұрын
Só passamos vergonha, é impressionante! Já vi muito Cmte "macaco velho" que se recusa a falar um inglês minimamente decente!
3 жыл бұрын
Sim, mas como foi dito num comentário anterior, se a fraseologia dos controladores fosse a padrão, teria ajudado muito. Só quando veio o outro controlador é que melhorou
@vortex-lr313 жыл бұрын
@@Fabiano_Oliveira if you are intended to fly in the USA we presume you are able to communicate in english. :)
@chriscosta-zueiras9903 жыл бұрын
Eu passei aperto lá tbm em 96. Geralmente grandes aeroportos são f....
@JustDiane712 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine finding out you were on that plane! Amazing how everyone ELSE stays professional, clear headed and speaking clearly. My hats off to all involved in the daily workings of airport.
@BlueSkyUp_EU Жыл бұрын
Doesn't seem to be a commercial flight. He's probably flying a small private plane.
@duckhoward3 жыл бұрын
If I were an air traffic controller I don't know what would worry me more, a pilot not hearing me or a pilot ignoring me
@alex21433 жыл бұрын
A competent pilot with a broken radio sounds safer than a pilot who appears to ignore you or misunderstand you half of the time. If he has a broken radio, just move all other traffic out of his way until he's on the ground (assuming that's how it works at least). If it's not the radio but the pilot himself who has communication issues, basically you don't know what to expect. It's basically layers upon layers of uncertainty. Is he having a medical emergency? Radio issue? Uncertainty? Impaired? Is his airplane compromised? Do I need to get other traffic away from him? Communication is so vitally important, if it doesn't work properly that's a very big issue.
@garett28923 жыл бұрын
Both are bad lol
@lolpaladins3 жыл бұрын
@@alex2143 Hence the "ARE YOU ALRIGHT" I thought the first pilot sounded sleepy/drugged and/or hypoxic.
@aaronsuever24143 жыл бұрын
100% one that's not talking to you. The general rule of aviation is aviate, navigate, communicate. So if the radio suddenly goes quiet it's usually because the pilot is so task loaded just keeping the plane in the air they can't talk. Which is concerning at a minimum. You have to wonder how many of these poor ATC dudes have either seen themselves or been present when someone goes silent and suddenly their blip disappears from the radar.
@carbon12553 жыл бұрын
@@aaronsuever2414 I'm sure that first ATC drives over, screams at them, and tells their firey corpses to copy down a number.
@Calatinus3 жыл бұрын
"We had a landing gear disagreement. You see, this guy next to me thought that lever up meant gear down. But now it's all okay."
@Seventh7Art3 жыл бұрын
"what do you mean I have to intercept a localizer? And what is a glideslope anyway? Roger?" LOL
@martintheiss40383 жыл бұрын
sounds like you have a death wish being near a major regional airport.
@Scott_Diverscott3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like they switched pilots on the radio calls. The 2nd half was pretty coherent.
@aeternusdoleo45313 жыл бұрын
That or it's a case of hypoxia that cleared once this guy descended...
@pederb823 жыл бұрын
It sounded like his kid stepped up and took over the radio. Did a better job at communication and actually asked ahead what was the next stage after the current stated by the controller.
@lastdance20993 жыл бұрын
"Duuuude, where's my localizer?"
@Haywood-Jablomie3 жыл бұрын
"And then ???"
@lenmetallica3 жыл бұрын
Where's your localizer, dude?
@sydbarrett45183 жыл бұрын
" see ya"...
@Haywood-Jablomie3 жыл бұрын
"And THEN !!??? .... "
@vladdybaby77633 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@paulhendershott6672 жыл бұрын
Holy Heck! I've never even heard a student pilot have this level of confusion! Well done to the controllers.... love to hear that there was some level of re-training involved unless there was another underlying problem. I don't really buy the "landing gear" issue that the one pilot threw out there.... Left to his own devices I think he would landed in Heathrow thinking that he was in landing in Jackson Hole 😄😄
@charlesreid93372 жыл бұрын
sounded to me like the 1st pilot wasnt competant.. second pilot.. probably captain lost his shit when they got a number and took over
@steeltiger50003 жыл бұрын
wow... sounds like re-training is needed.
@suzannehartmann9463 жыл бұрын
AT LEAST would not even say his own plane designation same way twice in a row.
@sqvisionnl3 жыл бұрын
Give the man XP11, the Aerobask Phenom 300 and let him do the I-Ratings on Pilotedge and he will do much better :-).
@atcJ3 жыл бұрын
Probably just language training
@cynthiaq10733 жыл бұрын
It is called “remediation training” or get grounded!
@prancer18033 жыл бұрын
This is not a training issue. Clearly he hasn’t had any training or isn’t actually a certificated pilot. Not uncommon in South America
@msacha893 жыл бұрын
One thing to remember, avoid asking pilot for information and giving instructions in one transmission. Especially when dealing with a possible pilot deviation
@TheBDD1970 Жыл бұрын
Not sure if the language barrier is what overloaded that first pilot but it seemed like he was overloaded big time and could not process any information. Glad this worked out.
@besiktasim813 жыл бұрын
I really want to know the reason for this mess... Cant be his first flight
@kurttappe3 жыл бұрын
My take is it was the first officer flying, but after he screwed up multiple times the pilot took over. Thus the change in voices halfway thru the video. Sounds like he might remain a first officer for a while.
@marceloluizfigueira72083 жыл бұрын
@@kurttappe Clearly the second guy was the FO, much younger voice. It happens a lot in Brazil. Very "experienced" captains (not necessarily qualified or competent) eventually call for a younger and unexperienced F/O that speaks a bit more english. The result? You just saw.
@BigLittlePilot3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. What makes you think it's the FO?
@Ih8liarsandusers3 жыл бұрын
@@tonythreepies9272 how do you know it wasn't the FO flying? FO makes landings a good portion of the time
@BigLittlePilot3 жыл бұрын
@@tonythreepies9272 Yea you are right. I guess I felt attacked :D
@EG-06113 жыл бұрын
If I hear this transmission out of blue I would believe that this is VATSIM or IVAO and he is a newbie pilot.
@prancer18033 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@ljfinger3 жыл бұрын
Task saturation? Technical combined with language maybe?
@martintheiss40383 жыл бұрын
I think he was just absolutely clueless about things especially about not expressing disgust when asked for the phone number. I know its not the KBOS concessions stand.
@ljfinger3 жыл бұрын
@@martintheiss4038 I don't see how you could be that clueless and at the same time hold the necessary ratings to captain that aircraft. What is that...multi-engine, jet, instrument, commercial?
@martintheiss40383 жыл бұрын
@@ljfinger I don't think he should have a US entry license after this. Not yelling back at the ATC after being asked for the number is telling.
@prancer18033 жыл бұрын
@@ljfinger in South America sometimes… there is no certificate. Literally they don’t get a certificate they just go fly. Or they just get really basic training in a simulator and one or two flights and that’s it. Some company will ‘pay’ them (with who knows what’s onboard) give them a sim to practice with and off they go. This is most likely an example of that. What do you think the odds are… that the pilot actually called the ATC phone number?
@lmb5529bml3 жыл бұрын
Just Brazilian. Most pilots over 40 years old have awful English.
@geoben18103 жыл бұрын
I was getting worried....like expecting to hear that the is off the screen. Very professional ATC. VERY professional. 👍
@judymotto73383 жыл бұрын
Sounds like my neighbor after few cocktails trying to make it across street to her driveway and ended up deviating in the ditch...🤦♀️
@JansViews3 жыл бұрын
😂 😆 😂
@davidhandyman757111 ай бұрын
That controller was so patient and did an excellent job. I think he might have had a sigh of relief when he handed the pilot off to approach.
@canadagood3 жыл бұрын
This was sooo exciting! I didn't know if they would make it until the final few seconds!
@jonascastejon58882 жыл бұрын
Damn, that's morbid! 😂
@adamp84632 жыл бұрын
Thank you to all ATC controllers who guided him. Wow…this guy must be serious when flying an airplane.
@ModernClassic3 жыл бұрын
This is one of those videos where you instinctively shut your eyes really tight halfway through it because you can't bear to see what happens next. Then you remember it's audio and that doesn't work.
@xXivanhornetXx3 жыл бұрын
for those who were wondering the type of aircraft, it´s an Embraer Phenom 300
@Babunok07193 жыл бұрын
Thanks!:)
@MSRTA_Productions3 жыл бұрын
*300 not 500
@xXivanhornetXx3 жыл бұрын
@@MSRTA_Productions corrected, thanks!
@phapnui3 жыл бұрын
I'd be worried if they were in a Cessna 150, with that model the worry factor takes a quantum leap.
@EvanBear3 жыл бұрын
Gee this is a jet. I expected this to be a new pilot in a cessna or something.
@davidwebb49043 жыл бұрын
“Capturing the Glideslope, maintain 3000’… of course…..
@thierryg733 жыл бұрын
The language it is a barrier but no excuses.
@Boss_Tanaka3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it s a 0 degree glideslope
@davidwebb49043 жыл бұрын
@@Boss_Tanaka or the airport is at 3000' elevation
@TiagoSeiler3 жыл бұрын
Can't speak to controllers in English, don't fly in English-controlled airspace, it's just putting everyone at risk.
@Zestocalypse3 жыл бұрын
@@TiagoSeiler English is the international language of aviation.
@jacobnyhart68623 жыл бұрын
The controller probably should've waited to spring the "Possible Pilot Deviation" news on that pilot until after he was on the ground. That crew had no CRM at all and that pilot certainly didn't need another distraction - especially one that could lead to him losing his license.
@feartheduck66643 жыл бұрын
Atc guy is racist, simple.
@standartenfuhrerhanslanda3433 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree. No reason to stress out foreign pilot while he’s flying through busy airspace.
@lobsterbark2 жыл бұрын
@YOYO MA Don't spend your time worrying about blame, worry about how to make the situation better. The ATC could have handled this better. It's 100% the pilots fault, but some confusion could have been avoided had the ATC handled this slightly differently.
@marcel14163 жыл бұрын
Is that VATSIM? Geez... Sounds like everyday business over here at VATSIM :D EDIT: At 4:20 it sounds like another controller takes over (or the freq. change has been cut out). That controller was probably like "hey, can somebody else try to work with that guy here? I need a smoke... (no pun intended :D)
@dovahseod3 жыл бұрын
freq change seems to be cut out since FBL reported their altitude and heading to the controller.
@billyman6233 жыл бұрын
I signed up but thats why im afraid to join lol
@marcel14163 жыл бұрын
@@dovahseod Well I wouldn't trust that logic with that particular "pilot". He had a tendency to report things the controller didn't want to hear and leave out the things he needed to have read back.
@rozanoff61753 жыл бұрын
When you hear the pilot’s voice, you may wonder if he didn’t have a cabin decompression… 😂 !
@paulstelian972 жыл бұрын
Fr
@kneel12 жыл бұрын
i was thinking the same. he seems way too confused for the type of airplane he is flying
@randomperson1303 жыл бұрын
Sounds like me the first time I flew with Vatsim on MSFS
@Pilotm11213 жыл бұрын
Same lol
@alton43573 жыл бұрын
Lol
@dietzold3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to say these guys are brazilians…ICAO 4 on their license, but in reality, maybe 1 or 2….not ready to fly on busy airspace in the US. My apologies to Boston APP controllers.
@dashford063 жыл бұрын
On Flight Aware you can see this airplane flying all over Brazil to some pretty busy, large airports. Hopefully with a new crew...
@triplosete7013 жыл бұрын
@@dashford06 In Brazil, they speak Portuguese on the frequency, which is no problem for them. No one doubts their ability to fly an airplane, but their capacity to operate in English-speaking airspace and comply with ATC instructions.
@chrmantilla3 жыл бұрын
If I did not know English I would think "wow, this pilot sounds very relaxed, you can tell he knows what he is doing"
@challenger2ultralightadventure3 жыл бұрын
"Landing Gear Issue" How much you wanna bet the the gear issue was the operator in charge of the landing gear...aka "pilot". He sounded like he was in a daze and confused state. I think another pilot took over, after some tense negotiating in the cockpit took place.
@lockergr3 жыл бұрын
I could definitely see that having transpired.
@cshader24883 жыл бұрын
Panic attack…
@imaPangolin3 жыл бұрын
No he had gear disagree.
@cshader24883 жыл бұрын
@@imaPangolin I hate it when I get gear disagree.
@carbon12553 жыл бұрын
@@cshader2488 I'm not surprised with the ATC shouting at him like that. Forced errors at that point.
@wileymarm0t3 жыл бұрын
Hypoxia was my first thought given the slow response but it continued through to the landing. Perhaps stroke, intoxicated or excessively tired?
@gumball200003 жыл бұрын
Slow responses are also a sign of poor language skills, which is more likely.
@gordo11633 жыл бұрын
They are simply not good at english.
@VisibilityFoggy3 жыл бұрын
All four...
3 жыл бұрын
I also thought something running on that cockpit, like a possible hijack (the one on the command not being a commercial pilot, but a hijacker). Sometimes people should go beyond the words.
@wimeatsworld3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love this pilot. Combining sightseeing with burning off extra fuel as to not overbear the landing gear.
@rydawg76293 жыл бұрын
“We don’t speak English, so let’s make sure we have the longest, dumbest possible call sign”
@banjo20193 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@michelmata3 жыл бұрын
Brazilian call signs are all 5 letters starting with P.
@stewiepid43853 жыл бұрын
Laughed too hard at this one! WIN ^^^^
@thomasdalton15083 жыл бұрын
They are using their tail number as a callsign. That is standard practice.
@gasdive3 жыл бұрын
Most call signs are a two letter country and a three letter registration. The US as usual, decided to be different. The plane I did my first flights on was VH-IMV. Since almost everyone in the country has VH (Australia) calls were "India Mike Victor". The fact that he randomly added his country code and randomly left out the last three letters, makes me think hypoxia. It should be second nature to call himself by the three letters. To get that muddled shows impairment rather than lack of training.
@dalictus3 жыл бұрын
I’m curious how the taxiing went.
@Boss_Tanaka3 жыл бұрын
They gave him vectors on the ground
@jaredf19883 жыл бұрын
Got off on taxiway golf, went left onto charlie and just followed it straight into to Boston Harbor... Probably
@speedyretreat3 жыл бұрын
We'll let you know, he's still taxiing.
@gslidevideotester85923 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or was the controller somewhat early in asking for number to copy when the pilot was clearly struggling to follow instructions? Won't waiting till after landing be much safer?
@Xxxxxx19-p1c3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!!
@robertmog43363 жыл бұрын
Yeah this pilot was already having issues. Get him on the ground and get him the number to call.
@12345fowler3 жыл бұрын
Well the controller has to mention it to him before he passes him to the next sector.
@robertmog43363 жыл бұрын
@@12345fowler That makes a lot of sense-thanks! I guess he couldn't pass the possible pilot deviation to ground? It just seemed like this pilot was overwhelmed for SOME reason, possibly a poor one, and safety would have trumped the deviation phone call? But I'm completely ignorant of the rules, so my apologies in advance.
@teelo120003 жыл бұрын
I was thinking... the pilot is Brazillian he aint going to give a shit about sanctions in USA. His company will just make sure he doesn't fly there again.
@MultiWarbird3 жыл бұрын
Any data or news on what happened? The pilot talking with ATC changed halfway through the video. Was the pilot suffering health issues? Seems like the copilot stepped in.
@chrisschack97163 жыл бұрын
Just a guess, but that might have been due to the gear disagree ... PF would take comms while PM ran checklists.
@kurttappe3 жыл бұрын
Or the other way around; FO could have been flying and got relieved by the pilot after the screwups.
@prancer18033 жыл бұрын
@@marceloluizfigueira7208 no that’s not what happened here.
@prancer18033 жыл бұрын
@@chrisschack9716 there was no gear disagree. They probably didn’t know how to operate the gear lever.
@marceloluizfigueira72083 жыл бұрын
@@prancer1803 What's your guess? I'm all ears.
@billmoran38123 жыл бұрын
I think the controller was extremely patient with him. I know Boston Approach really well, I expected them to vector him out of their airspace. No excuse for such incompetence at a major airport.
@arthurbrumagem38443 жыл бұрын
When I was a new pilot I flew from mn to the Boston area. Boston approach was nothing short of awesome helping me navigate the area VFR.
@ireumiobseum3 жыл бұрын
As a vatsim controller of 7 years, this guy is doing a spot on impression of a newbie vatsim pilot 😂
@BokeFlyingSimulations3 жыл бұрын
As an IVAO CTR controller for 5 years, I can agree this is over 30% of the population in existence flying right now :)
@GamespikeTV2 жыл бұрын
sometimes i get noobed and i dont know im doing, even tho i been flying on vatsim for 7 years
@tuanismancr28932 жыл бұрын
As an infinite flight controller I have no idea what you are talking about xb
@tylerchambliss83792 жыл бұрын
Lol, Sounds like someone just installed MSFS and decided to try vatsim.
@tylerchambliss83792 жыл бұрын
Lol, Sounds like someone just installed MSFS and decided to try vatsim.
@robertg53933 жыл бұрын
This was SOO painful to watch. Well done by the KBOS Approach controllers.
@Prifly703 жыл бұрын
Same here, funny at first...even ATC was holding back laughs....then the reality of the situation hits and the nail biting begins.
@TheBosphorusbridge Жыл бұрын
If you think this is painful try to have them as your colleagues
@joeg54143 жыл бұрын
Giving him a phone number when he's already confused seems like a bad idea
@jimbomac553 жыл бұрын
Agree- bad timing- obviously a major language barrier with this pilot
@chrissede22703 жыл бұрын
@@jimbomac55 there is more than a language barrier, the pilot can’t fly a published STAR. The pilot needs his license revoked.
@jimbomac553 жыл бұрын
@@chrissede2270 u got that right- I was scared about him being anywhere near to that SWA filled with 190 or so innocent passengers
@cesarioj.f.g.79593 жыл бұрын
Pilot confused, nervous, after this a landing gear issue, a language barrier....and after this saying *PPD* with a phone number its like going to see a psychologist to get some help and the guy says "dont give a damn about you"...at least wait to make a safe landing and give that bloody number on the ground freq. A great mistake from the ATC, that could lead to an accident...its true the pilots have a bloody english, but the ATC with that PPD and Phone number was below helpful and professional.
@chrissede22703 жыл бұрын
@@cesarioj.f.g.7959 Like I said before, he can’t even fly the published STAR. Most aircraft will fly them for you. Back in the day you had to hand fly the procedure. ATC shouldn’t even need to talk to you until you are closer to the airport when you are on the procedure. I would say it’s written in black and white but most aircraft now are equipped with electronics that display it so maybe blue and white would be more appropriate. The pilot pure and simple is a danger to everybody else in the sky. Haven’t even mentioned how he just randomly goes through the final for the ILS. Gear issue or not which doesn’t explain the beginning with him descending prematurely since you aren’t messing with the gear yet and the phone number still hadn’t been issued yet. you can’t just randomly fly where you want and especially not in a busy airspace like Boston. That is how midair’s happen. So if you want to defend a crap pilot you go right on ahead but he will get somebody killed eventually.
@BobMellor19543 жыл бұрын
I love flying and trust the pilots I fly with, but not with this guy
@nates.45523 жыл бұрын
It was sketchy enough and then a whole other person started working the radio and it got slightly better. They need to take a break from flying.
@WilburLin3 жыл бұрын
Looks like it has a private owner, perhaps two corporate pilots flying. My wild guess is that it was a lower hours FO handling comms, they had some issues that they were busy sorting out, plus the language barrier not making things easier for them. But after seeing his FO ignoring or misunderstanding the canceled clearance, CA who’s now free from having fixed their issue, took over comms and had a generally uneventful approach. The second guy was still missing some read backs but sounded much calmer and much more professional and seemed to have things under control.
@nates.45523 жыл бұрын
@@WilburLin you pretty much summed it all up. Idk if I would want my private jet piloted by these pilots
@marceloluizfigueira72083 жыл бұрын
@@WilburLin Clearly the second guy was the FO, much younger voice. It happens a lot in Brazil. Very "experienced" captains (not necessarily qualified or competent) eventually call for a younger and unexperienced F/O that speaks a bit more english. The result? You just saw.
@thespaundrummer11763 жыл бұрын
@@WilburLin Single pilot aircraft.
@thespaundrummer11763 жыл бұрын
@@nates.4552 Why do you think there was more than one pilot in the cockpit?
@statusseeker113 жыл бұрын
Boston controllers had a great amount of patience with these pilots. However, whenever they went off script and said non standard phraseology it through the foreign pilots for a loop. As soon as they realize these guys are dangerous they should be trained to just give bare minimum, standard phraseology clearances and get them on the ground.
@briansmyla86963 жыл бұрын
Bare minimum standard phraseology is written into the FARs for a reason. Deviation from that is when problems occur. This video is evidence of that. Complacency kills. Fortunately, these pilots were able to dodge the bullet.
@vk2ig3 жыл бұрын
@@briansmyla8696 Teneriffe air disaster is an example of what happens when phraseology is not consistent. I believe one of the recommendations from the accident investigation was the worldwide use of standard phraseology.
@briansmyla86963 жыл бұрын
@@vk2ig IIRC, the Tenerife incident was heavily weighted towards CRM problems. The FO could have and should have shut everything down just after the PF pushed the throttles up. He voiced his concerns, but didn't have the balls to actually do it because he knew that the company wouldn't back him up if he happened to be wrong. The FO knew they shouldn't be rolling, despite the fact that standard phraseology wasn't used.
@vk2ig3 жыл бұрын
@@briansmyla8696 Like many accidents (air transport and others), there were multiple factors at work in the Tenerife disaster: CRM, phraseology, diversions, time of year, weather, etc.
@FlyingFerris3 жыл бұрын
I love all the controller blame that goes around on this channel. The wheels on this wagon did not start to fall off because of non standard phraseology. It went to shit when the pilot could not competently fly the STAR into Boston. It was not the controllers that were the undoing of this situation it was the complete incompetence of PSFBL pilots that placed everyone in the air and underneath them in the Boston in danger. When you have a type rating the controllers are assuming a standard of competency in operating the aircraft you are operating which was not demonstrated by the two idiots on the flight deck of that aircraft. The controllers job is to separate you from traffic during all phases of flight and to render assistance to emergency aircraft. They are not there to spoon feed you on how to operate your aircraft in any given situation nor are the controllers expected to give dual when, for example FBL’s PIC, decides to fly the aircraft into a situation the PIC is not equipped to handle. In this case an IFR flight with a STAR(failed to execute correctly,) to an ILS(which they also failed to execute correctly,) so when this level of incompetence in basic IFR operation is demonstrated by the PIC and crew of FBL the brain trust around here goes “obviously the controllers fault.” Common folks and get a clue.
@jackrabbit65152 жыл бұрын
CRM in that cockpit was excellent. Unlike so many other flights I've heard where the Captain is incompetent and the FC just sits there chewing his nails, clearly the FC in this one took control. That Captain would never have gotten that plane on the ground in one piece!
@prorobo Жыл бұрын
Not sure what video you watched, but that was not the case here at all. The incompetent guy talking on the radio should have been eliminated from the operation altogether if there was another pilot in the cockpit. Their inability to climb and maintain 10,000 after being instructed multiple times shows there wasn’t any competent pilot in that cockpit and it’s a miracle they didn’t end up a smoking hole in the ground.
@yellowrose0910 Жыл бұрын
@@prorobo At first I thought maybe the pilot was hypoxic and was glad they got him down to 10000'. Then maybe drugs or medical (stroke? hypoglycemic?). Then when the other pilot came on I pictured: "Bob! Bob! *What* are you *doing*?! I asked you to sit here and do nothing for a minute while I took a dump! What the *hell*, Bob?!"
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80433 жыл бұрын
Was he task-saturated? A low-time pilot? Maybe a communication barrier? Sluggish speech too; may indicate a number of things. I get that he had a landing gear issue, but I’m a little worried about this pilot. I think he was just super-focused on that issue, but could have been at his - and other pilots in the area - peril.
@artlaudenslager31023 жыл бұрын
Sluggish speech = not a native or fluent English speaker and has to think through the translation from/to Portuguese while speaking or listening.
@GBOAC3 жыл бұрын
@@artlaudenslager3102 the incident with the Las Vegas controller having a stroke also resulted in this kind of conversation. I wouldn't necessarily assume a sluggish speech is a language barrier issue.
@marcelodacosta80903 жыл бұрын
No inglise....Me No pick inglise!!!
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80433 жыл бұрын
@@GBOAC • That’s true; only a suggestion as to a myriad of possibilities.
@carbon12553 жыл бұрын
The important thing is it doesn't MATTER. The ATC should have treated it as such, instead of shouting and berating.
@quiteactually3 жыл бұрын
So much for English proficient. I flew the ROBUC3 a couple of months ago, several speed restrictions on it, with the approach controller asking our speed on three separate occasions. The third time I just said "published".
@BLACKMONGOOSE133 жыл бұрын
The FAA is way too lenient in these situations. This guy needs his license suspended until he completes some remedial training. Way too much of this BS happens in the air.
@PetrolHeadBrasil3 жыл бұрын
Did the pilots from Excel Air get their licenses suspended as well?
@sarahalbers55553 жыл бұрын
It is impossible to understand this pilot. We have heard pilots from all over the world communicate way better. It almost sounds like he is really out of it. Doesn't help that he is trying to land at a very busy airport. Scary.
@SuAva3 жыл бұрын
@@sarahalbers5555 It really sounded like he was pooping at some point xD
@ElectraJetProp3 жыл бұрын
@@PetrolHeadBrasil Would you please elaborate? I’m unfamiliar with this incident.
@robertg53933 жыл бұрын
It is a brazilian registered airplane. No way the FAA can revoke his license. I am sure he is fluid in Portguese; just not in English; Having said that, he should NOT be flying into anything.
@Tnenamrep23 жыл бұрын
Oh my god! I mean I'm sure it's a language barrier / unexpected problem / unfamiliarity with Boston thing... but this is how accidents could happen. Kudos to these controllers for getting this guy down, and out of other people's way.
@Tnenamrep23 жыл бұрын
Thanks / congratulations / issuing words of respect to / praising / a pat on the back / a respectful nod of the head to.... that kinda thing.
@rubenvillanueva86353 жыл бұрын
Whose way was he in?, All three flights sequenced in, no delays, no problems.
@user-xp9hu8sg9o3 жыл бұрын
Brazilian aircraft, but no record of that flight. Very interesting.
@bonesccl3 жыл бұрын
Ok, so it's not just me
@aross9243 жыл бұрын
@@Zizzily of course. A florida connection hahaha
@VisibilityFoggy3 жыл бұрын
@@aross924 In that case, we know the reason for all this. He had to deal with customs at FLL and had a stroke.
@Markle2k3 жыл бұрын
Well, yes. Because the first thing you should think is that it is a conspiracy instead of going further back in the logs.
@mango78622 жыл бұрын
Pilot has the same energy of my farts after I eat cheese fries
@aross9243 жыл бұрын
But whoever gave him that type rating says he is a really good pilot!😂
@StortWeldingCoLLC3 жыл бұрын
GIV-X., MAYBE HIS BROTHER IN LAW!!!!!!!!!
@decentish85463 жыл бұрын
“Climb and maintain one zero ten-thousand” “Roger climb and maintain 1010000, going space shuttle status.”
@johnpatrick15883 жыл бұрын
Brazilian registered aircraft.
@blablaglag03933 жыл бұрын
hope it's not what i think you're trying to do, but yes it is Brazilian
@mango78622 жыл бұрын
Had no doubts … clueless ! 🤦🏻♂️
@almilhouse90593 жыл бұрын
Pilots voice changed, must be 1st officer that's taken over, sounds much brighter and happier, seems to follow better
@jeffpyles26723 жыл бұрын
Wow scary this guy is flying a phenom
@rubenvillanueva86353 жыл бұрын
@@marceloluizfigueira7208 You surely have a hard-on, for low budget pilots!, were you turned down as a pilot, by this owner?
@marceloluizfigueira72083 жыл бұрын
@@rubenvillanueva8635 Just a very common mindset on the third world.
@tieoneon52402 жыл бұрын
glad atc spoke slowly and all turned out well
@eucliduschaumeau88133 жыл бұрын
The pilot sounded like he was nodding off on approach. Then appears first officer had to do coms to get that plane down.
@buckit099 Жыл бұрын
These guys in Tracon are real pros. Kuddos.
@mapolinski3 жыл бұрын
Do pilots like this ever just blow off the phone number and fail to contact? If so, what’s the consequences? And finally, how common is this consequence?
@toggtlas70993 жыл бұрын
It depends on the situation but as far as I know a pilot is never legally obligated to call after a deviation on the advice/recommendation of the ATC. Because it's just that. An advice. If there's a minor violation and you call the tower afterwards they might just let you off the hook after clarifying the situation. If it's a Mandatory Occurrence Report it doesn't matter because you're getting reported to the FSDO either way.
@Squossifrage3 жыл бұрын
@@toggtlas7099 He's Brazilian so he probably couldn't care less what the FAA thinks of him, and I doubt he speaks English well enough to make that call anyway.
@martintheiss40383 жыл бұрын
@@Squossifrage I cant stand people who first get themselves in this situation then decide not to report it. This is not good.
@Boss_Tanaka3 жыл бұрын
@@Squossifrage he should care about what the FAA thinks of him if he wants to fly back in the US.
@Squossifrage3 жыл бұрын
@@Boss_Tanaka they have no idea who he is... unless he makes that phone call to TRACON and tells them and TRACON makes a report. The FAA's only recourse would be to ban the aircraft from US airspace.
@johnwild7573 жыл бұрын
After reading most of the comments here I am really surprised no one mentioned hypoxia or pressurizations issues. Clearly speculating but it appears this was not a language issue but purely lacking total awareness. Keep it mind everyone reacts different towards this but it might be possible that the co-pilot finally came to his senses and took over the aircraft. Here's a few notes from my experience: Oxygen levels do not change the higher you go, its the pressure that becomes lower thus affecting your lungs to absorb. It can slowly creep up on you without noticing, its not always rapid. Most pilots train for this and go to pressure chambers to test their reaction skills. The controller should have noticed this and attempted to help not scrutinize. Happy replies !
@my2cents3663 жыл бұрын
Below 10,000 you shouldn't be hypoxic and planes cabin always maintain positive/zero pressure even if pilot mess up. It is communication + not familiar with airplane issue. They missed capture on first go and I think overshoot on second attempt too.
@johnwild7572 жыл бұрын
@@my2cents366 Recovery from hypoxia isn't instantaneous the second you reach better altitude. Everyone reacts differently. Commercial planes usually have pressure valves that open/close to regulate packs in case of over pressure but that does not prevent mishaps from mx or aircrew. And it has nothing to do with maintaining zero pressure. The problem is not having enough pressure. From my own experience in test chambers others would be just fine while some of us may have appeared normal but could not even pronounce our names correctly.
@JoshDoesTravel3 жыл бұрын
For next time Cape Air (KAP)’s callsign is “CAIR”
@Tanker121373 жыл бұрын
Not to be that guy, it's actually "Cair".
@flywithAC23123 жыл бұрын
Excellent job by the controllers & very professional of them to show the levels of patience that they did. Being said, could the first controller have perhaps passed on the possible pilot deviation message further down the chain & not bring it up while there was clearly a bit of a language barrier + workload management situation going on? I just wonder if it would have helped the pilots.
@jdailey6243 жыл бұрын
True. However he gave it during a segment when the plane was stabilized and on a heading at 10,000’ and then descending to 7,000’. It shouldn’t have been a high workload segment. Additionally, the controller was probably just done with him and wanted to get the Brasher warning done in the hopes that this guy wouldn’t get away with being a menace to aviation. Then it just got worse from there anyway.
@hunterfagan62723 жыл бұрын
I’m really curious about what happened has anyone found any more information on this?
@TheFirstBruce3 жыл бұрын
There are those that say he is maintaining 3000 to this very day.
@thespaundrummer11763 жыл бұрын
@@TheFirstBruce lol
@prancer18033 жыл бұрын
@@marceloluizfigueira7208 In South America… like you say sometimes the certificates are uh ‘new’ (as in the company prints them up)
@twopheew99953 жыл бұрын
@@prancer1803 Not true.
@prancer18033 жыл бұрын
@@twopheew9995just an example in my opinion. www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/11/14/report-on-fatal-wc-130-crash-reveals-troubling-maintenance-morale-discipline-lapses-in-puerto-rico-air-guard-wing/
@obfuscatethecode56963 жыл бұрын
Listening to that gave me anxiety! BZ to the controller with not loosing it when pilot deviated and then STILL had more issues!
@kiko24183 жыл бұрын
I could only imagine, how Kennedy Steve would've handled him. That would've been an awesome show xD Edit: Of course after he brought him down professionally
@toldt3 жыл бұрын
I imagine it would have sounded something like this, "Delta tug foxtrot bravo lima..." in his typical muffled way. He might have thrown in some sort of 1% comment as well.
@HobbitHobbit3 жыл бұрын
This was a dangerous situation. The pilot flying was clearly struggling with an instrument approach, language barrier, and perhaps wasn't familiar with the aircraft ay a level you would expect. Putting these together and Boston is not the right place to "practice" (which I hope was the case and there were no passengers on board). I also agree with Charles Cornett's comments about pilot deviation and phone numbers - the pilot was was already beyond his capacity, adding stress and shifting is focus could have been deadly; it would have been easier to alert ground to pass on that information if he safely landed. Also, the second pilot (assuming the PIC) wasn't much better and I challenge if there was a gear situation or they were simply focused on the missed approach and didn't respond. Both pilots need significant training and ATC could benefit from learning not to overburden a pilot in trouble.
@ryanwilson26653 жыл бұрын
Honestly this was like watching a brand new pilot on VATSIM....... The embarrassing thing is that person is really flying irl
@mackwiz13 жыл бұрын
The second officer took over and knew exactly what command was saying.