Ending Heart Disease: Cardiologist Kim Williams, M.D.

America's #1 killer, heart disease claims 1 out of every 3 lives in the U.S. But it's avoidable and often even reversible with simple diet and lifestyle changes. This week on the podcast I sit down for an important conversation with cardiologist and former president of the American College of Cardiology Kim Williams, M.D. to discuss the factors that contribute to heart disease and how best to avoid it. Enjoy! ✌🏼🌱 - Rich
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[@iwnunn7999]

I do like Dr. Williams. He's kind and is genuinely concerned about the health of people and less concerned about lining his pockets at the expense of his patients well being.

[@iSapien1956672]

IW Nunn he’s my cardiologist and I’m pleased

[@annwilliams6438]

I have just 'found' him this last week and am now on a Dr Williams binge watch. What an incredible man.

[@Vscustomprinting]

as long as his prices are incredibly low... this is a problem of the PEOPLE, te people who refuse to take responsibility for their figh fat food addictions.. many of us poor people had to become our own doctors because we dont court affluence. Too many people are pretending like their incompetent intuitions or personal wants are more important that our communal need... weve legalized being able to damage our empathic brains, the ones we use to differentiate adults from child, able from not... drugs are the things that make people say "its not that simple" or "nutrition is complicated" same as with affluence.. its as simple as the fact that we refuse to stop consuming "its not that simple" is the gaslighting of the affluent while people who are disproportionately responsible for climate change, but the most affected by it suffer. 99.9 percent of society literally has to get over itself.. but we wont outlaw the animal products that are facilitating the apathy needed to sabotage the plan the sustainable plan is ruined by personal ambitions, and the gaslighting of the acquisition of those ambitions, being "deserved" by everyone. sociology is simple as fuck if you cultivate a multidisciplinary approach

[@peterz53]

@ 35 min - the bacon and eggs after stenting happened to me in 2012 in my local hospital. It's insane. I changed my diet right after leaving the hospital having already been familiar with Ornish and Esselstyn's work. Vegan for 5 years now. Blood work has been excellent throughout this entire time with numbers almost half of their original values. Took myself off of beta-blockers (my heart rate is < 60 and BP is excellent) and statins the first year.

[@iwnunn7999]

Congratulations. You're a living testament that it is the food! Continued good health to u.

[@billybbob18]

What about me? 1. Age 34 2. BP 106/62 3. 60bpm 4. Rock stable blood sugar levels 5. Energy all day I ONLY eat animal sourced nutrition. Mostly beef, some eggs and fish and zero carbs. I'm regular in case you are wondering. The problems with an animal based diet seem to go away when you remove the plant matter. 🤔

[@saadtariq12345]

billybbob18 let us know you are doing in 10 years :)

[@mottosierra1372]

@@saadtariq12345 my father 96 my uncle 98 my mother 82 none of them has any heart problems, diabetes or blood pressure or prostate, they eat everything and their dessert is ice cream every day and also every day they drink coffee they have never done any type of diet they still like drink wine and beer , how they will doing in 10 years?

[@annwilliams6438]

Another Keto fanatic trolls a veggie video.... typical. Not that they actually listen to the whole video.

[@JW4REnvironment]

Dr. Williams is refreshingly direct and insightful about nutrition and health. Hats off to a marvelous physician!

[@mathu991]

Every cardiologist should watch this.

[@festuskesh7733]

It’s so obvious that most patient suffering from all this deadly virus are been enslaved to the antiviral and other supplementary Orthodox medicine just to help suppress the virus and not a cure. I have been with herpes virus since 2012 until I was introduce by a blogger who also narrated her story online on how she was cured of Hsv virus after using DR PETER herbal Medicine. This is a year and 2 weeks since I was delivered from Hsv. All thanks to God for using this Great herbalist to heal me. I have promise to keep telling good about DR PETER ,his medicine comes with no side effects,dont sit back and get your life ruined by some bad virus Please fill free to share Your problems with him and don’t forget to tell him I did refer you to Him. Thanks.write him on email at [e-mail] He can as well render help in other diseases too. You can also contact doctor Peter on whatsapp [phone]

[@gigipizzuto4068]

My cardiologist had a triple bypass... And he still thinks it's because of his genetics.

[@RiDankulous]

@@gigipizzuto4068 Time for a new cardiologist. 🤪😱🤣

[@RiDankulous]

Primary care physicians can make a bigger difference because they see a lot more patients and earlier, but cardiologists help.

[@gigipizzuto4068]

@@RiDankulous i haven't seen him in about 15 years. And my heart attack symptoms turned out to be a hiatal hernia. But I went through a heart cat back then and the doctor found a 15% blockage. Even though he told me it was not a concern, I got really concerned. I thought I was too young for that (I was 35 yo back then). That is when I read a lot and decided to become WFBP and quit smoking cold turkey.

[@williamward7801]

One of RR's best interviews of all time. Dr. KW is authentic and uber smart.

[@enkibumbu]

He radiates integrity.

[@sushmitaroy1667]

I keep forgetting about this doctor in the plant based community! This is the second interview with him that I have seen, and he is an excellent relayer of complex information. Slight differences between the plant based doctors, but they are essentially on the same team. :-)

[@spoudaois4535]

Phenomenal discussion. I've sent links to my colleagues in cardiology and vascular surgery

[@richardthomas9856]

Such an intelligent and fluent speaker. One of Rich Roll's best interviews. I'm going to find out if my cardiologist knows the two kinds of cardiologists. . .

[@RonnieMinh]

He is not telling the truth. If these chronic diseases were completely reversible you would see people standing in line to get into his office. He would be doing interviews on major sows, not being interviewed in a motel room.

[@butterflyhinchman1]

@@RonnieMinh lol

[@lindaw7502]

Dr William is ultra determined driven ambitious individual with class and decency

[@nenaboax6590]

A truly beautiful mind! His humility coupled with direct and often catchy presentation is pure inspiration. Rich, getting to watch his face in that gorgeous lighting is a big plus.

[@annemccarron2281]

That really is nice lighting. It makes the whole presentation calming.

[@RiDankulous]

I think every cardiologist might benefit from making their own 'keynote speech' documentation to present to their patients in the same way, and cardiologists share the common hurdles of different types of people and what is said to convince them the most effectively to switch. If there's science behind that presentation method, it can work better. It might mean that there needs to be a lot more time included with the patient, also, and with dietitians providing foods that will tempt them because they are so tasty. Taste is a big thing. They need to be full and satiated. If that happens, it can help greatly.

[@udawyma1682]

There are those who had a heart attack and stint and never had another heart attack 40 years later on a 90% organic diet with moderate exercise...still going strong. I refused bypass surgery, by the way.

[@palecompass3598]

Awesome interview! Dr. Williams articulates the issue so well. Thanks for giving him a platform to share the research and his own story.

[@AgostinoBuonovet85]

This is one of the best Rich Roll's interviews/podcasts!

[@Patrick_Nottingham]

Love this guy. So articulate and knowledgeable.

[@moonbeaches]

Rich Roll 😁 Please interview Kim Williams MD again! Your interviewing skill really brings treasures and nuggets that are priceless! ❤️HEART❤️HEART❤️HEART❤️

[@waytogoraw9965]

Awesome interview!

[@DonaldWisch]

Bravo... great interview!!!

[@alicelee2913]

This was so interesting!!! I’m so glad I found your channel!

[@The-Rain-Ninja]

Superb interview! Learned a lot.

[@Raven.13]

This was a great interview, thank you!

[@martinlaursen7972]

Thank you for sharing this super important message.

[@luvlabso130]

Wonderful Doctor and interview.

[@michaelonello1022]

Fantastic job guys. Both of you..!

[@maarten7]

What an amazing interview.

[@RicherThanIeverbeen]

Best interview in a long time. Thanks, gentlemen!

[@ninatijsma4658]

Looooooooooove this! Thanks so much to both of you! Plant-based for the win-win-win!!

[@trishmarck7798]

absolutely amazing interview...Dr Williams you are one of my heros.....

[@chuckwavra8832]

That was outstanding! Thank you

[@festuskesh7733]

It’s so obvious that most patient suffering from all this deadly virus are been enslaved to the antiviral and other supplementary Orthodox medicine just to help suppress the virus and not a cure. I have been with herpes virus since 2012 until I was introduce by a blogger who also narrated her story online on how she was cured of Hsv virus after using DR PETER herbal Medicine. This is a year and 2 weeks since I was delivered from Hsv. All thanks to God for using this Great herbalist to heal me. I have promise to keep telling good about DR PETER ,his medicine comes with no side effects,dont sit back and get your life ruined by some bad virus Please fill free to share Your problems with him and don’t forget to tell him I did refer you to Him. Thanks.write him on email at [e-mail] He can as well render help in other diseases too. You can also contact doctor Peter on whatsapp [phone]

[@iwnunn7999]

Watching this again. I do love Dr Williams

[@Michaeldrummer]

Excellent interview. Thank You.I'm still researching a clear answer on fruit sugar.

[@lindaw7502]

Dr Kim has a lot of class!!! Thank you rich. Rare quality this Dr

[@suzannekuperhand9370]

Amazing interview!

[@FountainBeee]

Kim is awesome!

[@gregorypier808]

Dr. Williams is incredibly impressive great podcast.

[@ThePetlowany]

What an amazing man, Dr Williams. Many thanks for this, Rich.

[@festuskesh7733]

It’s so obvious that most patient suffering from all this deadly virus are been enslaved to the antiviral and other supplementary Orthodox medicine just to help suppress the virus and not a cure. I have been with herpes virus since 2012 until I was introduce by a blogger who also narrated her story online on how she was cured of Hsv virus after using DR PETER herbal Medicine. This is a year and 2 weeks since I was delivered from Hsv. All thanks to God for using this Great herbalist to heal me. I have promise to keep telling good about DR PETER ,his medicine comes with no side effects,dont sit back and get your life ruined by some bad virus Please fill free to share Your problems with him and don’t forget to tell him I did refer you to Him. Thanks.write him on email at [e-mail] He can as well render help in other diseases too. You can also contact doctor Peter on whatsapp [phone]

[@hillcevan]

Big fan of Rich but had missed this episode. One of his best and most important. It's hard trying to keep up with the data and forming my own path, when physicians / cardiologists do not keep up with the data

[@papparocket]

On the topic of coconut oil, the following is the breakdown of all of the saturated fats in coconut oil compared to butter. You mentioned that coconut contains a lot of lauric acid (C12:0) and that is true and that there are a lot of different saturated fats, and that is also true. And you said that lauric acid is more easily digested, and that might be true, I don't know. But from a cardiac health standpoint what is important is that some of the saturated fats raise LDL cholesterol more than others. The three that raises LDL the most are Palmitic (C16:0), Myristic (14:0) and Lauric (12:0) and it these three saturated fats constitute *80%* of the saturated fat and 69% of the total fat. These three particular saturated fats constitute 62% of the saturated fat in butter. So from a saturated fat and its impact on LDL, coconut oil could actually worse than butter. Now butter also has about 6% natural trans fats, which is even worse for cholesterol than saturated fat, and so this is likely why butter as a food raises cholesterol more than coconut. But it is pretty clear that coconut oil is not a health food. Per 100 grams Coconut Oil Butter grams % sat % tot grams % of sat % tot Total Fat 100 81.1 Fatty acid Name 86.0 100% 86% 51.4 100% 63% 4:0 Butyric acid 0.1 0% 3.2 6% 6:0 Caproic acid 0.8 1% 2.0 4% 8:0 Caprylic acid 8.2 10% 1.2 2% 10:0 Capric acid 5.6 7% 2.5 5% 12:0 Lauric acid 43.7 51% 68% 2.6 5% 14% 14:0 Myristic acid 16.8 19% 7.4 14% 15:0 Pentadecylic acid 0.0 0% 0.0 0% 16:0 Palmitic acid 8.4 10% 21.7 42% 17:0 Margaric acid 0.0 0% 0.6 1% 18:0 Stearic acid 2.5 3% 10.0 19% 20:0 Arachidic acid 0.0 0% 0.1 0% 22:0 Benenic acid 0.0 0% 32% 0.0 0% 49% Lauric + Myristic + Palmitic 68.9 80% 69% 31.7 62% 39% Fatty acids, total mono 5.9 6% 21.0 26% Fatty acids, total poly 1.7 2% 3.0 3% Fatty acids, total trans 0.0 3.3 3% Fatty acids, total trans-monoenoic 0.0 3.0 3%

[@catherinekasmer9905]

Yet another awesome fact based presentation. Great interview. Dr. Williams is super knowledgeable.

[@TheCluelessRunner]

So so good rich! From NZ.

[@butterflyangel75]

Thank You!

[@Steph18E]

Fantastic.

[@tambordecrioula]

Always love to hear Dr. Williams speak.

[@volvaheidrbores663]

Wonderful

[@Radnally]

Inflammation from sugar is looking like the real culprit. Glad he is recognizing this. Mcdougall and esselylton dont seem to speak about this.

[@debbietampasheher3682]

It's not just one bad guy, as Rich Roll said

[@memyselfandiamangel2006]

❤ me and my heart thank you!

[@bmccaffe76]

True American hero.

[@alexhogan3281]

What a beautiful man!

[@lisamurphy7698]

McDonald's advert at the beginning, gah! Thanks for this wonderful interview!

[@anandawellnessinstituteyog423]

There was an excellent interview with Kim Williams, M.D. by Ocean Robbins that I listened a month ago and I would like to find a copy of that interview it had some great recommendations of food an medicine for heart conditions with very high cholesterol. I am glad that more and mroe doctors are going vegan or at least vegetarian path.

[@lindaw7502]

This earlier shows are great

[@studentaccount4354]

Form think thanks too!🎉 Thank you for bringing this out. Whole grains are so hard to find in the convenience breakfast cereals and frozen isles. I’d like to find some salt and oil free products😊I have this dream it will happen. In the meantime this is somewhat labor intensive.

[@Veganphobic]

16:30 eat as little cholesterol as “possible”. Therefore go vegan 24:40 saturated fat in plants Laurie acid 40:00 anecdote (same old story Of fasting) 49:00 diet can drop cholesterol on days 5:30 if meat consumption doesn’t directly correlate with cholesterol, then how can one determine the severity of a diet based on numbers. If 1 egg raises cholesterol at a rate more than 20 eggs when compared is it true that a specific number determines risk?

[@haitrieubui257]

So inspirational, thank you so much! 1 question: the article "animal protein kills you" on the American medical journal association 1st august 2016, I can't find it online. Can you help? Cheer!

[@lehuamedia1235]

Great video! The mic noise is pretty loud and annoying though you might want to turn the gain down on the mic

[@captainadams7569]

I drink 16 ounce fruit smoothies everyday, 2 to 4 times a day. My A1C has gone down from 6.4 to 5.6. The sugar in the whole fruit does not increase blood sugar, b/c of the fiber. My fasting blood sugar has also gone from 110 to 75.

[@carpenterfamily6198]

I was keto for 5+ years ~ felt great / looked great. Then had heart attack, which I believe was due to unhealthy fats and animal products. I thought I was doing the healthy thing for myself by being on keto. But unbeknownst to me, I was hurting myself.

[@5itka]

It’s scary because keto is like a religion to some people, and it’s become so popular and widespread. I’m sure a lot of people will be hurt as a result

[@user-zq3qd8ui5o]

May I ask, what did you predominately eat when you did keto for 5 years? Was it predominantly animal products rich in saturated fats? Did you eat any vegetables at all, or was it basically majority animal products?

[@carpenterfamily6198]

@@user-zq3qd8ui5o Tons of eggs and meat. Minimal veggies No carbs, no sugar. Lots of fats.

[@puffy231]

Can someone link me the study Dr. Williams is referring to at 11:35? I'd like to see that graph myself for reference purposes.

[@keehotee1357]

Inspiring.

[@lindaw7502]

As well as the current ones

[@g.e.boroush5176]

Anyone have the link to the JAMA Aug 1 2016 article about meat that Dr. Williams references at about minute 53 (or so)? I can't find it, wondering if anyone else can. Thanks!

[@TheHouseofFruits]

has anyone got the graph Kim talks about at min 11:35 and could share the link? Thanks!

[@robgesslein8347]

We've all challenged ourselves at some point in our life. News year's resolutions, meatless Mondays, exercise more, etc... Can you go 28 days? No one is asking you to go plant based forever. No one is asking you to exercise forever. But can you do it for a short 28 days? Do it and you will see a change that is unexplainable. If you choose to go back to what you were doing, fine. I will bet that no-one will.

[@claudebourque8882]

Great info. Great Man... US of A... Please change your food habits. : )

[@RiDankulous]

I feel so lucky now in retrospect that my LDL was 85 but my total was 210 so I went full red alert early and to whole food-plant based. I didn't realize until later the 85 and although it's not ideal, how low it was compared to a lot of people with problems in cholesterol. Of course, I easily fixed it being strict whole food-plant based. 5 years now I'm still fine.

[@annemccarron2281]

That was a very moderately elevated lipid panel compared to so many American's panel.

[@RiDankulous]

@@annemccarron2281 Agreed. I was on the path to needing lipids and didn't want to take them for the rest of my life. I came off blood pressure medication with doctor supervision. That is good now, also.

[@reneeubry2604]

I am hearing you address the issue of drugs to lower cholesterol. I just cant take any of them without nasty side affects like having it poison my hair and loose 3/4 of my hair in about 3 months. I was fighting Cholesterol and had to find what was causing the inflammation and it looks like what was left was some dairy that was sending out cholesterol to patch the holes in my arteries. I was known that I had an inflammation issue more than 5 years before I had to go to the CATH lab last Dec. I had very few symptoms that i was having anything serious going on but the LAD was 90 % blocked. My cholesterol had been Inching up over those 5 years and nothing was stopping it. I went on a whole food plant diet with almost no Meat, dairy or refined foods and I dropped the LDL from 223 to 185 in about 2-3 months. I think I can drop to 145 or less but I am so sensitive to meds and some foods and eating food away from home is a nightmare. I don’t use milk but I could without feeling bad until they homogenized it. I was still using a small amount of cream and ice cream but that is gone too since I noticed it was making me fat. I didn’t cook meat at home so only ate a hamburger or fish if I was in town and had to get something to eat to keep from crashing but even that was too much. I use some bread but it has to be good stiff bread or I will not buy it - no soft white bread in our house. Don’t drink or smoke either and we do not drink water from the tap either. i am listening to my body so as I clear out my arteries I dont work too hard and make my heart need more blood flow than it can get right now. I have to slow down if the little finger edge of my right hand and the finger tips get tingly and a bit numb - that is my warning sign that I must slow down and let my heart not have too work as hard. That is working well to tell this type A person that if I dont slow down I will have a heart attack. Hope what I have shared will help someone else. By the way I dont use any oils and very little sugar and do corn syrup solids either

[@lindaw7502]

Please invite dr Kim again

[@Tod_oMal]

Artery Inflammation caused by sugar/carbs are healed by cholesterol, which means the body needs to naturally produce more cholesterol to cure the damage, if so, the problem is not the cholesterol but the sugar/carbs instead, which are causing the inflammation. Am I correct?

[@annemccarron2281]

No you are not correct! Saturated fats (meats, fish, dairy, eggs) are inflammatory but so are sugar, processed foods, preservatives, colors, and artificial flavors.

[@annandjerrymarcus7676]

I here about diabetes with heart disease almost every time. Many fruits and veg. are high in sugar. what give????

[@armahthetrainer]

What is the keynote speech he shares with his patients and other doctors?

[@armahthetrainer]

56:55???

[@commentoria]

I thought the link between dietary cholesterol and cholesterol/plaque in arteries was debunked years ago. There is so much confusion surrounding this. Some say keto, others say Ornish, etc.

[@johzuke1]

He says complex carbohydrates are not gonna spike your insulin. When he talks about sugar he means sugar which isn't attatched to its fiber as it would be originally in the whole food. Sugar (including syrups, refined flours) is as bad if not worse for heart health than saturated fat (including coconut).

[@DrummerDucky]

Sadly, wouldn't be surprised if straight sugar was worse than saturated fat, since the deleterious effects seems to show up earlier in life. Both should be avoid though, that's a fair compromise.

[@stevemizera2243]

I foresee the day when all of the plant based doctors pool their resources to establish a National Franchise of Restaurants of plant based offerings to compete with the Fat food franchises, The only restaurant available to me as a vegan is Chipoltle's.

[@g.e.boroush5176]

A new "burger" coming out is the Impossible Burger. It is made with heme iron (so that it tastes like beef and is also the same type of iron in beef which we know to be unhealthy) and coconut oil which is 85% saturated fat. This burger is definitely not meat but is definitely not healthy. If one eats whole foods one doesn't have to worry about what is in the 'product' that one is eating. Just eat a whole food naturally grow and you don't have to worry.

[@beardumaw24]

Plant based burger substitutes are disgusting!!!!🤮🤢 filled with crap !! make your own vege burgers way better for you.

[@robmartin1792]

What about Dr. MacDougal's research on sugar?

[@peterz53]

overall, McDougall has a good message but I'm skeptical about his high starch approach versus someone like Joel Ferman who also emphasizes a plant based diet, but not so heavy on starch. And certainly doesn't downplay sugar. I think one key is to understand the impact on insulin, which is implicated any many diseases and is anti-aging as well. Would be valuable to collect insulin/Hba1c, and other data, on people who eat a McDougall type diet vs a Furman type diet. My guess is that high starch will have higher (more detrimental) levels of insulin even is better than most Americans.

[@papparocket]

*Peter* When you get down to what ends up on the plate, my impression from reading books and menus from both is that there really isn't that much different between McDougall and Furman. Due to the very low calorie density t is simply not possible to eat enough non-starchy vegetables to get enough daily calories or even a substantial portion of one's calories. The only alternative is to eat foods with high enough calorie density to allow a person to get enough calories in a the volume and weight that a person can eat. Whole fruit has a higher calorie density and can serve as a source of a substantial portion of one's calories, but whole starches (not just potatoes, but also intact grains and legumes) have a higher (but not ridiculous) calorie density and so serves the foundation of calories in both diets. I would love if somebody would take several weeks of menus from the McDougall plan and the Furman plan and break it down to the percentage of calories coming from non-starchy vegetables, fruits, nuts & seeds, and starchy vegetables to really see how much difference there really is. If this has already been done, I would love a link to such a comparison.

[@StillTrustNo1]

papparocket I think the real difference is in the micro not macro nutrient ratio. I would definitely say that anyone who says superior health is at the end of the macro to micro nutrient ratio would be the winner. Greger etc. has also stated the classic "Micrountrient bang" for the "macronutrient buck". I don't think you will find any real truth at the end of macro vs. macro unless we start talking to much protein or fat.

[@StillTrustNo1]

And what about Kempners research on sugar?

[@elliotgardner6921]

+B K I;m reading McDougall's book now and am defiantly an admirer of his work, but it's good to point out that he's not a vegan, he doesn't drop the animal products when it comes to social matters with friends and family.

[@tedoymisojos]

Wish there were two cardiologists here with diferring opinions discussing these topics and looking for common ground.

[@jeffmorgan5152]

The real problem is the concept of "opinion" in the face of "fact". "There are two kinds of cardiologists. Vegan's and those that haven't read the data." The data is clear. "Opinions" are the problem. The only concern with the doctor's observation is that the terms "Vegan" and "Whole Food / Plant Based" are treated as synonymous, and they are not.

[@susanw6203]

Why does the American Heart Assoc. recommend canola and corn oils as "healthy fats"?

[@cypriano8763]

if your gonna follow one experts advice on nutrition and heart health; the head of the college of cardiology.

[@davidsthoughts60]

Just hearing this interview for the first time. Great stories that I hadn’t heard! When I heard ‘vegan propaganda unit’ I thought ‘Law and Order - VPU.’

[@udawyma1682]

No mention of Organic vs GMO?

[@annemccarron2281]

They can't talk about everything. You can find that information on other podcasts.

[@reneeubry2604]

I am listening to you talk about sugar, fat and Iron from animal blood and the probation on fat and blood have been around very long ago. The Bible clearly states that blood and fat are not to be eaten and met was only allowed to be eaten after the flood to shorten man life. Oh, there it is so we can die earlier from what we eat! I remember when High Fruitose Corn Sugar came around when my Dad was in cooks school in the early 1980 and I . as interesting to work with but we didn’t use it long. I also started having seizures after the heath food he was selling we exposing me to MSG.

[@antigaia1817]

did he really say that refined carbs are worse for your heart than Sat fat/cholesterol. theres no way thats true

[@hiteshthaker6399]

Make podcast with Millet man of India Mr khader vali

[@robert111k]

After listening to this I realize Nina Teicholz is truly a heroine.

[@missiris1234]

Pre Covid seating. Those were the days

[@250txc]

This guy contradicts many things I have heard on the web before, like complex CARBS do not drive insulin upwards...

[@captaindrywall]

Vegetarian to assume that if you eat meat you eat all kinds of shitty foods but the same thing that makes a vegetarian healthy makes a keto diet healthy it’s the greens man. It’s the nitric oxide man look it up just because a 4 ounces of meat with dinner doesn’t mean I eat packaged processed food and I certainly don’t eat a bunch of carbs I don’t need any except what’s in the 9 cups of greens I eat

[@Joseph1NJ]

How was he shocked that his LDL was 190? He had to have been at least in his mid to late 30's by then. Had he never had a lipid panel done before?

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

Sugar isn't a problem in the context of a high carb, low fat diet. If one is eating a standard western diet, then yes, sugar is going to be an issue

[@beardumaw24]

Yes sugar is a problem be it from to much from fruits, simple carbs or the standard western diet.

[@paulajanson8053]

I literally couldn’t watch this. I listened, but couldn’t watch. The lighting was terrible! That brightness behind them was obnoxious.

[@volvaheidrbores663]

For me everything is better with both low fat and low carb....

[@MrThinkingahead]

It'd be nice to see you interview Rhonda Patrick. I think she has a much deeper scientific understanding about nutrition than Kim Williams.

[@TippiVeganGurl]

TG36 GR true

[@richroll]

I did www.richroll.com/podcast/rhonda-patrick/

[@MrThinkingahead]

Nice, I'll listen to it. I hope you guys talked about what causes heart disease. So many things Kim says in this video seem biased and irresponsible.

[@TippiVeganGurl]

TG36 GR He sounds weak to me

[@MrThinkingahead]

Me too. He could probably use some heme iron. Rhonda Patrick and many other scientists have explained eloquently why it's important to include that micro-nutrient in our diets.

[@vimalkirti4845]

Kempner rice diet - cures all

[@TR5T]

YOU CANNOT TELL PEOPLE!!! they must be willing to research and change on their own, It's like smokers, drunks and junkies. I've tried.

[@T4Cification]

So sugar from raw fruit is ok? it's only the processed sugar added to foods

[@derekfarrell2763]

fructose from fruits breaks down much differently in the body... fiber helps that.

[@T4Cification]

yeah but my understanding of what Kim said was all sugars no matter what had the same affect on insulin levels...So 4 apples blended in a smoothie is as bad as drinking the equivalent of a bag of sugar...that's what i thought he was saying

[@T4Cification]

I get what you're saying...but just homing in on the sugar I'm sure he's saying sugar from fruit is the same as sugar from refined sources...as regards increases in insulin....maybe Rich understands better what he meant? But it's kinda looking at not all fruits are equal and avoid high fructose fruits such as Apples and pears...Jesus it would get to the point you can't eat anything...think i'll stick with my fruits

[@T4Cification]

Yeah I understand everything has to be taken into context but he does also say Sugar is bad full stop and we should try to eliminate it...I do know a few runners who eliminate sugar, still eat meat..But suppose that's the point of Rich's podcasts...gets people talking. Strange thing is I was alergic to apples before i went plant based and now i can eat them...I may need to limit them again..:)

[@T4Cification]

Jan Spatschek true, pretty sure these guys were eliminating refined sugars...which suppose eliminates most processed foods as they add sugar to everything. There's an ultra runner 'the fruitarian' and all he eats is fruit...wonder how he fits into the whole scheme of things...makes you realise all the dots aren't quite connected yet

[@carpenterfamily6198]

14:00 ‘statin compared to plant based diet.

[@yallgonemadd3786]

how come you dont have dr. lustig on? is it because he says either lifestyles work? both carnivore and vegan both work for health...can you please have him on

[@thawill]

rez35

[@GuyFromTheSouth]

Do you still think saturated fat causes heart disease? Seems like most cardiologists I see on youtube no longer believe saturated fat causes it. Hasn't there been new studies that show otherwise?