Emissions rules force legacy automakers to pivot: Renault slashes EV prices

[@Qwerty-cb1ti]

it is not a miracle that ev sales in Germany diminished but this was not the case in France. The german government stopped the subsidy in december 2023 and the french goverment has not cut the subsidy.... yet.

[@ISuperTed]

The problem is once you’re outside China, prices just go up and up. Australia a bit more, Western markets a lot more, mostly due to tariffs and local taxes. Even in the Uk, we have 20% VAT and a minimum 10% tariff (some are a lot more). You can quickly see why prices are mostly double outside China.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

They were double even before the tariffs in many of these places. The Chinese just have not got it right in terms of pricing in Europe.

[@ISuperTed]

@ I think they have been cautious as otherwise they would be banned or have massive tariffs. Europe in particular have massive car industries they want to protect. It won’t work, but doesn’t stop them trying.

[@SkywalkerPaul]

Renault is probably the only brand that actually releases vehicles as they were shown as concept cars

[@bealestreator8940]

Do you think Renault will really commercialize the hub-motors mentioned at 7:49 in Sam's video here?

[@James-bn2pb]

The UK car prices are ridiculous.

[@skasteve6528]

Hoping for the Renault 5 to come in a subtle colour kinda misses the point of hot hatches

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Sam, turbo is just latin for whirlwind. ICE turbochargers take their name from that source rather than being the origin of the word. You can apply the term *_turbo_* to anything either literally or metaphorically, for example a vacuum cleaner or an economy. The same applies for a EV, you can make it a whirlwind of a vehicle.

[@larryc1616]

@GruffSillyGoat Taycan Turbo

[@stevewhitmill2037]

Superstructure is the body, like on a ship - the upper structures, Sam.

[@dannyhunn8752]

Love the yellow looks great

[@billd8156]

Try finding a parking spot in any large city in Europe.

[@CURZONDAVID]

I do love your chat, your channel , your attitude !!! Not sure you know what an LSD is, and you are possibly unaware of the original totally mad R5 Turbo. I’ll keep watching 😉☺️

[@bealestreator8940]

In 1961 LSD was an option you could get on a Studebaker. Limited Slip Differential.

[@lewismcnicholas2631]

The spring has been discounted £3-4k in the UK - exciting to see this as well as the Nissan leaf and corsa-E under £15k

[@larryc1616]

Leaf under 15k is a steal!

[@ISuperTed]

Where is it discounted £3K to £4k? Best deal I can see is £1k off anywhere.

[@vernhill-wv7pp]

Please tell me where a new Corse e is under 15k in UK. I dont think that is true.

[@ISuperTed]

@@vernhill-wv7pp pre-reg/ex demo maybe but brand new - nope.

[@lewismcnicholas2631]

Not new re the corsa E but near new - just check autotrader

[@Edska1]

Yes, EVs are a lot more expensive in Europe, but with gov, support and other benefits it's not that bad overall. I bought Tesla M3 highland for 45,000EUR, but got 5K EUR back from the gov. I also can park anywhere in the country's public spaces for free (except private territories). There is also one Supercharger completely free not far away. So overall I think there are a lot of other benefits that will make it pay off overall, even though the actual cost of the car is significantly more expensive than USA or Asia.

[@MichaelEllyett]

It is just strange because for ever cars have been much more expensive in Europe/UK than in NZ (small, poor, remote, semi-developed Pacific nation). So to see cars like the Tesla that might be €35k here, €42k in Europe just feels very odd.

[@bradweakly6306]

it would be beneficial for Sam to provide clarity on how the funds are being used or to explain the rationale behind these purchases in relation to his personal and professional life. However, these are personal decisions, and while public opinion can be vocal, it's ultimately up to Sam to navigate his actions in light of his public persona and the support he's received.

[@Alex-l6d1f]

Dacia Spring is £14995 or €17863 in UK and they have a lot of taxes there I think the European cars are priced higher because they can’t make them much cheaper with their current production methods and cost of production on Europe Chinese brands have great cost in shipping the cars to Europe too on top of taxes and tariffs The mini Leapmotor is a very basic car it seems so maybe that’s the only cheap car they can send there when you take into account all the other factors

[@connclissmann6514]

Thanks for the video. Prices in Europe are quoted including all national and local sales taxes, so are on the road price (plus small delivery charge to cover number plates). Is this also the case in Australia? Just want to ensure we are comparing like with like. (Would be interesting to know what the quoted price in China compared to the on the road price is in, day Shanghai? Worthy of a video?)

[@MichaelEllyett]

Why are cars so much more expensive in Europe. Is it cartel behaviour or is it government imposed costs?

[@stephman02]

Fighting wealth inequality… are they winning yet ? 😂😂😂

[@timfudy3147]

Sam, what do have against yellow?

[@terrancel1786]

Who brings the right size ev at the right price wins.

[@stevewhitmill2037]

28% in 2025 Sam in the UK.

[@lenperin4923]

In Canada we call it porch.

[@skasteve6528]

I just call it 'over engineered' although that could apply to most German brands

[@CarsandDiecasts]

Renault 5 won the Car of the Year Award today. Together with the Lucid Air (100.000 euros), it is the only electric car that attracts my attention and Renault seems to be the only European manufacturer that understands electric cars. I will never buy a Chinese car or a Tesla, so if I go electric, my first vehicle is likely to be a Renault 5.

[@Seventh7Art]

The R5 Turbo EV is NOT faster than a Nissan GT-R R35.... Because Godzilla runs 0-62 mph in 3 seconds dead, not 3.5 seconds.

[@biskero]

There is a 22% sale Tax on cars...

[@samwhite8093]

That T03 looks pretty grim tbh

[@Bill1516]

If the EU has any trouble wrecking the German automakers, they could bring in Governor Newsome of California as a consultant, to hasten the demise of jobs paying about $67 per hour of pay & benefits.

[@moganaanamog8380]

in france, the best version of a byd han, 72000 euros ❤‍🔥

[@bealestreator8940]

That yellow car at 4:39 Renault R5 turbo 3E in-wheel motors??? at 7:50 - isn't that the headline? Hub motors, is that why the rear wheels stick out? You're thinking it will be reality and available for purchase, at least in Europe?

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

The original Renault 5 was wider at the back than the front .. to help handling and keep internal space...but the ultimate sports version was mid engine rear wheel drive not front. Like the car it was based on including the first R5 Turbo. I'm pretty sure it doesn't use hub motors. He says this is RWD.. so it's motor is beneath the rear floor. 🤔What they need to develope is an electric version of the original Matra Simca Bagheera. 3 seat Sports car.😎

[@ISuperTed]

That’s a special limited run collectors model.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

No hub motors.

[@bealestreator8940]

@@Simon-dm8zv 7:49 Sam says "dual, in-wheel electric hub motors"

[@bealestreator8940]

@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 at 7:49 Sam indeed says "dual, in-wheel electric hub motors" i didn't know about the original Renault 5 being wider at the back, thanks.

[@lauriahonen2892]

In North europe have long distanges and freezin in Winter. So under 400km IS just not ok. On minus 20-30c and motorway you Conan get 200km of 400 km range

[@ptuomo]

This is sort of true but in reality average Finn drives 30 kms a day. Taxi driver drives 300 kms a day. If you can charge at home 200-300 kms is plenty

[@fillei]

​@@ptuomomost People cant charge att home, and 200km is closer to 100km real range in nothern europe this time of year.

[@warheadsnation]

Why haven't the Norwegians figured that out yet? Maybe because they figured out how they actually drive.

[@davidnika446]

In the U.S. most people say Porsche like "porsh". Most people here don't say "porsh-eh". Only super picky people insist on "porsh-eh". And Germans. They say it as the two syllables. But as we all know, Germans are pretty weird! ;)

[@steverichmond7142]

Renault RS Turbo is a car in history. That was affordable bonkers....

[@DutchinBrazil]

Good luck with their high bs prices 😅

[@lauriahonen2892]

14k€ ovet prize on eu

[@nickmcconnell1291]

For readers: We know why EV sales went down in Germany because the vast majority of cars in Germany are bought by companies and given to employees to use as a perk. The company gets tax breaks doing it and the employee is happier. However on EVs the German govt was giving added incentives for companies to buy them... so they did. When this stopped last year the companies stopped buying the EVs in as large a quantity. This is temporary slow down and will soon be rectified by the lower price EVs being shown on this channel. As to the high price of the model Y in the EU, it's due to them being made in Germany. German worker benefits jack up the price of the car that $10K you are talking about. The model Ys Australia gets are of course from China and cheaper by far to build.

[@warheadsnation]

What is the actual % of auto price due to labor costs anywhere? It's just a boogeyman being used by union-busters.

[@NighthunterNyx]

The Dacia Spring is around 25000 Euro where I live in EU. We have zero subsidies. Dacia Soring is nice. It is very light so power is not an issue. Range is up to 240km. We bought one for my mother. The Dacia is very economical- 1.50 Euros to charge the 24 kW battery. It is cheaper than riding bus. I really hope they lower EV prices. Any decent mid size car is upwards of 45000 Euro. Cheapest is Renault Scenic. Typical prices for EV are more like 50 to 60K :-( smallish EVs start at around 25000 Euro and for an adequately speced model with the bigger battery price goes to 35K…. Which is kind of silly at for little bit more,you hop on the midsize cars with double the range and many more extras…..it feels like companies don’t want to sell cars…

[@skasteve6528]

The Dacia Spring was originally priced at around 17,500 euros in most EU countries. With the recent price cuts, you can get the top of the range for less than 14500 euros in Belgium and Luxembourg. If enough people started popping over to Belgium to buy a new car, the prices would tumble in your country. I'd delay buying one though, the batteries are NCM, which aren't as long lasting as the LFP batteries of the Leapmotor T03. Hopefully Dacia are working on a 2nd gen model, afterall, the original Dongfeng, on which it is based, has already upgraded.

[@NighthunterNyx]

I think we are on the 3rd generation of the Spring now. It used to be only 40hp and is now 6th, they bumped the design ever so slightly too. We bought a relatively light used car for about half price. So it was ok. As new car prices go they were bumped to 25K just late ‘24 with the new China taxes. You may be having lower prices in Belgium due to lower taxes like VAT. It is great to read this. At 15K the car is very much worth it and in 5 years it would cover its acquisition cost and more. I am unsure how to register a car if I buy in Belgium. Also will they tax me extra somehow? I am just not good in car trading

[@SunshineShane]

EU emission regulations have 3 targets: 1. make Europeans poor 2. abolish cars and mobility 3. collect tax in the short period. Hint: it is not about saving the climate! Thanks for bringing up the pricing of EVs (and new cars in general) in the EU. Before cars it was the import tax of 55% for solar panels from 2013 onwards plus 20% to 25% VAT for the final consumer. Repeat: it is about control and taxation - it never was about the climate. If it was, they would make it easy and cheap and provide cheap electricity as well and give people the much proclaimed freedom of choice. Note: if Renault does not make a profit, it´s the next to go bancrupt.

[@ISuperTed]

Uk has cheap overnight electric rate, way cheaper to charge an EV than fuel an ICE car

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

It's about reducing the pollution caused by millions of people living in crowded cities whose health and life spans are increasingly limited by Climatic change and air quality.. also shear overcrowding. The fact that most of us spend more and more time trying to move and park in our towns and cities whilst actual traffic speed drops below the speed of a person on a peddle bicycle let alone an electric bike or cargo bike is a clear demonstration of this. As are the illnesses and causes of death in built up areas. Through repository conditions heart disease and strokes. There is also the localised heat effects of heavy stationary traffic and the heating of roads and carparks then there's the accelerated run off and flooding from increasingly violent storms that cause localised and regional flooding . Which trashes thousands of vehicles with flood damage and pounding's by giant hail storms. The heat of concrete and tarmac surfaces in heatwaves this year resulted in some individuals getting serious burns to bare feet and bodies of individuals who fell or collapsed onto exposed roads and ground. Basically if you fall or pass out and you are left in contact with such surfaces the victim will begin to cook like an egg 🍳. Now do you want you kids, loved ones or elderly people dealing with that all Whilst surrounded by more of the same. 🤷🏻🥼🧙🏼‍♂️ What they do need to do is reduce the cost of public transport and the need for cars in urban environments... and where they are needed to make them Cleaner, Cooler and quieter with a lower life time energy and materials impact. Again yes they haven't really accepted like the rest of the population that we have got ourselves up the global and Euro environmental fossil fuel creek without planned adequate paddles. 🙄🤦🏻😷🤒🥵🔥🔥. Note. Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as numbers increase. This is as true of humans as it is of gas molecules in a sealed flask. The human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence is possible for those who so survive. Frank Herbert. Dune.

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

​@@ISuperTed Agreed but the Planning and implementation by both Govt and the supplier companies has been handled like a bunch of kids playing pass the parcel with a hot brick wrapped in an ever diminishing layers of old news and Scientific papers dating back as far as kipper ties on the Open university's TV tutorials. 😂🫣🧙🏼‍♂️🥼 Yes I've been pointing these problems out that long... Were we right yes ....am I any happier ....what do you think?🧐🙄 The next step requires large scale grid and local storage batteries that can hold a charge for weeks and last decades . ...so let's not buy any old Tesla cast offs. 😂

[@SunshineShane]

@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 The air in EU capital cities was unbreathable in the 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s. Thick air, grey skies and smog, smells, fumes: cancer and other diseases. Than they started to put filters on everything, cars started to have catalysators, apartments a/c instead of oil, wood and coal ovens. Since the 2010s the air is clean, the sky is blue in EU cities. In the 1980s they introduced the "green wave" for traffic lights. You could drive from the outskirts to city center and easily find a parking space if you maintained a constant 50 kmh speed. When green policies (not really green) invaded everything, the green wave was ended. You stop at a red light 30 to 50 times. In the city center there is no parking slot, they reduced those by 30% to 50% and made them paid. Electric trams from the 70s and 80s were replaced by diesel busses (which are now being replaced by electric ones slowly). Busses had recessed stations for people to hop in hop off, cars drove by.. These disappeared - cars now stop behind those busses too - everywhere. Speed limits reduced from 50 kmh to 30 kmh. End of the 90s people were forced to the outskirts as rents became too expensive. It made sense. 25 years later they are blocked from entering the city with their car and have to pay for it. There is so much more You can do, store and carry with a car - beyond going to the workplace and back - which is the limitation of public transport. It´s very time consuming.

[@rogerfroud300]

Are the prices of cars in China realistic, or are they all being sold at a loss?

[@4literv6]

The latter! In the last 5 years Chinas lost over 220 car companies! And they are subsidizing evs to the the of over $1,410,000,000 us per month spent since 2009 per forbes!

[@Corsa15DT]

Dacia is pronounced like 'da-chia'

[@DGlass-yg8xk]

Yugo 2.0

[@catesolarcatamaran252]

The Dacia spring has a low entry price but if you compare km range VS price a tesla is cheaper. 😂

[@McWrisk]

Sure but do you need all that range? Especially in Europe where transit is so much more effective?

[@markmiller8903]

Why buy a car with a range? Buy an ICE Vehicle instead!!!

[@GruffSillyGoat]

This depends on need, if one doesn't require the range of a Tesla then the Dacia will be cheaper to run as it's a lot more efficient.

[@1maico1]

They clearly use the word turbo in it's original Latin connotation: impetus tempestatis turbo indicating high impetus whirlwind. Can't blame Sam for not knowing this, he is the victim of a mediocre Australian school system...

[@paulc6766]

So the legislation is working then.

[@dougsheldon5560]

Why pay Tesla when you can sell it?

[@rogerfroud300]

If you buy any small ICE car, it comes with as good range as a large car. Why? Well, because people don't just use small cars in Cities, they use them for everything. If you tried to sell a small ICE car with 200 mile range, it wouldn't go down well, and so it is with small EVs. Manufacturers need to recognise that large battery pack options are necessary for small cars too, if they want to sell more of them.

[@MichaelEllyett]

Well I think exactly the opposite. We have a couple of cars and for long trips we use the bigger one but for driving around the city a smaller lighter one ideal. So I want a car with a small battery that is light, inexpensive, etc. that I can charge each night at home. I travel more than 300km maybe once or twice a year

[@ksitau]

Electric Spring Dacia ... is made in China :-)

[@simmo8u]

The real reason people buy EV subsidies. Government bs regulations been in a tesla byd prefer my Calais anyday

[@abelincoln3261]

Families are smaller towns have more transportation options,, we won't need more cars we are making to many cars /// we don't need so many

[@SurakIII]

Can you do the voice of the critical commenters again?😂

[@DaveG7920]

An honest title for once, manufacturers being forced to produce something. This is why you get the anti EV comments, is the forcing bit that earns the push back, if they were just better for everyone there would be no need to force.

[@warheadsnation]

During WW2 the US banned sales of new cars and rationed gasoline for nearly 4 years. If we're not treating climate change as a threat bigger than fascism we're just a bunch of addicts.

[@nerdbikes3841]

Tariffs are just making Chinese carmakers even more aggressive in engineering ways to produce cheaper cars that qualify for safety regs. Tariffs actually help China in the long run by encouraging Chinese carmakers to out-engineer EU and American industries.

[@victorsvoice7978]

Why are electric cars from China more expensive in Europen and the US? Protectionism. Western car companies can not compete on price and technology. So tariffs and taxes are used to protect uncompetitive local industries. They cause consumers to pay more for poor or shoddy products.

[@stevewhitmill2037]

EV sales in the UK are stupid. Private motorists aren't buying them.

[@warheadsnation]

EV sales were 20% for 2024, and 31% for December. Fleets matter in a country where it's normal for people to lease cars from their employer.

[@MichaelEllyett]

I do wonder how of the problem is absurd company car taxation policies. They used to completely screw up our market but they got rid of them all 30 years ago.

[@jonpetter8921]

Why so quiet about Tesla losing share in Europe two biggest car marked: France and Germany. Looks like Tesla is not winning there right, the chineses far behind as well ?

[@alangardeski3199]

Great! It is much better to destroy economic output to promote EVs

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Economic output at the expense of basic survival in the future🤦

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Not really, the economic output is pivoting to EVs, with continued ICE production becoming the economic outlier.

[@aaronmccardie8795]

Don't care care if EV are really cheap I still don't want one.

[@LucodeHome]

The Dacia spring is China made too, but it does stand a chance against the Leapmotor T03.

[@warheadsnation]

It's an earlier generation of Chinese design, and Chinese design has been improving rapidly.

[@frankcoffey]

Consumers and oil companies should pay the emissions fees for the automakers. Consumers what the ICE cars and oil companies will make all the money from fuel. It's unfair to make the automakers pay it.

[@SG-lj8uu]

How do consumers with ICE cars make money from fuel?

[@frankcoffey]

@@SG-lj8uu They just get the cars, oil companies make the money from fuel.

[@SG-lj8uu]

@@frankcoffey okay agreed, so why would consumers pay the fees?

[@frankcoffey]

@@SG-lj8uu They get to keep polluting with the cars they want that's worth something. And with cars already way over priced it's not even going to be much really. Just one of those dealer line items cost you more than that.

[@SG-lj8uu]

@@frankcoffey that’s unfair to poorer people. most forms of taxation and fees are already regressive in nature. By implementing such a change you would invariably be impacting the poor more than the wealthy. And long term it would not achieve anything anyway, because the majority would grow to resent such a policy and demand change.

[@نوره0محمد-خ2ف]

انا اختكم من اليمن والله ماتكلمت الا من جوع ومن ضيق الحال اني وامي واخوني مامعنا غير العبرات والدموع اني طالبه من الله ثم منك لاتردني خايبه حسبنا الله ونعم الوكيل في من اوصلنا الا هاذا الحال يِآ نآس يِآآمٌـٍة مٌحًمٌد صِآرتٍ قلّوبگٍمٌ بلّآ رحًمٌهً ولّآشفُقهً ولّآ آنسآنيِهً گٍمٌ شگٍيِتٍ وگٍمٌ بگٍيِتٍ گٍمٌ نآديِتٍ وگٍمٌ نآشدتٍ ولّگٍن لّآ حًيِآٍة لّمٌن تٍنآديِ هًلّ يِرضيِگٍمٌ آن آخوآنيِ يِبگٍون ويِمٌوتٍون مٌن آلّجُوع وآنتٍمٌ مٌوجُودون يِعلّمٌ آلّلّهً آلّعلّيِ آلّعظَيِمٌ آننآ لّآ نمٌلّگٍ حًتٍى قيِمٌـٍة گٍيِلّو دقيِق آبيِ مٌتٍوفُيِ اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه من اليمن نازحين من انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب 500 ريال يمني مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967711528949 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا./÷~÷~÷~π÷~÷~÷~π~÷~^~^~°°~÷~π~π~π~πππ~π~π~÷~π~π~√~√¢°^π°€

[@SusanDonald-tv6nh]

😅

[@NoiserToo]

Go woke EV, go broke

[@ISuperTed]

Another sad troll. Why do you bother when you’re not interested in EV’s. How sad.

[@warheadsnation]

@@ISuperTed What worries me is whether he denies climate change... or hopes that if he lies about it, climate change will kill off the races and city people he hates.

[@fcalin21]

Renault is way overpriced, so are the other European and American brands.

[@SzaszaG1]

Need at least 400km range

[@MichaelEllyett]

I think that absurd. I have never needed to drive 400km in a day