Ep.1 Radiomaster TX16S EdgeTX to Spektrum Forward Programming

[@shanesdiy]

The forward programming lua scripts have gone through many updates since this video series, be sure to update to the latest to get all the functionality! Here's the link to get the latest scripts. github.com/frankiearzu/DSMTools Also, I recently made a video dedicated to installing or updating to the latest version of DSM Tools. I highly recommend this newer video to get your TX16S DSM Tools scripts up to date. Here is the link. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3O7gGRpd9eSoKM

[@NaturebyGus]

You saved me a LOT of time with that tip of the RF Protocol to X 2F. My radio was using the 2 1F and the telemetry was disabled on my AR636. Now I have everything up and running. Thanks!!

[@warren3174]

I stumbled onto this accidentally 😂

[@JohnMcClun]

Good thing you're a PIC programmer and can figure some of this out. Ive done some programming but what you've accomplished is fantastic. I'm learning so much from your videos. I take my TX16S to field and everyone ask how I've gotten it to work with my AR receivers and I point them to your videos. Keep up the great work Shane.

[@joeistheg.o.a.t8456]

I can’t seem to get this figured out. I got into this hobby this past spring and started with a TX16S and had no problem with eflite umx planes and getting safe/AS3X on a switch to turn safe on and off. Even these smaller Chinese volantax planes I have safe limited safe and off on one of my three way switches. I recently bought an AR630 and two 7 channel lemon receivers and I can’t get safe or as3x on these new receivers. So I took out a AR631+ from my F4U Corsair I haven’t built yet to fly my new A10 twin 50mm and followed the binding instructions and it bound in safe. It is on channel 8 because the Corsair has retracts flaps led control so the safe is on always. I couldn’t turn it off. So last night I went into forward programming and it’s limited. I got it to work once then changed something on forward programming flight mode because safe was on my SA up and I am used to it being down so something happened in forward programming because now I don’t have safe or AS3X at all now. It’s strange in forward programming because it has safe on/off AS3X on/off also has safe select on/off at the bottom. Flight modes 0-2 with the switch Aux3 forward programming on my transmitter screen which is SA ? I am totally lost now. I should not have messed with forward programming because I would of took the A10 up for its maiden this morning. I could probably do with out but I am really new to flying and I am used to having safe for emergencies and I also like to fly in safe when I don’t want to think to much

[@shanesdiy]

That's a lot to unpack but let's dive in a see what we can figure out. First, to my knowledge, Lemon receivers are not "Smart" compatible and don't have the Spektrum AS3X and safe functions you can access via Forward Programming. The Spektrum AR630 does but if you purchased it off the shelf they don't come with any gyro setup configured. You have to set them up from scratch to enable safe and as3x. This video series covers all the steps if you make it through all the episodes. The AR631 that came with a BNF airplane will have a specific setup based on the F4U and very unlikely the gyro directions would be correct for the A10 so you would have to unlock it and do a factory reset to be able to sort out the gyro control directions. Some trainer airplanes like the Apprentice, AeroScout, etc. have SAFE features always enabled and you can switch between 3 default gyro modes with a switch on the assigned channel. The AR631 from your F4U is setup as "SAFE Select" which means you can enable or disable the SAFE flight mode during the bind or via Forward Programming. If SAFE Select is OFF you won't be able to access the SAFE Flight mode "0" via the switch you assigned. With SAFE Select OFF two of the switch positions would be selecting flight mode 1 (you don't have flight mode 0). The 3rd switch position will select flight mode 2. SAFE Select enabled receivers also allow you to assign the desired channel to use for Flight Modes. Sounds like you used channel 8 which should be fine. Make sure you do NOT check the "Enable max. throws" checkbox on the TX16S RF setup and also make sure you have the channel range in the TX16S set for channels 1-12. If it is set for 1-6 the radio will only transmit on those channels. If you set it for 1-16 I think it still only transmits on 1-6 because it also doesn't work for channels 7, 8, 9, etc. The SMART telemetry function of those receivers only works for channels 1-12 via the Multi-Protocol Module, so it is best to set your model RF setup to channels 1-12. We can dig deeper but start with these items and let me know where you end up. I know some of these videos in the series can be long but try not to skip around or you might miss a key instruction. Also, curious what version of the Forward Programming DSM tools scripts you have on your TX16S. There have been many updates since this video so it is important to get your DSM Tools scripts up to date. One of my more recent videos shows how to install or update your DSM Tools using the latest and greatest version and process and it is quick and to the point.

[@joeistheg.o.a.t8456]

@ thanks for responding. So I went to version and it looks like this 2.7.1(a55aff02) then I clicked on RX version it shows V1.33 37 AETR. You mentioned that the AR631 that came with my F4U will be wrong for the A10? When safe was working it was going the wrong way I noted then I went to special functions channel 8 and marked the box inverted and it worked in the correct way after that. I just messed around with forward programming and now no safe or AS3X.

[@shanesdiy]

@@joeistheg.o.a.t8456 The Multi-protocol version of 1.33.37 AETR is ok but to get full DSM Tools functionality you might need to update EdgeTX from 2.7.1, that is pretty old. Current EdgeTX is 2.10.5. The version I was referring to in the first comment was the DSM Tools version. The default Forward Programming that came on your radio is probably v0.2. In this video the current version was 0.53 and as of today the version is v0.59. Using a Special Function for channel 8 works but not needed, you can just setup channel 8 in the MIXES page with the SA switch as the source. Then if you need to reverse it go to the OUTPUTS page and invert it. Perhaps that's what you meant? Channel 8 isn't what I was referring to for the gyro directions. Channels 1-4 for the ailerons, elevator, and rudder you must match control direction from the radio stick control and also make sure the gyro is moving the control surfaces the correct direction when in safe mode. If the gyro is moving them incorrectly it doesn't matter if your sticks move them correctly, if you throw it in safe while in the air and the gyro is wrong it will be nearly impossible to not crash unless you take it back out of safe quickly. If you aren't 100% sure the gyro is moving the correct direction do not fly until you are. To know if Safe Select is on, when you power up the plane and radio, if the control surfaces "dance twice" SAFE Select is enabled and you should be able to select between all 3 flight modes if your safe channel is setup correctly. If you power it on and only get a "single dance" then SAFE select is OFF and the SAFE auto leveling mode will not be available.

[@joeistheg.o.a.t8456]

I was able to get safe back but I can’t get it to go off now just like from the beginning when I first bound it. I am not messing with forward programming again until after I get to fly it once in safe and also after I update my radiomaster. To get safe back I went to forward programming and initially it only had gyro settings on my screen left upper side. Upper right side is (back) then at the bottom middle there was a few letters …don’t know what they referred to but i highlighted it clicked it…instantly kicked me out then when I went back to forward programming it had other settings now below gyro settings . I clicked on that did reset to factory settings. So now when I powered up the plane it didn’t dance twice. Was bound but no stability whatsoever and my controls were reversed again. I go back to forward programming other settings and below the factory reset is restore saved settings. I never saved anything but I figured e-flite or whoever set it up first had saved. I clicked restored and safe is activated now in correct directions . Also now on Forward Programming under gyro settings it has AS3X settings below Safe settings all of the sudden. Wasn’t there before. I just need to update it first before I mess around anymore.

[@shanesdiy]

@@joeistheg.o.a.t8456 What version of Forward Programming are you using? If you are using the old v0.2 you will not be able to do much such as reverse gyro directions if necessary. Since you are using a receiver originally setup for a different airplane I am very concerned your gyro auto leveling control directions could be backwards. In Episode 3 of this series is when I really get into the setup, reversing gyro directions, etc. I show how to reverse the gyro control directions as well as the radio. Both must be correct and have very different procedures to adjust. If they are backwards you will have to do the factory reset and start from scratch. In order to start from scratch you will need to do the radio EdgeTX update as well as the DSM Tools update. I highly recommend popping some popcorn and setting through this entire series. There are the initial 3 episodes then a couple bonus episodes that could be helpful. Then I have an episode on "easy EdgeTX updates" and another more recent video on updating the DSM Tools that you really need to watch when you are ready to update. If you'd like me to have a look at your model setup, you can get copy the "model##.yml" file off the radios SD card and email it to me and I'd be happy to have a look and make any suggestions. Email is shanesdiychannel [at] gmail.com

[@kurtrocker9120]

Thank you so much. I have been beating my head trying to get this on my radio.

[@shanesdiy]

Thanks for the comment, makes the time spent worth it!

[@warren3174]

Donation made. You rock and are appreciated

[@warren3174]

Donation to the maker I mean. But you rock because you brought it to my attention 😂

[@shanesdiy]

Frankie deserves it! I donated to him as well!

[@warren3174]

@@shanesdiy you deserve a donation too. I needed your work along with his.

[@ChrisRoddick]

Thanks Shane! Excellent video! Finally have Forward Programming for my many Spektrum RX. Looking forward to more!

[@jheinrichk]

thanks for this and the last note on DSMX rather than DSM.

[@warren3174]

Downloading this now. Fingers crossed. I’ve been waiting for this !😂 I’ve refused to buy a spectrum tx. I’ll yank the Rx and replace it before I do that 😂

[@ggimlick]

Nice job, thanks. Looking forward to updates and the rest of the series

[@roystevenson9632]

Great stuff thanks. Just picked up a Boxer 4 in 1 to use with a Turbo Timber Evolution and A10 and so far managed to bind with the Turbo Timber (not yet tried the A10) but the aileron’s and rudder are reversed and also need to figure out the flaps.

[@shanesdiy]

v0.53 Forward Programming doesn't work with the Boxer due to lack of memory but this morning I was chatting with the developer and he is close to releasing a "slim" version of Forward Programming that will give you some of the functionality. You probably won't be able to do a full factory reset RX setup with it because those were the memory hog features that had to go. Hopefully more on that in a future video. The Turbo Timber Evo can be mostly setup without Forward Programming such as re-assigning the safe channel. Reverse thrust you'll need a Spectrum ESC programmer or a Spectrum transmitter to setup.

[@dzydvl33]

Thank you Shane. You ROCK!!!! This is prefect.

[@shanesdiy]

Thanks to you, I moved this video series up my timeline! Seems quite a few people needed this! Stay tuned for future episodes, they should also be helpful.

[@tomcleary2785]

Nice to see progress much appreciated , I’m quiet green to this and have one question,0.53 with that I can set up a new out of the box AR8360T receiver ? Eg gyro safe ? A reply is much appreciated,tom 10:37

[@shanesdiy]

While I have not personally used an AR8360T, the Forward Programming Lua for EdgeTX should perform any function that a Spektrum transmitter will do. I know the multi-protocol module will receive telemetry but I am not certain it has 100% compatibility with all the full range telemetry values.

[@noobiekush]

Does this apply if I'm using external 4 in 1 multiprotocol module?

[@shanesdiy]

Yes, it will. As long as your TX16S will communicate with Spektrum DSMX and you have the necessary Lua scripts and minimum EdgeTX version this applies. If you have a black and white radio like the Zorro or Boxer, I don't believe all of the forward programming functions are available yet due to lower memory, at least as of the time of this comment.

[@noobiekush]

@shanesdiy I have the mark ii tx16s. But it's got the internal elrs module . So i just ordered the external 4 in 1 module since most of my planes have spektrum receivers. Glad to know this works! Thank you!

[@shanesdiy]

@@noobiekush Perfect, yes, anything that will work for the internal module should work the same with the external module. Been several Lua updates since I made this video so just be sure to get the latest versions. I believe I updated the links in the description to the current ones.

[@teamchecko9086]

hello, im not sure if this is a way i could follow but im trying to figure out how can i connect my edgetx to the scout? i contacted radio master and this is what they said "RadioMaster RC Hi, I checked the product introduction of AeroScout S 2 1.1m BNF and saw that the receiver it carries is Spektrum AR631 DSMX 6-Channel AS3X & SAFE Receiver. If you buy a TX16S with a built-in ELRS RF module, you can only bind the ELRS 2.4 GHz receiver, not the Spektrum DSMX receiver. If you buy a TX16S with a built-in 4in1 module, you can bind this Spektrum DSMX protocol receiver. Built-in 4in1 module: supports SPEKTRUM AS3X receiver. I found a video on KZbin about how to bind and set up the AS3X receiver. i bought the tx16s edgetx with built in elrs, but in the box i also have a package with like some reciever and labeled elrs..

[@shanesdiy]

You can purchase an external 4in1 RF module for the TX16S that would snap on the back then you can have both ELRS and 4in1 for Spektrum, FrSky, FlySky, etc. That would be my recommendation. If you setup another plane in the future you can use ELRS if desired. You can, of course change the receiver in the AeroScout but you'll need one with PWM servo outputs. What model ELRS receivers came with your radio? Some are only serial output and have no servo outputs and to use one of those, you would also need to add a flight controller of some type. I would get the external 4in1 module. Keep the AeroScout stock and follow the procedure in my more recent video linked below. Unless you need to do some custom programming you don't need forward programming or to unlock the receiver as discussed in this video series. The video at my link below shows how to setup your AeroScout using the stock receiver. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJbJcox4f7uXrM0

[@teamchecko9086]

@@shanesdiy thanks for replying back, the radio i got came in the bundle with the atom rc swordfish. im not to familiar to much on components from receivers but i ordered the atom rc swordfish with a flight controller, gps installed, inav installed RTH, FPV ready , and some other good stuff in the plane. and the radio it came with is the radiomaster tx16s mk2 + RP1 receiver with internal elrs. thats as much as i know. not sure where i use the rp1 receiver for? i ordered the aeroscout because i do not want to crash the swordfish so i wanna get my hands wet on aeroscout. the elrs package is a rp1 receiver that came in the box.

[@shanesdiy]

@@teamchecko9086 The RP1 is a tiny ELRS receiver that connects to a flight controller. It doesn't control servos by itself. The RP1, and receivers like it, let your TX16S talk to the flight controller and the flight controller runs all the aircraft systems. Servos, motor ESC, GPS, etc. I'd keep all that equipment for the Swordfish and leave the AeroScout stock to get some flight training. Get the external 4in1 RF module and then you can bind to just about any receiver on the market with your radio. My radio has the internal 4in1 and I have external ELRS so just the opposite as you but will do the same thing. I also have an external 4in1 module. Very versatile radio.

[@xXRapToRiXxGamer]

Hi There I finally got my TX16S and have the software all up and running. I am using the AR10360T 10ch receiver and I could bind it and go into model setup no problem. I have one issue: Why can't I use all 16 channels in the page where I select the X2F protocoll? It only goes up to 12. Is that a technical limitation? I know the receiver supports 20 channels (10 physical and 10 virtual). Regards!

[@shanesdiy]

It is some sort of limitation with telemetry and DSM. Does bring to question how/if we can take advantage of all available channels. I will reach out to one of the developers and see if he has any insight on how we can unlock more channels. Perhaps with the new Spektrum updates the multi-protocol-module firmware also needs an update.

[@xXRapToRiXxGamer]

@@shanesdiy OK, thx. BTW I have now almost fully setup my F16 and my desired setup is complete. I will definitely make a donation to the team later... One "bug" I encountered was at the AUX setup wizard where it takes you through the stick inputs it only let me proceed for roll and pitch if I moved the sticks the opposite way to the picture that was shown. Then I had to go in to aux settings and reverse the stabilization for roll and pitch. Doable but for newcomers a bit confusing.

[@Silentecho12345]

Does this basically allow the same forward programming done on a spectrum transmitter like setting up safe on a brand new receiver for a pnp plane?

[@shanesdiy]

Yes it does. A new Spektrum receiver that didn't come in a BNF plane would be easier. One focus of this series is how to unlock the BNF receivers to let you start from scratch if you desire. On an "off the shelf" receiver you can skip that step since they will already be unlocked. If your receiver is unlocked already once you get this software setup as shown in episode #1 you can start programming your receiver immediately!

[@teamchecko9086]

thank you so much for your info, i understand now. just subbed to your channel. i appreciate it.

[@travisabel2652]

Hey Shane, wondering if you can help me. I’m using a TX16S and an AR630. I have successfully uploaded the latest files to my TX and I’m able to bind successfully, however when I attempt to enter forward programming, I get the error message “no compatible DSM receiver.” Do you know what the source of the error could be? Thanks!

[@shanesdiy]

Did you get the latest forward programming scripts for the B&W radios? Current versions for the Boxer would be "DSM FwdPrg_56_MIN.lua" and "DSM FwdPrg_56_STUP.lua" and be sure to install the /SCRIPTS/TOOLS/DSMLIB folder with its contents from the GitHub package and make sure you create the /MODELS/DSMDATA folder. If you upgraded from an older version be sure you deleted the old /SCRIPTS/TOOLS/DSMLIB folder and copied the latest DSMLIB folder to match the new Lua scripts. How old is the AR630 and was it from a BNF airplane? If it has older, locked firmware you might get messages like that so might need to update the firmware with the Spektrum USB cable. Spektrum just released 2.48.0 firmware in the last few days. Make sure when you bind, you use DSM X2F and not one of the DSM2 protocols as they have limited functionality with the "Smart" features. For troubleshooting, you can pull the "dsm_min_log.txt" file off your SD card from the /LOGS folder and send it to me, it might offer some information if the above things to fix it.

[@shanesdiy]

One more thing, in your Internal RF setup be sure the "Channels Enabled" is set for 1-12. Sometimes it defaults to 1-6 or 1-16 and those may give you problems because the proper number of channels won't be active.

[@travisabel2652]

Thank you for your help and taking the time to write your reply! I really appreciate it! I’m pretty sure the channels not being 1-12 was the issue. Was able to do the first time setup and activate everything, now I just need to figure out how to set everything up properly lol. Thank again, Shane!

[@christianboehm83]

Awesome work! 🤩👌

[@shanesdiy]

Thanks!

[@N8904V]

Very intriguing video. Recently, I purchased Radio Master TX16S for inav and Ardupilot. For years, I was fighting with Spektrum with compatibility issues with inav. Currently I have Spektrum IX 14 which I'm considering selling. Is forward programming compatible with smart ESC?

[@shanesdiy]

The Smart ESC doesn't use forward programming but has its own "app" to edit. We fortunately also have that capability as well. If you find my video about reverse thrust on the Aeroscout I demonstrate the DSM Telemetry app on the TX16S. At the moment we have full forward programming and smart ESC compatibility with EdgeTX!

[@N8904V]

@shanesdiy Wonderful news. I just purchased a 4 in1 module for my TX16S. I'm going to give it a whirl. If I like it then I'm going to say bye-bye Spektrum.

[@shanesdiy]

The Lua versions and links to get the updates change through this series as it was in active development at the time. Current links to the GitHub pages can be found in the description and I mention the updates periodically through the various videos. Let me know if you have any questions!

[@scottyd035ntknow]

Does this work with any AS3X receiver? What about the new AS3X+?

[@shanesdiy]

Yes, starting with DSM Tools script v0.58 (current is v0.59) AS3X+ compatibility was added. Make sure you also have EdgeTX updated as well. I also have a more recent video on how to install or update to the latest version of DSM Tools.

[@786free1]

Is forward programming on the TX16S compatible with the Spektrum AR636A?

[@shanesdiy]

The AR636 doesn't use Forward Programming at all. It is configured with the same SPMA3065 USB adapter but you can adjust settings with the Spektrum Programmer PC software. Another 3rd party software that lets you make changes to the AR636 is called "SAFE Model Builder for AR636". With these two programs you can configure everything on the AR636. There is a KZbin channel called "txkflier" that has the best AR636 tutorial video I've found on KZbin. He comments on my videos occasionally. I've considered making a video on the AR636 but his is so good it doesn't make sense for me to make one, lol. Here's a link to that video. Let me know if you have any specific questions. I have this receiver and am familiar with the setup process. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmGok2RrrKZrqqMsi=NO-OcvWnycpcgqhM

[@786free1]

@@shanesdiy thank you. I'll check it out.

[@atamargo99]

thanks for you video!!! GREAT. I possible to use with blade helicopter?

[@shanesdiy]

Do the blade helicopters use Spektrum receivers and do they use forward programming for setup? If so, then this may work for you. I am not familiar with any helis so I can't say for sure. Working on Episode 2 today!

[@edwinroper5458]

i cant find that file any were can you post the link directly to it bc i have searched for the past 2 months trying to fine those files any help would be greatly appreciated thanks

[@shanesdiy]

The description has the updated github link. Here is it again. github.com/frankiearzu/DSMTools In Episode 3 of this series at the 47:10 mark I show how to get the newer file. Not the latest but latest as of that video which was v0.54. This link takes you to that video at the 47:10 mark. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3bJfXqker-Bb7csi=kEdhb7WOCMIGzwEz&t=2830

[@bigeclipse718]

Will this work with forward programming on the 8 and 10 channel SAFE receivers that came out about a year ago? You only list the 6 channel ones.

[@shanesdiy]

Any DSMX receivers that use Forward Programming should work the same as any Spektrum transmitter. Now since I made these episodes the developer has been making updates so be sure to get the latest script versions. As I write this comment, the current version is v0.55 and you'll need EdgeTX version 2.8.4 or higher to take advantage of all the updates and features. Keep in mind that even the 6 channel receivers have up to 20 "virtual channels" that can be used for safe select, reverse thrust, gyro gains, etc.

[@glenn4452]

I’m new to all of this I have a spektrum nx6 and a radiomaster tx16,how do I go about setting it up,because I like the look and feel of the radiomaster a whole lot better

[@shanesdiy]

Sorry, just found your comment and see that it was never answered. Best advise is to watch lots of videos. I have many on setting up various things and there are several channels that are awesome resources as well. "RC Video Reviews" channel has 100's of videos on setting it up. As you get specific questions feel free to ask.

[@glenn4452]

@@shanesdiy thank you much appreciated sir

[@KroonFPV]

Hi do i need realy the edge tx 2.8.0 firmware or newer? Because i have the stock 2.7.1 and it works good as yours. Or giving it problems when i fly with my spektrum plane's? Tanks!

[@shanesdiy]

If you have the latest v0.56 Forward Programming script on the radio and it works no reason to update. I "think" 2.7.1 or newer is OK for Forward Programming. I'm double checking with the developer and will post here if I am mistaken. The "DSM Smart RX Tel" scripts do require 2.8.3 or higher to work with the Avian ESC's. I get into that in later videos on the channel.

[@shanesdiy]

Just confirmed with the developer, unless you decide to use the "DSM Smart RX Tel" script for Avian ESC setup, your 2.7.1 will be fine with Forward Programming v0.56 which is the latest as of today.

[@shanesdiy]

@@KroonFPV When you upgrade from v0.54 to v0.56 be sure to delete the old /SCRIPTS/TOOLS/DSMLIB folder and contents and copy the new DSMLIB folder you'll receive with the v0.56 files. You'll get errors if you don't. I did confirm with the developer that 2.7.1 will be fine with the Forward Programming functions. If you decide to try and run the DSM Smart RX Tel script you will then need to update to EdgeTX 2.8.3 or higher.

[@JamesMorrowSr]

I just bought a replacement 631 (not bnf) will this be locked??? Will it be programmed properly for the Aeroscout??? AAS3X and SAFE

[@shanesdiy]

Most likely it will have no gryo/safe setting configured. It will just be a normal, non gyro receiver until the "first time setups are completed most likely. I suppose it is possible they pre-program the AeroScout safe settings if you order it as an AeroScout replacement. I think it would say something about that on the sales order if it had been pre-programmed.

[@JamesMorrowSr]

AR631 model files can be downloaded on the receiver as shown below. Smart Receiver Preset Model File Import Tutorial - AR637T AR630 AR631 AR8360T AR10360T - KZbin AS3X-SAFE-RX.pdf - Airplane Receiver Pre-set Model Files SPMA3065 Transmitter/Receiver Programming Cable: USB Interface Joe P - Technical Product Support At Your Service - Tue-Sat 10-7 CST ref:!00D6g023inq.!500Pp0959Lg:ref

[@alexherrera3918]

Is there a programming in the BOXER TX?do you know?

[@shanesdiy]

I have not done it myself but yes, I believe the latest version of forward programming for EdgeTX will work on the boxer.

[@marin_real_estate_photography]

On the fence about selling my Spektrum DX6e and getting the RadioMaster TX16S II. Is that a good idea? I only have spektrum planes with the stock an AR636A and an AR637TA receivers in them. My issue is they are gliders with ailerons and NO flaps, an I want to have flaperons / spoilerons so I can land easier. Thanks for any suggestions.

[@shanesdiy]

We have an old DX6i, an NX6, and the TX16S. While they are all good, even the old DX6i I like, I absolutely love my TX16S, as you can probably tell if you browse my RC videos. For me it has been flawless and as a technical nut and programmer, the infinite programmability of the TX16S is amazing. I've setup my AeroScout with flaperons, I have a video or two on that, perhaps more to come. The TX16S will do anything you can dream up. With the latest developments this year with DSM Tools including updated forward programming, Avian TextGen, and telemetry scripts the Spektrum compatibility is fantastic as demonstrated in this video series. If you need the funds to move on to the TX16S and I was in your shoes I would sell the DX6e and get the TX16S in a heartbeat. If you don't necessarily need the money and have a few airplanes I'd say keep it as a backup or buddy box if you ever want to train someone. If you add an external 4 in 1 module for about $60 to the TX16S you can bind the DX6e to it wirelessly and let a buddy train through your master controller.

[@marin_real_estate_photography]

@@shanesdiy Thanks so much for the reply, Shane. I really appreciate it. I will definitely look at your aeroscout flapperons video, because I am guessing it would be similar to the BNF version of the Conscendo Evolution I own. I will look through the rest of your videos, too. Maybe you have a video on accessories for the TX16S?? Thanks again.

[@shanesdiy]

@@marin_real_estate_photography No videos on accessories yet. I have ordered an additional momentary button for it, waiting for it to arrive and I'll do an install video. If you decide to pull the trigger, there is a basic TX16S which is fine, no "bling". Be sure to get the Mark II model with the internal 4-in-1(FCC) module (unless you are in Europe you might have to get the LBT) so it will operate your Spektrum receivers. The Mark II has some general upgrades to potentiometers, buttons, audio speakers, etc. I opted for the Carbon Fiber Red Mark II Max model which has some added cosmetic upgrades as you can see in my videos. If you can swing the added cost, the AG01 gimbals are really nice. I didn't get those but my brother did (guess he had to show me up!).

[@marin_real_estate_photography]

@@shanesdiy Thanks for the tips. Yes, I am in the USA and yes, planning to get the 4-in-1 module on the MK II, and if later down the line I need it, getting the ELRS external module. The red Max model does look sweet. I guess one of my concerns though is that with my Current Spektrum DX6e and my Conscendo advanced and Conscendo Evolution, I get a lot of fades and I had a flight with three holds. I was informed by a Spektrum employee that my DX6e was the "bottom tier" model. So I guess my only real concern is whether the single antennae on the on the 4-in-1 model of the TX16S MK II is going to be the same or worse than my DX6e in terms of transmission quality (I only fline line of sight so I don't need huge range, but where I usually fly does have a lot of RF interference.)

[@shanesdiy]

All I can say about that is I've never experienced a loss of signal in flight with my TX16S. I don't check any logs to see if there are/were fades. Wish I had a more definitive answer on that but I don't. I fly in a very rural area so I don't think I have much in the way of RF interference.

[@JamesMorrowSr]

I cannot find link to V 0.53 zip file you said was linked here

[@shanesdiy]

v0.53 is not the latest any longer. Link is in the description to the github page. v0.56 is the latest at the moment. github.com/frankiearzu/DSMTools

[@JamesMorrowSr]

I thought the original link had all the files needed in one place. The github page does not. Do I install the original link first then update just v o. 56

[@shanesdiy]

Sorry for the lack of response, for some reason KZbin held your comment for review and I didn't see it. The original link went to a forum post, I assume that is the one you were referring to? The GitHub page does have everything required for the latest version of forward programming and also additional Lua scripts such as the one needed to program the Avian ESC's. In my later videos I show how I go and get the updated files and update my radio. Been thinking I should do another video soon on how to install the latest from scratch as well as how you'd correctly do the update if you had an older version so folks didn't have to scan through my other long videos to find that.

[@JamesMorrowSr]

@@shanesdiy no problem. I seem to have it. All working to some extent. I will keep learning and watching

[@nick-dm3if]

Will doing this allow me to connect to an ar6335 in a blade 180 cfx?

[@shanesdiy]

I do not believe so. I have no experience with that receiver or the Blade 180 CFX so I don't want to give you incorrect information. I don't see anything in the AR6335 manual relating to Forward Programming.

[@HenryTietz4]

i just want to check what is going on, so basiclly we are installing the foward programming menu from the spektrum radios on to our radiomaster, so we can access foward programming after we unlock our receiver that came in a bnf airplane. Also, after this is all set up will i be able to set my servo rates to 150%? Does this risk bricking my transmitter at all if not done properly?

[@shanesdiy]

I am not aware of anything within forward programming that limits, or removes limits on servo rates. The default safe and intermediate modes do have bank limits but that isn't a rate limit. Forward programming sets up the safe mode gyro settings, gyro gains and channel, gyro control directions, f-mode channel, wing & tail types, etc. Much newer scripts out since I made this episode 1 video, the github link in the description should take you to the most current updates but in this video the links I use are old. In later episodes of this series I discuss some changes, how to update the radio with the latest scripts. They can be long videos but chapters should help you find relevant details. The forward programming lua scripts are just one of many scripts that most EdgeTX radios have available. Not sure how you would brick your radio with one of these scripts but certainly if you delete something you shouldn't or corrupt your memory card, you could cause issues. Yes, these scripts, if properly installed and used, allow you to perform all functions via forward programming that you can do from a Spektrum transmitter. Also, as you'll see in my later videos, the developer has also added a script to let you setup the Spektrum Avian ESC's as well, just as you would from a Spektrum transmitter.

[@HenryTietz4]

@@shanesdiy Oh wow! I have a turbo timber evolution and was also about to replace my esc just to have thrust reverse and braking but you are saying you can just program that in to foward programming?

[@shanesdiy]

@@HenryTietz4 Technically it's not Forward Programming but similar. The Forward Programming script package has a script called "DSM_SmartRX_Tel.lua" that handles the Avian ESC programming. You do need to have your EdgeTX updated to 2.8.3 or later to get all the functionality. Two of my videos I suggest watching to learn about this. In this video series, episode 4 the "Bonus Episode" is all about the Turbo Timber Evolution so check that one out. The second is specifically about setting up reverse thrust with the TX16S on an Avian ESC from scratch. I do this on an AeroScout but the process is the same on your Timber. Here is the link to the Reverse Thrust setup video on the AeroScout. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWGvkJaBma90r5Y

[@HenryTietz4]

@@shanesdiy Thank you. I have one more question, do i have to hook up my receiver to the computer using the cable to do the fiddling with the avian esc?

[@shanesdiy]

@@HenryTietz4 Negative. The avian signal just passes through the receiver to your transmitter, just have to be bound to the RX. ESC of course must be connected to the throttle channel of the Spektrum RX.

[@Mikeylikesit1968]

For some reason my forward programming doesnt work anymore , I just get errors when I try to start the LUA . Maybe something im doing wrong

[@shanesdiy]

Make sure you still have the folder /MODELS/DSMDATA and if you updated from a previous version make sure you deleted the old /SCRIPTS/TOOLS/DSMLIB folder and contents and copied the new DSMLIB folder from the latest rev you are installing.

[@Mikeylikesit1968]

@shanesdiy found the issue, my log file wasn't a log folder

[@shanesdiy]

@@Mikeylikesit1968 Glad it was an easy one! Was chatting with Frankie and he told me. Just had to create a /LOGS folder on the SD card so forward programming had a place to store the "dsm_log.txt" file in case anyone is wondering.

[@ror-ys3qp]

Thanks, works on AR8020T but I get error unknown_F8 as a menu item but if i hit it it goes into FP menu and works....great

[@shanesdiy]

Interesting. I would like to see a screen shot of the error screen to investigate. My email is in the "About" area on my channel if you wouldn't mind sending that to me.

[@ror-ys3qp]

@@shanesdiy dne

[@shanesdiy]

@@ror-ys3qp I received it thank you. Notice that it doesn't recognize your receiver model #? Did you ever update the multi-module firmware since you purchased the transmitter? If not, I would do that and I would also see if there is a firmware update from Spektrum for the receiver. I show how to do that in episode 2. I'll forward these images to the FP v0.53 developer to see what he thinks.

[@ror-ys3qp]

@Shane's DIY it is latest Rx and multi

[@shanesdiy]

After a little more investigation, the error could be related to the receiver not having the gyro safe/as3x functions. Setting failsafe is about all you can do in Forward Programming on that receiver.

[@kelleebarton6500]

When i go to the forward programming it says cpu limit how do i fix this and get it to work?

[@shanesdiy]

What transmitter are you using and what version of Forward Programming? There have been several updates since this episode. Github link in the description will take you to the latest.

[@kelleebarton6500]

@@shanesdiy transmitters a jumper t16 and the version of fp is v0.54

[@shanesdiy]

What version of EdgeTX?

[@kelleebarton6500]

@@shanesdiy i think i figured it out i needed the latest version it seems to work now

[@shanesdiy]

Great news! So others that might have a similar issue can get help too, latest version of what? EdgeTX or Forward Programming?

[@brandonwesson6818]

Do you have any idea why i cant highlight Safe? It doesnt have a box around it like as3x and safe select. So i cant turn safe on. Its off in all 3 modes

[@shanesdiy]

If the receiver is factory configured for "Safe Select", it must be enabled during the bind process. Insert bind plug, power up, pull bind plug, then bind the transmitter. Alternatively, you can power up the RX while holding the bind button and keep holding it, then bind the transmitter. That is harder do do unless you have a helper.

[@shanesdiy]

I just retested this. For most "Safe Select" configured receivers that are still locked, you only have safe in flight mode 1. In modes 2 & 3 you can decide if you want AS3X or not. If you want full access to all functions you must follow this series, unlock it and reprogram it.

[@brandonwesson6818]

Ok. Yea for some reason safe won't come on in any 3 modes. I'm thinking maybe I messed it up with the V0.2 version. Safe was working before I updated my firmware to the latest version. The transmitter is only a couple weeks old. My friend has a spektrum Tx so I'll try to program it with it. Will also follow this series.

[@brandonwesson6818]

Thanks for helping me get the forward program tools btw. Great detailed video

[@shanesdiy]

@@brandonwesson6818 Is safe select ON currently? If not, Safe won't work. Updating the firmware just allows you to do a factory reset, it doesn't automatically change anything in the safe programming. The version used in this video isn't the latest, the github link to the latest v0.56 is in the description. With the latest Lua, the TX16S, Zorro, and Boxer can do everything you can do with a Spektrum transmitter. If you still have an issue, I don't think trying a different transmitter is going to solve the issue. Let me know what you are seeing, happy to help you with the problem.

[@mcdjacedad7359]

Hi mate, dos the lua script included spm4650 receive

[@shanesdiy]

I do not see any information that the SPM4650 has the Forward Programming interface so I do not think this Lua will communicate with that receiver. The SRXL2 communication protocol is related to the receiver communicating with a flight controller, not a transmitter.

[@mcdjacedad7359]

@@shanesdiy Thank you for your time, i know the receiver works ok

[@edwinroper5458]

the file im looking for is .54 forward programming

[@shanesdiy]

Version 0.55 is the latest. Get it at the link below. Also have a look at episode 3 of this series and I show how to get the new files towards the end. Look for the chapter on the github page. github.com/frankiearzu/DSMTools

[@RC-MarkD]

i did this and it all worked i thought brilliant. then i updated to 54 and it says no compatable rx when trying to connect to forward programming. ive tried going back to 53 and i also tried factory resetting using my dx6. still not connecting....

[@shanesdiy]

Are you still bound to the receiver and able to operate the control surfaces, throttle etc? Did you change or update any other software at the same time?

[@shanesdiy]

Did you delete the old DSMLIB folder and its contents and install the new one from the v0.54 files?

[@RC-MarkD]

I deleted the dsmlib folder and pasted in the new folder

[@RC-MarkD]

No other updates no

[@shanesdiy]

So the RX is bound to the Radiomaster and you can control it, just can't get to Forward Programming?

[@sonny._.gr86]

Yo my guy I am trying to get in contact with you regarding your old Infiniti q45 build (I have some questions because I’m hoping to do a similar turbo setup) but I couldn’t find your email or contact info anywhere. I’d love to pick your brain if you would give me the chance

[@shanesdiy]

You can find contact info in the "About" section of my KZbin channel. The forum link below is the probably the best single place for info on the build. Unfortunately, I just skimmed through the thread and I don't see the photos that were linked to Photobucket years ago. forums.nicoclub.com/1994-infiniti-q45-rear-mount-turbo-full-writeup-w-pics-t281662.html

[@sonny._.gr86]

@@shanesdiy thank you for the link to the thread. For some reason it doesn’t show your email on mobile but when I opened your page on my laptop it worked fine so idk anymore 🤷‍♂️ shot you an email

[@maxun1]

Wow love it.

[@Mikeylikesit1968]

I try this on the Zorro and all I get is a Syntax error using the BW version

[@shanesdiy]

What OpenTX / EdgeTX version are you on? Also, the screen size matters and I'm not sure if these two versions are compatible with the Zorro. I'll ask the developer if he knows or perhaps he'll see this post and respond. I know he's seen this video.

[@Mikeylikesit1968]

@@shanesdiy He knows about it and told me memory is the issue. He said he was going to make smaller version that will work with the Zorro

[@shanesdiy]

@@Mikeylikesit1968 I just chatted with him and was about to let you know but you beat me to it! He's pretty good so hopefully he'll sort it out soon for you.

[@BuddhaSource]

I had Zorro, memory issues. So I got a TX16. But looks like bind & fly needs to unlock which probably needs USB.

[@shanesdiy]

@@BuddhaSource Yes, you'll need a Spektrum SPMA3065 programming cable. I found info online where someone made their own cable but I found a cheap one on E-Bay so just bought it. I am working on episode 2 currently where we will go through the process of updating the firmware on my BNF AR631 to unlock it. Keep an eye out for it, I hope to release it by this weekend or sooner, stay tuned!

[@cloudstrife778]

Hey man, is there anyway you can share that zip file? Or do you know where the latest version is for the 0.56v? Thanks in advance!

[@shanesdiy]

Sure thing. The new link is in the description but here is it again. If you have a previous version of the Forward Programming Lua on the radio be sure to delete the old /SCRIPTS/DSMLIB folder and contents from the SD card and replace it with the new one. github.com/frankiearzu/DSMTools

[@cloudstrife778]

@@shanesdiy and which one would it be SD_FP_56_COLOR_Dec9? And do I set it up the same way as in your video?

[@shanesdiy]

@@cloudstrife778 That is the latest. In Episode 3 I show the new github page and give some instruction. Here's a link to the appropriate time stamp, it's a longer episode. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3bJfXqker-Bb7csi=WW4-1hrpk9UrGbPc&t=2830

[@cloudstrife778]

@@shanesdiy do you know why it's called SD instead of DSM now?

[@shanesdiy]

@@cloudstrife778 That is just the zip file name, not sure what "SD" stands for off the top of my head. Once you unzip it you'll find the lua file name is "DSM FwdPrg_56_Color.lua"

[@mitchfowler646]

Hey i just found this need it desperatly. But cant see what files you copied to tools the link you have have like 20 files plus some are still compressed after you extract. Not too good at this stuff and bricked radio already took me 4 days and alot of videos to get it back

[@shanesdiy]

New links to a github page since this video was made in the description. Yes, there are a couple more zip files to unzip after the main file. Dig down until you find the proper individual files. As of now v0.55 is the latest, did you get that? In a later video I work with the newer download files.

[@mitchfowler646]

I got it I think but for some reason can't get as3x to work beeps say it's on but no work. Got through ep3 did all of it I hope still nothing can make safe work but not as3x by itself new reciever in viper 70 old one died

[@shanesdiy]

@@mitchfowler646 AS3X doesn't activate until you throttle up over 25%, I assume you were aware of that but have to mention it. If you have the latest forward programming do you have access to the F-Modes inside forward programming? If yes, as you switch between them, you should see the settings for each mode so you'll know if AS3X is enabled in modes 2 and/or 3. AS3X and safe are not active at the same time because safe handles all stabilization. If it is a new receiver that was not from a BNF model, you'll need to setup all flight modes with your preferences. Did you setup all 3 flight modes?

[@mitchfowler646]

Switch sd is set away off middle as3x to me safe reset and did again everything seems to work I think I forgot to activate as3x again after set up safe but not sure we will see. Still think I am missing something in downloads I did .055

[@Presidentialrun2028]

yeah. Im WAY the fuck in over my head. I cant even get it to work in a simulator when i connect it to the PC windows 11. I figured for the cost of these they might be a little more user friendly. Yeah as user friendly as its safe to let Hellen Keller fly a plane.

[@shanesdiy]

Lol, hope you stick it out and learn it. Being open source, the information and support available is public driven much like I do with my channel here. It's quite rewarding once you wrap your head around it and realize you can do just about anything you can dream up with these radios.

[@eliocarballo9113]

Can you make it dhort vedeo an simple. It seem to complicated

[@shanesdiy]

The video is pretty short already and I did my best to make it easy to follow. I'm not sure what could be cut to make it shorter without losing important information. You must follow the steps. I have split it into chapters to make it easier to navigate the steps in the video. Perhaps you could recruit a friend who is good with computers to help? Ask any questions you have if you get stuck and I'll do my best to assist.

[@roderickjamesriddick9869]

You go far to fast when you are showing things how to programme, not all people are whiz kids with programming age also comes into it. Sorry but it did not help me at all

[@shanesdiy]

Sorry you didn't get the help you needed. Hard to find a balance of including sufficient detail as well as not let viewers get bored and impatient and move on. If you have specific questions don't hesitate to ask. I often also do viewer requested videos on specific subjects so let me know if there is something I can help with and I'll do my best! Cheers.

[@roderickjamesriddick9869]

@@shanesdiy Thank you for your reply, I need help with the sticks chan 2 is showing me ele it should be thr, chan 3 should be ele and not thr. hope you can help. thank you.

[@shanesdiy]

@@roderickjamesriddick9869 I'll do my best to help. I'm going to assume you have a Radiomaster TX16S or comparable radio and a Spektrum receiver since you found this video. If not, please confirm because the transmitter and receiver in use can make a big difference. A common channel order is "AETR" or aileron, elevator, throttle, and rudder. I use this channel order for my transmitter and it sounds like your default order is also AETR from your comment above. Spektrum uses "TAER" or throttle, aileron, elevator, and rudder. The multi protocol module firmware you install on the transmitter lets you select whatever you want for your default channel order. When you bind to a Spektrum receiver the radio software will convert your transmitters default channel order to TAER automatically. If you have the AETR firmware you need to use that order when you create the model or it will convert it incorrectly when you bind to the Spektrum. That said, in the mixer of your model setup you can easily move channels around to suit your needs. The only time the radio forces a certain channel order is when you first create the model. After that you can move them around in the mixer, just change the source for whichever channel you want to edit to the input of your choice. What receiver are you using that wants throttle on channel 2 and elevator on channel 3 and where are you seeing the incorrect channel order? In the Inputs or the mixer or are you talking about what is in Forward programming? Sorry for the long post, trying to confirm what your issue may be.

[@roderickjamesriddick9869]

@@shanesdiy Thanks for getting back, it a iTX16S chan 2 on the sticks is saying thr wrong it should be saying ele, chan 3 on the sticks is saying ele when it should say thr, yes I have Spektrum rx fly Mod 2. Hope that helps

[@shanesdiy]

@@roderickjamesriddick9869 On the inputs tab it doesn't matter which control is on which input. For example "Input 1" doesn't have anything to do with Channel 1 in the mixer unless you assign Input 1 as the source for Channel 1. Are you lookin at the inputs or mixer? Can you send me some photos of what are you are looking at? Perhaps I can better help. My email is "shanesdiychannel at gmail.com" if you'd like to move this to email an send me some photos. A photo of your inputs and a photo of the mixer would be helpful.