Emmert 6A Toolmakers Vise Restoration - Part 2: Reassembly

[@Docwks]

Just scored a 6A in Wesley Chapel, FL. Everything is good. Missing the triangle Jaws, but sent the guy pictures and maybe he will find them. Shouldn't be hard to make out of steel, aluminum or even wood. The video was great making clean up and paint a breeze. Thanks again!

[@MikeBaxterABC]

11:30 All Done!! .. Two broken screws removed and retapped perfectly! .. No milling machine, no dial indicator, no waste of time! ... Bravo!!! :)

[@willclark491]

No dial indicator?????

[@MikeBaxterABC]

@@willclark491 lol

[@paulsilva3346]

@@willclark491 See ABOM79, His videos are elaborate with those tool uses.

[@johncoops6897]

The screws weren't broken.. he didn't even try to loosen them.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

@@johncoops6897 I see you edited this out, but he took off a jaw as template to make a pair of brass ones, he probably took the best looking one. You have no way of knowing if the screws were rusted in or not, he probably tried off camera ... It would be unusual if those screws were easy to remove.

[@debeeriz]

l find with left hand drills, it pays to drill a small hole first and when you use a larger drill it tends to bite and winds the broken screw out

[@walter2990]

I wish that I could have shared this video with my grandfather, who was a trained "Tool & Die" machinist, but he passed away several years ago. I now have his old equipment, since I was the only "kid" that was interested in keeping his machine shop "going". Thanks for the video!! Hope to meet you sometime in the near future.

[@crichtonbruce4329]

I love your restorations Keith, Thanks again. For some reason I never much liked re-painting old cast iron tools I was restoring. I just like the look and patina of the bare cast. What I did was coat everything in boiled linseed oil and bake it on with a heat gun. Sometimes I'd do the same with paste wax. It proved a durable, coating with a semi-gloss sheen and quite good anti-rust properties.

[@jimandrews8047]

Kieth,I was looking at 6Avises online and you are right. They did have a set of jaws to fit the round post. They were triangular with a groove across the face to hold round stock like rod material.

[@dondotson4604]

Figuring it out as we go, is what we all do. Love watching your videos. Don from Oregon

[@cameronmccreary4758]

I have had bad screws EDMed out of holes and it is wonderful; that leaves the holes and the threads in great shape ready-to-assemble the part. One more thing, I don't leave the tape while the paint cures; it makes the tape difficult to get off at the edges and chips the paint.

[@Farm_fab]

Thank you for the update on this vise. I'm anxious to get mine apart and cleaned up/painted and reassembled for use. As much as I would like to put this on my table, I believe it will serve me better on a pedestal. I plan to make the mounting base work for several things, like my HF tire changer, and perhaps a very few other attachments.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

That's a good idea !

[@BedsitBob]

Came for the restoration, stayed for the cat. 😁

[@Farm_fab]

Marion stopped by to do a cat scan of the tool boxes.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

I looked like she was licking never seize, grease, or oil off the tool box's drawer, pull handle

[@BedsitBob]

@@Farm_fab Will, a dog pop in later, and do a lab test? 😁

[@stevewilliams2498]

I thought for a brief moment I was going to witness an "Easyout" actually working ! That would have been a 1st.

[@andybonneau9209]

Funny to see a guy with a full machine shop drilling out screws with a hand drill.

[@jayreiter268]

Did we fail on the steam stoker?

[@barry.w.christie]

I know it doesn't matter, but you installed the tilt up/down handle the opposite way round ... handle was on the right (above the cam lock), now on the left! Apart from that, another excellent video ... thank you :)

[@stonerbloopers]

Pictures of the clamps for the pins, and the original catalog pages. www.anvilfire.com/vises/af_vises_004.php

[@spaight711]

I don’t have a set of the swivel jaws for my vise, but I know a guy who does. So I’ll email you a sketch of how they look (from memory). They’re quite simple.

[@douglasmurphy5343]

Love the Philmont belt!

[@billkahl1147]

That's a nice restoration on an interesting vice.

[@johnlee8231]

Nice looking vise

[@briand01]

that's a Cool Vice nice work with the restore.

[@arthurjacobs9330]

Is that a Philmont Scout Ranch belt you have on? The guy that taught me to rock climb was a counselor at Philmont. Lee Price, originally from Camp Uwharrie, Jamestown NC

[@bcbloc02]

Pretty cool vise.

[@robertbamford8266]

Made to be maintained. Thanks for the video.

[@leeplatt9360]

i've seen a couple images of the jaws for the pins, they are basically a triangle with a hole frilled through to fit the pins.

[@bulletproofpepper2]

Morphing jaws are very kool. Thanks for sharing!

[@Paul-FrancisB]

Good morning Keith from the UK

[@paulfasolo8552]

Keith, you mentioned that braze joint was a repair; is it possible that the joint was made as part of the manufacturing process? There is an area that the retainer stop for the screw is close to. .

[@veepsgarage]

Nice vise. I restore a lot of vises and recommend not using grease on all those exposed surfaces. Grease or attracts dirt and debris, just like if you used grease on the lead screw of a Bridgeport. I would use a dry lube such and dry graphite or something like boeshield. You can even get away with just paste wax. Just my opinion. Either way, great video and channel!

[@brianhostak3961]

Great job !! Nice vice !!

[@hank5655]

Keith I always look forward to your video's. I may have an idea for you, one is go to your John Deere dealer and buy you some spray graphite it will stick to anything like moving parts with out attracting dirt it's the same stuff I used in the Airforce. 2. when your using your easy out's read on the easy out and it will tell you what size of drill to use and you can remove a lot more bolts by using the proper size easy out I have save a lot of money for folks who bring me there stuff to be fixed remember bigger is not always better.

[@ron827]

VERY nice vise! You could make some simple steel blocks to fit over the pins which could have a pair of steel faces, a pair of soft faces, a pair with vertical grooves and a pair with horizontal grooves to hold small round or square stock.

[@billmorris2613]

Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 14 Mar 22.

[@michaelkoch2109]

Good morning from Dresden.

[@ellieprice363]

Good morning from Charlotte, N.C.

[@michaelkoch2109]

@@ellieprice363 Greetings from Upper Saxony to North Carolina!

[@lwilton]

It looked to me that one set of the flat jaws was flat and the other had been crosshatched for better grip. But the crosshatch was almost worn off.

[@paulg3336]

25:00 The vertical block is installed wrong. It should be facing 180° in the other direction,back towards the center of the bench it is clamped to, here. This way makes no sense from a clamping view point and the L shaped slot.

[@johncoops6897]

Yep, correct. He's also assembled something else wrong as the rotating jaws section is binding up.

[@027503]

​@@johncoops6897 I believe it bound because the screw tightens when the head is turned CCW. The screw nut is part of the rotating assembly.

[@gd2329j]

Now you need 2 half discs with V crosses on the jaws & matching holes !

[@benpress8884]

Amazing work as usual. And that shaft looks massive, someone must have really been cranking on that screw to break it.

[@Ambidexter143]

And the braze fix was amazing. A master machinist was responsible for that.

[@johncoops6897]

Probably clamped something large up really tight, then heated it.. expanding steel will beat cast iron.

[@ElmerJFudd-oi9kj]

The sound is good now!

[@patrickcolahan7499]

Maybe you did this off camera, but I didn't see you put grease on the shaft before you installed it into the jaw. That needs to be lubricated as well.

[@JasonAWilliams-IS]

He did this on camera

[@patrickcolahan7499]

@@JasonAWilliams-IS He greased the screw but not the shaft that goes through through the head.

[@JasonAWilliams-IS]

@@patrickcolahan7499 yeah he did starting at 22:28. He even mentioned it.

[@patrickcolahan7499]

@@JasonAWilliams-IS Look at 21:07, you will see that he did not grease the portion of the handle infront of the threads. I already acknowledged he greased the threads.

[@johncoops6897]

@@JasonAWilliams-IS - he did not grease the shaft near the handle. He only greased the threads.

[@svenben9868]

Gosh.... That painters tape beating you down.. got you breathing like you're jogging up a flight of stairs... :) haha

[@slypig24]

Keith, what are your thoughts on making a custom washer to go on screw before collart, to take out backlash when opening and closing jaws?

[@WilliamTMusil]

Hiya Keith

[@graymouser1]

re:evaporust & paint. If your paint is on top of enough rust, and evaporust is given enough time, it chelates right in under the paint and removes it's anchor to the object. When you look in the bottom of the bucket, you find all the unaltered paint chips.

[@jerrycomo2736]

Emmert 6A Vice Research: Looks like there are parts for two of the three jaws missing, based upon old photos. One of the jaws has what looks like removable rubber caps that appear to have been made for the vice. The cylinder-shaped (hubs) jaws appear to have removable jaws about the same size as the other jaws that are free to rotate around the hub. I will try a search for copies of original sales brochures. I wonder if when new, there were a set of jaw caps for various purposes.???

[@johncarey9149]

Great videos Keith, however, I can't help but think that these vices are rare because they are a jack of all trades, master of none. I appreciate the advantage of being able to hold the work backwards, forwards and sideways, but that flexibility obviously comes at the expense of the rigidity. As I said, I really enjoyed seeing you refresh this strange and wonderful contraption, and I'd love to know how effective they are once you've had chance to use the vice for a while ... 😀

[@garthbutton699]

I can see where that vice could be a third hand on a assembly bench also,thanks for the video🤗😎🤗😎

[@kentuckytrapper780]

Great video Keith, keep'um coming..

[@kevinchrisler7055]

I had thought that there was a cam washer it would fit between the body device and the black handle on the right

[@johncoops6897]

There should have been washers at numerous points, but he didn't fit any. Very sloppy work.

[@ivanS38]

What kind of grease are you using ?

[@ulfberht3746]

Speaking about swiveling jaws. Perhaps the vice could be used with only one swiveling jaw with a cut out on the face and a tube on the opposing cylindrical post to protect it. Then you could bend or straighten metal profiles in a controlled fashion. /Ulf B

[@pickletreewoodcraft7858]

Nice Vise Keith I swear that’s the neatest thing since sliced bread. I found what the swivel jaws look like and some of the many uses of the vise, do a Google search of “Emmert 6A toolmakers vise” then select the images category and you will find what you need there!

[@TheUncleRuckus]

I don't trust a man who doesn't have a shop cat! 😂 And props to whoever did the brazing. 👍👍

[@kenny5174]

Maybe some pivot jaws for holding tapered work? Great little vise. Great video once again!

[@paulsilva3346]

25:20 Keith, how about some extra teflon grease in each L -slot potential RUST Spots.? Now for PART 2,.. The Soft Jaws...?

[@ddblairco]

nice....Gotta build a new bench to hold the new vise.

[@willemvantsant5105]

A lot of end float on the screw, Bronze thrust washer to take up the slop would be nice. Also would be concerned about the weld repair, I could not use the Vise with complete confidence. A new steel shaft screwed and loctited into the movable jaw might be an option.

[@ralphnorman4636]

Thank you for showing me new_TO ME_ tools and machines. The day you stop improving your mind is the day your mind starts degrading. (trying to hold off THAT as much as I can).

[@MrPossumeyes]

Same! It's all about mental exercise. Use it or lose it. I'm 64 and watching my mum on the down-slope. Sad.

[@ralphnorman4636]

@@MrPossumeyes I am 62 here. As my dad said, Use it or LOOSE it. With 3 strokes I have lost to much already.

[@MrPossumeyes]

@@ralphnorman4636 Be strong, man! Your mind is everything. Best wishes.

[@davidhudson5452]

Very nice Keith

[@catfishgray3696]

GREAT JOB, PET THE DOGS AND CATS, SEE YOU ALL NEXT TIME, GREAT VIDEO...

[@millomweb]

14:00 So the main swivel surface that you need to NOT swivel in use, you've greased, and the cam mechanism that locks that swivel you've not greased. Bizarre, absolutely bizarre !

[@johncoops6897]

He didn't grease the main shaft (near the handle) either, which is the number 1 point of friction. Not a washer to be seen either, which is mandatory to make it lock properly..

[@millomweb]

@@johncoops6897 Yes, I noticed the lack of grease on the main clamping screw thrust bearing. Marginal on the actual screw too, really. Which bit are you locking with a washer - that's missing ?

[@johncoops6897]

@@millomweb - Washer on the main screw between the handle and the body. Washer under the locking handle of the rotation slide. Washer under the handle of the lock for the L-shaped lifter slot. Basically, a washer under every nut or bolt, to spread the force and greased both sides to make it easier to tighten down (by hand).

[@millomweb]

@@johncoops6897 You're washer mad ! :) I'd agree with one on the L shaped slot lock. I've not come across vices with a washer under the main screw handle - and one wouldn't be necessary there. As for a washer under the base swivel locking handle - that'd stop that locking mechanism from working properly - as you'd be placing the washer between cam and cam follower - needed to create the clamping action but a washer above the handle under the bottom nut would be ok.

[@johncoops6897]

@@millomweb - you definitely need a washer between the main screw handle and the moving jaw, as that significantly reduces friction and wear of the #1 friction point of the whole vice. One of the best mods you can do on any vice is the replace that thrust washer with a flat needle roller bearing... it literally transforms the vice to fingertip tightening ease! Generally there should be a washer under all moving parts to spread the load and/or reduce friction and/or reduce wear of the surfaces.

[@patamos7019]

Adam Booth would probably love to have that, the way he likes to collect vises.....LOL

[@mattorendorff8858]

I’ll take Andrew Alexander as being more jealous on this one.

[@Farm_fab]

Years ago, I got two Snapon vises and made one out of the two as the each had different issues. I asked a mechanic at church if he had use for a vise, and he said at his age he didn't need and more vices. I told him this was a mechanics vise, and he said he was just confused for a moment.

[@alanl.simmons9726]

Would jaws of babbitt be useful or practical?

[@a.bakker64]

Maybe the caps on the pin jaws could clamp tapered objects.

[@mcplutt]

I came for the cat 😆

[@jpsimon206]

I would think that as a tool Maker's vise, the story about the pin jaws is likely half true. I would bet that the factory mostly sold them with blank pins. Depending on the precise type of work the individual tool maker did, he might make a series of fixtures that drop onto the pins much like tools in the hearty hole of an anvil. There were aftermarket producers of Hardy tools, but most were made custom. I would imagine that in the 1800s, the title tool maker could encompass quite a bit of different work. Presumably boring a set hole in each half of a fixture would be well within the means of the tool maker

[@lwilton]

The catalog shows a pair of triangular jaws that came with the vise, which could be used on the pins if desired. It shows an image of a hoop clamped between a pin and the other pin with one of the flat shoes on it, on the outside of the hoop.

[@nxt-1]

0:23 Keith you have to understand, no matter how good the audio quality, if a kitty appears, I stop listening and start looking at the kitty cat :)

[@CraigLYoung]

Thanks for sharing 👍

[@elsdp-4560]

Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.👍👀

[@dixonqwerty]

The CAT!! ❤️

[@19672701]

Neat vise

[@bruceferrero8178]

Look at anvilfire vice page

[@crichtonbruce4329]

Thanks. I just went to look and Indeed! the vice and catalog pictures are right there!

[@jeffland9992]

Any interest in a John Deere bulldozer from 1954? It is complete and parts are available

[@newton366]

KITTY AT 00:24 !!

[@millomweb]

3:50 Aye, remove all the roughness that gives it traction to stop it swivelling when clamped !

[@GreeceUranusPutin]

Watched at double speed

[@walnutclose5210]

"Not sure this [repair] wasn't done at the factory" Maybe. But on the other hand, it's a toolmakers' vise, and probably lived in a toolroom setting. No surprise that a broken vise in such a setting would get a proper and clean repair, right down to re-turning the barrel on a lathe to a near original spec. That's pretty much how tool and die makers think and work.

[@katelights]

was repeating clips from the previous video intentional? confused me for a minute thinking I had already watched this video

[@dennissheridan1550]

Keith I disagree with all the grease you used on the flat surfaces, it will just attract dirt and fine shavings and gum up the movement of those parts. It would have maybe been better to use a dry lube that wouldn't gum things up.. It is a nifty vise though.

[@LikeDotAudio]

You underestimate the cleanliness of toolmakers

[@daz2372]

Needs a little tweaking to get into functional condition. Otherwise a quick bandaid rebuild thumbs up.

[@FreedomFromIgnorance]

Still looks like the second set of jaws also need to be drilled out and replaced. The tapered, threaded pin for the base is bent and is so sloppy it looks like it needs to be replaced. I'm just not seeing your usual attention to detail.

[@harley1969chuco]

Amazing 👍👍👍👍

[@NotAMinifig]

It could be that the add-on rotating jaws were just a popular shop-made addition, if you have a use for it, it seems like a rather simple and obvious shop project.

[@mr2981]

No, rotating jaws were originally supplied by Emmert, but they all got lost! Obviously you're correct that one could make any special jaws you wanted to.

[@binbashbuddy]

I didn't understand why you didn't take all of the jaws off to begin with so you could make sure all is clean and working t. I'm also confused why no one who does restorations seems to own an impact driver, the kind you hold in your hand and turn while you hit it with a hammer. They're cheap and they work well. I have one that I've had for almost 40 years and use it all the time.

[@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578]

Like the video

[@newandoldtech5634]

0:35 a lathe dog I know. This is adifferent animal.....

[@BedsitBob]

You'll need to be very careful on thickness, when you make those soft jaws.

[@johncoops6897]

It is a VICE so it can be adjusted to any thickness. Think about it.

[@BedsitBob]

@@johncoops6897 If the soft jaws are too thick, the hard jaws won't close completely. If the soft jaws are too thin, they won't close fully.

[@johncoops6897]

@@BedsitBob - Sorry, I didn't realise that you were talking about the 2nd set of fixed jaws rather than the removeable jaws on the swivel pins.

[@johanea]

Of course you won’t get anything out with those drills using a hand drill on high speed. Not how it suppose to work.

[@wolfgangbalu1253]

Herd hat 2 N Anschlüsse die gebrückt sind und angeschlossen werden müssen

[@georgestarling9367]

I would hate to see what you thought a lot of grease looked like.

[@stacycote2273]

I usually love to see your work. This project seemed a little rushed in my opinion. Not a lot of attention on the fine details. A little more time spent on this project would’ve resulted in a much nicer looking vice aesthetically. I know I am being picky, but your work is usually at a higher level.

[@EitriBrokkr]

Lubricates everything except for all the threaded fasteners and handles...

[@johncoops6897]

Yep, no grease on the main working parts.

[@juliewilkes4386]

jimmie wilkes ! i can not hear you on your vidios !

[@yetshi]

spend the $8 in pre-82 pennies and make a video about melting down, sand casting, and machining a set of copper vise jaws.

[@johncoops6897]

Why? Just grab some stock off the shelf. Kieth has far important things to do than waste time and money casting copper bars.

[@Adirondacks4me]

I think your definition of a little grease is equivalent to a small helping of potatoes...

[@johncoops6897]

Yet he didn't put any grease on places that actually needed it.

[@rp2358]

Why no grease on the inside of the grooves? You purposely trying to drive us crazy?

[@greavous93]

more of a clean-up and halfass rattle can paint job than it is a restoration. But ive leaned not to expect a decent finish to come out of this workshop.

[@deathk26]

It's not a showpiece for a museum. It's going to get used. Quit your prattling.

[@brettbuck7362]

Well, its nice to know that the keyboard experts are on patrol, pointing out the flaws with other people's work from the safety of their mom's basement.

[@greavous93]

@@brettbuck7362 you have no idea dude. Im a master of most finishes.

[@littlejackalo5326]

Cry more. You've been watching way too many hipster restoration videos and expect everything to be polished to a mirror shine. Keith actually has a life and restored it enough for it to be decent and useful. You're consistently whining like an old broad. Go back to flying drones. LOL. Maybe some day you'll be able to do some man's work. Haha.

[@brettbuck7362]

​@@greavous93 Gee, we had no idea we were dealing with such a top-rank machine shop expert. I guess we should all be glad you took a moment from your busy schedule to provide such constructive criticism.

[@kitmaira]

Here is an image of the jaws you were wondering about that I found on the web. pin.it/34QQQcN