Ep:184 BEWARE... IS TOO MUCH PROTEIN KILLING YOU? REVIEW THE DATA WITH US - by Robert Cywes

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[@streetmagik3105]

THIS is why I'm a fan. Instead of excuses, or talking points, you admit you don't fully know and are actively trying to find the truth. Who does that? Not enough, that's for sure! Thank you for being honest, as it's a rare sight.

[@pabloblanco2656]

Best part of the video is when he admits MOST doctors DON'T have the skill. There is nothing better than spoken truth.

[@grannysquareswagonwheels2604]

It is such a relief to hear a doctor say, I don't know or we need to look into this. Thank you for your honesty.

[@wernerbauer2652]

Just got my blood work done and having the same problem, fasting glucose, HbAlc, fasting insulin, all well below normal, so happy, but kidney function not optimal, .........we need a a Doc just not parroting the virtues of a keto/carnivore diet like some youtubers, but to question things that seem to be outta whack....we need more people like Dr Cywes!

[@danielwiederkehr5163]

I started keto/carnivore about 8 months ago. I don't fast, except overnite (10 hours) and I eat grazing style all day. never more than about 25 grams of protein at a time, 4-6 times a day. So far, 42 lbs, A1c from 6.7 to 5.3, Hdl:60, TriG:75. and my latest CMP shows all my numbers in the middle of each range. this style works for me, I don't ever get hungry and I don't crave carbs. Thanks for all your work!

[@torstrasburg8289]

Yes, some of us do better with more, yet smaller meals. I, for one, get stomach problems whenever I eat even just a little too much. Ways of eating are so individual.

[@danielwiederkehr5163]

@@Deathicu I start most days with 4 eggs, fried easy in butter, or 2 eggs and 2-3 ounces of meat; bacon, sausage or ground beef. 2: an egg white protein shake with cacoa and stevia, 3: a few ounces of dry or hard salami and swiss cheese, 4; a tin of fish; sardines, anchovies, mackerel sometimes 5: 3 or 4 ounces of meat; chicken, pork or beef and some veggie and 6: some nuts and cheese. I use Redmond's mined sea salt liberally. I mix my sea salt with potassium chloride about 2 to 1. I drink when thirsty which amounts to about 2+ quarts per day.

[@danielwiederkehr5163]

@@Deathicu I have never have carb cravings. I use stevia in my coffee and shakes, never eat deserts of any kind. been "pre diabetic" for 20 years , in "remission" now. Keep it up, do what works for you and you will be successful!

[@jksinorbit]

@@danielwiederkehr5163 watch out for sugar substitutes they seriously mess with your microbiome. Look it up.

[@mikey9030]

I am 64 yrs old and I have lost 100lbs. Its will be 2 yrs since I started. I am down to 160lbs and now I am working on my health on Keto. I am still improving and I feel I can improve over time. It took all this time to get my diet to where it is. This is a life time diet you can't lose weight and then go back to bad habits and expect your health to stay the same. You are what you eat. I can feel my body healing every day.

[@pamsunstrom2554]

I'm a firm believer that it's all about balance....remove the bad, balance the good.

[@TheRealRealOK]

Thanks for discussing this. I tried to do a strict carnivore diet with high protein for about 6 months (rather than the keto style carnivore I did previously) and I gained a good amount of weight. I was eating up to 2lbs in one or two meals and I never felt satiated. I also started having cravings for bad carbs, which I hadn’t eaten in years. I fixed it by dropping the protein by quite a lot, eating 2-3 times a day rather than once, and increasing my fat to a keto level %. There’s so much bad information online, it’s crazy.

[@keylanoslokj1806]

So what is your advice for a beginner that is trying to find his way? Im currently doing keto with 2-3 meals a day. Some times I'm hungry, some times i get liver or gallbladder pain after a meal. But at least i don't have many sugar cravings.

[@cherylh4688]

@@keylanoslokj1806 I don't have any expertise in this area, KL; I just read a lot & watch a LOT of videos on health and longevity. And recently I heard something you may find relevant from Dr. Valter Longo, the noted longevity researcher from USC who developed the "Fasting Mimicking Diet" (FMD) for cancer patients and those who have trouble complying with the rigors of a water fast. He said he doesn't recommend daily fasting windows of longer than 12 hours (the average time it takes to digest all of a day's food intake) bcz he has seen so many with longer fasting windows who developed gall bladder problems, often severe enough to need removal. He, himself, eats on a 12 hrs fast-12-hrs eating window schedule.for this reason. And he considers this 12-12 schedule optimal as long as one also does a 5-day water fast (or a version of his FMD) once or twice a year (if generally healthy, or more frequently if trying to heal from some condition). I took this info w a grain of salt at the time bcz I haven't heard anyone else talking about gall bladder problems from IF; however, when I read that you are experiencing gall bladder pain, I thought maybe you might want to know this. Hope it isn't coming too late.

[@sunshinekis8583]

I just got my answer to my question. Why I am always hungry being 6 months on carnivore:)

[@marklanders630]

I've been95% carnivore for about one year now. In several Facebook groups and they wouldn't even allow this to be discussed. Thank you for providing a platform for honest discussion.

[@dieselbourbon3728]

Facebook is a virtual realm of vapid nonsense. The people who run it hate you, me and any freedom loving individual. You and anyone else with an account would be doing humanity a noble service by deleting your account.

[@MrRudy-vk7xx]

try talking to people in real life... just an idea. the interweb brings out the worst in people.

[@missioncreekfarm7715]

@@MrRudy-vk7xx If you can find someone in real life to even talk to! Many Doctors are CLUELESS regarding diet at all, and if you incorporate intermittent fasting and low carb, they freak. I have yet to find a doc in my area (I live in a rural area) that I would even trust or be able to have a conversation with.

[@MrRudy-vk7xx]

@@missioncreekfarm7715 - I totally understand your situation. Naturopathic doctors have a extensive intake interview process where they become very familiar with your lifestyle, 1.5 - 2 hours typically. The following visits are typically 1 hour but can be more or less if desired. The goal is to identify what part of your lifestyle is causing your condition and what needs to be done to remedy it. I had the beginning stages of leaky gut syndrome but only knew something was wrong because I had a massive candida outbreak. An allopathic doctor will look, maybe test, and prescribe a prescription all in about 15 mins. What a joke, right? A naturopathic doctor will not rely on masking the symptoms to pretend they’ve helped you. They will help you change your lifestyle, heal your condition completely, and make sure you have the knowledge to avoid the condition in the future. Anyway, point is, civilian groups can share their experiences but need to understand that each patient is unique and has a different set of requirements from the next. Group talks can be very dangerous and misleading if it turns into an echo chamber. My hour long conversations with my doctor are very special and valuable for me, but I am very hesitant to share too much because each patient is different. In rural locations, naturopaths and homeopaths have online consultation with great results. Dr Darren Schmidt is a nutritionist and one example i know.

[@stevebobamerican8635]

Screw FaceBook and their lib censorship.

[@tawnyaelliott1268]

Could part of the problem be that the idea range of bloid tests were established with people eating the SAD diet? My daughter-in-law is Alaskan native and her people have been 90% carnivore since the dawn of time.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

That was the kind of thought I was having. We have no idea of what optimally healthy blood tests for long-term carnivores should look like. There is literally zero research in this area.

[@lillygordon9121]

I think he is alluding to the difference being OMAD may not be a good health strategy, and may be the reason why the diet can be potentially harmful. He wants to get at why the lab results are reflecting a damaged metabolism, higher triglycerides and kidney function.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

We think the blood work reflects a damaged metabolism and such because that is what the research has indicated. But. as Tawnya points out, almost all of the research has been done on those eating a SAD diet (or else animals eating SAD-like lab chow). To be honest, we are largely ignorant about what blood work means on any diet other than SAD.

[@dixonhouse]

Yes - He isn’t wondering if carnivore is healthy he’s wondering if you should not eat one giant meal a day

[@MarmaladeINFP]

And others are wondering why he is wondering. Some of the healthiest and longest lived populations on the planet (e.g., Hadza) eat large meals of meat, often as OMAD. There seems to be something getting overlooked. What do hunter-gatherers do right that we are doing wrong?

[@rikwen96]

This is going to be an interesting study for me and I am looking forward to what Dr. Cywes will find in his research. As an older female who spent years following the low fat, high carb diet, I am greatly improved on the ketovore lifestyle I now follow. But I keep seeing discussions on the fact that older people need more protein in their diet. How much protein is my question. Everyone seems to have their own opinion but empirical data is not out there. Right now I eat until I am satisfied and then I don't eat again until I am hungry. I just would like some idea that I am eating enough of the healthy foods to keep up my health for the next 30+ years.

[@lorettadillon-ham1574]

We are beautiful complex creatures us women. I have listened and viewed many discussions on this topic of ageing and protein requirements also and from different sources. My opinion is we should be intuitive (and relaxed, as in, not stressed) with our meat consumption and eat to satiety and be aware of the stage or phase we are in or at with our age, our body composition, our life routine, all the things that contribute to who we are in the world as we live life. There are recommendations for grams of protein per kilo body weight and even these have qualifiers as to gender and activity (energy) needs of the body. A good doctor, a good health coach, a good dietician can all make the team in supporting you discover what you want to know or learn so that you feel you have control and informed choice. I also prioritise my protein but I never force myself to eat a certain amount or meet a specific measurement. Sometimes I eat less and sometimes I eat more. It really depends on how hungry do I feel?

[@torstrasburg8289]

You're right on it. Protein is the core of every meal, and we eat according to our hunger and appetite. We don't necessarily need numbers for macros. Knowing basic sound principles coupled with the awareness of our bodily needs and signals, is all we really need. That said, it's fairly common that many of us, especially women, don't eat enough protein.

[@lorettadillon-ham1574]

@@torstrasburg8289 yes, I grew up believing meat was for men because they needed to be strong. I have since re-educated myself!

[@sueoyl]

@@lorettadillon-ham1574 I guess we still need to have our own individual base line of measurements in order to improve or adjust accordingly to optimal health which will be reflected in bloodwork.

[@cjcj6945]

You're onto something!👍

[@Straightdeal]

I have never been a proponent of "pigging out" on anything when doing OMAD. In any event, I have used a level of stability in my diet that I am happy with; stable weight, feeling healthy, and eating mid-day and at about 7pm. Basically HFLC without being fanatical about it. I avoid using the word keto.

[@midelicm273]

I really think the main issue is that people are eating proteins without saturated fats. The standard nowadays is some lean meat with some olive oil(monounsaturated fat) on their salad. I read some years ago about some researches made by an anthropologist(I have to look for his name) and when fed the subjects with lean meat they have these problems(uric acid buildup, gout ,some sort of skin problems(rashes)).It was linked with rabbit starvation and some kind of protein poisoning. Eating lean meat(it is so easy to go for lean meat without noticing) for long time without the protection of saturated fats is leading on long term to this kind of issues. Using only monounsaturated fats as primary source of fat is not enough. Cells membranes are made from saturated fat ,monounsaturated fat and a small percentage of PUFA. Maintaining the correct balance of fats in the body is very important. Animal fat composition (humans have similar) is 38-43% saturated fat,47-50%MUFA and 6-10% PUFA. Replacing saturated fats produced by a carbohydrate metabolism with saturated fats produced via protein metabolism (only)is coming with costs. Proteins should never ,ever be eaten without associated saturated fats. We knew that for more than 30 years ago and still refuse to do just that. That is my observation of many years. The culture against saturated fat is too strong and people try to live their lives in both worlds.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

Great comment! That is the kind of thinking we need. In my own comment, I pointed out that many hunter-gatherers eat large meals of meat in one sitting, often OMAD based on an eating pattern of feast and fast. Yet these are some of the healthiest populations on the planet. So, we're obviously missing something, if long-term carnivores in industrial societies are having problems with OMAD and 2MAD. You might be right. It's saturated fat that could be missing. Many people advocate higher protein diets with lower fat, but that might be the exact problem. Even adding in other fats like MUFAs and PUFAs, if you're correct, wouldn't help.

[@ninawildr4207]

Definitely agreed!

[@midelicm273]

@@MarmaladeINFP We knew for many years that saturated fats are more chemically stable than other fats. The hierarchy of chemical stability is SFA >MUFA >PUFA.SFA give cells membranes resistance(to outside "intruders"), stability and stiffness to and MUFA gives cells flexibility. SFA don't react with other molecules, don't oxidize easily .Neither acids nor bases, alcohols, amines, alkali metals or transition metals can break such a chain. By contrast, an unsaturated bond is much more chemically active, and is much more readily oxidized in the body. We also knew for many years that PUFA oxidize easily(causing so called free radicals when combined with oxygen) and when build up in the skin can cause inflammation (free radicals) and cancer. Also another problem is we should cook our meat in stable fat with high content of SFA (like palm oil or lard or ghee) like our ancestors did and not oleic acid ( MUFA )because of the same reason. MUFA is better than PUFA chemically but still oxidized when used for cooking. Cooking meat on MUFA(olive oil) is not very healthy either. We should depart once and for all from the mechanistic model of SFA bad only because is a mostly a solid fat("plugged" on human "piping"). Human body is a biochemical factory.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

@@midelicm273 - All good points and all true. There have been some recent studies that correlate higher saturated fat intake with better health. We shouldn't find that surprising. Over the past century, saturated fat in the American diet has gone down, precisely as the metabolic diseases and other diseases of civilization have increased.

[@francisvlatko2834]

All great points guys. I would also like to add that our ancestors ate the whole beast or 'nose to tail' as is the term now used. We did not waste anything. All the animal was used, even if not for food. Today's society is misguided I'm my opinion by ethics (vegan), privilege (taste), status (wealth) or greed (food/pharmaceutical industries). Not to mention environmental factors. It all begins in your gut. From birth and the start of our microbiome. This, I believe is the driving force of our behavioral evolution. We have been guided by it for millennia and still are only at the start of understanding it's function in our biology. It is the source of our existence in health and disease.

[@lisajames8010]

You would be a wonderful professor Dr Cwyes. You have a gift for taking complex medical information and abstract concepts, and explaining them in a way that is easy to comprehend and as well as entertaining. Thank you.

[@marcjames3487]

Yes. A lecture a day from Dr Cywes keeps the doctor away :) Oh, he is a Doctor of course but you know what I mean !

[@shellyrubio3207]

​@@marcjames3487😂 GOOD ONE!

[@eminor42]

Thank you Dr. Cywes for watching over this for us! So lucky to have you as our doctor

[@henedenevanderwatt7296]

Amen

[@CoachStephen]

Great video. I'm an online coach and a qualified phlebotomist. I have one client 21 years a carnivore and many over 2 years. One thing I'll say when looking at bloods is that the hBa1c changes in a good way but eventually creeps up but I believe this is because the RBC survive longer and throw out the calculation. I believe this must be true because those patients also have a CGM and their daily BG readings are great, therefore the hBa1c starts to not reflect their actual observed daily BG levels. Also the eGFR is not a great calculation for this way of eating due to the higher than normal creatinine. I believe a cystatin C test is more reflective of your kidney status

[@MarmaladeINFP]

That is the kind of discussion I'd like to hear. I want to see more digging down into all of the data.

[@KJB0001]

Stephen, so you think fiber from veg may help in the long run?

[@Wyobrd]

Wow, that's a relief to hear. I've been strict keto-carnivore for 1 1/2 years and my hBa1c just came back elevated and I was pretty shocked. But my daily bg and ketones are pretty good. Thanks for the comment.

[@louferguson7048]

I love that you are open to facts. You are so refreshing

[@ameliac7814]

Wow you described me to a T!!! I went from sedentary, prediabetic and 270lbs to very athletic, normal A1c and 160lbs (very lean for me) thanks to high protein/low-carb. BUT - I have had concerningly high BUN and other kidney values seemingly out of nowhere since losing weight two years ago. I've been so worried about this, even though my doctor doesn't really seem to be (prob cause I'm in my 20s). I appreciate your honesty and vulnerability to admit you don't know the answer to this issue yet. Thanks for the great video!

[@thekingsson1757]

kinda the same I think low protein low quick carbs and decent complex carbs is the way to go

[@JeJe11]

Thank you for sharing your concern, and continuing your investigation!

[@Sabastianspreadworth]

I wish we had a carb addiction doc in the UK, much appreciate your advice.

[@Baribrooks]

Thank you for addressing us veterans! I resemble many of your remarks…I’ve increased protein and reduced veg consumption this past year after several years of “Healthy Keto”… have a BMI of 21, do some sort of workout 6-7x/week, and my muscle strength is increasing, but BUNN/Creatinine ratio is now elevated, I feel quite tired lately which is very unusual for me, digestion is suddenly off…I’m interested to hear more about this topic!

[@tonyabrinkhoff659]

Thank you so much for your honesty and continuing study to help us find health!

[@Kitty-Konnection]

Good morning Dr. Cywes! Can’t wait to speak with you!❤️ Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!!

[@NCTarheel55]

This is always been my suspicion of OMAD. It’s a lot for the body to process. Interesting findings.

[@torstrasburg8289]

Shawn Baker said recently that he ate 8 pounds of meat to prepare for a fast. He said he still hated it and hasn't fasted since, haha.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

One needs fat, not protein, to fast. So, it doesn't make sense to eat a lot of protein to prepare for a fast. If one lacks enough body fat for a fast, then one would want to prepare by gorging on a lot of fat for a period beforehand. Of course, most people don't like eating fat by itself, other than maybe pork rinds. But there are many ways to increase fat intake: bulletproof coffee, fat bomb recipes, bacon, adding butter to meat, etc.

[@fracyoulongtime8123]

So glad you are studying this!! I have been carno for almost 2years. I have been hoping someone would study this!

[@bdmvy]

I have been on a low carb diet 95% of the past 40 years. Travel sometimes makes it impossible. No low carb meals on SAA. I am cyclist and used to ride 8000 miles a year on A1A between Delray, Palm Beach, Tequesta, Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. I could always out perform the riders in my group who were carb based and would "bonk" with out constant high carb snacks. I just drank water and burned fat, Was never a sprinter. I lived off the Intracoastal and left for the SW to avoid constant evacuations! I am currently under the care of an endocrinologist for low cortisol and subsequent symptoms here in Tucson and would be happy to give you access to all my labs if that would be useful. I just completed a metopirone test and awaiting results. I am scheduled for another full range of labs on Thursday. I currently ride 20-30 miles daily and burn 1300 to 2000 calories. My BMI is 22. BTW I am a former lecturer at UCT. Totseins, Bob

[@robertcywes2966]

Excellent. Jeff volek and i cd both benefit from ur biological story

[@bdmvy]

@@robertcywes2966 These are todays labs: Anti-thyroglobulin antibody Thyroid peroxidase antibody TSH T4, free T3, free Testosterone, free, total Microalbumin (UR) Lipid panel Hemoglobin A1c Comprehensive metabolic panel CBC and differential (CBC auto differential)

[@libraryfiles4470]

What specifically did you eat to thrive in this fashion?

[@Val-xg4ug]

Thanks, Dr. Cywes for asking questions and doing more research with Carnivore and OMAD.

[@larrypjonesjr2224]

Love the honesty & transparency; I’m in.

[@DrKelliRitter]

This is very helpful. I’m primarily carnivore and my doc is clueless. I’m happy to help and I appreciate your efforts to find answers. Actually, I most appreciate your willingness to ask questions.

[@francoistourigny3006]

You expose a excellent issue, mostly absent of all the nutritional media, thank you for your contribution.

[@loarmesl69]

👌🏼 Thank you Dr. Cywes. God bless you and your family! 🙏🏼 😊

[@travisshowalter633]

Thank you Dr. Cywes for your dedication to discerning research on topics such as this and for sharing your concerns and findings with all of us! I appreciate your honesty and your efforts!

[@johngammon963]

Love this doctor, would make a fantastic actor I reckon

[@doctorj7112]

Priceless conversation. Bravo 👏🏾

[@ileanayost6506]

This was a very important episode for me as yesterday I got my blood results for the second time since I started a keto diet and increased or doubled the proteins and fats. I am 85 years old, weight 97 lbs, no chronic deceases and started the diet looking for gut health (most vegetables give me gas and diarrhea) and relieve from arthritis. The pain from arthritis reduced to the point that I canceled my second hip replacement. Have more energy and feel great. The problem is the KIDNEY FUNCTION which has been normal all my adult life dropped to 57 on the last two blood test. BUN increased to 31 and ratio to creatinine increased to 35.2. Have no symptoms of decease just worried that I might have to discontinue eating this way. I don't get thirsty and forget to drink liquids even with my meals. Will drinking more liquids help? I drink around 48 ounces of liquids a day. Is two much protein a problem for the ELDERLY? Please address this topic on your videos. Thanks for your enlightening program. I have a background in PREMED and your scientific explanations are clear and factual.

[@LaneCodeRedCarnivore]

I don't think you should drink fluids while eating , because of acid getting diluted . Maybe a sip is all if you need to. Most vegetables are alkaline so that would change the ph in your stomach ( not good ) ?

[@usadaily135]

64 oz water min daily is no negotiable to protect kidneys. Get daily potassium RDA: over 4.000 mg. ox bile also recommended by some. Do your research. good luck!

[@tanyasydney2235]

Maybe drink more water away from your meals.

[@kenstory6713]

this topic was very interesting, i too am carnivore i do eat some veggies mainly squash and some fruit, do not eat a massive amount of protein am 76 a cancer survivor in good health, thanks for your honesty

[@PardieDiem]

Thank you so much for producing these videos. Asking questions and thinking about outcomes with these diets.

[@markdixon9824]

Very, very, interesting line of thinking in this video ! Thank you Dr. C. for turning your attention to this under-researched area. At the risk of oversimplifying, it seems to me that we can put folks into two buckets. There are those that are broken metabolically, are insulin-resistant and accelerating towards CVD, and who may have other conditions associated with obesity and/or diabetes, who can be “fixed” with IF and a low/zero carb diet. Then there are those of us that are metabolically stable/healthy, and who want to continue on the low/zero carb path. It seems that the latter group do not need to be concerned as much about IF or OMAD, and maybe 3-4 small meals a day is optimal. In other words, once insulin-sensitive, do we need to time-restrict, as long as the food has the correct nutritional balance ? Sure, eating more than two meals a day will cause our insulin levels will be elevated for more of the 24-hour period when compared to OMAD or TMAD, but is that “unhealthy” ? That appears to be the central question sparked by today’s video. The other way to look at this is to realize that maybe we should all eat like a domestic cat: snacking on meat or fish throughout the day in between naps ! 😆

[@pattybips5519]

My cats are fat

[@plflaherty1]

Thanks for the honest approach Doc!

[@AngelaAStantonPhD]

I couldn't agree more! I talk everyone out of eating OMAD. It also spikes insulin a lot because of the part of the protein that converts to glucose, the part that exceeded the protein synthesis maximum. I found the best way to eat carnivore is twice a day--I work with over 11 thousand migraineurs. Each meal should have enough protein for synthesis, which is 3-5 gr leucine from animal products. This works great! Try it.

[@KevinSmith-4Liberty]

When I eat a large ribeye at dinner I have 125-130 glucose blood sugar the next morning....my current A1C is 5.2 I think I'm eating to much meat one sitting. But looking down at a plate with only a fist size diameter of meat isn't going to fill me up. I don't eat much vegetables since going low carb 2 years ago. My BUN levels have risen and my ketone levels are lower than I want.

[@AngelaAStantonPhD]

@@KevinSmith-4Liberty how many times a day are you eating? What are your macros?

[@KevinSmith-4Liberty]

@@AngelaAStantonPhD I'm doing 18/6. First meal at noon and second meal at 5:30. Blood sugar was 132 this morning. I'm going to cut my protein down and eat more fat....somehow. I have been on carnivore more than just keto. Will try more keto....will eat more vegetables with bacon fat I guess. I checked my ketones this morning also (pee strips) it said "trace"... been no carbs for almost 3 years now but something is happening to me on carnivore.

[@AngelaAStantonPhD]

​@@KevinSmith-4Liberty testing urine strips is not measuring your ketones but the form of ketone body that was not used. Urine strips test acetoacetate, breath measures measure acetone, another form of ketone not used. The actual ketones burned are beta-hydroxybutyrate and that can only be measured in the blood. When on carnivore all the time, your phase 1 insulin response often ends up missing. Phase 1 insulin releases when you think of food, taste sweet, see food, etc. It's a cephalic insulin response. This often causes high fating blood glucose simply because your insulin is so low. Add a few plant carb grams into your meals--eat hypercarnivore of keto and your bg will drop because insulin will be releasing. But stop using urine ketone strips. The more ketones you are actually burning, the less ketones will be in your urine.

[@CryptoLTP5]

@@KevinSmith-4Libertyyou need to be patient - blood tests take a minimum of 6 months to see any kind of difference on carnivore (for the most part).

[@jeniferjohnson374]

Thank you so so much for your valuable information. It makes things so much clearer each time I watch one of your videos

[@pointshealthcoaching8474]

This is very helpful and applicable information! Thank you!

[@scottbrinks9248]

Would love to participate in any information sharing. Great work! You always make us think. No greater gift can you give!

[@hlits6310]

Wonderful that even with as much knowledge as you have , you and Dr Brett Sher question everything

[@megpierce979]

Oh so thought-provoking. Thank you.

[@libelulal6258]

Yes please, continue with your studies/research. All carnivore doctors should do this together for the sake of the carnivore community in this time and era. Thank you.

[@Davetg01]

Good point. When I was doing low carb I noticed people asking "how much protein should I eat" and nobody had a positive answer, maybe because nobody knows.

[@lamikkchambers384]

So glad I’ve found your channel. I’m a new to carnivore.

[@jenniferbrodzinski5442]

Not many doctors know what blood tests to order or how to read them. Plus they see thousands of patients who don't want to make the appropriate dietary and lifestyle changes. The doctors just prescribe pills and patients just want to take pills. It is a beautiful thing when you find a doctor who wants to help the patient who is ready to commit to the proper human diet and healthy lifestyle choices. It's not an easy road but is worth the effort. Thank you Dr. Cywes for helping those of us who want to improve our health. I appreciate all that you do, thank you.

[@rasendrapandey6217]

Hi from India, love to listen to your videos while walking in the evening ❤️

[@alaunew8568]

watching from Buenos Aires wonderfull talk as always thank you so much

[@kimnenninger7226]

Great video. Very important information. I want to maximize my nutrient absorption from my meals. I went for a small protein meal every five hours for three meals. I was in a serious car wreck, at the point when my broken bones were strong enough for me to weight train , I joined a gym. Eating three quality protein meals a day, doing 40 minutes of cardio three times a week, and lifting weights three times a week, I am healing at an amazing rate. I am 61 years old and was very weak from not exercising for three months. During that three months while my bones healed I ate the three meals of mostly beef and eggs. I would love to see what the actual science is on meal timing and protein quality. I know that it made a huge difference for me. The doctors we amaze that, at my age, my bones healed that fast.

[@denisrusso8131]

Thank you! Great info!

[@songsabai3794]

I'm glad you brought it up - I've been haunted by the notion of uric acid - which is generated in the process of the digestion of meat and other concentrated proteins. Apparently can lead to kidney issues and muscle inflammation. My wife gets sore muscles soon after eating red meat - she consumed a lot of beef when growing up. Not sure if that has anything to do with uric acid, but for her, beef = instant inflammation. My BMI is 23, I've been eating high P/ low C for the stable fat energy, my daily meat consumption is 200g / OMAD - I believe in the 80% rule...no muscle inflammation - BUT, are we doing ourselves harm long term? So glad you have 121 vets to study. Thank You for your videos - extremely helpful.

[@filamcouple_teamalleiah8479]

Great info doc! Truly scientific. Thanks for your candid and objective attitude.

[@josephnebeker7976]

I've watched a lot of your videos, as well as many from Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Chaffe, Dr.Boz, and others. Thank you for this video. Although I already knew much of this, it has connected dots for me in my questioning about the role of protein in carnivore, especially in connection with omad and tmad, or other multiple meals per day. I am seventy-five days into carnivore and my body has very naturally gone to two meals a day with a few carnivore snacks in between. Specifically dairy for fat and energy, and eggs and bacon bites (which I cook myself) for protein. According to this video, I may be doing it right, and apparently on The cutting edge. Thank you for questioning and continuing to look for the answers as to a proper human diet.

[@angelaposton6878]

Thanks Doc. Lots of good questions here and we do need the answers. When you say you adjust the protein/fat ratios for people along with them implementing more frequent protein intake, what do the ratio adjustments look like?

[@SabroJoe]

This reminds me of your earlier videos on protein in the context of metabolic health. Wasn’t your main takeaway that high protein is damaging to an insulin-resistant diabetic that needs to burn sugar and is therefore going to convert that protein to sugar via energy pathway? Whereas someone insulin sensitive/in ketosis is not predisposed to converting protein for energy? Love that you’re diving into this. The more I try to learn, the more confused I am about how much protein I should be eating. I just got my fasting insulin tested and it’s 5, so I know I’ve come a long way from being obese back in 2020 as a result of going keto/carnivore. But I also lift weights and am curious about the protein leverage hypothesis. It seems there is so much advice out there and I can’t make sense of it anymore.

[@carolinab.73]

Thank you Dr Cywes for another great video. God bless you and your family. Any chance of a video in the future on afib?

[@IndigoAwakener]

I've been on beef, water, salt (lion Diet ) for 4 months now. If I deviate my joints let me know immediately. I don't think I'm fat adapted yet, since I'm not losing much after initial water weight loss. I'll be following this discussion carefully, as I continue on this path. Some of the dogmatic veterans are looking emaciated, which is to me indicative of issues as well. Very interested in how this unfolds. Thank you Doc! 💕

[@charliesconsulting7503]

Which veterans, can please specify I haven't noticed this.

[@Jdonovan2]

Been carnivore for about 2 years. Noticed ammonia smell in my stool. I Reduced protein intake. Used to do omad, now eating multiple times a day. I haven’t smelled ammonia in a while.

[@elenapopugayevakozakova5387]

Doctor, first of all, thank you for your content,it helps me a lot. I've slowly progressed from keto to carnivore and couldn't feel better. The only problem is that I'm OMAD too. As you've said and I agree, it's not good to eat such amount of protein at one sitting (150-250g protein in my case). But...I do OMAD because of convenience: I'm out of the house all day, working, busy to eat, and I simply don't have time. And I don't want to quit on carnivore, since I feel great and it's also very simple. So what can I do? My labs show urea high. My glucose is fantastically low, my triglycerides low, HDL high, but urea high too...and the majority of the day my ketones are low too. What's your advice if I want to be carnivore+OMAD? P.S. I'm not skinny, but very lean and lift twice a week + long walk twice a week. Thank you!!!!

[@AndreaIhara]

5 years in ketosis. one year as carnivore - back to keto. Now working with a hematologist on some problematic blood results. Happy to share…

[@wandanorman7467]

Love everything you talk about. I have been looking for a Dr who does a deep dive into labs, and that is in florida, close to me (2hr drive)I am now on your books for an appt in nov. Thank you

[@MarmaladeINFP]

Before I take any side on this debate, I'd want to see an actual debate about it. There are many carnivore and animal-based doctors, nutritionists, researchers, etc. And some of them are very well informed about the research, bloodwork, and much else. I'd want to hear multiple takes on these kinds of issues. But it seems a bit early in the game to come to strong conclusions. There are many uncertainties, complications, and confounders. Why would OMAD or other time-restricted, particularly as feasting and fasting, be unhealthy when it's been a standard practice of hunter-gatherers and probably has been within the normal range of eating patterns for hominids going back millions of years? When an animal was killed, people in the past often gorged on it. Hunter-gatherers typically don't save food and eat everything at once, even sometimes to the point of their stomachs being distended, followed by long periods of rest. We need to be understanding this in both a physiological sense and an evolutionary framework. If some carnivores and meat-heavy eaters are having some concerning numbers in their bloodwork, either something is likely interfering with normal health or our understanding of the data is completely wrong. But, of course, we are dealing with people who often spent decades eating SAD before becoming carnivore or whatever. How diet affects them might not be how it would affect a hunter-gatherer who has always eaten that way.

[@xiakala7836]

While what you state about our ancestors are probably true and proven to some degree, the thing is modern human doesn't live as a hunter gatherer. Such amount of food at once is a stressor to the body and modern humans have much more stress factors that our ancestors didn't have. All these are very interesting for researchers but noone has proven yet that feasting and fasting or similar fasting tools application in everyday western life is optimal.

[@dialecticalmonist3405]

OMAD is NOT "fasting". This is the problem. "Fasting" is when you don't eat for an entire day or more. OMAD is not enough. You have to have periods of not eating, and 24 hours is not enough to clean your body out.

[@BellaRosa55]

Many people follow Dr. Mindy and she encourages fasting yet the biggest complaint is their binging eating OMAD and thyroid disrupption! I think it is based on individuality! Back then people just died and no one knew why! Just because I follow a person on Instagram who eats 85% fat and I tried it but my result was diffetent from hers. She has a very high metabolism where I do not. Studies are key!

[@jillherrmann1918]

@@BellaRosa55 you brought up something many people don't talk or think about. Rate of metabolism. This will affect how you do on a certain diet or way of eating. A slow metabolizer will do better with more carbs than a fast metabolizer who does better with more fat. This is why I don't prescribe to the carnivore is for everyone way of thinking. So much we don't know about. Also, how does it affect our thyroid function? What is our body temp, pulse rate? Most peoole don't consider these.

[@BellaRosa55]

Everyone tells me if you jyst lose weight! Dah! I have been on a diet my entire life not to mention I was involved in a head on collision and have 5° of flexion in my crushed ankle and tibia with plates and screws! Also having a total abdominal hysterectomy.Nobody looks at the person as a whole, just make you feel fat is NOT going to be a motivator! Closed minded men physicians!

[@jenna6256]

I've heard small meals thru out the day, eating your meals in a 5 hour window, OMAD..........makes my head spin. I usually eat something light in the AM and then eat lunch around 1:00 and dinner about 5/6:00. I've been sticking to white meat and salads recently. Takes a while to do a trial and error. I appreciate a doctor who is honest and says I don't know.

[@robertcywes2966]

Cycle high fat w high protein. Never carbs

[@Katyklb]

My gut feeling is that spreading consumption over the day is easier for the body to handle. Excess and extremes I've noticed don't work for me. Big fan of carnivore and IF but not all of the time either. Great info as always.

[@Nothingbutskill1]

i love your honesty

[@tremblingone4269]

I've been wondering about OMAD eating. I well remember back in my high carb eating days how I seemed to be nutritionally deficient but eating all the time. And eating ketogenic now, experiencing autophagy, am all about feeling good AND losing weight. Certain foods make me feel good when I'm really hungry - pinto beans, black olives, romaine lettuce, etc. Doc, I find your topic today extremely interesting. Often wonder about how people eat around the world, now and in the past.

[@bradreid3285]

I found the Alkaline diet several years ago. To many immediate health benefits I saw to list here (Chronic acid reflux gone day one!) . All day eater... eventual elevating glucose and headaches, so I started OMAD Keto Jan 1 2021. (Wife a patient of Dr. C with dramatic results!) I love OMAD, 6 days under 30 grams to reach ketosis, since then steady energy all day, no looking back (even did a 3 day fast for first time in life of 57 years.. easy!). According to Alkaline folks the high protein should be exacerbating my Rheumatoid. Both have kept it well under control. Keep researching, asking questions and trying new ideas. BTW..Alkaline & Keto = zero gluten/flour, zero processed food, no processed sugars... Something there!

[@beardumaw24]

Good info, think I'll start spreading my protine more over my eating window, smaller amounts at a time.

[@plimsoul27]

Thank you Dr. Cywes....always love your content! I've heard that too much animal protien was not optimal for long-term health and longevity etc...and I do a low carb diet with a mixture of animal and plant proteins...not a great amount of either at any one meal. I've always felt that a more balanced meal was probably best without an extreme of any one kind of food....except for maybe vegetables....because I haven't heard of negative effects associated with larger portions of veg....I'm kind of low-carb paleo I guess.

[@karenbole7130]

Thanks ill keep this mind when i get to my optimal weight and health in the future. Ive been carny only 9 mos after 55 years of crap so i got a way to go.

[@GabrielJazzMusic]

I’ve been low carb/ animal based for well over 3 years now and I’m 21. I started doing longer fasting (+18hr) and more meat heavy about a year ago. However, since then I’ve had move digestive issues than not when breaking a fast and more chronic aches and pains (hips and upper back). This video definitely makes me reconsider what my body is telling me and that may need to pace out my protein consumption throughout the day. The mantra that ken berry touts “eat until you are comfortably stuffed” just seems to give me more problems than not. Thanks Carbaddictiondoc!

[@lorettadillon-ham1574]

I have a question or two for you, please. You’re very young (21yo) to have shifted your diet (from reading your comments). We’re you dealing with a health issue? What types of proteins are you eating? How are they cooked and with what? Also if you’re comfortable sharing; What is your ancestral bloodline? I am very interested. I have a household of mixed aged young adults and it’s interesting to say the least at their responses to diet. We will soon have a profile done through one of the mainstream labs like 23andMe just to look at other forms of information as pieces in the puzzle. We are a family of VERY mixed European decent. Some of us white, some olive, some fair haired, some dark haired, some with allergy others with none at all.

[@torstrasburg8289]

It may be as simple as that, GM - Berry's adage. Don't do the stuffing, not even comfortably. Eat more, but smaller meals. Some don't do well with any amount of over-eating, even a couple bites. Why fast? Isn't a 6-hour eating window sufficient? Maybe even increase that window to 8 or 10. Loretta poses some good questions, as well. You'll get to the bottom of it!

[@MarmaladeINFP]

The thing about fasting (i.e., periods of not eating) is to not do it all the time. Some days eat more, some days eat less, and some days don't eat at all. Sometimes go for long periods without eating, even days, and other times eat more regularly. But mix it up and listen to your body. Only fast when you're feeling health, energetic, and relaxed.

[@bruceprigge5212]

Thanks!

[@suewilkinsonmorrobayca6590]

Thank you

[@rvnmedic1968]

I'm 75 this month and have been using pure protein powder for a number of years now. Until my two total hip replacements in the last year and an upcoming triple bypass, I had shifted from carbs to protein and some carbs. My exercise was using a Total Gym with 300lbs resistance for rowing, elevation set at the highest. Dumbells for arms and upper body. And a recumbent bike for cardio. Also do a lot of things on our 5 acre property, burning calories like crazy. NOW after watching your video, I once again became aware of the excess protein intake, e.g., one scoop of the protein powder is 32 gms of protein along wit a load of amino acids. I can't do anything right now before my surgery on 12 October 2022. I've cut back on the protein shakes with that scoop and oat or almond milk. Very curious to see an algorithm or some calculation for excess protein limits. A physician friend of mine sent your video on statins and that's how I discovered you. BTW, I love how you quickly slipped in the "roids" with Arnold's protein body building! LOL Cheers from Upstate NY. Bob

[@rfbead321]

Thanks Doc! I just looked at my carnivorish bloodwork and it looks good. I do 2MAD, spread over a 6 hour period, and exercise during the 18 hour period.

[@suelloyd4384]

That's me too.

[@elsieteixeira2499]

Thank you for all your sharing of informatio. You are helping many people like mysekf who are retired and do not havve the resources to pay for advice or even do complex blood analyses. Our local family doctor via the national health care system will only allow the basics for routine tests. Goung private is not an option for me.

[@TheMightyAntMindset]

What's classed as 'long term' carnivore? I'm about 18+ months in. I don't do OMAD, so I'm grateful to hear it's better to spread our protein intake over the day.

[@kathryngavin3497]

I’d like to be a part of the solution. I’ve been following a ketovore lifestyle since last November, losing 70 lbs using the change in eating coupled with intermittent fasting, and am now OMAD. Your video now raises questions whether I should continue as I am to lose the last 35 pounds. I’m 64 with Graves’ disease.

[@annetaylor7496]

Hi Kathryn, I'd like to ask you what you've noticed when eating ketovore and how your thyroid reacts, as in do you feel better having Graves disease and are you trying to heal your thyroid and get rid of Graves?.....I'm hyperthyroid with nodules and I find I feel a lot better when I'm low carb/keto....what else do you do and take to deal with Graves? Thankyou and hi from Tasmania 💐

[@markjthomson]

Very interesting. It highlights the need for frequent review of what works best for your current circumstances... EG what worked well when you needed to lose weight might not be the best for longer term.

[@hiwthiaz]

I began Keto March 2020, I became a Ketovoire March 2021 and February of 2022 a Carnovire. I vary my meal times since Keto, and many times, have OMAD and 2MAD or 3MAD. Since Carnivore is so many pounds of meat per day, I typically consume smaller meals throughout the day. I have Scleroderma with fibrosis of the digestive tract, and I consume typically just beef, bacon and fat because it easily digests without supplemental enzymes. Occasionally, but not often I might have a salad with some chicken, but digestion requires supplemental enzymes to process the non beef food. I snack on bacon throughout the day on days that I am super busy and don’t have time for a meal. I have maintained and average of 166 pounds for over a year, after losing 90 pounds in 7 months from 2020 to 2021.

[@ibperson7765]

Matters which protein, and what’s eaten with it. I don’t recall where but I saw something about a large fatty steak being digested over *many* hours. Fine protein powder different.

[@kr639]

Right wrong or indifferent this is my routine. (Sardines morning or evening) Morning eggs/bacon or sausage and a little coconut oil. Evening Steak, and maybe cauliflower

[@jksinorbit]

I would love to see you have a chat online with Dr Saladino or Dr Paul Mason about this i think they may be intrigued… however i think you are spot on about OMAD and just over eating protein.

[@jksinorbit]

As an aside i owned a bbq restaurant and had clients who were in terrific shape but used to blow my mind with their meat intake in a single sitting, the one guy in particular… and guess what he has spent the last year or so in and outof hospital struggling with a chronic condition. Eat wisely.

[@200Nora]

At 66, I received a diagnosis of pre-diabetes. I started on a keto diet with IF TMAD. with the weekend OMAD, increased my exercise. I have always avoided fatty foods, but I increased my fat intake some for the keto diet. I think my protein consumption is moderate, and I also eat vegetables with the lowest carbs possible content and berries. I am lactose intolerant so dairy is not my thin, except for some cheese and moderate yogurt. My labs so far have been good overall except for my cholesterol, but I am not worried about it since my LDL has always been high, but my triglycerides/HDL has been very good. So, I have always refused the statins and my recent CAC was 0. Overall I am feeling fine. My problem of concern is that I have lost more weight than I am comfortable with. Actually, I have never been overweight and my BMI has been normal all my life. Diabetes runs on my mom's side and two of my siblings have been diagnosed with diabetes. So the only reason I went into this lifestyle was to beat prediabetes, and that is done. My concern and question are how I can gain back some weight at least 5lbs while keeping my HBA1C in check. My sugar consumption has always been low, but I was unaware that some of the carbs that I considered healthy or not a big deal, could also mess me up, along with stress and poor sleep, and my genes. I do not look good too skinny, and my family is worried. Anybody has any advice. Thanks

[@clark3830]

I am a physician who does "dirty keto" using some carbs daily and only fasting from dinner until lunch time. I do not see my blood work changing. I also note that my body weight is not reducing much.

[@juanramos.jr.7948]

I always said you can not just eat meat and not have consequences. Thank you for your honesty.

[@Dirk_van_Tonder]

Of course you can, just have to keep track of exactly how much protein you're having. Guidelines are 0.8 grams protein per kg of body weight for the average person and 1.6 - 2 grams/kg for very active/weight lifting individuals. it's not the diet's fault, people aren't keeping track of numbers

[@jamesrankin9833]

Good stuff

[@susanshaver912]

It is so wonderful to find a Dr that if there is something not totally known is willing to admit it instead of just spouting off what they have learned in medical school. I normally like to work with a Dr in person, but do not have a Dr I totally trust. My current one refuses to even do a Thyroid panel beyond TSH. I may contact you. 77 and carnivore now for 12 weeks.

[@rayparnell7432]

I was virtually Carnivore one meal a day for about 18 months. Before this I'd been gravitating towards this for about a year or so. I was carrying about 30 to 40 %body fat. I'm 59 years old and was leading a sedan try lifestyle due to various health problems. As I see it a lion a tiger spends a lot of the day lying around not expending much energy. Herbivores graze most of the day. We now expect our bodies to work move around for long periods during the day. I lost about 4 stone UK of fat. I reached my ideal weight, so my doctor told me. The thing is I didn't feel comfortable at that weight. I had no energy I couldn't do tasks that I had been able to a few months ago. I've started eating basically when I feel I need to. I don't get hungry anymore as doing omad seems to have cured me of that. I now lead a very physical lifestyle working outdoors all day. I eat plenty of protein steak pork, I seem to do very well on pork. My fat loss is continuous and I've now started introducing carbs and fats, I have porridge cooked in water and then I poor in some cream. I my simple way I see it as this you fuel your body for what it needs. If you sit around most of the day then you don't need so many carbs and fats. If your up and outside you need more fuel more carbs and more fats. At the end of the day I think it still comes down to volume and as the doctor says there's no off switch for the highly processed carbs, who has just one mince pie. Thanks for the videos👍

[@stillwatersfarm8499]

Watching to see what you all figure out. I tried carnivore the first half of the year and got some weight off and felt good, and then something happened and my adrenals crashed. I had to start eating carbs again. It was pretty demoralizing, but I have a lot of responsibilities, and I cannot be laid up not able to get out of bed. Thankfully I have not regained what I lost. I’m trying to stick with better carb sources, but it is hard cause carbs are addictive. Much harder to beat down that desire to have dessert with every meal. 😒

[@paulwiffin2452]

Would be good to see you discuss this with Bart Kay from NZ

[@MarmaladeINFP]

That is what I want. Just hearing someone give their opinion feels of limited value. We need more lively debate and friendly discussion. I know I learn best from listening to a dialogue than to a monologue.

[@themaelstromnotebook5418]

I've primarily been doing the one-meal-a-day 'lion diet' (steak, lamb, raw suet, tallow, cooked fats, water, very rarely a bit of liver, mint leaves, or lemon juice) as a treatment for type one diabetes over the last eight months, and my lantus daily insulin has increased anywhere between 4-9 points, and I suspect it is due to something of the problem you're talking about (a raising of daily insulin suggests that ketosis is not happening through every day, I would guess but I don't know for sure...? At the start of the diet, for instance, I could REDUCE the daily insulin 6-8 points but it has shifted to needing more now). I will start doing what you mention here... spreading out two smaller meals half-portioned across the day. (I would have texted but I'm not in the U.S, and I have no up-to-date-bloodwork as I'm not in my country of origin and am financially not able to take advice where I am, although I can telephone my diabetic nurse in the U.K very occasionally...)

[@rafikcheraitia3957]

Dr. Shawn Baker has to have his word here. Very important.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

I want to see some debates.

[@amfmharle]

I'm a 3yr carnivore vet. I have blood work before and after, and have it measured about every 6 months. Bmi @ 20, low visceral fat, roughly 5% body fat. Infrequent resistance exerciser, more frequent ultra runner. Have done endurance sports on both high carb and low/no carb. The latter provides a better life overall for sure! If you'd like my labs to add to your data set, I'm happy to share them with you. (I do tend to have higher BUN levels, and very, very low triglycerides)

[@amommyof2637]

Can you speak about Thiamine? And how affects illness? I don't know how it would relate to obesity, if at all, but seems to be a useful nutrient overall. Any others have input to subject?

[@joeyannarilli7950]

Your videos are very useful. Thank you for the honest data. There is too much disinformation out there. My diet is mostly meat with some vegetables. When I am looking flat I eat a small about of carbs. Usually once a week. My BMI is 22. I am 12 percent body fat. I eat 3 times a day. I find I need too. When I was heavier no but now I am lean my body needs the energy. We should listen to our bodies. It's no good to over eat or under eat.

[@marksmith2625]

I have been ketovore for about 2 1/2 years as a lean mass hyperresponder, but am willing to send my blood work for Dr. Cywes research group after I take my second comprehensive panel (from Own Your Labs) in October.

[@heavychevy4616]

interesting... im a carnivore thats been doing omad, & i have a tendency to pig-out at the end of my day & it seems i may be susceptible to this "to much protein" concept ...it disrupts my system like eating fruit does... so yes, please go deeper on this subject sir, & thank u

[@showersdpn]

I figure maybe eat less often than once a day. Fast for a day or two. That's what I did when I lost 130 pounds and started putting it back on. Not forever, but once a week or two. Adaptation is what your body is doing. Like always... Lol!

[@MarmaladeINFP]

Maintaining metabolic flexibility might be the most important part. That is to say don't always do the same thing every day. Change it up. It's similar to exercise. If you only ever do a half squat but never a full squat, the body loses the flexibility to do a full squat. As we should exercise in a full range of motion, we maybe should have an eating period with a full range of metabolic flexibility.

[@c_b5060]

I think this explains why I've lost weight and then gained back some weight. I'm eating "too much" protein during a single meal and too much per day.