Patriotic Alliance | McKenzie unpacks insights from Orania visit

Patriotic Alliance leader Gayton McKenzie spoke with eNCA's Heidi Giokos. Courtesy of #DStv403

[@BuhlebzNetwork]

Living in a place where there is no crime no unemployment, clean and there is respect for life is a great thing let the Oranians enjoy their hard work

[@Superrandomz768]

Yebo my brother. Preach it !!!💯💪🏽🙏🏽

[@mabhodlelajj1195]

True

[@Deontjie]

There are places in Natal where blacks do the same, without anyone complaining. Only difference is that in the Natal cases, the South African government pays them, and the local black kings, millions each year.

[@RazerOnYoutube]

Thank you

[@Koloviv48i]

The guest with his stomach alone and ignorance tell you about the reason why blacks in South Africa can not take back their country from this settlers.

[@mornecoetzee2756]

The most crucial difference between Orania and the rest of South Africa is that there is no ANC in Orania

[@tshiamomaremela6870]

And Oranian Citizens are the beneficiaries of what was stolen in apartheid

[@kpaxchocho3327]

Say it clear please. there are no black people

[@ShirleyMasurik-cp4gb]

No EFF either

[@itumelengmosailane1192]

Lol I feel sorry for them especially when Africa unite from scratch

[@morrisdavidmullings9833]

Morne Coetzee because black people ain't allow there.

[@etiennejoubert7461]

I appreciate that Gayton visited Orania and that he is willing to share his experience and observations. We've just returned from Japan and I can attest that the entire country runs that way - a country of 124 Million people. Also, newcomers to Japan do not enforce their culture onto Japanese culture but respect the Japanese culture and adjust to it. Orania's insistence on people accepting and respecting their culture is not so unreasonable.

[@Aquamariene21]

This!! Homogeneous society works better than a diversitied country because there is a common culture and therefore everyone has the same expectations and goals for their community❤

[@tshiamomaremela6870]

Do you know the Dutch emposed their culture when they came here in the 16s?...That community is the result of Apartheid ...You don't see these kind of black communities in Europe, Forcing Europeans to adapt to their culture

[@khoibrewmzansi3433]

Did they steal the land from the indegenous people ? Did they opress anyone? Hou op stront praat

[@zamokuhlemahlaba778]

Personally I think we should not compare Japan to South Africa. Firstly 99.2% of people in Japan have Japanese as their first language. Secondly Today, there are 3 major distinct languages spoken by people in Japan. Those are the Standard Japanese, also called Nihongo by the Japanese people themselves, the Ryukyuan languages, and the Okinawan languages. South Africa has a beautiful and diverse cultural community with different religions and beliefs. In conclusion a homogeneous system can never apply in South Africa simply because we cannot choice one particular race to dominate and side line others.

[@etiennejoubert7461]

@@zamokuhlemahlaba778 Hi and thanks for responding to my comment. I agree that Japan being homogenous versus South Africa being heterogenous makes for challenging cultural alignment. I was referring to Orania. The origin of Orania is founded on cultural homogeneity. The founders stated that they wanted to protect their cultural homogeneity. This, more than ethnicity was the driving force behind Orania. This is why I stated that they require people that join their community to respect the culture. This is similar to Japan. Foreigners that live and work in Japan accept and respect the culture. In fact, the Japanese will not tolerate anything else. This homogeneity supports order and prosperity. This is the similarity that I referred to. There are many more reasons why Japan is such a success story in recovering from the second world war and especially the destructive after effects of the two atom bombs.

[@thembimaseko9600]

Bravo Orania they are showing us how to start from scratch.

[@NadimGasaki]

🙏

[@shawnberry6110]

Went there with my family over the weekend and the kids were playing with my 2 year old. The older girl (around 7/8) was like a mother, taking care of my toddler while my wife and I were eating at the restaurant. They spoke to us in English and were all really friendly. We left our keys, wallets and Ray Bans on the table while walking around and IT WAS STILL THERE WHEN WE RETURNED!!!! And like Gayton says, they all greet! Even while driving past you in their car, they will greet you. People standing in the street will stop what they are doing and lift up their hand. And yes, it is one big construction site! They are developing so fast that they are building houses where there aren't paved roads yet. This 'Cape Coloured' was pleasantly surprised.

[@olsaffa7679]

Hi Shawn. I have not had the pleasure to visit there. The description of everybody greeting lands well with me. I grew up in a typical Western Cape small town and remember, when I was still a kid, how everybody would greet everybody else. You would be expected to lift your finger off the steering wheel as a greeting so often that it wasn't funny. People would give a slight knod of the head or, like many men wearing hats, they would touch the rim of their hats or grab the top and slightly lift it off. Coloured and white people (there weren't black people living in the town but one man named Mike - late 70's early 80's).

[@churmnlallhargoon4884]

😊😮

[@marieslabbert6009]

I am very impressed by Gayton's objective comments about Orania. They are so successful, because they have a common vision and culture. All of them work towards the same goal, there is no infighting, corruption and greed. They work together, not against each other.

[@NadimGasaki]

Thanks for understanding 🙏

[@user-ww5qw8jd3b]

It shows that white people are successful by nature

[@nataliemartin1232]

Brilliant move Mr, Mackenzie. You can learn from everyone and engage with everyone. It allows you to be open-minded so that when you lead, you lead progressively and you won't lead from behind.

[@MONDEFREEDOM-eg9xp]

😊❤😊😊😊

[@MONDEFREEDOM-eg9xp]

😊😊

[@mk-xq1tt]

Secret ? Law, order, integrity and honesty - always a winning combination.

[@jameskillu9171]

A robber visit orania and all he see are laptops left in cars

[@TycoonRR]

😂

[@junehlongwane]

Easy as that.

[@simonboyane1140]

​@@jameskillu9171 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@thembelandesi4741]

The town being extremely clean is what I am most interested about because WOW Johannesburg is DIRTY. I have a cleanup community and it's so tough to get neighbours involved and come to cleanup their own neighbourhood all they do is complain but no action. So it's a deep issue.

[@tonythebomb4147]

No just Johannesburg city but even suburbs are littered.

[@jvdm9317]

This girl has no idea. She doesn't even know why national holidays exist and what they are for. But she interviews important guests. And she tried to throw the people of Orania under the bus all the time, to the point where she was even irritating a non-white person like this guy. I think eNCA should have a look at the standard of their interviewers.

[@elsadupreez4324]

Very poor standard from this’girl’. I cannot call her professional. Also condescending to call out ‘cheesy joke’ . Disappointing

[@rupertmarx4750]

Yeah, she just can NOT get over "racism", it is so hard for her to accept Greyton's views. Standard MSM shill.

[@danolinemadyegaswa5827]

This girl ne yuh

[@laspalms8620]

All eNCA reporters

[@meadervanwyk4722]

I don't think you can blame the presenter as they were not taught the real history of South Africa in school

[@sisandamazaule4066]

This interview is proof positive, that mainstream media is not in the business of informing people, but rather engineering perception. Gayton is highlighting the fact that they are a well organised society, the interviewer ignores that and insists on them being racist and the man keeps saying, we can learn so much from them, no the interviewer goes on for twelve minutes of a sixteen minute interview on racism, have we been conditioned to be so negative that we can't even recognize a system that works and can be of benefit to us, it's disheartening indeed.

[@kopza79]

Wena, you must be ignorant for believing this propaganda

[@AlvinoHorn]

I agree with you. Our government should've gone this route in 1994 and said, let's learn to run the country like the Afrikaners did. The whole world knows what they did wrong, but it would've benefitted us more to learn what the Apartheid government did right.

[@chrisgodfrey2742]

The interviewer was INDEED pretty determined to impose her own or her paymasters bias

[@kpaxchocho3327]

Shut up plz. Orania exist because they don't see us as humans. Stop supporting nonsense

[@kwazirich8447]

Bruh!

[@thembamsiza1528]

Well done Kenny and White people of Orania some of us South Africans we celebrate you guys. We see good gorvenemce and practice. And there is nothing wrong or racist with you wanting to exclude yourself and practice your culture and way of life the way you see fit for yourself. Well done don't listen to jelouse ANC some of us blacks we want same separation let ANC remain with ANC supporters and let's look back 5 years from now

[@bone-headMedia]

Uyislima vele!

[@Superrandomz768]

Wow Themba you are a true champion. It's obvious that the majority is fine with it and everyone wants to live in peace. Respect brother.

[@Superrandomz768]

@@bone-headMedia mampara!

[@user-ne3ws6pk6o]

Tell it like it is, Political parties are no longer needed in South Africa. Especially if they are not able to speak CHINESE, RUSSIAN, or KORIAN.???.

[@thembamsiza1528]

​@@Superrandomz768 They build themselves up again from scratch. Clean town, good education, good health systems and education, no crime or loadshedding. No reports of corruption and stealing. What did we build? We destroyed well oild machine SAA, SABC, railways the list is endless filth everywhere and collapse of law and order. You jealous of whit ppl is killing you. Rather learn and aspire how they do it....5 years from now you will be taking you CV to Orania looking for a job..whos is mampara now?

[@gregorydebeer4531]

Orania privately bought, and built on 8,000-hectares. Safe, clean, 0% unemployment, housing schemes, a trust bank, continually developing, and plans are in place to be completely off-grid (unaffected by continuous load-shedding), pretty self-sufficient as a town, producing most of what it needs, from pecan nuts to vegetables. It also rears livestock and takes care of its electricity infrastructure. It pays taxes to South Africa. Not a relic of the past but in many ways futuristic (with hope of an even better future). In contrast, The Ingonyama Trust is the nominal owner of some 2.8 million hectares of land in KwaZulu-Natal. In 1997, an amendment to the Trust Act established the Ingonyama Trust Board. With his coronation, the sole trustee of the Trust is now Ingonyama yamaZulu, King Misuzulu. The KwaZulu-Natal provincial government has hiked the budget for the royal household unit, which takes care of the needs of Zulu King Misuzulu kaZwelithini. The current financial year’s budget allocation for the unit stands at R79 million, representing a R12 million increase from the previous year’s R67 million allocation. The land that falls under the Trust includes the Makhasaneni community located near the town of Melmoth. The experience of the Makhasaneni community is an example of the failure of the Ingonyama Trust Board to protect the land rights of communities. It has authorised commercial mining activities without proper community consultation. This has deprived the community of its informal rights to land. A recent judgment of the Pietermaritzburg High Court was scathing. It reprimanded the Trust for undermining the rights of rural communities by converting their land rights into “lease agreements” and then charging exorbitant fees for occupation of land that the communities already had the right to be on. In KwaZuu-Natal, approximately 59.3% of young people aged between 15 and 34 years are unemployed." The provincial economy was estimated to have peaked at 4.2% in 2021 while the real output was projected to retreat somewhat to 1.7% in 2022 and 2023. I am not apportioning all the blame to the Ingonyama trustees, this is just a useful comparison. The ANC are the ones who have been ruling after all. From the comparison, it is clear to see that the one gives, and the other one takes. The one cares not for oneself, but for its community. The other one thinks of self enrichment, primarily. The one thinks long term. The other thinks only of the present. And so on and so on. It seems to me that the Afrikaner way is not the problem, but part of the solution. At the end of the day, you get what you vote for. “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” (Attributed to) Albert Einstein. Put differently, Insanity is voting for the same party over and over again and expecting different results. I don't know what the political solution is, and I am not punting the DA, VF+ etc, I just know that the ANC is not the answer, and as long as we keep voting for them, we will get the same results and stay on the same downward trajectory. A forecast of worsening unemployment, crime, filth, lawlessness, lower standards of education, weakening of the rand, poverty, homelessness, grid collapse, contaminated drinking water, unprotected beaches, less tourism, less international investment, food insecurity, worse public health care facilities. The list goes on. In fact, one would be hard pressed to think of two or more positive outcomes from the ANC staying in power. Is this the future we want for ourselves, our children, grand-children and theirs? Have we know pride in who we are as humans, irrespective of race, religion, etc?

[@jaysomeone]

And there you have it. Where GOD is, there is a different mindset, a different everything. Figure it out! Afrikaners are Christians, law abiding, God fearing and ardent worshippers I n Oranje. That's the kind of vision I would like to support and not condemn.

[@sistersister8855]

Ek hoor "cause i didn't ask them for diesel money "😂😂

[@katz-yd2yu]

No matter how much u would like to justify, these are black lands and no white mans businesses how blacks manage their own home. This notion that a white government is the solution is childish, unrealistic and selfish since these are black lands for black people. Either whites learn to share, teach and assist black governments throught their expertise or they f off to europe where they belong but a government of white descendants of oppressors is not the solution for the people or the land no matter how good it may appear. White people have proven over and over again that they are only in it for themselves, the same way they improved only their own dwellings and claimed to have brought progress to the whole lands when they only deveolped their own dwellings and cities built on other people's land. Have u no shame or dignity, proud and progressive in another people's land?

[@katz-yd2yu]

@@jaysomeone colonizing christians ya, devilish, intolerant, pillagers, racists etc really funny how people justify their devilish ways using religion. Colonization and Godly faith are 2 contradictories which would also explain all the pills, depression, suicides and more that whites came with. People messed up in the mind who have an outlook on life that does necessarily coincide with reality. How f#d up in the mind do u have to be to justify your illegal existence in another man's home/land. Why can't yall just shut up, be humble and grateful for no punishment for apartheid, black peoples tolerance and acceptance of u even after everything u did to them and consider the fact that most of the country's economy is still in your hands? What more do u want, the return of apartheid? U people are an endless pit that cannot be filled

[@24sevenrecords51]

So true, we can't keep voting for the same failures and think of a change to good. The party that has normalized wrong doing and to them nothing is wrong. To get a job people have to sleep with certain people or be forced to pay money.

[@rhulanifurumele9728]

I don't blame those people in orania, we south African we are so corrupt extremely corrupted, We should learn from orania

[@maekomaeko1555]

What do you think will happen to South africa if we all create our own separate states ? Zimbabweans, Nigerians ,Indians create their own states ?

[@user-ww5qw8jd3b]

Nah, they won't

[@Januarieswealth.]

​@@maekomaeko1555last time I checked Nigerians and Zimbabweans arent south Africans my bro

[@jacqueslandman8044]

​@@maekomaeko1555Then we could look at a federal system such as the United States of America.

[@kylekyle8131]

I like the fact that McKenzie drowned out other peoples perspective, opinions and went there for himself. He collected his own thoughts and opinion, as well as giving the other side a chance to explain. On top of that he took something positive from his experience at Orania.

[@zwai9532]

Gayton should go to a podcast to further explain his Orania experience. Such news platforms because of time will never allow him to tell his story without being mindful of time.

[@prewgeeq7416]

Exactly

[@jvdm9317]

True, and this poor white girl has been so conditioned to be ashamed of her ancestry that she is overly apologetic and pretending to be a anti apartheid activist. Very sad. Look, in the end the facts count. It doesn't matter what your colour is. If your town is clean, it's clean. If there is no unemployment, there is no unemployment, if there is no crime, then there is no crime, if the municipality does its job, then it does its job. Facts are facts. So let's stop feeling sorry for ourselves here. Orania seems to be the best run in the country because it has all the things we aspire to but never achieve. If someone can prove otherwise, please inform me. Until then, it is what it is.

[@advocatecedricmuleya8201]

I like this man’s honesty.

[@FinancialConsultdotcodotza]

He is not...they promise alliance and then vote against their alliances many times

[@dawn1449]

He is a liar. IN HIS OWN WORDS he has a coalition agreement with ANC and EFF. A leaked video where he proves he is lying to us.

[@martinfurman7127]

Nor to be trusted. A thug and will sell your votes to climb the ladder. Gayton chyner my liner. Clever that one.

[@dawasmith2976]

Mr. McKenzie should become the new President of SA, he is open minded, he was willing to see for himself to learn and understand how this is possible. I really hope he can be more involved to make safe, healthier, lawful changes for all. We need a voice and action that really care and wants to make a difference for all South Africans. God bless.

[@andremilfordt8629]

❤

[@tombimashri8149]

And thsts exactly eht he is saying thst he wants unity for all South Africans regardless of colour also pointing out the people who hv been treated unfairly bd left out, This great Man given a chance will bring peace to South Africa, South Africa should be free nd fair gor all South Africans nd so should Law nd order be inforced.

[@dawn1449]

​@@andremilfordt8629he is lying. Leaked video proves he is in alliance with ANC and EFF

[@onsbaizanie805]

There will always be negative people who want to discourage leaders who try to make a difference and yet they do nothing.

[@jameskillu9171]

A xenophobe visiting racists and is impressed

[@kurtbeck3852]

The long and the short is.... In Orania EVERYTHING WORKS...In South Africa NOTHING works

[@movementmathebula828]

ORANIA is outside south Africa 🇿🇦?

[@africa---1927]

Go to orania

[@tebellorankadi]

your a racist as well

[@siyanomagqwathekane3581]

Orania is a racist town in South Africa

[@hendrikperkins8741]

@@siyanomagqwathekane3581 and your point is ??? the whole South AFRICA IS racist EVER SINCE MALEMA WAS BORN

[@elizabethmakuwe7560]

Mr Mckenzie, you r a great leader, I call this positive open mind thinking, We need to learn how good things are achieved, And thank you for approaching our narrative of always criticizing instead of praising

[@sifisotwalamedia]

Everyone is working in Orania, clean lovely. It's seem Johannesburg and Germiston must learn from Orania

[@munghilepheeane8528]

Under the Afrikaans/apartheid government Johannesburg and Germiston were the cleanest towns until foreigners invaded S.A. mostly, Johannesburg!

[@shadrianshadrach3804]

I'm from Germiston and it hurts to see how filthy our place is. The Municaplity really messed things up for us. Big ups to Gayton for going there.

[@LeratoM98]

Considering our history, it's very awkward. But legally, it's private land soo they're not doing anything illegal 🤷🏾‍♀️. Embarrassing though how much more progress they've made vs how rest of SA isn't progressing like that, quite the opposite...

[@JohnBradley-ys4dj]

Hey am very impressed with your profile and personalities.. if you don't mind me asking, where are you from.!!!

[@marabunya]

Not even countries like the US, France and UK have the same socio-economic efficiency as Orania. You can never successfully apply the Orania strategy to a population of millions that comprises of diverse ethnicities, capacities, backgrounds and ambitions. This is 100% impossible to reproduce on a national scale. You can never get rid of slums and shacks, even America has those.

[@khoibrewmzansi3433]

How do you even make that comparison 😮😮😮

[@flux202]

Well that's very myopic. I'd say it's also incredible how Sadton has become one of the richest places in all of Africa. The thing is we are comparing South Africa a while country to a town. We can't compare our whole xountry with complex vast systems and huge lands that cannot be all visited in one week.

[@siyanomagqwathekane3581]

It's working because it's only a European town and that's exactly what they wanted segregation

[@ediharnys7059]

Things work when there is law and order and respect

[@kelvinsravens9988]

Don't forget the Behind doors CORUPTION HAVE YOU LIVED THERE

[@j33psamuels48]

Key word in your statement is RESPECT, everything else would follow easily. First world countries is falling apart simply because there is not more respect.

[@paullombard00]

Funny to see people so shocked and surprised by a normal, basic well-run society.

[@jvdm9317]

Paul, so well said...brilliant comment...!

[@jameskillu9171]

It is only the ganster who is shocked, He is used to doing illegal mining, selling drugs,

[@cathymcdowell5294]

Well said

[@biltong69]

This interview was so slanted to place Orania in a bad light. But they couldn't accept why it works.

[@MrRyuken555]

The reporter keeps asking what is Orania doing different and why it's working? The answer is blatantly obvious, what is different Orania vs South Africa? Orania is nationalistic. One people with a singular vision and therfore getting things done. If you have diverse people in a workforce or society they are not working to a single goal, they are always looking after their own demographics interests and not the overarching interests of the greater group which lead to less success or complete failure. PS: Orania has even been terraforming, planting thousands of trees to increase the arability of the area.

[@edmundwessels2072]

It's true. I've seen a lot of black community projects which failed because of the members not agreeing on decisions taken by some. For instance at a piggery the pigs die but nobody is allowed to do anything until they have a meeting and everybody agrees to treat the animals with what and by who. That is why coalitions won't work in South Afrika.

[@onsbaizanie805]

Wonderful!!!

[@onsbaizanie805]

@@edmundwessels2072 true

[@matomeleseilane8129]

It sound like Orania lives like a Communist/Socialist community where they share everything in common and look after one another. So, Socialism or Communism can evolve and prosper on the African continent, Orania has just proven it. They just lack the statue of Lenin, Marx or Mao Zedong alongside those of Hendrik Verwoerd and the rest of their ancestors.

[@edmundwessels2072]

@@matomeleseilane8129 all systems can work as long as people don't corrupt it. The majority of people practice socialism at home.

[@Bluecollarjoe6B9]

What is controversial about Oraina? Our villages and bantu stans must follow Oriania’s model and move away from government.

[@lylm4147]

You compare Africans with these white racist, land grabbers?

[@Silindelo_Speaks]

I always said I love Oranian, I may not be happy that they discriminate against me but their plans are ground breaking same as Afri forum and Solidarity. They don't steal from their own.

[@onsbaizanie805]

Precisely!!!

[@hildadavids217]

@Silodelo thank you, you described it so well, our politicians only work to fill up their own pocket. People on Orania work hard and teach the young people to work hard. We only know how to steal. When will this stop and then kill each other for public money.

[@hildadavids217]

Apologies Silindelo, butchered your name there.

[@charlesswart133]

Wel said😅

[@jameskillu9171]

They are not fighting foreigners either

[@vincentjansevanrensburg2378]

I went there this weekend, just missed you. It is a phenomenal sight, ORania is amazing

[@abongilenonkelela7726]

If it's that wonderful why didn't you stay there then?

[@vincentjansevanrensburg2378]

@@abongilenonkelela7726 get a life racist

[@wilmaconradie8382]

Why is everything taken as racism, because afrikaans is being labeled everywhere they are just trying to preserve their culture. Everyone else is being allowed to do their thing. Leaves them in peace. I salute them. 👌

[@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087]

This is actually against our bill of rights

[@wilmaconradie8382]

@@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087 : what is? The fact that they are doing very well and are trying to keep their culture from dwindling away against all odds? 🤔

[@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087]

@@wilmaconradie8382 no, what I meant is, that they have a right to practise their culture. To name them apartheid junkies is against the bill of rights.

[@wilmaconradie8382]

@@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087 Sorry for the misunderstanding, but some people only keep to that when it suits them 😭🙈

[@khanyancoyini1053]

Because they racially discriminate. It's not complicated.

[@adrianboshoff1582]

Incredible... success can be so easy if you just govern honestly...

[@yvettedurbangirlsa]

So extremely impressed with Gayton he's an amazing leader. I loved his visit to Beaufort West seeing how this town has turned around and the people of BW are being uplifted. They have an amazing Mayor

[@insanemalik2214]

Gayton is a populist that think knows a lot just because he was in jail he is part of problem in Joburg....

[@Triton777]

We must be living in different realities because I have been a regular visitor in Beaufort West over the last 10 years and it is heartbreaking to see how much it has deteoriated. A mere ghost of the town it once was

[@dinamosia4772]

I salute Orania, smart people

[@tombimashri8149]

For sure they r staying away from problems minding their own business nd still finding themselves in problems.

[@markmall7142]

You have conveniently forgotten that half the white population would not be allowed to settle in Orania. You also forgot that they have had black visitors before and have colabourated with surrounding non white communities before.

[@ernestmashilo7728]

How wouldn't white people be allowed to stay there?

[@abriesteyn6055]

Those people know what they doing other than the anc... I salute Mckenzie..

[@fezimathumbu5753]

I watched a Podcast about Orania, everything they are doing there is good for people, business people, people with ideas, ordinary people , they work together,no government ditacting them. How if we all do the same with Stockfel money and have projects for everyone to benefit ?

[@thembamahlangu9028]

​@OJ what they have currently is working - what we have it isn't. What must we learn? We have to unite do things for ourselves. If we can learn from them let's learn from them instead of advocating for resentment for things of the past. It's okay to admire something if it's working.

[@kwagga777]

If Orania was an all black town, no one would have said it's a racist town. It would be hailed as a great project with its praises sang on news everyday

[@vincentjansevanrensburg2378]

Dude we as tax payers pay 7 African kingdoms to preserve their culture . . . or to give range rovers to their 12 wives . . . anyways, why make noise about a boer settlement when you have the Ngonyama trust with millions of blacks and not 1 non-black . . . lol

[@Thee.Absurdist]

Lol pretty sure some white people and coloreds would say it's a racist town. And would they be wrong?

[@garethrutherford]

Is khayelitsha a white town?

[@soniadevos510]

And they never adopted any upliftment of their town

[@Kingallday7]

No1 wants to visit an all black town..

[@vuyosefalane6173]

One leader hear about Orania and complains about racism. Another goes there sees racism but is inspired by the development in Orania. Leadership matters....

[@SPOK-zz5lj]

No crime No police only a Security and Protection unit Cops come from nearest town if needed .......

[@jameskillu9171]

Orania will see crimes if it start accepting criminals, ex thieves, ex robbers, xenophobes, racists like Gayton

[@lylm4147]

And kill any black person that goes there right. They should have gone and get private land in Holland. Gayron must go buy property there.

[@zevlove612]

An interview with Penuel and Gayton would be most educational on this Orania visit

[@hharrison-parker1606]

The one thing Orania does not have is CORRUPTION and that is the key. Hard working people, pulling together.

[@RainbowMomm]

The people of Orania are the ones that kept South Africa flourishing in the years of sanctions against RSA. They don't steal, or empty the acc's completely, they manage and they are very hard working. Let's give credit where it's due.

[@getalifestopspyinghacker3285]

They still a bunch of racist😂😂😂😂

[@movementmathebula828]

No way ! South Africa wasn't completely sanctioned hence USA was the friend of the Apertheid regime and those who were running the country ran to Australia

[@frikkieramabolo172]

​@@movementmathebula828 Dont talk nonsense. They sanctioned us to hell and back with other western nations why do you think the ANC fled to them after every guerrilla attack. They helped over throw the old Government so That all of their Ming companies can come get our minerals for next to nothing. Why our media outlets are pro-western and why ANC doesn't want to cut ties with their western allies

[@juciyjcurtis7938]

​@@movementmathebula828 my brother can we honestly look to the future please this is for black and white this beautiful country needs us united

[@marabunya]

They're also the same people whose fathers started Apartheid and they formed Orania out of the capital gains of that evil system. Don't brainwash the country into thinking that those people were all righteous and well-meaning South Africans.

[@ziphelelekhumalo9429]

I'm an African, but I respect the efficiency and the spirit of community in Orania. Their leaders are true patriots to their people. On the other hand, our crooks of leaders continue to show why they're the reason our country is a falling apart. I still don't agree that you should be denied access and residency because of your skin though

[@juergenernst1320]

I don't think it's the skin tone. If you were otherwise like them, subscribed to their way of life 100%, their language, customs, values, traditions and culture, your skin tone would not set you apart.

[@tombimashri8149]

Besides it's their peice of land they bought nd paid for it, they can build nd do as they please they are paying their taxes. When one buys a land is it not theirs to build whst they want nd live on it peacefully. These guyz judt want to live peacefully generate their own welfare grow their crops praise their God Mind their own business from all the madness, Now the Race Card is being Played instead of emulating whst they r seeing in Oriana

[@feedstreetchildren6503]

Am a black guy but i support orania town people to make they town be like in heaven

[@joemaritz4744]

I love how the media is pushing the Racism’s word what a laugh it is this is why racism will never die out because of media perhaps we should drop the racism argument and learn from each other well done McKenzie where you come from and how you made your future proud of you sir

[@nkululekomakhubela9756]

How do we learn from each other if you say white only, whites only in South Africa

[@joemaritz4744]

@@nkululekomakhubela9756 perhaps ask simple communication how easy can that be although as you mentioned whites only the immediate reply that they must be racist

[@marabunya]

Racism doesn't die out because those who believe in it want it to be under-reported or never reported at all. Stop poking the media for challenging society to debate issues that affect society.

[@Evie-cx1sw]

​@@nkululekomakhubela9756 mmmh and Soweto....I guess the whites can live there???? Don't throw stones!

[@Heliore]

​@@nkululekomakhubela9756you learn by taking the positives and applying them to your community while being mindful of the negatives so you don't fall into the same trap. If you only kick and shout about the negatives, you won't get anywhere.

[@deliagroer2613]

This man seems to have gone through a lot to come to where he is now. I think he has common sense and that can overcome a lot. Very impressed with what he's dinner as mayor that I know of.

[@siphamandlakunene8458]

I think Gayton Made it clear theres the good and the bad to take out of that place. If different races were accomodated it does sound like an ideal place one wish for. With enough job opportunities for everyone, crime would be very low. He did say that such communities (based on race) should not exist, but theres lot to learn from them cos theres so much they doing right

[@Superrandomz768]

Why should it not exist. They not harming anyone and asking anyone for anything.

[@susanlarhubarbe9475]

A very balanced and objective comment.

[@garagepie]

The people there have a totally different mindset from black South Africans. A simple example is people throwing their rubbish out their car window! It makes out towns and cities look disgusting!

[@mosesmanaka8109]

At least Orania has electricity while we in South Africa need to endure blackouts for 10 hours a day during winter.

[@angieleemans8316]

Gayton we are voting for you abroad ❤

[@JohnBradley-ys4dj]

Hey am very impressed with your profile and personalities.. if you don't mind me asking, where are you from.!!!

[@voorsorg5291]

As a person not from South Africa I have obviously never been to Orania. I have only heard and read about it. However, what I do find fascinating is the fact that it is always mentioned that they are a whites-only town. Now, as far as I know they are also the only whites-only town in South Africa. Media seems to find this interesting and apparently go out of their way to visit Orania and then always comment on this issue of being a white-only town. Now I'm not an expert on South Africa, but I am willing to bet that there are several towns who only has black or brown residents. Most probably limited to one cultural group i.e. Zulu, Xhosa, etc. So, why are people so obsessed with Afrikaners living together as a tribe? What is so unusual about it? Do they make documentaries on Zulu towns and then stand amazed at the fact that the town is only full of Zulus? I think they have isolated themselves from other people to live their own culture. They are not forcing it down on others. Is it not their right? Let them be.

[@djkobusmusicsa3590]

You missed the point altogether, there I no placereserved for only Zulus in SA, no vetting to exclude people from other groups. You essay is long and empty

[@grombleguy3730]

@@djkobusmusicsa3590 yes there is zulu only schools and zulu only places kwaZULU natal. there is black empowerment and proudly black owned try white empowerment and proudly white owned and see how far you get.

[@DocSakhi]

Any race can go stay anywhere in this country.. Orania is private property and anyone can do as they will on their land. Within the confines of the country’s mandate. That’s all ..

[@dizzyizzy1210]

I think we need to start putting our political bullshit aside, and actually talk about what we REALLY need. Infrastructure, service delivery.... basic things which have been denied to us.

[@rangersoldat]

Mr Mckenzie, Hello from California. I want to thank you for your very kind and respectful assessment of Orania. That is exactly what politicians not only in South Africa but around the world should strive to emulate. We need to work together! It is Leaders like you that will create an environment that allows cooperation and growth for us all. I would be very happy if I could travel to SA and meet you. I am inspired by your ideology for progress. I would be grateful if you sent me a direct message and perhaps we could arrange a meeting. You have inspired me! Much respect, ~RS

[@gdewyg]

Leave Orania alone and fix your issues

[@onsbaizanie805]

Leave Gayton alone ...he is exploring!!! The land belongs to God.

[@getalifestopspyinghacker3285]

That land they practice racism on belong to so called coloureds!

[@jameskillu9171]

Exactly, the people of central karoo were demonstrating against the lies of this man, and he is pretending to be an angel from orania

[@williamshakur8715]

In life u have to look up someone

[@tsholofelomocumi4207]

@@jameskillu9171 wena you are trying SO HARD TO PRETEND THAT YOU ARE A SOUTH AFRICAN, YOU WILL DIE A ZIMBABWEAN.

[@nedor64]

I think McKenzie is confused he said he thinks Orania shouldnt exist while he praise them for what they have achieved thus far.

[@smanqele]

It's not an easy topic to traverse, our history. Lots of let-downs and yet lots of opportunities to learn and upgrade. Seems Gayton is honestly trying to extract "the good" from "the bad". That's one aspect of good leadership at least

[@489699]

The Zulus have their own homeland.

[@abongilenonkelela7726]

Difference is Zulus don't reject other people based on their skin color. I know this must be a minor thing for you.

[@beeboonunn137]

The host is asking very dumb questions…. Self determination.. look it up…

[@wirebird8807]

This anchor should educate herself on the topic before she holds an interview. Keeping on pushing the racist card is sickening. How does she not even know what Gelofte dag is. Its a shame.

[@ObelixBarbatus]

Why do the media continue vilifying Orania? It is, within this desert, this failure called South Africa, a place that works - in many senses of the word. I would not be able to live there; I would not fit in. But I do envy their diligence, the fact that the houses don't have high fences around them, that people can amble through the town when the sun sets without having to fear for their lives. Surely freedom of association should extend to these people? If South Africa truly extended language rights, property rights, freedom in all its expressions, to everybody, Orania would not exist, and if it did, it would most probably be a backward, inbreeding place. It is not. Mr McKenzie has done the right thing and has earned my respect - and that of many of my colleagues. My perfect South African place would be a copy of Orania but filled with the diversity of our races and cultures and languages, without the crime and corruption and excuse for political indolence.

[@reteipegal7690]

@jo you ask why is Orania vilified? Only two reasons, nothing more. They are: (1) White Afrikaners (2) Christians. If that was a Black-Zulu only or Indian only, or Arab-Muslim only, they would have been praised and cheered by all.

[@munghilepheeane8528]

Gayton is doing something positive about his life. Those who are doing squat are shouting nonsense from rooftops. Leave Gayton and his Patriotic Alliance alone!!!

[@louisfivaz1367]

Orania simply functions as SA used to. Why shouldn't it? Anc and it's supporters are jealous, they can only look in awe of what they can never be.

[@truth-Hurts375]

Take your rubbish to facebook !!! How many black people live in Orania??? How made South Africa what it was in the past?? You live in a dream.

[@marshathomas6422]

As SA used to during apartheid?

[@victorvelaningongoma8705]

@@marshathomas6422 You probably meant Whites, not SA!

[@marshathomas6422]

@@victorvelaningongoma8705 I’m with you on that, I’m asking this person saying Orianya is functioning well like South Africa used to? So my question is does he mean apartheid? Because South Africa was a failed state

[@zamindlelagwala850]

It takes critical thinking to appreciate that there's something positive we can learn from our enemy.

[@cmavuso6068]

But what can you learn from people who will not want to mix with another race? Where is critical thinking thinking here? We living dangerously in a free South Africa

[@devilliersduplessis7904]

Its not about race, its about Culture. People cant get their head around it

[@jacopieterse8363]

Maybe they're not your enemy.

[@kpaxchocho3327]

Yah allowing an invader to declare terms and conditions in your country, is some kind of stupid

[@ShirleyMasurik-cp4gb]

Never a bad thing to learn from your enemy.

[@berniegovernder9176]

Agree ' We need to engage ' One cannot look back over ones shoulders and expect to go forward' Need to get done and over with the current mentality'

[@skhontuli2700]

engage with racists?

[@subz7352]

"That's a very cheesy joke" lmao Reporter on fire.

[@boniq3173]

Orania can motivate a lot of people, it’s clean, low crime and prosperity

[@jacogrobler8032]

Zero crime

[@jamesfranco4464]

Gayton showed he is a very mature and tolerant man that just wants the best for our country.

[@cathymcdowell5294]

Good for them we need more places like this

[@BuyXRP895]

Reporter is somewhat cringe with her Ignorance

[@heidigiokos23]

My ignorance? Help me understand?

[@vanrensburg3760]

Yes, Heidi you are ignorant. How about you do some proper research about a topic before you go into an interview. Anyone is welcome in Orania for a visit, but to live there you have to meet certain standards. Orania is also really good friends with black community leaders of the Easter Cape where Orania is mentoring them into creating a likeminded community where they can live out there black cultures and freely speak their language. Gayton had good things to say, but you on the other hand with your ignorance were looking for ways to tarnish the name of Orania.

[@jameskillu9171]

she is interviewing a clown.

[@jehonathanabrahams5404]

Makenzie you did great

[@righthererightnow101]

Beliefs morals and culture what's wrong with wanting to be better working together for a better future with unity in mind, with a working economy employment education

[@hildadavids217]

We can learn so much from these people, we can learn so much from these people.

[@tasneembashir4880]

Welldone Gayton McKenzie! Your visit was definitely informative. You took good steps towards benchmarking by going through Orania.

[@onsbaizanie805]

Agreed!!!👌

[@JohnBradley-ys4dj]

Hey am very impressed with your profile and personalities.. if you don't mind me asking, where are you from.!!!

[@onsbaizanie805]

@@JohnBradley-ys4dj who me?? the Cape ofcourse!

[@onsbaizanie805]

@@JohnBradley-ys4dj by the way some people here in the community say I'm their Helen Zilla😂😂😂😂

[@nbrosanbrosa3945]

Cant stand this women with her constant jibes, you want to talk "non racial South Africa" with 119 race based laws? Lesotho has a country for Lesothos only, Eswatini has a country for Eswatinis only, Engonyama trust has a trust for Zulus only, all South Africans should prescribe to this way of thinking. Very poor distasteful eNCA report. prior to 1902 & the founding of the union of South Africa on the blood of the Boer women and children, all communities lived like this. Besides Western portion of South Africa is a desert, historically no bantus lived there FACT!

[@waterson1955za]

Thanks for PA leader to visit and know the best for orania and outside of SA.and others who visited orania before Thanks for engaging them going forward

[@edwinramokone9052]

This is inspiring

[@ianvandyke3996]

Politicians shouldn't go there that town needs no government they can do everything themselves

[@deliwegrace7097]

Good job oranian people don't let in this politians in orinia

[@hlasesibisi5264]

Oh YES please or they will F" it up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@fikinaturally_fikiswa2925]

I didn't know much about this guy, but his got my interest now for sure. Will definitely pay more attention

[@gregorystroud6119]

Oranje is on private land, so if you don't meet the criteria to live there, look somewhere else. I don't want to live where blacks live , so I live with my own class of people. Why is it such a thorn in the black peoples side, that they are not welcome there? Look at the resulting conditions in the majority of black areas and it is quite evident that the people running Oranje, don't want it turning into a slum. There should be more places like Oranje in South Africa, where like minded people, of whatever race, can live as they wish, and control their future. The Durban beachfront has dozens of blocks of flats, almost all of them being bought up by Muslim Indians, where others don't stand a chance of purchasing, renting a place to live. I don't hear anybody complaining of that. This practice is spreading through Morningside, Riverside and Umgeni Heights.

[@RobGar78]

You conveniently forget how blacks arrived at the situation they are in now...go back in history buddy.

[@TycoonRR]

Simple answer to this, the lord our saviour died for all of us. Racism comes from an evil place and unfortunately it has led to the development of towns like this. Lord forgive us for we know not what we do!

[@zeed5764]

Crime, Corruption and murder is also very Evil. Sometimes you need to fight evil with evil.. 😜

[@clintonwieneke8934]

The interviewer must first find a multiracial and all inclusive community in South Africa that is so progressive, crime and corruption free and advanced as Orania before calls it racist or wrong. Compare apples with apples and not pineapples.

[@bellastone7437]

Best to have a perspective of all people in the nation, when it's your plan to lead them.

[@cmk1964]

Orania doesn’t want the problems that SA has, and the rest of SA can learn from them.

[@itumelengmosailane1192]

Where are they standing at last

[@NadimGasaki]

Thank you brother

[@NadimGasaki]

Thank you brother

[@888nay_jean]

Shoutout Gayton for mentioning that Orania was approved by our fellow government. Now we wanna act like he's fucked up for visiting???

[@fin-rb3yz]

Thts why we say mandela nd the anc were sellouts and they need to go...

[@paulrowe9486]

Orania is a shining example of success !!! They are doing well and do nothing negative to affect other people's ! Very pleasant to see such a South African success story !!!! Viva Orania !!!

[@admin4143]

let people live together if they want to , people who wanted their race to come into government, you had what you wanted and you got your results since 1994

[@onsbaizanie805]

Precisely!! Results are APALLING!

[@silindokuhlejayoressithole3109]

People didn't want their own race to come into government. They wanted to be treated like decent human beings not animals

[@admin4143]

@@silindokuhlejayoressithole3109 And As if now the same people who you say wanted to be treated like humans are being treated like humans by the people they thought would treat them like humans Who is in all government positions and who strike and protest every day against the people that were appointed to treat them like humans

[@yvettedurbangirlsa]

No one complains about Townships that are all mostly populated by Black South Africans. The problem in these Townships you are more than likely will be robbed and murdered no matter what race you are. There is nothing wrong with wanting to live in a safe well run community

[@bgonya06]

Townships are not on private land and it's not by choice.

[@siphamandlakunene8458]

I like the fact that you used the word "mostly" cos we live with different races now in townships and they are no targeted. In my experience it is way safer to live in townships than in the city or even surbubs one may argue just that you look at the township from distance, no experience while some of us experience all these places

[@mkza2280]

Townships are the end products of Apartheid they existed because of group areas acts that were in force, so that's different.

[@onsbaizanie805]

Yes ofcourse..they will rob u of R100 and torch u afterwards...no wonder their decent blacks move into whit/coloured areas where they can live peacefully

[@onsbaizanie805]

@@bgonya06 maybe they should become educated in family planning and not keep on manufacturing babies and expect handouts from government. That is abuse against those innocent babies.

[@kobusvanzyl7222]

Living in peace, safety and a crime free environment should be the aim for each political party, news agency and citizen. Why the animosity against Orania?

[@nedor64]

Why doesn't any economist or politician ever think of all that is happening in Orania today? Because they only think about their own pockets and their own political party, nothing else.

[@sphiwemsipa4447]

I guess their workforce is not unionised that is why their economic programs are not retarded and show continues growth

[@YESYES-qz2ex]

Best place to stay. I absolutely love it. !!!!

[@ryanphipps1901]

Leave race and moral believe out of this, that town is a blue print for small towns trying to recover snd grow

[@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087]

They proudly say its their faith in God and the freedom they chose(afrikaner accord) to choose God as their leader and for them to never break their promise to God. Interestingly, there is a hate speach bill pending for approval at the moment preventing anyone in sa speaking about religeous belief in God, as this will give you 8 years in prison, under hate speach.

[@marabunya]

Its growing exactly because of race and moral belief. You can't leave race out of it.

[@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087]

@@marabunya not race....culture. everyone there is welcome but must come with respect of their culture in return for their respect of other cultures. Almost the same respect we have when visiting the tribal kings in south africa. It is mutual. You visit the jones,s, you do as the j9nes,s say

[@shanaazcloete8531]

@@marabunya Race should not be a factor to stop growth and development. What stops Black people from coming together and building their own Town.

[@marabunya]

Africans are not self-righteous and racist. We don't need to set up towns where only people who look like us are allowed to pass through. Keep your Orania it's perfectly fine. We'll continue to fight to take and keep everything else.

[@theparadigm874]

Orania looks great!! Thank you for the positive holiday destination advert!!

[@trumpilstylskyn5453]

Are there white people in the zulu villages?

[@vjchabane9795]

Do Zulu villages have own currency and borders?

[@eeveegg6onpc507]

@@vjchabane9795 Say Lesotho with me

[@J-MP36]

Yeah they are but in those villages they are not runned as a separate country.

[@trumpilstylskyn5453]

@@vjchabane9795 if they did, would they let white people in?

[@nedor64]

​@@vjchabane9795 answer the question.

[@munghilepheeane8528]

After what foreigners have done to this country, I want my own orania.

[@wesleymyburgh4103]

😂🤣😂

[@jackiemonyemoratho4190]

😂😂😂

[@edwinramokone9052]

Not foreigners, it's ANC, they are the enablers of this mess

[@DN-kz7xl]

There are many communities all over the world who are respected for their wish to be a homogenous community.

[@user-oy6nx9tr5p]

IN ORANIA THERE IS NO LOOTING. !!!

[@johanbritz976]

"Jump through hoops", so that describes the entire BBEEe processes?

[@riaanvantonder5169]

That people in townwill NOT walk on sewage and pis because it's not normal simple

[@soniadevos510]

It'😂s an Afrikaner town, same as SA started way back then and they do not have the threat of enforced BEE the rest of the country has to be adhered to. They look after themselves and respect each other. No other black, coloured, indian township takes this initiative and works to improve their own lives, their schools, their surrounding areas. The minute Orania opens their borders, they will have people wanting to have their own rights and religions, freedom of speech etc enforced on these people.

[@jennjames2610]

To be fair, I am mixed race and was raised in a predominantly ‘Indian’ area back then and we had a clean and safe town, the whole place was clean, our schools were well equipped and to an extent, we had facilities better than some of the whites schools, if not on the same level and that was because the residents at that time, took the little that they were given and made the best of it. With respect- don’t generalize. Many people, regardless of race are just as resourceful.

[@SM-mz2hz]

First time I’ve come across this man. He sounds very sensible and measured. He’d be a good leader of South Africa

[@sollynkadimeng3091]

If we stop pointing fingers and work together as a nation..then we can overcome all our problems including Anc....