English Rugby Needs THIS | Rugby Pod with Courtney Lawes

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@aaronforde9608 7 ай бұрын

As an Irish fan I have to say he is an awesome player. One of the best 6's going around and such a shame he's not playing International rugby.

@mattt1212 7 ай бұрын

Absolute class act. Best England player we had in years and years.

@mrfearfactory94 7 ай бұрын

Yep, probably the best player we've had in the last decade, right up there with Johnson.

@ronnieplumper6047 7 ай бұрын

Ive never heard Courtney speak at length before; seems like a very switched on bloke. Good luck to him wherever he ends his career

@leighmarsden623 7 ай бұрын

Best forward in the English Prem for 5 years! Coming from a South African. Had a skin head during his first test for England!

@dulls8475 7 ай бұрын

Our only truly world class forward in the last 5 years. Earl is looking good though but we in England are fked over by the clubs.

@stevecross3946 7 ай бұрын

Great to listen to guys as always. So nice to hear Courtney speak about the sport and the weekends games.

@N1ck0A 7 ай бұрын

Go on Big Courts 💪 Great episode fellas 👏🏻

@nigelconder4299 7 ай бұрын

Awesome interview. Just with reference about money in the game as someone who struggles to get tickets, the prices for say six nations tickets is ridiculous and although I could by them I refuse and I think that not good for the game. One other thing is when you see empty seats or dozens of kids clearly not interested in the game taking seats good true supports can't get. I appreciate this wont resonate with everyone one but it's how I feel and I'm not the only one.

@daithiocoinnigh 7 ай бұрын

You make good points, but kids are eternally distracted regardless of the setting. The adults with no interest in the corporate boxes are the annoyance.

@nigelconder4299 7 ай бұрын

Without getting into a major debate the key thing in my opinion is the distribution and allocation of tickets in general and as I see it the profiteering by organisations seeking to rape those true fans. @@daithiocoinnigh

@carlh296 7 ай бұрын

Whilst I see your points and understand them. I have taken my son to Twickenham. He enjoyed it, but at times was not that interested. Why did I take him? He plays rugby, at 14 he is looking like a really good flanker, but like 95% of his team he does not watch rugby, prefers to have his head in his Xbox. So like most of his team mates the lack of watching means he just does not understand large aspects of the game. So I took him there, and I take him to Bath when I can, to try to encourage that flame of real interest, and to grow his knowledge.

@nigelconder4299 7 ай бұрын

My issues is not with individuals who take their children to games but the mass allocation of tickets to groups. Where individual fans like myself have no affiliation to local or national clubs we have virtually no access to tickets at gate prices. The real problem is with ticket allocation. @@carlh296

@clairegresswell 7 ай бұрын

Bribe him, take his children (okay, maybe not), anything... just convince Mr Lawes to come back & play. In my opinion he's been one of the best & most consistent players for over a decade! 😊

@barkerk100 7 ай бұрын

Borthwick's 10 mistake was not giving Finn enough time against Italy to find out if he can hack it, and then a good few minutes against Wales to be sure. Now England is stuck with Ford and Finn will not get off the bench excepting for injury. The back row balance discussion was very interesting. Earl picks himself, I'd play him at 7 on opposition put in and 8 on England. I think Chandler might be a Lions bolter in waiting, and he deserves a start (with Earl). Ethen's second game was a shadow of his first game, but I'd give him a third start, with Martin coming in for Chessum.

@gareththomas2155 7 ай бұрын

Really enjoy the rugby pod Courtney Lawes saying it how it is top man 💪 I’m Welsh we don’t hate the English just like to get one over on them but we don’t win much anymore 🙄😂👍

@christopherdarby1043 7 ай бұрын

Grew up in Ynystawe. Believe me, plenty of Welsh hate the English. Just flat out racism (or xenophobia if that makes it more palatable).

@BillPatten-zh6lx 7 ай бұрын

I agree with Courtney about embracing the roughness of the sport. As an American, we love to watch rough quick sports such as NFL football and UFC. It's the same for Nascar, Hockey, and fake wrestling. We love the carnage. But as parents, we can be too protective of our children? I remember being at my son's baseball practice, and watching 15 year olds practicing American football when an ambulance arrived for one of the kids. I was thankful my boy wasn't playing football at that point. He did go on to play U20 Soccer (football) and getting an ACL before going to college. Had he been a little older, he may have understood that an ACL doesn't have to end his sports playing, but Mom's lectures made him scared to play. I hope our parents don't shy away from letting our kids become rugby players so that when World Cup comes to USA, we have extraordinary players like Courtney on the Eagles.

@darkno6493 7 ай бұрын

American football isn’t a quick sport…

@BillPatten-zh6lx 7 ай бұрын

A lot of Americans would disagree, but because it's a game of penalties (who can not make them and who can draw the other team into making them) they happen nearly every play anymore. That's what makes it a slow game, and makes footie a better game.

@ianbowden1807 7 ай бұрын

Imagine America embracing rugby, it would be seismic for the sport. They produce so many freaks of nature in every other sport I don't see rugby being any different, you could start by getting players who don't make the NFL draft interested. Russia as well it would make the sport so much more amazing if they properly went after it

@tommoreton1100 7 ай бұрын

I honestly believe rugby needs an FA cup style competition any team can win any team can play any team if they get far enough I know the danger etc etc with potentially semi pro teams playing pro teams however I think this would bring more eyes to the game think fa cup bbc circa the 80s 90s

@cosmojames7710 7 ай бұрын

Martin at 6, Earl 7 and CCS at 8 offers a balanced back row and line out options. Would like to see this at some point soon.

@roryogrady116 7 ай бұрын

I think Courtney nearly hit the nail on the head there, but missed the elephant in English Rugby - Rugby isn’t for everyone, only those of the right social class - my dad was an international and Played for Sale and said he was ostracised by his teammates and a lot of England internationals for being working class. This stigma needs to change for Rugby to grow which includes ticket prices, ticket allocations to club members and sponsors need to be cut down and embrace atmosphere and don’t shy away from it, it’s like going to watch Golf sometimes the crowds in England

@Gilescowdemdem 7 ай бұрын

Great point, Genge has talked about this as well and within clubs between players there is a shift, however, shifting the audience is still the bigger challenge.

@meEllson 7 ай бұрын

Correct, the upper class ruining rugby

@involuntarilychad4048 7 ай бұрын

Most youngsters don't have access to the expensive TV packages and tickets to be able to watch club rugby live. Particularly those of less wealthy backgrounds. It's the same in football, but filling the void in football is a mass of live watchalong content online that young people consume like crazy and remain connected through. There is none of this for rugby and most youngsters are totally unaware of the existence of their local club and the games it's playing. Our rugby clubs are missing a trick. They could create an entirely new, young support base, through streaming watchalongs across their social media and KZbin channels, with vivid commentary, supported by the analysis of some of their former players.

@roryogrady116 7 ай бұрын

@@Gilescowdemdem yeah I think there’s real potential for audiences. Especially Sale, they’re in the middle of Salford, next to Manchester and yet decide to put ticket prices to £60+ this is a working class area sport mad, with the likes of United, city and Salford Reds and Leigh but instead you choose to isolate your locals by catering to the mid to upper class, it’s a waste, Rugby is becoming more fluid and running attacking rugby which is amazing to watch, the RWC did amazing numbers with amazing crowds and yet when we move back to domestic it’s the same old.

@dulls8475 7 ай бұрын

It is not happening now and we have to get rid of the victim mentality that permeates our society. You are talking about stuff that happened years ago.

@ronnieplumper6047 7 ай бұрын

I think big Jim is right about capitalising on the athleticism of players, it’s something the NFL does exceptionally well and it draws in younger audiences. It’s a tough gig for whoever is charged with boosting the domestic game in the UK - whatever they do needs some authenticity to it… and probably some billionaire benefactor

@Kenny-zn6dl 7 ай бұрын

Alot of the irish team are leinster but alot of them are not, like in new Zealand alot of the international team are crusaders, smaller countries don't have 14 club's or regions to choose from but what they do have is unbelievable structures in place and them same structures are all based around the international team, player's don't get burnt-out and are managed properly.

@dulls8475 7 ай бұрын

We have a dilution of talent. All the English clubs do not support the England team. So many of those clubs are full of other countries teams as well. We have zero worthwhile structures to pick from.

@wot4922 7 ай бұрын

@@dulls8475seems like the English lack pride in their team.

@dulls8475 7 ай бұрын

@@wot4922 So why would i post if i thought that? Our English clubs in many cases are not even English owned. We even won a world cup once...

@warrenbooysen 7 ай бұрын

Love his position on rule changes and apologetic stance by world rugby. The game is the game and has grown on its own. Let it be … as with cricket. No one wants 15 man league and Union remains the most popular oval ball code. League can only dream of its popularity. IF IT AIN’T BROKE DON’T FIX IT

@micklawson1608 7 ай бұрын

I've been thinking outside the box on positions. We have some smaller, very mobile, and skilled back rows, and a shortage of inside centres. Maybe EJ had an idea with multi- position players. How about Ben Earl as number 12? We have an excess of loose forwards, some of whom have the speed and skill set required for the 12 position. Jack Nowell made a good flanker for a winger? What's other people's thoughts on this?

@shonunezekiel 7 ай бұрын

I do understand where you are coming from, but I think expecting people who play one position week-in-week-out, to play a completely different position and perform at the very highest level under the most extreme pressure test is unrealistic.

@Salts73 Ай бұрын

I’ve thought for a couple of years now that Ben Earl could be a fantastic 12

@waynemoore9951 7 ай бұрын

Courtney speaking truth bombs, very refreshing.

@DaveyKos 7 ай бұрын

Guys you are so on point. The quarter finals proved that at the top level these players are indeed like the best NFL players the best Rugby League players, UFC and just high level contact athletes. The game and renumeration should reflect that

@jakeclough8090 7 ай бұрын

Their remuneration 😭😭

@darkno6493 7 ай бұрын

Can’t compare them to UFC fighters, the highest paid fighters are the ones selling the fights, growing a fanbase and also being a fighter who’s been at the top of the rankings. They are individual sports, combat sports isn’t just UFC. There’s loads of guys who have fought in the UFC, have brain damage and are poor.

@knoll9812 7 ай бұрын

Remuneration should reflect what people pay to see the game

@knoll9812 7 ай бұрын

Reality is England struggle to keep premier teams solvent

@jamespeters7775 7 ай бұрын

Rugby shouldn’t try to become like UFC or boxing. Watching some of those press conferences people will say all sorts of sensationalist and abusive rubbish just to sell pay per view. It often is cringeworthy and lacks respect which is ultimately what rugby is about. Change and money needed but I hope it doesn’t go that route

@inamortz2372 7 ай бұрын

The UFC is absolutely not something that should be looked at. Constant gambling ads, crypto-bullshit, treating their fighters like shit. They are a disgraceful organisation. On a nicer note though Courtney Lawes is a total legend and more people should be like him.

@shonunezekiel 7 ай бұрын

I think the perspective was the the UFC celebrates the violence and confrontation, and that promotes the sport... and that Rugby should do the same (ie nothing to do with gambling ads, crypto etc).

@mcc5901 7 ай бұрын

The day rugby goes all glitzy and controversial for the sake of creating drama and ticket sales is the last time I watch game as I will only despise it. Rugby has something unique, so I’m glad Lawes set things straight and said it was not necessary to go down the UFC promotion route. If it did it would only become a game for clowns, watched by clowns and played by clowns. Modesty will always rank higher than boasting.

@johnhanson5943 7 ай бұрын

Many other sports people get paid far too much. Too much money ruins most things and especially rugby. I can’t even consider to watch tennis, football and gold anymore. It stinks. There’s nothing wrong about going out to get another job or to start a business after you have the privilege to play professional sport for some years. Many of us wish, we were so lucky. Many of us also have to put our families, hobbies and bodies down to second or lower priorities etc due to job commitments. We also have to work ever longer - retirement may might not even be possible when we want to finish. Having worked also in construction and mining, I have more empathy for people who aren’t so privileged.

@ed1726 7 ай бұрын

I assume you mean golf and not gold? Great typo though :)

@chriswright5050 7 ай бұрын

Fab stuff from the guys and Courtney was brilliant

@dazeng4633 7 ай бұрын

Such a brilliant guy. Would be a DEVASTATING shame if this man is lost to English rugby. Articulate and to the point. I'm hoping he wants to stay involved in the game as I can see him as a real asset to the RFU.

@goddam9925 7 ай бұрын

Yep enjoyed that !! 😁

@charliecroker6445 7 ай бұрын

With regards to money , yes they should have more However we don't have the crowds that top tier football clubs have , I agree we should have wage caps as well , otherwise we'll end up like football , which I think has gone to the dogs with obscene amounts being paid for players n receiving .

@lucystruthers7876 7 ай бұрын

Agreed. The biggest issue for players is generating an income when they retire. But we all have to work and an English rugby player earns a little less than the average brit at 32 grand. I don't know if playing sport justifies ludicrous wages like what ypu see in football. Football is a lot bigger than rugby and more lucrative. I can't even afford tickets to see England. And there's a lot of people in that situation who will never be able to afford to see their team play. I wouldn't like to see rugby go the way football has. I think it needs to be accessible to all. But at the same time I do understand the post retirement dilemma for many rugby players.

@charliecroker6445 7 ай бұрын

@@lucystruthers7876 , perhaps the thought of amateurs will rear it's head.

@MrMdebenham 7 ай бұрын

Courtney Laws is a proper Legend of the game no doubt about it, however he hit one big problem with Rugby on the head when he said he does not want to watch Rugby he wants to play it! It’s more of a players sport than a watchers sport, it can be complicated at times not quite hoof it down the other end and hope like some sports ⚽️. I wish him every success where ever he decides to play his Rugby but truly do wish he would play for England again! Good luck Courtney!

@davidwalker2402 7 ай бұрын

I think you are generalising there. Watching England might be boring, but Scotland Ireland NZ SA France they play a brand of rugby England haven’t played since 2003

@MrMdebenham 7 ай бұрын

@@davidwalker2402 internationals never an empty seat generally club matches very different except Leicester Quins and Saracens at a push a couple of others? Rugby is a hard game to watch at time we all know this?

@bulltraderpt 7 ай бұрын

Great interview!

@mygoogle1482 7 ай бұрын

If only other rugby pundits & other more celebrity podcasts were as honest, straight forward and able to not just be led by their experience but give breadth of perspective. If only England rfu could remove their heads our foreign based athletes could be selected… even if retired! Look @ marler!? At last the reality ….rugby is physical yes they’ve stopped the pure violence but it should always be gladiatorial. They’re applying bland marketing designed to appeal to all- dont appeal to your audience, not mums who don’t know anything about the sport or what to learn, as all they see is their son usually getting hurt. Stop dumbing down the sport into a poor pastiche of what it really is.

@billbonnington7916 7 ай бұрын

Interesting to hear him say the pro players are not producing the game that attracts people to the game - maybe the coaches should take a look at this, some of the weekends internationals were unbelievably boring for long periods of time as coaches exploit loopholes in the laws - World Rugby needs to be far quicker in implementing fixes for things like the unending kicking, 2 minutes to form a scrum, and stop referees from warning teams that they are breaking the rules rather than penalising them, players are pushing the boundaries and impacting the flow of the game but get away with it all the time. Just looked for a ticket for the Eng v Ire game in 3 weeks - 1100 quid is the cheapest available, so ask also where all the money is going...

@lukesuds5002 7 ай бұрын

Go Saints 😁

@samtyrrell4488 7 ай бұрын

Rugby needs to commercialise itself more, that doesn't necessarily mean going behind paywalls for everything straight away because you need a good enough product to do that. For me the URC is a development league for the Irish and South African teams so there's no point in being involved in it. If I was the rfu/premiership rugby I would be inviting the Welsh and Scottish teams to form a British premiership. The rivalry will fuel great numbers for viewing in person and on TV. Look at the recent matches in Europe where there was Anglo-welsh or anglo-scottish ties, they were great games with full houses viewing them. This would benefit all 3 countries far greater than the domestic competitions they're currently plying their trade in commercially and in development of their players. Both Wales and Scotland have young talent developing over the border because the league system is of a much higher standard than their own. So this would encourage them to stay in their home countries for development if this happened plus stop English talent losing out to those players as well. This would be the first fix for rugby in the UK for me, a British league with the possibility of the Irish joining if they wanted, making competitive with rivalries that fans want to watch. Genuinely after a few years of bedding in this would be the best league in Europe and Genuinely rival the top 14. The unions and league runners in the URC and premiership need to stop being so narrow minded and worrying about developing other teams, this would benefit all 4 home nations and bring in big money from ticket sales and TV rights, with sponsorships to follow as well. There'd be less reason for players to go abroad to France and Japan then as the salaries would be good enough to keep them here. I honestly think this is the way forward and the sooner it happens the quicker we can get rugby to where it belongs as one of the top sports in the world.

@rabhiggins7343 7 ай бұрын

So that'd make a 15 team British league - home & away fixtures makes 28 league games - unless there's 2 divisions. . .? Who's putting the money up to establish the comp - if it's not on subscription or PPV? The RFU who cry poverty ad nauseum. . .? The equally skint WRU &/or SRU. . .? The BBC &/or ITV who only seem interested in international rugby. . .? How's the prize money & any profits gonna be split? Should the 9 English clubs get double the amount of the 4 Welsh clubs who in turn get double the amount of the 2 Scots clubs? What about the 2 Italian clubs? How should qualification for European Champions & Challenge Cups work? 🤔

@samtyrrell4488 7 ай бұрын

@rabhiggins7343 I'm sure people wouldn't be against one paywall, if it's just sky sports or another but the issue for rugby fans currently is there's different subscriptions for each league, it's not fair on us. With the size of the league you could definitely look at splitting it into 2 divisions with a play-off system then finals similar to how URC currently do it. Money wise I'm sure there will be a whole host of people wanting to sponsor a league of this size, with TV rights and just one subscription which will hopefully encourage more subscribers instead of them being spread across multiple channels all requiring payments. Money has to be spread evenly across the teams participating but then more rewards for finishing higher and getting into Europe, similar to how the Premier league in football works, encouraging teams to want to finish higher than each other. They can either form their own league possibly with clubs from Georgia, Romania, Portugal, Spain and others. Alternatively they could try and join the French leagues. Qualification can be limited to those teams that qualify for the playoffs then the remainder go into the challenge Cup to make it fair, I don't believe every country should get an automatic place, should be only for the elite teams who earn it. Not claiming to have all the answers but I genuinely think this would solve a lot of issues especially around generating the money needed by the teams and unions.

@andreemurray7039 7 ай бұрын

Sadly club rugby membership is down a lot my son has given the game up as he only got to play 2 games this season plus ticket prices to high

@involuntarilychad4048 7 ай бұрын

For those fixtures typically played in half empty stadiums - namely LV Cup and international weekend league games - the clubs might as well slash the prices and/or let kids attend for free. Low gate receipts and a full house will at least translate to a better atmosphere and growing fanbase, as opposed to the totally stagnant return there are at these games now.

@davidwalker2402 7 ай бұрын

That’s an English thing not a rugby thing.

@dougclark9921 7 ай бұрын

You could pay players more if the wages were better balanced between owners and other staff (inc players). You could add more revenue if the game was more exciting, and I don't mean remove the scrum, as it would bring in more viewers.

@dougclark9921 7 ай бұрын

9:00 hmm I think I will stop watching altogether if you turn rugby into UFC or NFL.

@mysteryhombre81 7 ай бұрын

If older classic rugby fans (which I'm assuming you are by your stubbornness) are the only ones watching rugby will die. The game needs to change to grow.

@alanb9443 7 ай бұрын

What do you mean you could pay players more if you balanced the wages between players and owners. No rugby club pays its owner a salary and in fact the average owner looses £2 million a year to offset the cost deficit clubs produce.

@involuntarilychad4048 7 ай бұрын

How about we keep the wage cap amount the same (actually letting it fall in real terms with inflation), but exempt all further players that the clubs bring up from their academies from the cap. So clubs would have a mechanism to beat the wage cap and potentially build Champions Cup winning squads, but a mechanism that would entail significant investment in and prioritisation of grassroots and academy rugby, thereby also increasing the talent pool of the England team.

@davidwalker2402 7 ай бұрын

I think the boring thing is english rugby Scotland Ireland NZ SA PLAY a brand of rugby England haven’t seen since early 2000s . And its clear from last Saturday we are back to kicking up in the air and scrappy scrums… they say our defence was good yet we have scored 4 tries conceded 5 tries to the two worst teams excluding England in the 6 nations.

@murrayjohn8608 7 ай бұрын

God, Courts for U17 and then U20 forwards coach and then coach - that'd be a step forward, 8 Courtney's and you would be able to go out there and say "we're going to go out there this weekend and uck-em up".

@Jan-p4y 7 ай бұрын

Courtney Lawes speaking some big truths for WR. I hope they are listening. STOP APOLOGISING! Embrace rugby, stop trying to change the game

@carlh296 7 ай бұрын

The Chessum yellow card is EXACTLY what is wrong with the game. As Courtney said, it is a full contact dangerous sport. You know the risks. World rugby trying to eliminate all risks and rap the players in cotton wool is destroying the spectacle of the gladiatorial arena. Until this changes, the game will not grow.

@involuntarilychad4048 7 ай бұрын

Hell yeah 👍

@ProTantoQuid 7 ай бұрын

So, you think that the EJ approach to game promotion is better than the AF approach? The essence of success is performance. England are not offering a superior product and shouting about how they are going to beat up opponents will not bring the crowds back.

@mjribes 7 ай бұрын

Ironic. Complaining about there not being enough money in rugby to pay the lads more, and then saying that he doesn't really watch rugby. More people need to watch rugby for there to be more money in rugby!

@jingleballix 7 ай бұрын

I do not wish to pay good money to see rugby matches ruined by officials. THERE IS ZERO VALUE-FOR-MONEY......IT BEGAN TO GO PEAR-SHAPED AFTER 2015 RWC

@luke.hutchinson 7 ай бұрын

For anyone who cares, Cunningham-South doesn’t play 8 for Quins, he plays 6.

@robsargeant4737 7 ай бұрын

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@nicolasnott2739 7 ай бұрын

I'm only half joking when I say that they should put Ben Stokes in charge of England.

@REX4340 7 ай бұрын

England need a new Attack Coach.

@rob.1 7 ай бұрын

Lions 6.

@davelewis7098 7 ай бұрын

Eddie Jones told you modern games will be won and lost by the ref !! Playing a 16man opposition God bless the players

@RossCreaven-rg6td 7 ай бұрын

Rugby needs to look at adopting an nfl format, especially in England - no relegation, divisions etc. Revenue from tv deals, jersey sales etc spread across the team, centralized marketing etc Build the game from there

@nilmeanseo 7 ай бұрын

MMA fighters are not paid well. There are only maybe 10 fighters who are paid what they deserve. Divide that cash between the hundreds of rugby players and you don't get much.