Enneagram: Type 5 & Over-Thinking

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@Highwind79 2 жыл бұрын

Never thought of not getting angry has to do with not giving energy to an issue that doesn't interest me. There are many times that the people around me that become perplex at me not getting angry at something that they think I should and I am indifferent

@baaf777 Жыл бұрын

Getting angry can also be the result of no feelings being triggered. Many fives are thinkers and have therefore relatively suppressed feelings.

@alialiraqi2664 Жыл бұрын

I get mad if i wait for the bus and it doesn't arrive 😂

@iseanica 2 жыл бұрын

Thinking: 99% Doing: 1% That's me Also the body IS support for your head. For your brain actually. We are our brains, all the feelings and "heart desires" are also created there. But I do understand what you meant by that, it's that we shouldn't try to intellectualize everything. Thank you for the video!

@kisslena 2 жыл бұрын

Great points! Road rage for example. A bad driver on the road should be avoided. I’ve seen people get worked up over how someone who they don’t know is driving. How about stay away from that person who is front of you? You have control and I’m sure you don’t want to meet them in an accident. Seems simple to me.😂5w4 rationale.

@maudline Жыл бұрын

Yes! My sister gets so angry at other drivers and I’m just ??? Like why waist your energy on yelling at someone who cannot hear you?! 😅

@dakotasycamore5260 Жыл бұрын

i am a 5 and also guitar player. great video and great guitars!

@HighFiveFriend 2 жыл бұрын

I completely appreciate my potential “5” blindspots being brought to my attention. It’s like having a friend that will tell you you have spinach in your teeth or toilet paper on your shoe. Everyone needs this (whether you like it or not, really). The difficulty lies in the delivery. Some people prefer it be direct, and some people need a more flowery approach. For me personally, I am much better at this at 50 than I was when I was younger. But it has taken experience and deliberate effort.

@hannahwilliams9290 Жыл бұрын

oooh. many people don't respond well to such direct questions about why they allow themselves to deplete their own energy sources over trivial things or why they let others take advantage of them. I mean, when I'm asked for direct advice, i'll give it. but I do not just confront others with this understanding. I've learned my lesson(s).

@MX-CO 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a 5 and I'm a major over thinker

@channingroth6558 Жыл бұрын

As a 5w4, I can say I think with my heart!

@healthdoc Жыл бұрын

The degree to which someone annoys you is also the degree to whom they control you.

@macoeur1122 2 жыл бұрын

That awareness of how much time/energy/attention I have and how it needs to be wisely managed, is SO VERY TRUE! I can think of two examples just in the past couple of days where this was evident. 1: Speaking with a friend about some "premium windows" I recently ordered which arrived in absolutely horrendous condition (severely scratched up frames and covered in silicone and dirt) and I just explained to her...calmly...that I truly couldn't believe they would send new custom (not cheap) windows out to customers in far worse condition than the ones you can just pick up, inexpensively, off the shelf at your big box store...and also explained that I've spoken with the company and they're going to deal with it..and that I might be finished with the whole process within 9 months of when I initially ordered them...but that I really don't have any desire to focus on or spend time complaining about it because that would just be an "additional" waste of my time and energy. 2: I was checking out at the grocery store yesterday and was asked if I had their loyalty card, and when I told her "no", she asked if I'd like to apply for one, I told her, "no, I have too many cards on my key ring already, and that they take attention and time to actually figure out how to make good use of them, and I just didn't have the available attention. (She seemed to totally "get" what I meant. Maybe she was a 5 too!) I am CONTANTLY aware of my "energy usage"...It's almost as if I have an internal "gas gauge" that I can access at any time...and DO...multiple times per day...to help me decide whether I can afford to spend that "attention fuel" on whatever happens to present itself as "up for grabs". Most things end up in the "no thank you" category! 😋 Is that an agapanthus at 13:36? lol...a little random insertion with no explanation? :))) Thank you! Love your videos! I totally agree with your perspective on "balance" and I feel certain you wouldn't even make these suggestions if you didn't think it was possible for each type to move toward more balance...so you must also know that each type can present at varying levels of self-awareness and varying levels of balance. I wonder if the reason people feel you're hard on 5's is because you seem to be speaking to younger, less developed 5's (maybe because your son is youngish). All very VERY good advice (and you can tell your son I, as a 5, "approve"), but it can occasionally feel a bit like... "are you talking to me?" to some of us older farts.

@crackedcrowd 2 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to say thank you for all of your videos! I’ve used the information to help dissect my own type, and those in my family as well :) you’ve helped inspire me to create my own channel, and talk about my journey to health and happiness. The second episode is about some insights about my own enneagram type :) I am a 9w1/2w1, which I know you’re familiar with!

@crackedcrowd 2 жыл бұрын

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@macoeur1122 2 жыл бұрын

Dude...Lovin' the preaching on "balance" between the heart & the head and the mention of right vs. left brain. I think being a 5 with a 4wing has, thankfully, given me access to both. I always research everything before making a decision, but once I narrow down what's "best" from a left brain perspective, I include the right hemisphere's perspective, which I always allow to have the final say. Right vs. left hemipshere processing, just like everything else in the world, of late, seems to get polarized and people feel the need to put one above the other, but the truth is, they are both very important...and if you listen to Iain McGilchrist (Author of "The Divided Brain") who has studied the differences in the hemispheres more than anyone on the planet, he would actually say that, while both of these modes are indispensable, the right hemisphere is actually slightly more important in that it's actually "capable" of seeing and valuing the contributions of left-hemisphere activities, whereas the left hemisphere tends to be oblivious to the value of the right hemisphere's input. (they know this due to the functions that stroke patients lose, depending on which hemisphere the stroke damage occured in) The title of one of his books called "The Master and his Emissary" was based on this idea. The "master" being the right hemisphere...more inclusive...better at understanding the "bigger picture" and the "relationships" of many things to each other, producing "gestalt" type understanding of reality, and much more "in touch" with reality. Wisdom. and... The "Emissary" being the left hemisphere... has narrower focus... sees "parts" (data) of wholes thinking it can understand the world by understanding how all of it's parts fit together .... focused on "grabbing & getting & manipulating" these "parts" to it's will....thinks (in error) that it's view of the world is far superior to the right hemisphere's view. Has a very high opinion of itself. "Balance is key" and if you're having trouble "breaking the tie", you can pretty much count on the right hemisphere to make the best decision. It will take into account what the left hemisphere has to offer because it can clearly see the value of that input, but it can also recognize that it's only a part of the whole picture. A useful & important part, yes...but cannot be trusted to see the larger implications of the choices it would make, if left "in charge".

@hannahlouisefitzpatrick6742 Жыл бұрын

Thank-you! This is an excellent description of my type 5 way of thinking.

@zrx8966 2 жыл бұрын

Listen to what my heart wants. Alright, trying to open the box protecting my heart, challenging but I successfully complete task. Now heart what do you want? Yes, I can see that is what you want. Brain can’t help its self and analyze what will occur if you follow your heart. Box gets closed around heart. Thanks for the suggestion Doctor, this was a fun game 😄

@lisatowe778 2 жыл бұрын

Humans always take energy from me and rarely give me anything in return unless I allow the love of God to walk inside me so I see the pain and confusion so many carry every day with their feelings. Humans are very draining with their emotions and drama and as an empath I can drown in their hurricane but God gives me strength and when I allow Him to lead I can make it

@vapalaca Жыл бұрын

This hits very close to home.

@maryellenott50 Жыл бұрын

This is helpful for me as an 8 since I go toward 5 in stress.

@donnathedead7554 2 жыл бұрын

7s: Don't sweat the small stuff. 5s: It's all small stuff.

@lisamaria24 Жыл бұрын

I'm 5 wing 4 and these are spot on

@charlespackwood2055 9 ай бұрын

The only time that I get a new insight, is when I transcend the boundaries of my current insights. My thoughts must go beyond my current boundaries of known knowledge. This is capable regardless of any limitations. And that's an amazing thought. I am often limited by space, by finances or the boundaries set by others. But I can think. cogito ergo sum. T*H*I*N*K !

@jeremiahclark389 Жыл бұрын

I like how you say that the type 5 should lean into type 4 and the type 6 when making decisions, because then you get both the head and heart to find balance on making those decisions.. thank you for that from a type 5w4

@twlahue Жыл бұрын

Glad to help

@vunguyentr5561 2 жыл бұрын

hi fellow 5s

@Pfaar_Ting Жыл бұрын

Is the 5 guys burgers and fries name referencing enneagrams? Was it founded by type 5s overthinking the best way to cook a burger?

@alphadevoir6310 2 жыл бұрын

What's up doc Tom? This is my spin on the "follow your heart idea", based on both experience, & intuition. Never follow your ❤ because it will allow itself to become broken. Follow the instincts that God gave ya. If you follow your ❤ you will eventually fall victim to a borderline, narcissist, histrionic, sociopath, psychopath, woman that will be single for the rest of her life because of the lifestyle she chose, & any type of wolf in 🐑's clothing. Follow your God given instincts because they're there for a reason. It may break your ❤ if you ignore it, but you gain resilience, strength, & wisdom. You may never get what your ❤ wants, so why live with the burdens for the rest of your life based on the high expectations you have for yourself because of the hopes, & dreams you had as a high school senior.

@Tayn120 2 жыл бұрын

Im a four but have a strooong wing five and also am dating a five. Sometimes i intellectualize my feelings and do research when I need to just let go and look at my heart. But its scary! And i do it even as a four!!! Crazy

@BigMExpress 2 жыл бұрын

I think the understanding of the body being a structure which holds up the head/brain will help me relate to others when they misidentify me as asexual.

@isa-manuelaalbrecht2951 2 жыл бұрын

5 is your integrative line..welcome from 5/6 in Switzerland..you are a great and amazing teacher, thanx all best from Isa 😁🤩🤭👏👏👏😏

@isa-manuelaalbrecht2951 Жыл бұрын

I better take the red- one..😁😍🤭

@agatatomicka8537 2 жыл бұрын

Love this!

@tassey 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video. Haven't looked at this material for a while, but was thinking, yes a 5, about how I was processing all the political and international turmoil. I think perhaps the stress we are all under is pushing a lot of people into disintegration. What happens when it is more than individual stress, more than community stress, when it is whole cultures undergoing existential stress? No answers, just thinking.

@Sodablood Жыл бұрын

Sometimes it feels better to choose the optimal over the preferential lol

@lesleybarnes4750 2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about what you can't control- my motto in life. So when making a decision I will be weighing up all the facts, if my 'heart' still considers the other- I know it wins. The only slight doubt I have in my mind about being a five, is that I think my dad might be a five, and I wonder if I adopted these things by default/observation or I i learnt the faults in him and became a better person? But doesn't that make me sound pretentious AF! (Which brought up the possibility of a SP 3 but..ambition? What's that!)

@TrolololYAK 2 жыл бұрын

I do really feel and I’m able to express my feelings way more than others being. I express them with words, like an essence of perfume, in a matter of fact way. Before I was a robot ; Not able to choose a team, not able to take part in what was important to me because "Everything is the same, Who cares ?". But now I have strong feelings. Simply this rationality, the cold winter of Russian plains is running under water. And I feel it coming back to surface when what I feel is turning bad, incoherent, questionable. I’m scared of that to say the truth. I know that this cold stream is true, the hard truth can't be something else but I accept to fool myself with a pinch of heart, a handful of feelings, because otherwise life is unbereable. I would love being able to roam into life without having to rely on someone else to be my confidant. I would love to be a happy robot. But it's not possible to me.

@ashleyching5786 2 жыл бұрын

The body is more than support for the head!

@ashleyching5786 2 жыл бұрын

Wisdom requires experience.

@ashleyching5786 2 жыл бұрын

What research concludes VS What do you feel is right in your heart? What do you want?

@auntieb3621 10 ай бұрын

I agree with a ton of this. This while idea about safety though... That's seriously laughable. Sorry my fellow fivers, that don't exist. I'm not afraid of being unsafe because absolute safety isn't even real. I'm really sorry that you missed your dad while he was here. I know that's real. I can't tell you why some people no matter the number won't ever accept that changed are needed or even possible, and I feel for you. I am very 5. I don't comprehend much slang and people's reactions to things often surprise me. I'm extremely literal. I'm also skeptical. I do not believe you when you say that "we want to love you" is real either. I want to though. I really want to. But it seems that when i have really put in the effort I've been made a huge fool of and it's hard to Believe in things that i cannot quantify or calculate... Though i know there are many. Thank you for your KZbin videos. I appreciate your effort!

@Brakka86 Жыл бұрын

Hmm, I have always been told by people close to me that I overthink or think too much and don't act, that I withdraw from the world and people too much. It has always been very easy for me to think myself into a dark hole to be honest and to cope by consuming a lot of information trying to figure out how the world and people work, very willing to engage with any and all even darkest of topics without becoming emotionally reactive. If I'm not careful I could very easily slip into "Kaczynski territory". I used to think I might be sx 6 due to my reactive anger but its becoming fairly obvious just how much of a 5 I am and the reactive anger merely comes from conflict avoidance and bottling up stuff in order to get along with people when I clearly can't and shouldn't. To be honest E6 disintegration and integration paths never made any sense as well because what would fix me would be to be more assertive and to engage with the world by doing rather than thinking and withdrawing into my head. I have always been both rather 6-ish and 4-ish at the same time since I'm a thinking type that never feels like he belongs / finds groups stifling and claustrophobic. I desperately need my independence and to create a mental as well as a physical barrier between me and the world. Sometimes I think I'm an 8, but when I meet an 8 its clear to me they are not deliberate people and are likely to act without thinking where I'm the complete opposite. I'm like that eccentric mage in a tower in the middle of a swamp.