EPIC THE MUSICAL keeps delivering with THE UNDERWORLD SAGA but this time it delivers me sadness

[@MathewMcKenna]

some spooky ghosts here

[@ChaosQueen623]

Spooky spooky skeletonsssss

[@thecrazysisters_channel]

Send shivers down ur spine

[@neonplural]

The fact that you were disturbed by 58 men calling out to Odysseus, not realising it was actually 558 is pretty funny.

[@ShyyGaladriel]

Boo!

[@icemagiciangh]

Do you plan on watching the Thunder and Wisdom sagas again, or will you be jumping straight into Vengeance after this?

[@wildcardjoey4776]

Note that, in the musical, the spirits aren't supposed to be aware they're dead or what's happening around them and are simply repeating what their final thoughts as they died were.

[@troytab6089]

Odysseus' dead crew says "558 men who who died under your command." They know they died.

[@Soleial]

thats just a creative choice by jorge, the characters aren't supposed to have sentience or consciousness at this point.

[@troytab6089]

@Soleial EPIC the musical goes by a different lore to the original myths. For EPIC, we have to go by what we hear in the lyrics as canon. We hear the crew acknowledge that they are dead.

[@PineMountainMusician]

@@troytab6089Jorge, creator of the musical, and called it canon that they are not fully aware, always repeating there last thoughts

[@ajaxssugarbaby]

​@@troytab6089perhaps it's because like ,, they knew they were dying when they died, but with characters like polites, the death happened so fast that it didn't register in his mind

[@chrisfoley1961]

i just realized why Penelope rips off Polites' headband from Odys' head. Odysseus has fully given up on Polites' "open arms" mentality, so Penelope takes the headband away from him to symbolize that. Gigi is soooo fricking talented

[@ezraabbadon5082]

9:20 it's truly heartbreaking to me that Odysseus didn't know his mother was dead until that moment. Even worse: during keep your friends close, before the bag was opened, they had gotten close enough to Ithaca that his mother saw the ships. But then the bag was opened and the ships disappeared in a freak storm. Believing her son dead, she died of grief and heartbreak. If the goddamn bag hadn't been opened, he would have gotten to see her again alive. Also, odys mom is being voiced by jorges mom

[@PupGamer93]

Waiting makes me sob every single time cuz it just reminds me that eventually I will have to live in a world where my own mother is gone 😢

[@ForTheFrontier]

When I get you Eurylochus. When I fucking get you

[@Silverfox89777]

​​@@ForTheFrontierspoiler for him Edit Oh I guess not, but he didn't open it.In the original odyssey it was indeterminate There must be another version where he does open it.That I didn't know about

[@ForTheFrontier]

@@Silverfox89777 I know that, but in EPIC, he was the one who opened it. He admits it in Scylla

[@Durrps12100]

Wait a minute that might be why Odysseus just tries to fuckin sacrifice Eurylochus after he tells him about the wind bag- THE GUY IS JUST STRAIGHT UP THE REASON HIS MOM IS DEAD TF

[@alexneckoyami]

Little mishearing, not 58, 558 haha. Also fun fact we've been told the spirits in the first song are all saying their last thoughts when they died!

[@lunarialoonatic]

Polities 💔

[@adriel8498]

That's not fun 😭😭😭

[@irik_art]

It's not a fun fact, it's a tragic fact.😢

[@mistman_161]

Epic fans will say "fun fact" and then utter the most soul crushing thing you've heard all week.

[@arcticlimbo]

​​@@mistman_161 very true. And they still have a huge list of "fun facts" and things they could say🤣🤣 you don't get many chances to breath around here

[@bmobits5832]

Fun fact, the ghost of Odyssius mom is voiced by his mother. His dad voices a character in a later saga too 😊 Now back to Waaaaaiting for another Epic reaction!

[@anabsolnamednyx899]

And his sister has a small part in Vengeance too!

[@lunarialoonatic]

Did his dad voice… someone in God Games? (I don’t want to spoil but I heard this rumor and I’m curious if it’s a joke or not)

[@gamerhalim2486]

(He already reacted to wisdom saga)

[@garabatosxd]

​@@lunarialoonatic ‼️spoiler of the wisdom saga‼️ . . . His father voices hefestus

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

​@@anabsolnamednyx899what does his sister sing?

[@mothersteele3218]

Fun fact, the chorus of “No Longer You” is in reference to the Thunder Saga “I see a song of past romance” - the siren’s, specifically “Suffering” with the siren disguised as Penelope “I see the sacrifice of man” - Sacrificing 6 men to get past Scylla “I see portrayals of betray and a brothers final stand” - Mutiny

[@jennifervoet5265]

Not to mention "I see you on the brink of death" - the end of Thunderbringer and "I see you draw your final breath" - reference to what would happen in Get in the Water 😉

[@Outrider85]

Just spoil everything why don't you. Fuck learning things for himself and getting to experience the musical as intended, nah just tell him everything right now.

[@LightMoon7890]

​@@jennifervoet5265Brink of death could also refer to the wisdom saga of him yelling out for athena

[@mothersteele3218]

@@Outrider85 he’s watch the entire thunder saga before for another reaction video, I highly doubt he’d do so again

[@Omphalite]

Also the background vocals that start near the end of the song sing "Siren song! Scylla throat! Mutiny! Lightning bolt! Fight Poseidon! Kill all the suitors for love!"

[@Janice.Helluvabosfan]

Fun fact it’s canon that the spirits sing what their last thoughts where before they died so even when politius died he was still thinking about greeting the world with open arms (oh my gosh I didn’t except to get this many likes thanks guys)

[@mmmirei]

3:03 it’s because those electric guitar chords are Odysseus’s main motif, so it shows up EVERYWHERE, especially in act 1 (underworld saga is the final saga of act 1 btw) ALSO when Odysseus’s mom shows up, her motif is the same as his, but in major rather than minor and in piano

[@AxolotlQueen]

Actually its usually acoustic!! Its electric when hes the monster rawr rawr rawr

[@rebeccashaver8518]

I love how Mathew is always talking about the guitar. Because that's Ody's instrument, Jorge assigned him guitars as his musical symbol. Whether it's a nylon guitar or an electric guitar, it depicts the situation and mood.

[@aniflowers1998]

Let's be honest. If Polyties was still around, we wouldn't even BE in this situation, becouse no one would have opened that stupid bag!

[@akemic-i2o]

Yes, if Polites was alive he would probably keep an eye in the bag while Odysseus slpet

[@skyeperez8305]

For some heartbreak Anitclea (Ody’s mom, def didn’t spell her name right) not only died while Ody was away, in some versions she saw the storm that killed the 558 men of the crew and thinks it killed him & she immediately died of heartbreak.

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

You almost got her name right lol, it's Anticlea

[@finanightmare1993]

The storm killed 550 men though ;) The others were killed by Polyphemus and one fall drunk from Cice's rooftop haha

[@josefinagonzalezdamico4538]

Not Mathew reading mom and thinking Circe (legit tho)- also fun fact, Odysseus' mom is voiced by Jay's mom

[@AceLesbianTree]

So, the souls are talking/singing their last thoughts. The crew died thinking that Odysseus should've killed the cyclops, Polites died thinking about greeting the world with open arms, his mother, Anticlea, died waiting for het son too come home. And in some versions she threw herself into the sea when she saw the fleet of Odysseus being blown away by the storm.

[@valeriadelarosa4862]

Matthew: "Athena didn't die.... She's a god." God Games: Well....

[@dgrmn12345]

Athena didnt die in God Games either

[@valeriadelarosa4862]

@@dgrmn12345 Lol I know I was joking

[@icemagiciangh]

Now you know why we were all talking about his change. Things started _very differently._ The Underworld changed his entire perspective, and he, well, became a monster.

[@jordanNCM]

11:20 not almost 60. Almost 600. "558 men, who died under your command" also if you remember, Poseidon said there were "43 left under your command." There's been another death. One of his men, Elpenor, was celebrating after being returned to human form on Circes island. He got a little too drunk and decided to climb on top of the roof from which point he falls to his death. In some "There are other ways" animatics you can spot him on the roof.

[@dgrmn12345]

The guy loves hearing his own voice so much that he barely pays attention to the key details of the song

[@Robins_tea]

​@@dgrmn12345Hi😊 If you don't like these reactions, simply leave, no reason to be rude

[@DParkerNunya]

Yeah, The Underworld Saga might be the most emotionally devastating ending to an Act I've ever seen. From The Underworld hitting me too hard because of family stuff, No Longer You saying that Odysseus is going to have to change to something he'll hate, and then Monster being a declaration of how Odysseus is going to embrace that change. Its such a good saga, but holy shit does it hurt me.

[@Hyacinth-r2j]

Welcome to the Trauma saga. Your heart will never be the same after this.

[@AnnurZulaiza]

Ptsd saga up until vengeance saga my boy polites isnt resting 😢

[@thepsychicgaymer9888]

With how often he's stopping and talking about things and then completely missing other moments and important details. I think his heart will be fine.

[@angelrosedonofrio5325]

fun fact Eurylochus is actually Odysseus's brother-in-law. He was married to Ody's sister

[@tessatwitchingvods]

Crazy how Mathew just glazes past one of the favorite quotes from this musical “WHOOOO?” 😂

[@TitlingTree]

POV: I am a very angry owl

[@shadowwxlfgaming]

WHOOOO⁉️🦉

[@bumblebeetlebee5187]

owl noises were part of athena’s mentorship

[@shadowwxlfgaming]

@ REAL

[@krazykate6306]

Yeah Odysseus’s mom died while he was at war waiting for him. This is how he found out she died 😢

[@analivehorses]

Two things: The electric guitar theme you always hear at the start of every song is Odysseus motif, as told by Jay Herrans, the strum guitar is Odysseus being vulnerable and human, and the electric guitar is him being strategic. Natural instruments are related with human elements while electric instruments are related to supernatural elements. You're not wrong, Jay intentionally recorded agitated breaths at the speed of the rhythm in the song "The Underworld" to give a spookier effect to the music.

[@wintersong1235]

In the Odyssey they did go to the Underworld to find Tiresias, Odysseus did find out him mom was dead, that one of his men had died unbeknownst to them at Circe’s, but he also spoke to the shades of Greek heroes like Achilles and Heracles

[@awildmoonstar8225]

This saga may be only three songs, nut you know what they say guys. The size of the song don't matter 😌

[@raisasomaraki3870]

rather the size of the saga. the underworld saga might be the smallest and might not have as much action as the other sagas, but the emotional damage is far greater in each and every single of the 3 songs

[@Inari_sama35]

Him casually forgetting 500 man for 2/3 of the video 😂

[@judgmentprince5129]

“smiley squishy boy who’s name ai don’t know” keeps making me laugh like sure that works man

[@ApocalypticBee]

whats really cool going back to the prophet song after the later sagas cuz you can hear the quire in the background during the dramatic bit, singing the next big fights and parts of the sagas

[@ethanbuttazzi2602]

i relly love the phrophet song, cause its literally hidden retrospection on the first act, and a forshadowing of the second one.

[@OnerandomnerdofApollo]

I don't know Wether to laugh or be absolutely mortified at you calling Polites squishy boy.

[@yasminegoussous6259]

...well, pancakes?

[@OnerandomnerdofApollo]

@ omfg lol

[@powderhound_art456]

7:48 glad I’m not the only one who experienced this, during the reveal stream I kept taking my earbuds out because I swore I kept hearing someone calling me through the headphones, but it was just the breathing noises in the background

[@neivilde.1242]

my favourite about the prophet's song, is that the second time he sings the chorus, there are voices in the back foreshadowing what will happen to odysseus

[@thehexagon_yt]

15:55 the idea that Odysseus needs a Therapy saga is very popular in EPIC community, as far as I can tell.

[@Vex-om5jz]

No longer you is a double entendre you can take it as both means

[@emilyschomer6715]

12:19 That's how it works. There's two paths. Fields of Asphodel or Judgement. He's an amazing prophet so he gets rewarded rather than tortured

[@markgnann7439]

It's so much more traumatic, Matthew. Those are 558 men calling out to him, not 58. Not that the numbers matter but it makes the guilt heaver

[@serelylyhikari9771]

“Smiley squishy boy” has the same vibe as Jorge saying Pancakes every time the deaths in Survive get mentioned.

[@ItzTrafalgar_Law]

i find it funny whenever mathew ends up theorizing about what's happening in the songs cuz he doesn't remember the book 😃

[@MaddyKelly]

I don't know if someone already commented this but the creator of the musical, Jorge Rivera-Herrans, his mom actually sang for Odysseus' mom, just a fun little fact.

[@felixhenson9926]

60? you're off by HUNDREDS 😫

[@lillilake7259]

I think a lot would have been different if Polities survived. And I mean yeah not only did Eurylochus betray him by opening the bag but Perimedes and all the other guys decided to stab him, but then when trouble came they went and crawling back, so, while dislike the whole situation, Odysseus' position by that point was understandable.

[@LycanMOON]

3:30 Siren hades? Siren hades

[@maiish0]

Now we DEFINITELY need a Hadestown reaction 🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️

[@majaeng4090]

Yessss

[@Lyric_thecat]

Omg yes!

[@dricasakura]

Yeeeeeees

[@melaniecheshire6420]

Omg now I need an Animatic of Ody singing Look What You Made Me Do ❤😂

[@Mumei_silly]

May be the short but the songs are still bangers

[@theshamonk668]

8:30 off by about 500

[@FLIGHTL355]

Each saga shows a good representation of how Odysseus acts partly do to the influence around him. With Athena he was a warrior but still had his humanity. With Polites he was more open to being nice and showing mercy, not wanting to strike first. In Underworld he gives up the mercy and becomes the "Monster" in order to get home. In doing that he is literally becoming a different person just like the prophet said. In the next saga we see how different he is, specifically with the sirens and Scylla and finally with Zeus.

[@rebeccashaver8518]

What hits a bit harder is all the things he hears in the underworld is everyone's final thoughts right before and as they were dying. It's hits harder with that one line in theVengance Saga.

[@Dracon350]

my guy does not give these songs time to breathe, he is talking in between every line, god damn.

[@borostyanjaszkai4413]

In “no longer you” at the end the chorus says: siren song, Scylla’s throat (?), mutiny, lightning bolt, fight Poseidon, kill all the suitors for love and Odysseus. Just a fun fact

[@deansitorus9324]

16:26 HERMES??? also, I'm awaiting the Therapy saga as well.

[@PupGamer93]

If no one has told you yet. Each major character has an instrument assigned to them. Athena = Piano, Poseidon = Trumpets, etc. Odysseus' instrument is a guitar hence why you hear guitars anytime Odysseus is singing.

[@BreadlSH]

Ahhhhh I'm so excited for the thunder saga !!! And although the underworld saga is short, the songs are all bangers ! 👌

[@Durrps12100]

12:31 I know it's a little vague what the prophet means by this, but taking everything that happened before this and after this in mind, I'd like to think it's just a sort of impossibility for Tiresias' prophecy to help Odysseus as is get home. Odysseus 'becomes a monster' well in part due to the prophecy, and it helps him to get home later in the musical, but Odysseus has changed enough for him to be 'no longer you', as Tiresias says. On the other hand, if Odysseus didn't have that moment, he might have not been able to get home due to his philosophy during Zeus' little.. Thing. TLDR; I interpret the line "There is a world where I help you get home", "But that's not a world I know", being that the prophecy either changes Odysseus enough for it to no longer be him that gets home, or doesn't do such and results in him never getting home. ok this line of thought is out of my head buhbye

[@emilyschomer6715]

14:41 He is, and it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

[@kova_zero]

Not Mathew calling Polites "squishy boy" 😭😭😭😭 5:42

[@Mary_Studios]

Odysseus name dose mean most hated of the Gods. Which makes it funnier because when he goes back to Aeolis in the odyssey he says "what are you the most hated by the gods" or "what is your name Odysseus?"

[@jirehexodus6612]

20 seconds...?? Well that's a record for me

[@meowitsnani3165]

8:55 fun fact jorge got his real life mom to voice anticlea who is odys mom

[@boomgirlbucko]

Que the obligatory "the souls are singing their final thoughts before they died" comment

[@ktoon4725]

Underworld still gets me a bit teary eyed. Ahh it’s so good! 😭

[@ivyashfox4837]

i love "no longer you" because yes i is odesseus who makes it home alive but all that he faces has changed him so much he's not the same man that went out to war in the first place, he's forever haunted and i love the heck out of these dramatic vocals.

[@AMightyViciousOlogsFriend]

In some versions of The Odyssey, during the Ocean Saga, Odysseus' fleet was literally right over the horizon from Ithaca and his mother could see the ships approaching. Her death in these versions came fron heartache as she watches Poseidon pull the whole fleet away.

[@existentialchar]

the song didn't say 58 men, it said 558, you just happened to miss one of the digits also while yeah ody did end up sacrificing 6 of his men, then the rest of his crew, the song did explicity say "i'll become the monster for everyone but us", and "so we all don't die", so ody was trying to bring back home as many people as he could with him back also fun fact, if you do the maths, then poseidon said 43 men left under his command, he had 600 flat, and now 558 are dead, other people can fill in the elpenor and perimedes lore and as for eury opening the wind bag, as much hate as he got on that, there wouldn't have been any consequences with poseidon if ody didn't dox himself, which that also probably wouldnt have happened if athena didn't try to push ody to going the full way on methods to make sure a cyclops is no longer a threat (although still mostly ody's fault because of his pride)

[@rebeccashaver8518]

Ody's mom is voiced by Jorge's mom, it's so sweet. On another note, Ody's mom drowned herself because she thought Ody died/wasn't coming home.

[@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816]

If you haven't already seen it, I'd think checking out some songs from CATS would be fun. Not from the 2019 film though. The channel 'The Shows Must Go On!' posted really good preformence clips. Dance is a really big part of this musical so you can't really get the full experience if you just listen to the cast recordings. The songs I recommend are -The Old Gumbie Cat -The Rum Tum Tugger -Mungojerrie & Rumpleteazer -Skimbleshanks: The Railway Cat -Mr. Mistoffelees -Memory

[@colt1903]

Hades, looking outside his palace and seeing Ody having a breakdown in song: Oh God damn it, I thought I was done with this shit after Orpheus.

[@MarTheWorstGaymer]

YESSS, BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!! Monster is easily my favorite song in Epic :D

[@evelyntwilight9985]

God damn I thought I wouldn't tear up at the moms section! Ahhh! Too sweet!

[@emilyschomer6715]

23:41 She took Polites's headband from him

[@thumper15bambi]

So fun fact, Jorge who does Ody's voice (and wrote everything lol) had his own mom do Ody's mom's voice. Also His mom saw their boats starting to approach and saw the storm take him away. I believe lore is she threw herself into the water trying to get to her. Also if you turn on the subtitles or look up the lyrics for the prophecy part you'll find some hidden moments/clues for the next sagas

[@clnne]

ahhhh your predictions and analysis are so spot on i love it

[@Star.34341]

"This is everyones favourite" not mine being the circe saga😅

[@ryomahoshi4529]

Circe and Hermes voices carried this saga and made it my favorite as well,close second is the vengeance saga because of well,everything going in it

[@rosethorne8348]

Matthew: Mum? Is that where we see Circe again? Mum?? Me: :D Incorrect! *Try again.*

[@britneypeyton6291]

So the reason you hear like that tune in the beginning of most of the songs is that Jorge wrote it to where each character has their own little instrument and that's just odysseus's instrument when he's singing so you hear it a lot in the beginnings of songs

[@chaospuppy6730]

Odysseus' mother threw herself into the ocean after she watched them be blown away in "keep your friends close" they were SO CLOSE to home. Also the spirits of the underworld are repeating their last thoughts when they died. So even more heartbreaking when thinking about how his crew blames him for their death and Polites was still full of faith and hope even when everything was going wrong.

[@chaospuppy6730]

also everyone who died without a proper burial are left to wander the Styx for 100 years before they can move on to the next stage of their afterlife.

[@yasminegoussous6259]

How has no one said "I'm the monster raw raw raw" Yet???

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

I'm thinking that "I'm the only one whose line I haven't crossed," has to do both with the antagonists thus far (the cyclops, briefly circe) who he kind of wronged, at least initially. There is of course also the matter of him kind of squashing the crew's various doubts and inputs on the situation, both in Full Speed Ahead and Luck Runs Out./

[@olivelovesyou]

23:57 “it’s giving taylor swift look what you made me do” in all honesty, monster is just odysseus making a remix of that song 💀

[@meganweinand9912]

What makes the song underworld even more heart wrenching is when you realize that according to Epic lore the ghosts are singing their final thoughts before they died

[@Vekcrazah]

AYE THE VENGEANCE SAGA, imho the best saga among them all.. I daresay any song from later sagas that borrows from the motifs from this saga is automatically made S tier

[@emilyschomer6715]

24:55 42 lives, and it's lives of men who betrayed him and committed crimes against the gods after he begged tgem not to

[@kaylalewis2434]

Hes becoming the monster still for the benefit of his crew ofc hes thinking of his family but hes thinking of theirs too. But they screwed up so he said f*ck you, i would at least im projecting lol

[@mythicalgirl2005]

So proud of Mathew for finally being able to remember Eurylochus’ name!

[@mandygibson5601]

Not sure if anyone else commented this, but to rub salt in the wound..... All the lyrics that the souls sing in The Underworld is the last thought they had before they died. Which means that as Polities was dying from being crushed by the cyclops's club he was thinking "greet the world with open arms" and the crew's last thoughts were to cry out for their captain and wish he'd killed the cyclops

[@emilyschomer6715]

5:51 No, it's not he's more heartbreaking later

[@thatrandomdude_404]

*WARNING; PROB SPOILERS* Wait until he hears the “Aphrodite” part in God Games

[@KimaniGomme]

That final song is the best sing in the series my opinion anyways

[@spiderq848]

Idk if this makes things happier or sadder but in the Odyssey, Odysseus gets to speak with the ghosts more than it shows in this song. Yes his mother is there in the original as well but he's able to have a conversation with her. Though it does also lead to a moment where he tries to hug her but can't and she has to explain to him that dead people don't have physical forms and thus can't touch the living. (Bonus fact: A similar scene happens in the Iliad between Achilles and the ghost of Patroclus)

[@hopefulriri]

21:35 "Athena didn't die, she is a goddess" SO!

[@Anniebanannie-z7h]

There was actually 558 men not 58 so almost 600 actually

[@agent941]

if you can’t remember polites name, here is a halpfull one, he is so polite, it has to be plural. and if u still cant… pleace just call him sunshine boi disney princess like the rest of us

[@Anniebanannie-z7h]

Also every little prophecy thing in no longer you is double meaning from something in act 1 and act 2 and the no longer you is referring to him turning into the monster so you were correct about that

[@ntombincube1360]

fun fact Jorge's (Creator of Epic and voice for Ody) mother plays Ody's mother

[@arianna-qb9rd]

F-ed up fact: in the Odyssey, before the crew opens the bag, the fleet is within sight of Ithaca and Ody’s mom sees them from a cliff top overlooking the sea. Then they get blown back by the winds released from the bag and in despair thinking that her son and his entire crew must be dead she flings herself from the cliff so she can see him again in the underworld. So yeah Ody 100% feels mad guilty about his mom’s death 😃😭

[@ethanbuttazzi2602]

ithaca saga is the last one, we'll either have it by christmas or january, if they are following the schedule.

[@doublezeronine8355]

Him calling Polites “Happy boy” is so funny

[@eduardapierin1334]

The Underworld Saga is pretty much Ody's Reputation era

[@ericsanford536]

The prophet isn't stuck in the river of souls because he had proper burial rites performed. The men under Odysseus didn't so they will never rest properly.

[@thecrazysisters_channel]

him being like: "look at me getting names right!" also him mixing up the sagas