Ep 196: Could an Australian Anti Discrimination Bill End LDS Worthiness Requirements?

On this episode of Mormonish Podcast, Rebecca and Landon are joined by Australian barrister Neville Rochow as we explore a new anti discrimination bill in Queensland Australia that the LDS church believes could negatively impact their ability to control who can and can’t enter the Brisbane LDS temple.
But is this really the case? The LDS church is rallying members to send emails and reach out to elected officials expressing concern. The bill could also impact the LDS church’s power to insist that church employees have temple recommends.
Neville helps us cut through the misinformation surrounding the proposed bill as we discuss the possible ramifications and realities.
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[@Jeanikins]

That was so interesting. Thank you Neville and Rebecca and Landon. I had not heard anything about this before now.

[@flyawayfarmstead]

Neville is an incredible guest! So knowledgeable and well spoken! His MSP episode was fascinating. Thanks for such a great episode!

[@claytongardinier5179]

Bottom line, this is a power struggle - religion vs the secular state.

[@greg-op2jh]

As always wonderful and informative. Thank you to the guest! Sending love to everyone in this amazing community!

[@DeanneSanchez]

Hi everyone , I looked for you on Monday night didn’t see anything ? Are you not doing every Monday ? Glad I found this tonight . You always do such an amazing job . 😊

[@rebeccabibliotheca]

I was on vacation so we took a hiatus. We’ll be back next Monday!

[@IvoneteMascara-nx6wz]

Great show guys!!!!! As always!!!!! Thank you!!!!

[@mylifewithmarmalade4624]

I wonder how much of this is also mixed up in the recent trouble the church has had with the Australian government over some creative accounting they got caught doing in an effort to continue hoarding money while complying with much more stringent fiscal transparency laws for religious organizations in Australia vs the USA. I wonder if they had perhaps entertained giving up non profit status and functioning as a for profit enterprise in Australia to try to avoid trouble over their profits figuring the taxes would be less than the potential loss of profits? If that had been something they had contemplated then they would have a harder time arguing that they are exempt from anti discrimination rules.

[@townsendv58]

A very informative discussion. Religious organisations talk about community. However, their actions do not live up to this. How can we build communities if we do not work with each other?

[@kelliebporter]

Thanks for this episode. It was very interesting. 😊

[@DamonSmith-x8d]

Claims of constant persecution are often used to strengthen an organization or belief system. Rally the troops put adherents on the defensive. Us against the whole world. Many times such a group is actually being given more rights and consideration than everyone else.

[@BarbTipping]

Ex mo, but not sure it is correct for a government to step in to regulate a church's policies

[@andreadiamond7115]

Commenting to help.

[@diamonddavemctv]

Huh, interesting. Wonder how that will play out, especially with the members.

[@alananderson5202]

Tithing paying members who love to keep covenants have no problem with the requirements for a temple recommend.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

"You can't use the bathroom; someone has to escort you." Escorting isn't prevention.

[@carriereid4234]

But it is discriminatory practice.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

@@carriereid4234, that it may be, but I'm not talking about that aspect.

[@rosemariebennett7213]

I did not know about this. Thank you.

[@TassieAdams]

I’m thinking that members wouldn’t be prohibited to go to the temple even if not paying tithing. No discrimination.

[@tracienielson7183]

Temple recommends are issued based on worthiness. If the Church can't keep the unworthy out of the Temple, then they should close it down.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Wrong, there are plenty of people who would vote for a former CJCLDS member in Utah.

[@dorimosher9800]

Why is the church acting like chicken little? Seems suspicious

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

With the bill just being that: a bill still, then it's not yet GOING to replace that act. So that's inaccurate wording.

[@schrecksekunde2118]

very interesting

[@rrrrrrrr290]

If the church was worried abot ozzie Laws and Temple why did they just anouce a 2nd Brisbane Temple

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

"Maybe that's human nature..." * MORTAL human nature

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

"What we _call..."?_ "What are _called..."?_ Why not just use the OFFICIAL terms _directly?_

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

"Holders of _what we _*_call_* the priesthood"? * Holders of _the priesthood._ (That's the *official* term; no need to say "what we call....")

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Ha, funny that just because the one guy left the church because he found certain things to despise about it means now he should suddenly be an atheist.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

No, I think President Oaks will maintain the importance of the emphasis of Jesus Christ's name in connection with the church.

[@RussellStewart-nn5sc]

This guy is so boring....

[@thepreacher5934]

JUNK

[@whitesalamander]

Are you referring to Joseph Smith’s “junk?”😂

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Actually, you CAN freely speak out on church issues while you're a member.

[@janinemaxwell4297]

Not if it’s opposite what the church says

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

@@janinemaxwell4297: Not necessarily true, actually.

[@janinemaxwell4297]

@@HelloKittyFanManthen explain why so many members are being excommunicated because they spoke out against the church

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

@@janinemaxwell4297: Explain why so many members don't always get excommunicated just because they've spoken out against the church.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

@@janinemaxwell4297: Then explain why so many members also _aren't_ being excommunicated because they spoke out against some church issue.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

"Two thousand and sixteen..." (re: the year and those like it). There's an easier way to say years from this century: Just like in previous centuries: 1776 = "SEVENTEEN-seventy-six," 1830 = "EIGHTEEN-thirty," etc. Try it today!

[@GeorgeDemetz]

Satsn will attack the church anyway he can! The apostle Paul warned about wickedness in high places and that is exactky what we are seeing here!!!

[@townsendv58]

What are you talking about?

[@GeorgeDemetz]

@@townsendv58 The attempt to ruin what the LDS temples stand for! ANY government should keep their noses out of religions! Even with the Boy Scouts, there were requirements before one could become an eagle scout!!!