Emmure Accused Of "Scamming" Fans, Frankie Palmeri Reacts

Emmure frontman Frankie Palmeri responds to the backlash.
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[@ElectroNinjaHD]

When Keeping it Real goes Wrong

[@LBLMVP]

Won't you be my bride?

[@Kim2Sung]

Well said sir.

[@of_note]

Another day, anotherday, anotherday anotherday

[@617g7]

Nailed it.

[@placebodomingo3277]

Lmaooooo

[@skylart7131]

Speaking from experience, there is practically no money in metal music. More power to Emmure and any band living the dream!

[@rodrigoserrano659]

Theres definetly money to be made man. Becuase you didnt do it right doesnt mean others can't.

[@inreversal9409]

@@rodrigoserrano659 How does one do it right?

[@rodrigoserrano659]

@@inreversal9409 why do i need to explain myself to you? I dont like it when people discourage others for what they couldnt do. Theres so many people that think that making a living off of metal is so distant and impossible. Like people who have succeeded are "living the dream". People who think like this, will never make it with that mindset. This way of thinking doesn't need to be spread to other people. This goes for anything really, with a mindset this weak you won't get what you want on your own.

[@rigriggerson4949]

The only scam going around is that big gimmick slip knot

[@artyom6167]

@@rodrigoserrano659 You're full of shit, do you think extreme metal genres make the same amount of money that pop music do?

[@stephencox4509]

Man I'm not even a fan of emmure but come on, if Pantera would have had a deal like this when I was a kid and I had the $100, I'd have been all over it and stoked to do so. Music fans are such idiots with their holier than thou horseshit. Guess what guys, if the bands can't support themselves with their music and touring, they stop making music and touring to get regular ass jobs so they can do stuff like eat and pay the rent/mortgage.

[@jasperc9036]

Agree. He did nothing wrong.

[@jasonbracewell6279]

Fuck. Some bands tour and work regular jobs to get by. Every show I go to, I try to buy merch from one of the smaller bands on the bill. Not a ton of money in heavy music. Especially smaller bands struggling to make it.

[@nickspencer9018]

I thought this too haha, fuck I would have paid 300 to get the same deal for pantera and that was a time bands actually made good money.

[@AustinPowerz-bn5ry]

I absolutely love that this video came to Emmure's defence. Good for you man. It is hard out there, and yes they deserve support.

[@SomeBlackGuy]

How is that a scam? Lol some people man

[@RockFeed]

I know bro. 🤦‍♂️

[@joelmacy9558]

Great to see you here man !!

[@SaboTajh]

It wasn't a scam, but handled poorly and could have had a positive response with better planning.

[@heyitsdamos]

I see you unexpectedly all over KZbin dude lol

[@elicarrier2462]

This guy didn't deserve a single bit of the hate that he got. 100 dollars for VIP passes and other benefits is a great deal. He was just doing his big to contribute to his band.

[@paulfisher759]

I don't see anything wrong with what he did

[@AustinPowerz-bn5ry]

If I wasn't tightening my budget, I would gladly play 100$ for some Emmure merch and whatever

[@paulfisher759]

@@AustinPowerz-bn5ry agreed

[@turkeytrailhoneybeefarmgeo6292]

It's a fan club. I joined the KISS Army in 1976. If I remember correctly it was $25.

[@redactedaudioworks9407]

I dont think he shouldve privately messaged people about it. I can see why people would be put off by that, but the whole deal actually sounds pretty sick

[@Slypooch]

Especially when he says “true fans” that seems manipulative. Should have done a crowdfunder

[@Cactus270]

Either way, it’s none of your business. What they do is their choice

[@redactedaudioworks9407]

@@Slypooch or just posted publicly straight on social media. The limited spots wouldve filled so fast AND people wouldnt have got the wrong idea

[@redactedaudioworks9407]

@@Cactus270 its absolutely none of my buisness! Just sharing an opinion on a news story

[@morganthem]

@@redactedaudioworks9407 yeah I mean emmure is pretty badass, maybe frankie was getting squirrely and wasnt sure he could get the support without private messages. If I had it I'd be in the cult, I'm just broke.

[@tatchueable]

Sounds like hes just cutting out middle men who get a cut of the proceeds. Nothing wrong with that. These bands make shit for money these days. Let them get creative.

[@lequack7399]

I think record label pulled its strings on this one, gotta have a cut...

[@fromkingsstudio1413]

How is it any different then joining outsidethe9?

[@ryummon]

Right? I understand that Stone Sour also has an exclusive fan club you pay to be in. And I'm sure many other bands have them. What I'm confused about is, why did he do it through instagram DM to only a select few? Rather than setting it up through the official website like all the other bands that do it, and give a chance to everyone. I think that is why it looked shady.

[@elliottjesser2813]

That was my point put it on their band page. Then if your want to reach out from your personal page that I would be like ok with.

[@crowing3886]

@@ryummon i feel like he did it because it is completely not through the label. Which means 100% band profit. Most fan clubs are through the labels an they take most of the cut. An he also specified it being a limited thing. But on paper this isn't any difference than any band fan club. It's just that frankies name is attached to it soo people assume the worst. No different if jonny craig did this(actually he did with a album kickstarter an scammed fans 😅). People would be sceptical just because of frankies track record.

[@curly9434]

Dido!!!

[@XX-bo5pb]

It’s a patreon... just an “unofficial” one...... they did nothing wrong

[@johnloughner6572]

As a musician I truly love hearing what you had to say about this. I have to work a full time job, and teach guitar on the side, as well as scrap metal to get by. It's hard out there in this economy.

[@guitardude32787]

Emmure is on tour with As I Lay Dying right now

[@wp8218]

Rodney Altenbaugh seeing both of them next week:) can’t wait

[@guitardude32787]

Nov 19 here in Houston! It's on!!

[@blakematthews9694]

After the burial too. Awesome lineup

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

I like Emmure's music. I met a girl back in 2014 who took a picture with Frankie Palmeri on her phone, and she showed me, she gave him a shoulder hug. I have been a long time fan of Emmure. I would love to be on his Emmure cult lol.

[@floydsemlow8253]

😂❤ same

[@thesummit615]

Dude. I wasn’t big into this channel before, but I 100% respect the fuck out of your stance on this. People who aren’t real fans of music or unaware of the ways of the industry haven’t a clue.subscribed!

[@jeremy8189]

Outrage culture is so tiring anymore .... like why is this even something Emmure has to defend

[@Rob_Cary]

Because THIS is the guy who did it. People are desperate to hate on Frankie cuz they hate the fact that he has a good band now. Chances are, they most likely don't listen to anything better.

[@yourguitarpal]

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. I'm an aging musician still struggling and still believing in what I do so seeing someone spreading this kind of message warms my heart.

[@rjryder1472]

I like Emmure.I will keep listening to them! 🤘

[@ShinraXSoldier]

I'd give $100 to Frankie and Emmure with nothing in return, for the enjoyment of their music over half my life. It's worth more to me than the $100.

[@tommyfraz.]

That is actually a brilliant idea. Hell, I have seen Venues (show location and show adjacent sites), ticket sellers, and other bands charge $200-$300 for a “meet and greet”, not even a true VIP experience. Some bands, that’s a “fair” amount, but they are not seeing half of that money. I’m all for bands getting their a majority of their worth, so them doing a fan club service is cool with me, you don’t have to buy it. I remember when Spineshank did their reunion tour in 2011, they came to a small town in Nebraska, and only 50 people showed up. They were nothing but awesome. They invited me to stay and hangout. I thought it would be 10 minutes (if I was lucky), I was there two hours. I ended up buying them all a round of drinks and they invited me backstage when they came back through 8 months later. I sucks to think a band is trying to offer an experience (yes, a paid one) and a few butt hurts ruin it for those that would be down.

[@Wiggimus]

Wait, wait, wait... There's a huge difference between donating money to a band and video game loot boxes. There former happens all the time. There are SO MANY musicians here on KZbin that have Patreon accounts where you can do exactly that. You see where the money goes and those who donate are rewarded accordingly. Loot boxes, however, are actual robbery. NOBODY who plays video games want them there. At all. They only sell so well because they not only play to people's addictive tendencies, but most of the time, gamers are strongarmed into buying them. That was a terrible comparison, man.

[@TheKe7en]

Sounds like a classic case of not keeping up with the times. You can still get scammed with patreon though.

[@Wiggimus]

@@TheKe7en "Not keeping up with the times"? I... don't understand what you mean by that... But of course you can get scammed through Patreon. Scams can happen anywhere. However, if you find an artist's Patreon page, chances are that you know enough about that person to see whether or not your money will go where you want it. But there are no positives about loot boxes. Absolutely all of them are designed to steal from gamers. Literally, no game is made better with loot boxes, no gamer wants them in their games.

[@elus1ve0ne64]

Man ! the music industry has gotten to the point where it’s not worth the hassle to create, record, market, tour, network and hustle asses off. There’s not much reward in terms of financial gain. Especially for metal musicians ! So what he was doing was trying to create a way for dedicated fans to get a little extra content by pitching in to the cause .. there are numerous you tubers that do that same thing but they don’t call that a scam. It’s beyond disappointing what has happened to the music industry. Seriously, these dudes bust their ass !

[@frost9344]

Quick question, why do people hate on emmure? Is it because he wears hats?

[@Straw_Breaker]

It’s legit because they think the music is trash in a similar manner to that of Attila. Now me personally, I think their newer stuff is pretty alright but the older songs just sound like endless, mindless chugging. I can understand the appeal, but for the most part it’s just not for me. Never really hated them though.

[@frost9344]

Ok. I just wanted to know. I don’t think their newer songs are bad myself. But I just wanted to understand why the hate.

[@iletthedevilin828]

I wouldnt say I hate emmure but personally theyre one of those bands where I pretty much can only enjoy in a live setting. I love chugs but so much of their early stuff just puts me to sleep when I try to listen to it.

[@ZaneTv254]

I would find it odd if I was getting a direct email from an actual member only cause there is so many scams of people pretending to be famous people to scam money, someone was pretending to be yelawolf on Instagram trying to get money, there is so much out there I don’t think it was totally about Frankie, how do you know who is emailing you?

[@grubbybum3614]

Well if his Twitter/Facebook profile confirms the email, then there's no problem

[@MKFamilyVlog]

this was the best take on this issue I've seen. You hit every nail on every head.

[@DarthNick666]

I met him when they came up to Alaska years back and he was out in the crowd taking pictures and taking with everyone and anyone who came out. Seemed like an all around good dude.

[@darkallyrecordings4931]

I understand. They put something out there without completely thinking it through. Look at it as getting one lump sum from your fan base to basically buy in and never have to spend another dime. Its a good idea but it should have a higher buy in rate. Guest list needs to be thought through thoroughly. The guest list could be used to advantage if you utilize it right. It would be a way to almost guarantee a good turn out if all buy ins showed for the show. Financially it would be a great idea. It should be done at the beginning of every Personal Emmure Tour. It would be a good way to get up funds for the potential tour. It would be a good way to gauge the potential success for the tour as well. It leaves room to make adjustments to ensure the tours success.

[@robbythunder6386]

Right on brotha! My perception is on the same lane on this topic.. On Another note! I always love hearing the double bass drum kicks at the end of the intro music 😎

[@andreamarie1347]

Man I just bought a cd that's still in the wrapper!!! Not to mention, that I've been to over 100 concerts and just bought an Alter Bridge hoodie to support my band

[@ExaltedMarauder]

Emmure is playing with After the Burial and As I Lay Dying on the Shaped By Fire tour. I think this might be what you was referring to. Also, as far as the $100 for VIP passes/membership, who cares? If a fan is happy and they want to pay for that, then that should be between the band and the fan. People need to pay for shit and money can be tight! The experience of seeing/meeting your favorite bands is unlike any other high. I met Frankie so many years ago in Cleveland, Ohio. I bought 2 self/titled Emmure CDs, one to leave sealed and signed, the other opened to listen to. When the sealed CD got around to Frankie he flagged me down and was like "Hey your not gonna sell this on eBay, is you?" I said "no lol" he said "well how are you going to listen to it, it's still sealed?" I pulled the opened copy out of my pocket, and his jaw dropped! He goes "man, we need more people like you in the music scene!" (Alas, I did time, and all my stuff was stolen/destroyed. I had a tub of unopened/signed CDs like that. It hurts to think about it. It was like 11 years ago.) I plan on going to see the Shaped by fire tour soon. If I get a chance to say hi to them or As I Lay Dying or after the burial I'll let you know!

[@robertmedeiros5112]

This is why there are so few new metal band coming out and so few bands stay together. They can't afford to be a musician!

[@theredgoatviking4686]

It’s sad really. We can think shit rap music for having true talented artists struggling.

[@Heyyofryman]

Idk Frankie has always been cool whenever I talk with him on twitter and irl at shows 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@devinharwood6010]

This is the best video you’ve ever made. So many good points, spot on 👍🏼👍🏼

[@VoxParanoia]

I totally agree with your point at the end. I have a friend that is a very talented guitarist and we made a lot of cool music when we were younger that I believe could have taken us somewhere. But we gave it up because there was no money in making metal unless youre trying to get played on rock radio stations and that was not the art we were trying to create.

[@joeymendez1481]

Even if you’re a fan of Emmure or not, just supporting talented artists should be what this industry is all about. Remember people, labels profit from talent...not the artists. This isn’t a fuckin’ scam. This is an artist asking support from their true fans in exchange for a future experience that the labels can’t steal from them. Hell, I’d donate $100 to this cause, just for principal...

[@natewright1030]

Great video. I at first reacted negatively about Frankie before I watched the vid, but you changed my mind about it. 100$ is a lot, but with how the music industry is these days, you have to do this kinda shit to give back to the fans and keep your band going. These days it takes a miracle to make it in this industry for a new up and coming band, and even bands like Emmure who have been around more then 10 years it can still be a struggle. Keep up the great content Rock Feed! 🤘

[@Day0One]

I know of bigger fans that would love to do that with Emmure, But they don't have that kind of money, and the little money that they do have is spent on their concerts. Most fans are on the poor, lower-middle-class, That can not afford that extreme... But help build and spread the word for Emmure to become this big... This is (prejudiced/biased/discriminatory) against the middle-class and the lower-class... things were so... Different in the '(1970's -&- '1980's Punk-Rock era)... We all help each other some way, some-how... And try to include our whole fan-team... I'm so tire of the rich getting escorted to the front of the line and by past the rest who been waiting online for hours or even days... (rain or snow).

[@titfacemcgruff4166]

I don't see anything wrong with it. Sounds like AFI's Despair Faction.

[@roblouwcontent]

You couldn't have said it any better. Respect to Emmure and Frankie always you guys rock and keep going. It's 2020 nearly the business model is changing.

[@BugOperator]

I think the fact that they were targeting fanatics of the band (aka: people most likely to give them money without asking questions) and individually soliciting "donations" from them via direct message instead of posting something publicly for everyone to see was the sketchy part. I don't know whether this went on long enough to see whether or not the band actually followed through with what they were promising to those who gave them the money, but the fact that they were calling it a "donation" rather than a "subscription fee" is sort of a legal loophole that essentially means "you're giving us money out of the goodness of your heart and we technically don't guarantee to owe you anything in return." The only thing they were guaranteeing was to be signed up for a mailing list. Everything else was deemed "accessible" to those who paid; meaning that, yeah, they would be able to have the ability to "access" the VIP merch & guest list spots that others wouldn't, but there could be an additional fee or some other commitment in order to actually get it. So I can see why this got backlash.

[@lambgoat]

i agree with everything Brian said here. There's nothing weird about fans paying $100 for VIP perks or whatever and don't certainly don't think Frankie is outright trying to scam people. However, there is something strange about privately soliciting donations without any sort of transparency. Those who pay for video game extras get their goods immediately. There's no guarantee that people who send $100 would ever get anything. If they did, it would be a great deal, for sure. The approach here was awkward and I can't imagine Frankie didn't anticipate any sort of blowback. Long live Emmure.

[@johnhester2864]

Frankie is chill af. Met them all in Shreveport Louisiana years ago when ill nino opened for them. Insanely good show and the whole band was down to earth. Good dudes

[@Subtractinginfini]

Let the fans willing to pay... Let em be happy.. it's their choice, and money... none of it came off as a "scam". To many assholes want to ruin everything for everyone.

[@prossdawg]

I would personally pay it if was to get the benefit like it said

[@JohnnyGingy]

People are probably mad cause he was basically soliciting by DMing people... if he released an AD saying the same thing as the DM did. I don’t think anyone would be mad.

[@dainodawg3160]

its just the same "fan texting scam" shit that ninja blew up in the news with. He literally just got a partnership with a company who said "for every x amount of people who text this number, you receive x amount of dollars"

[@frost9344]

People would hate on anything in today’s world. It’s sad really. I don’t see anything wrong with it myself.

[@frankjimenez98]

I don't get it ... Emmure gets hated because of them wearing hats and now because of this..

[@phillipg7315]

They’re just getting their hustle on, go get that $$$ Emmure!

[@Devin_Burke94]

So does anybody wanna buy a Mac book?

[@squeegied3rdeye713]

Sounds like he did nothing wrong

[@themodernbard1228]

Honestly more underground bands that deserve recognition for their hard work should do something similar to this concept. I would most definitely support a band like Fit for An Autopsy or Slaughter to Prevail for an opportunity like that!

[@leroy92TX]

I really loved their first 2 albums

[@semmert]

It sounds like a good deal, honestly. if you're a fan of the band.

[@michaelh.8260]

Im with Frankie. You go bro! People have a choice to sign up for this. This band is worth supporting! Good metal is priceless these days...

[@serenaally]

I love Emmure and I don’t see the problem with this! I wish it was still available I would sign up.

[@Wingedoverphotos]

Had I of known about it I would of done it. People always gotta ruin the little shit others enjoy

[@kevinmcdougle2975]

I am completely 100 percent in agreeable with what he just said. There are some really talented artists in rock and metal walking away from the industry or who have been fearful to show any of their secretive creations in fear of. Being ridiculed and torn apart over money. But of course you need that money to get new gear, you get to keep metaling, you get to play guitar.

[@matthewlivingston3168]

I remember a few years ago Thy Art is Murder had a long time member quit because all that touring equated to a minimum wage job after his cut was prorated after merch sales etc.

[@Ichabod_Jericho]

Being a fan takes many forms. Sometimes that means buying the physical CD, a t-shirt, or settin down $100 for a couple shows and a keychain or somethin. As long as you support your favorite artists!!

[@gargantus5]

Totally agree with you metal musicians now are living off of scraps and I don't believe there is anything wrong with them offering a premium experience if the party is willing to pay for it.. Makes you wonder how much of that negativity was pushed via the music industry being upset because they were unable to get something out of it...

[@alexo.2978]

Hey in his defense, he answered a message in that time frame and didn’t ask for shit like that ! Just casual chat! Lol but I agree if a person is dedicated than let it happen!

[@SparkySINN]

I love the rant at the end !!!! PAY THE ARTISTS !!!! WE ARE BECOMING SO POOR !!!! 😭😭😭

[@12dick]

Well kiss sold their fan 3200 for meet and greet them . What's the difference.

[@michaelfox933]

Please western union money to my local crack dealer!

[@broskimate7217]

Haha what's the routing number

[@alexsterling739]

It sounds like it’s more about the method of advertising, not the reason. Sounds like a good idea, but I think making a video to post on all the social media’s would have been received better?

[@JShadow6661]

I reached out to him offering him my money for such experience. Making a 5hr drive to go see him play in Houston with their upcoming tour with As I Lay Dying

[@FirestarHart]

Man, people have a hard time parting with just $1 Dollar nowadays. I have personal experience with this, because at my current stage in my Content Creating Career, I’m at the mercy of my audience more than ever. And here’s the thing, if 200 people were to donate $1 Dollar to the Content Creators they watch, that’s $200 Dollars for the Content Creator. Nobody’s asking people to break the bank, they’re asking for their audience for support so they can keep making a living providing entertainment to said audience.

[@whoisPURGE]

the problem with this is that it's a "DONATION"...

[@tyhassler9060]

He should have kept the money he made.

[@scottgrayson1464]

I don’t find any problem with what he did. In fact, it’s smart on his part. Bands should be doing this.

[@kishinasura3962]

How is this any different than youtubers plugging patreons and ig influencers having fans only accounts?

[@kevinmcquade1688]

Purchasing something you regret buying doesn’t make it a scam

[@michaelhart5087]

If i recalled correctly. Mad Child did the same thing with bax war fan-club. you pay $100 for some shirts and flags n shit. and alot of people got scammed and never received there money

[@MideonProductions]

Great Video, thanks.

[@erikhashem9635]

Will you ever play a video of the person saying the quotes instead of you saying it? Just wondering 🙏

[@seanonthespectrum8724]

I don't see what Frankie has done wrong here. For $100 he's offering something which by the looks of it over time would cost way more. It's completely ridiculous that this was deemed a scam. I'm not a huge emmure fan by any means but of the fans want to pay this and get this access then why shouldn't he bring in a business model for it?

[@joelmacy9558]

Great video man I didn’t understand the hate either 🤷‍♂️

[@NealBones]

So 100 bucks for(from what I gathered) free tickets for multiple shows, VIP status at the venues, and free/exclusive merch, is somehow worse than 150 for a one time VIP at a show?

[@lemniscatefortunecanfinall2707]

The allegations only caught on because the solicitations were made via his personal account and not made through the OFFICIAL account that's the reason that comes to the forefront of my mind.

[@garrett4299]

Frankie is the most vilified dude in metalcore. It’s ridiculous. The dude cares about his fans. He’s done edgy stuff, but he’s not gonna fuck over the people who support him

[@mr.stinky41]

I understand Frankie’s POV. It’s not a bad idea!

[@jessiecooper8532]

Well said, sir.

[@JustAPairofLegs]

Man I really like the guy who runs this

[@bachsoutdooradventures]

I love emmure and would love to help the artists I love. In the shitty music industry we have.

[@NoShameIncome]

Probably some people all up in arms who decided to 'hate' on them just like people do with their music. I've spent over $2k buying rare stuff from one of my favorite bands, I see no reason why spending $100 on a VIP experience would be a problem.

[@michaelcosta7235]

They are touring with As I Lay Dying, and I got tickets.

[@FRKNSTN_music]

So Frankie was years ahead of patron and they call that scamming? Lol.

[@AFuckinBest]

Can't think of the last comment I've written a comment but good words good words on the industry brotha.

[@metrain3751]

very well said my friend

[@anthonyyoungberg4236]

I would have been down for that and paid 100. I love emmure!!!!

[@tylersurette8976]

I've literally paid $120 in the hip hop scene for the exact same thing and no one said a word when Madchild and Battleaxe Warriors did it and prolly still do

[@Qeoa]

And this is why social media sucks. You try to use it for good. A few people gather up their pitchfork mafia and shit on something. Just constant negativity and hating.

[@adriannefrias8563]

Emmure is a class act.

[@chrisg9573]

Wouldn't really call it a scam if he tells them right up front how much it costs and people willfully pay. Sounds like a normal transaction. $100 is a bit much for any band but he wasn't lying about the cost.

[@TheVermifuge]

It’s a business proposition. Take it or leave it. Your choice

[@ItalianWarrior777]

Frankie*

[@chrissyreese3303]

I love them! I would of definitely given him 100 for all that! "LeAve Frankie aLone!"

[@Themarshmillowface]

Don’t see an issue with this.